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November 9, 2016 at 12:19 am #57215MackeyserModerator
We can despair or take this opportunity to eschew the corporatist DLC/DNC and really push actual progressive action once the Trump crap hits the fan.
Edit: wow… Looks like Trump will win PA and WI short of a miracle and that puts him over the top.
Freak…
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Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
November 9, 2016 at 12:21 am #57216znModeratorHey, why’d this thread get merged???
It wasn’t merged!
Unless that’s a joke I don’t get, which is possible.
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November 9, 2016 at 12:40 am #57219PA RamParticipantWe can despair or take this opportunity to eschew the corporatist DLC/DNC and really push actual progressive action once the Trump crap hits the fan.
Edit: wow… Looks like Trump will win PA and WI short of a miracle and that puts him over the top.
Freak…
The problem is that the damage he will do in four years–the Supreme Court, the Senate, the House—-how long will it take for some progressive agenda to fix that? Trump has played the populist card. When everyone sees what he is will they want to run back to that establishment?
I don’t know, Mac. It’s pretty bad.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 9, 2016 at 1:01 am #57220MackeyserModeratorOh I imagine the damage will be substantial. Worse than under Clinton. Thing is that there won’t be a ton of STFU from the Dems for Progressives to not upset the corporate apple cart.
Progressives will have a chance to get on the vanguard and lead.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
November 9, 2016 at 1:22 am #57222ZooeyModeratorOh I imagine the damage will be substantial. Worse than under Clinton. Thing is that there won’t be a ton of STFU from the Dems for Progressives to not upset the corporate apple cart.
Progressives will have a chance to get on the vanguard and lead.
That was what progressives were saying in December.
I mean…the good news is the Clinton machine is dead.
The bad news is that four years from now, any big progressive kickback will be too little, too late.
We are dead.
And four years from now when everything is substantially worse than it is right now, the Trump supporters will blame democrats. Not the lunatic in the White House.
November 9, 2016 at 3:32 am #57223MackeyserModeratorPresident Trump. I genuinely laughed out loud at the absurdity of it. Idiocracy is here and President Camacho has a blonde cotton candy hairdo.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
November 9, 2016 at 4:40 am #57224InvaderRamModeratoramericuh said you can either.
slit your throats.
or die a slow painful death.
americuns said we’ll slit our throats from ear to ear.
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November 9, 2016 at 6:23 am #57227wvParticipantI heard on NPR that Trump is considering John Bolton for secretary of state or some big cabinet post. John…Bolton.
Ignorant times, ahead, people. Anti-science times. Climate change denial. Evangelical-wacko Federal Judge appointments. Lower taxes for the rich, higher for the poor. Environmental regulations gutted. More pollution. More fracking. More coal. More mountaintop removal. More toxic waste.
So what are the silver-linings? Clinton era finally over. Thank-god.
MAYBE the DNC corrupt party hacks lose some power. MAYBE the Dems look in the mirror, move to the left, and start grooming Eliz Warren or someone for the next election.
What else?w
vNovember 9, 2016 at 6:57 am #57230nittany ramModeratorAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
November 9, 2016 at 7:23 am #57232wvParticipant—————————–
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htmWhen you love America, you protect it with no apologies. (Dec 2011)
Tax cuts for the wealthy, who will create tremendous jobs. (Sep 2016)
ObamaCare will never work; repeal it and replace it. (Oct 2016)
• EPA is killing energy companies; 1,000 years of clean coal. (Oct 2016)
• Focus on disease & clean water, not “climate change”. (Oct 2016)
• America invested in solar panels and it was a disaster. (Sep 2016)
• Green energy is just an expensive feel-good for tree-huggers. (Nov 2015)
• We have 2 trillion barrels of oil; enough for 283 years. (Nov 2015)
• Offered to oversee response to 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill. (Sep 2015)
• Wind energy projects are industrial monstrosities. (Sep 2015)
• Windmills are destroying shorelines all over the world. (Aug 2015)
• Solar hasn’t caught on because it has a 32-year payback. (Aug 2015)
• Maybe some climate change is manmade, but not all. (Jun 2015)
• Climate change is a hoax. (Jun 2015)
• No Cap-and-Tax: oil is this country’s lifeblood. (Dec 2011)
• Jobs will slump until our lifeblood–oil–is cheap again. (Dec 2011)
• Enough natural gas in Marcellus Shale for 110 year supply. (Dec 2011)
• It’s incredible how slowly we’re drilling for oil. (Mar 2011)
• We need nuclear energy, and we need a lot of it fast. (Mar 2011)
• Oil is the lifeblood of all economies. (Apr 2010)
• Green buildings take 40 years to get investment back. (Sep 2008)
• Regulations by unelected officials reward special interests. (Oct 2016)
• Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
• Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
Overturn Roe v, Wade and return abortion laws to the states. (Oct 2016)
• Hold judges accountable; don’t reduce sentences. (Jul 2000)
• For tough anti-crime policies; not criminals’ rights.November 9, 2016 at 9:01 am #57236Billy_TParticipantAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
I agree with all the above, and WV’s comments. Yep. The only silver lining is the end of the Clinton dynasty.
