informal poll…was the winning TD in Tenn. a 4th quarter comeback?

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December 29, 2017 at 3:49 pm #79730

zn
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I argue that it isn’t. That early in the 4th, it’s taking the lead, not a comeback. So yes it is a lead-changing drive early in the 4th that included a great clutch throw and a great clutch TD catch. On 3rd and 6 no less. Everyone deserves their praise for that one.

Comebacks though are at least halfway through the quarter, because they include tight time constraints. You have to drive and score knowing you likely will not get the ball again…or at least you can’t count on getting it back. It’s now or never.

After the Rams went up by 4 on that drive at about 3 minutes into the quarter, Titans got the ball 3 more times and the Rams got it 2 more times. So they took the lead early in the 4th on that play and held it through the quarter. But it;s not really a comeback. They had 5 more series in the game after that. To me that’s just not crunch time.

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December 29, 2017 at 4:25 pm #79734

PA Ram
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I kind of agree with you.

I mean–technically it’s a comeback but not in the sense that you think about when it comes to last minute final drives for the win.

So–yes it is a comeback. But not a classic “4th quarter comeback” which is what you mean, I believe.

But I’m fine if they don’t have to have any of those comebacks.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

December 29, 2017 at 4:32 pm #79735

zn
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PA Ram wrote:

I mean–technically it’s a comeback but not in the sense that you think about when it comes to last minute final drives for the win.

Yeah. The Titans had the ball on 3 separate series after the Rams offense took the lead early in the 4th. Looking at it that way, IMO, really it’s the defense that won that game.

December 29, 2017 at 9:40 pm #79745

canadaram
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Clutch drive, but not what I’d call a comeback either.

December 29, 2017 at 11:17 pm #79746

joemad
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The Rams were trailing 23 to 20 in the fourth quarter on the road against a team that was fighting for their playoff lives.

The Rams drove 70 yards for a go ahead touchdown, knowing that they had a kicker that missed an extra point and FG in the game…. a kicker who has never made an NFL FG… the Rams had to score a TD

On 3rd and 6 the throw was delivered to take the lead

Later in the Qtr the rams killed 4 mins with a 9 play drive.

I say give it to Goff.

December 29, 2017 at 11:43 pm #79748

zn
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joemad wrote:

I say give it to Goff.

I know what you mean. And absolutely I give Goff (and Kupp) a clutch play. In a big game. On the road. On 3rd and 6. It counts for a lot.

But with 12 minutes to go on the clock and a total of 5 offensive series remaining in the game, 3 for the Titans and 2 for the Rams, for me, the TD at 3 minutes into the quarter just doesn’t seem like a “comeback.”

To me it’s more like the Titans failed to mount their own comeback in those remaining 12 (game) minutes.

But this is an informal poll and we just have different votes.

Which means I should shut up now.

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December 30, 2017 at 12:02 am #79749

joemad
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To me it’s more like the Titans failed to mount their own comeback in those remaining 12 (game) minutes.

Correct, but if Goff doesn’t score with 11:48 remaining we’d be saying the samething about Goff failing to mount a comeback in the 4th

I get it, there was a lot of time left. But he did it in adverse conditions on the road in pretty big game for teams.

Would it count more as a comeback if he did it this week at home vs SF in the closing minutes of a meaningless game?

December 30, 2017 at 12:13 am #79750

Herzog
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I say yes

December 30, 2017 at 1:08 am #79751

zn
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joemad wrote:

Would it count more as a comeback if he did it this week at home vs SF in the closing minutes of a meaningless game?

Well it’s not a matter of “counting.”

The TD to Kupp, as I said, means something. It means a lot. It is just not a comeback in my view.

In terms of something being a comeback, if he did it at home in the closing minutes against SF it would meet my definition of a comeback.

And that’s all. It would meet my definition of a comeback. That doesn’t mean it “counts” more (or less)…it’s just that it would be a comeback.

And, even in meaningless games, it’s good to know your qb has those in him.

He can then have more of them in the playoffs if he wants.

