Is there a scenario in which Trump DOESN'T go to jail?

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  • March 2, 2019 at 2:43 am #98428
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I’ve been resisting the assumption Trump will ever answer for anything since he was elected.

    But…golly. He has committed multiple crimes. Does anybody think that there is actually Reasonable Doubt about that? I don’t.

    And while I doubt he gets touched up on stuff like ordering Cohen and others to lie (Cohen said he communicated what he wanted without actually SAYING it, and that is probably enough for a rich and powerful man to get away with that), but…

    I don’t see how he can feasibly escape obstruction of justice and campaign finance violations, and very probably tax fraud if what Cohen said is true. And misuse of his charity (which is probably under tax fraud).

    I really don’t see how he escapes all of it. SDNY is completely armed should he get pardoned out of federal stuff.

    There has been speculation that a president can’t be indicted, though the law doesn’t SAY that, and the issue has never been tested. But the way I see it, that’s not Mueller’s problem. His job is investigation and indictments, not convicting Trump. That isn’t his mandate. So why not just drop all the indictments in one fell swoop while turning in the report?

    I don’t think the Supreme Court could save him. Could it? Especially if Mueller did it while they were in recess. Whether federal indictments actually stick or not, they could not keep him in office. And state charges would be waiting for him.

    I mean…I don’t want to get ahead of myself, and I don’t want to be victim of wishful thinking, but one thing just keeps coming back to me: the dude IS guilty of multiple crimes. And so are his kids.

    How can he escape this?

    March 2, 2019 at 9:49 am #98429
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    Zooey wrote:

    I really don’t see how he escapes all of it.

    March 2, 2019 at 11:04 am #98438
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    What planet are you on, Z ? 🙂 Have you seen the reaction to all that stuff, by the rightwingers?

    12 people on a jury. Gotta figure plenty of them would be rightwingers.

    He aint goin to jail. He aint even gonna be put on trial. The system would worry too much about “tearing the country apart” etc, etc. The system will probly just hope he doesnt get re-elected. Let him ride off into the sunset. (and no he wont try to hold onto power)

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    March 2, 2019 at 5:56 pm #98449
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    That’s what I was saying a week ago, too.

    But – I know times have changed – but Nixon committed fewer crimes than Trump. This guy is filthy on every front. And it’s in a fishbowl. And the problem for the System is that Not Doing Anything will also tear the thing apart. I think the only path to stability is going to see Trump pay a price.

    As hard as it is to imagine a president going to trial…I just cannot see an alternative at this point except something that openly terminates the illusion of democracy. And I think the illusion of democracy is too valuable to the powers that be, and has too many people committed to the System.

    March 3, 2019 at 6:51 pm #98490
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    Zooey wrote:

    That’s what I was saying a week ago, too.

    But – I know times have changed – but Nixon committed fewer crimes than Trump. This guy is filthy on every front. And it’s in a fishbowl. And the problem for the System is that Not Doing Anything will also tear the thing apart. I think the only path to stability is going to see Trump pay a price.

    As hard as it is to imagine a president going to trial…I just cannot see an alternative at this point except something that openly terminates the illusion of democracy. And I think the illusion of democracy is too valuable to the powers that be, and has too many people committed to the System.

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    Ok, well, you are dead wrong 🙂

    You still have some scintilla of faith in the institutions in this shit-hole. Things are much worse than in the Nixon days. Nixon was a fluke, anyway. Without all those tapes, he would have strolled into the sunset.

    Some big parts of the deep-state dont like trump. But they’ll be patient. They’ll make sure the dems win the next election. And then we’ll get back to the slower version of biosphere destruction, mega-lies, and surreal-inequality. Go Dems 🙂

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