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    waterfield
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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-griswold-globalization-and-trade-help-manufacturing-20160801-snap-story.html

    The author is a senior fellow in George Mason University School of economics which is credited with two Nobel Prizes in Economic Sciences.

    In the author’s opinion the loss of manufacturing jobs is by far more to do with technology than foreign trade.

    #49913
    bnw
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    Then that technology must be the super container ships that allow so much product from slave wage labor countries to be shipped into this country tariff free.

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    #50000
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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-griswold-globalization-and-trade-help-manufacturing-20160801-snap-story.html

    The author is a senior fellow in George Mason University School of economics which is credited with two Nobel Prizes in Economic Sciences.

    In the author’s opinion the loss of manufacturing jobs is by far more to do with technology than foreign trade.

    Waterfield,

    George Mason’s Mercatus Center is a well-known right-libertarian “free market” center, funded by the Koch brothers. I wouldn’t trust a thing that comes from that propaganda front, I mean, “college,” which is really just a vehicle for the spread of properatarian lies and disinformation. The author also worked for 14 years at CATO, another Koch brother propaganda “think tank.”

    Kinda surprised you’re posting articles by true believin’, Ayn Rand-lovin’ right-wingers.

    #50004
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    Well, i would ‘guess’ technology is certainly a ‘part’ of the reason
    jobs are often lost. And some thinkers seem to be saying when the robot-revolution really gets going a TON of jobs are gonna be lost.

    It will be one of the great issues of our time, i would think.

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    #50012
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Well, i would ‘guess’ technology is certainly a ‘part’ of the reason
    jobs are often lost. And some thinkers seem to be saying when the robot-revolution really gets going a TON of jobs are gonna be lost.

    It will be one of the great issues of our time, i would think.

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    v

    Yes, it’s a part of the reason. But why is it being instituted in the way it is? Because capitalism, unlike any previous economic system, is dependent upon endlessly “innovating” to increase profits. And by innovating, I don’t mean creating new technologies — ironically. Innovation in the sense that capitalists must forever find new ways to squeeze out more profits from a system that also naturally drives them down. Profits naturally go down as firms compete for customers, because this generally means competing on prices.

    With mass industrialization, competing on “quality” mostly went out the window, except for niche-markets and wealthy clientele in general. So they have to (in general) price goods more cheaply, which means they have to continuously reduce their own costs, which means lowering labor and production costs, etc. etc. One of the best way to do that, of course, is automation. It’s even cheaper than shipping jobs overseas, though ideal is to do both. Ship automation and the fewer and fewer jobs required to manage that automation overseas, where there is even less resistance to capitalist exploitation than we have here — and we have next to none.

    The true genius involved in this is to package “technology” as something great for all of us, when, in reality, it means slashing total jobs by ever greater portions, with the likelihood that someday, 99% of work will be automated. The twin catastrophes of Climate Change and the Robot Apocalypse — which is much worse than the Zombie one, actually — I’m not so sure humanity survives that.

    #50248
    waterfield
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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-griswold-globalization-and-trade-help-manufacturing-20160801-snap-story.html

    The author is a senior fellow in George Mason University School of economics which is credited with two Nobel Prizes in Economic Sciences.

    In the author’s opinion the loss of manufacturing jobs is by far more to do with technology than foreign trade

    George Mason’s Mercatus Center is a well-known right-libertarian “free market” center, funded by the Koch brothers. I wouldn’t trust a thing that comes from that propaganda front, I mean, “college,” which is really just a vehicle for the spread of properatarian lies and disinformation. The author also worked for 14 years at CATO, another Koch brother propaganda “think tank.”

    Kinda surprised you’re posting articles by true believin’, Ayn Rand-lovin’ right-wingers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mason_University

    And just how would you stop the technology march Billy?

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 4 months ago by waterfield.
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    Well, i would ‘guess’ technology is certainly a ‘part’ of the reason
    jobs are often lost. And some thinkers seem to be saying when the robot-revolution really gets going a TON of jobs are gonna be lost.

    It will be one of the great issues of our time, i would think.

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    v

    This reminds me of those old black and white newsreels where they show an assembly line humming along and the narrator says “automation will free up man to do more important things”. But those other, more important occupations don’t exist. Not on a scale necessary to make up for all the jobs that were lost to automation anyway. That idea only works where you have a small population. It doesn’t work on a planet with 7 billion people and counting. What it does is raise corporate profits by eliminating waste (ie employees).

    #50265
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    W,

    And just how would you stop the technology march Billy?

    It’s not about stopping the technology march. It’s about stopping economic apartheid (capitalism), so we can make technology work for us instead of billionaires. It’s about rethinking and repurposing economics itself. For too long we’ve accepted the idea that the vast majority of all the profits and compensation should go to a tiny percentage of the population, even though they do just a tiny percentage of the work. For too long, people have been okay with the idea that one person in sixteen — roughly the ratio of employers to employees in America — should get to call all the shots, set all the prices, wages, compensation and working conditions, while that huge majority gets no say.

    It’s long past time, in short, that we make the economy work for us, and that we stop working for the economy. And I don’t mean that as a nice slogan. I mean it literally. That it’s literally insane that such a ginormous majority of human beings is at the mercy of such a tiny percentage of human beings, and that this is THE biggest reason for the massive gap/inequality in income, opportunity, access, power, quality of life and life expectancy itself.

    Well short of the above general revolutionary frame, there are all kinds of things we can do in the meantime. Reforms and tweaks, new laws and caps, new regs and rules. But the goal should be nothing short of ending the dominance of the few over the many — and, again, I mean that literally.

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    #50267
    waterfield
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    But are we really destined to lose “tons” of jobs due to technology ? Didn’t we just add 255,000 jobs this last month ? Maybe its the “type” of jobs that are being reduced-and if so isn’t that normal as the country moves into a more advanced technological arena. And even if in fact we were losing “tons” of jobs due to automation what could be done about that. Prohibit manufacturing companies from using advanced technology ? One answer in my opinion would be to take measures that will accept the fact that there will be scores of people simply not working. But I doubt we are there yet and the labor statistics point out.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/05/news/economy/us-economy-july-jobs-report/

    #50268
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    W,

    Will toss around some ideas for those reforms, etc. etc. this weekend.

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