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December 30, 2017 at 1:37 am #79752

Eternal Ramnation
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I think of coming back as being down by at least 2 scores. That play was clutch though and that’s more important to me.

December 30, 2017 at 10:36 am #79761

Hram
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It’s not the exciting last drive of the game comeback, but to me it is still a comeback in the 4th quarter.

We are going to miss Zurlein in the playoffs. Playoffs? pLAYOFFS!!!

December 30, 2017 at 12:08 pm #79763

zn
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Well fwiw, PRF counts comebacks as taking the lead at any point in the 4th quarter, so they give him one.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GoffJa00

December 30, 2017 at 12:54 pm #79767

Zooey
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I would call a 4th quarter comeback a come-from-behind victory orchestrated under the pressure of “you have to score on this drive, or you’re most likely going to lose the game.” Or “by failing to score at this point, you are putting immense pressure on the defense to get a 3-and-out or a turnover in order to have a shot.”

That kind of thing. There has to be urgency. The game plan has to be altered – either more aggressive, or run at a faster pace with an eye on clock management.

I don’t think one could make a dictionary definition of it, but those are the kinds of elements I consider to be the qualities of a 4th quarter comeback.

December 30, 2017 at 12:58 pm #79768

nittany ram
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Kurt Warner only had 9 comeback wins for his career. One less than the great Mark Sanchez.

Tom Brady leads all active QBs with 41 comebacks.

Surprisingly, Aaron Rodgers only has 12.

December 30, 2017 at 1:07 pm #79772

PA Ram
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nittany ram wrote:

Kurt Warner only had 9 comeback wins for his career. One less than the great Mark Sanchez.

Tom Brady leads all active QBs with 41 comebacks.

Surprisingly, Aaron Rodgers only has 12.

Where do you get all of this made-up information, anyway?

At the NFL Made-Up Information Store?

You Seahawks fans are all alike: besmirch the greatness that is Kurt Warner by hinting he is less than Mr. Buttfumble, Mark Sanchez.

Your word voodoo won’t work here Mr. 12th Man!!!!

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

December 30, 2017 at 1:24 pm #79775

zn
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nittany ram wrote:

Kurt Warner only had 9 comeback wins for his career. One less than the great Mark Sanchez.

Tom Brady leads all active QBs with 41 comebacks.

Surprisingly, Aaron Rodgers only has 12.

The problem with that stat is that it doesn’t do you much good…what you really need is percentages. How many times was a team in that situation, how many times did they win in that situation, so what’s the percentage.

I have read articles before on percentages in 4th quarter comebacks, but scattered articles written at different times are not like a site that keeps regular stats. Anyway what I got from the articles is that teams are doing well if they win 40%-50% of the time when they’re in that situation.

I would also make it a team stat since defenses often really determine the outcome. For example think of Warner in the ARZ/PITT superbowl. He did his job as a comeback qb, and then the defense couldn’t seal it.

PA Ram wrote:

Where do you get all of this made-up information, anyway?

It’s this site. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/

You search for any qb and then will see this…and you hit “more” :

Hitting “more” gives you a menu where you can choose “comebacks and game-winning drives”:

And when you hit that you get this:

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December 30, 2017 at 3:35 pm #79782

PA Ram
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zn wrote:

It’s this site. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/

You search for any qb and then will see this…and you hit “more” :

Bah! It’s all a bunch of numbers and facts.

I have no use for such things anymore.

I trust my gut.

Warner was the best ever.

There is no way to convince me otherwise.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

December 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm #79784

InvaderRam
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i’m going by strict definition. it was in the fourth quarter, and it was a come from behind touchdown to win the game.

now not all fourth quarter comebacks are created equal.

they vary in degrees of clutchness and drama. so no. this would not qualify near the greatest fourth quarter comebacks of all time.

but they needed more than a field goal to win the game, and goff got them the touchdown they needed. and yes. they were gifted a significant chunk of that yardage from a penalty i believe.

hopefully, this is the first of many. and hopefully. the other ones are even more dramatic.

actually. now that i think about it. i hope the rams just obliterate every opponent they face from here on out. drama is overrated anyway.
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