But the know-nothings are now in charge of all three branches of government, and you can bet they’re going stack the courts all across the country as well as SCOTUS.
If I had the money to do so, I’d leave right now in a heartbeat for Europe. I’m still hoping to retire there in a few years.
November 9, 2016 at 9:50 am #57240nittany ramModeratorAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
I agree with all the above, and WV’s comments. Yep. The only silver lining is the end of the Clinton dynasty.
But the know-nothings are now in charge of all three branches of government, and you can bet they’re going stack the courts all across the country as well as SCOTUS.
If I had the money to do so, I’d leave right now in a heartbeat for Europe. I’m still hoping to retire there in a few years.
We’ve now entered what may be known as the anti-intellectualism era of American history.
If there was a god I’d be praying for it to save us at this point.
November 9, 2016 at 10:02 am #57242wvParticipantI am very interested in what happens to the DNC. I mean, zooey is right about us being ‘Dead’ — ….unless…..real…actual…awakening and change take place in the Dem Party.
I dont expect real change. The powers-that-be are very good at deflecting blame, etc.
But it bears watching. Will the Dems wake up?
Carry on, people. Dark day. But it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNovember 9, 2016 at 10:40 am #57243ZooeyModeratorAnd the great irony is that Trump’s supporters – who are hoping to have the damage caused by globalization reversed – have just elected a man who will appoint SCOTUS justices who will cement Citizen’s United and make permanent corporate control of economic and environmental policy, and increase the wealth disparity they think they just voted to repair. They just signed their own economic death warrant.
Mike Pence is the vice-president. Mike Pence.
We could have had President Sanders right now, but the DNC strangled democracy to death to force the most unpopular candidate it could find on America.
November 9, 2016 at 10:42 am #57244ZooeyModeratorhttp://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-consequences-trumps-victory-are-coming-focus
The consequences of Trump’s victory are coming into focus
11/09/16 09:09 AM
By Steve Benen
David Axelrod, the former senior strategist for President Obama, has long espoused an interesting theory about national elections. As Axelrod explained in January, “Open-seat presidential elections are shaped by perceptions of the style and personality of the outgoing incumbent. Voters rarely seek the replica of what they have.”By Axelrod’s reasoning, it’s expected that voters will choose a new president who is roughly the opposite of the departing executive – an assertion that looks quite sound this morning.
Some of this will be obvious immediately, because the shifts in presidential style will be jarring. President Obama is measured; Donald Trump is erratic. Obama is intellectual; Trump is incurious. Obama is honest; Trump is pathological. Obama is serious and committed to sound policymaking; Trump is clownish and dismissive of the details of public affairs.
But come next year, the stylistic differences will be an inconsequential afterthought by the time a Trump/Pence administration begins governing alongside a far-right, radicalized Republican majority in the House and Senate. The New Republic’s Brian Beutler had a good piece on this overnight:
At a minimum, Republicans are going to do incredible violence to President Barack Obama’s accomplishments…. Trump will almost certainly abrogate Obama’s international climate agreement and the global powers agreement preventing Iran from creating their own nuclear arsenal. Republicans will send Trump legislation undermining Obama’s legacy everywhere they can find congressional majorities to do so, and Trump will sign those bills. Republicans don’t know how to repeal Obamacare, let alone replace it. But they will try.The Supreme Court will return to conservative control, and over the next four years, it may very well become far more conservative. Voting rights will be further weakened; the constitutional right to abortion is vulnerable to abolition.
But things could get much, much worse.
There’s a temptation among some to try to look for comfort where available. We collectively hit an iceberg, but maybe we can cling to some floating debris for a while until help arrives. Americans are resilient, and we’ve been through rough times before.I’d like to offer some kind of assurances along these lines, but I can’t do so with any honesty.
Millions of families are going to lose their health benefits. Efforts to combat the climate crisis will end and move backwards. The tax system will become radically more regressive. Wall Street will be freed from safeguards and recently created layers of accountability, and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau will be decimated.
Immigrants who consider the United States the only home they’ve ever known will be forced from the country. Minority communities will experience less justice and fewer voting rights. Higher education will be further out of reach for many young people.
The United States will lose the world’s respect. The Supreme Court will move even further to the right, and the clock on reproductive rights will be turned back a half-century.
This is really just a sampling. At no point in modern American history have we seen a political party as radicalized as the contemporary Republican Party, and as a result of the decisions voters made this year, that GOP will dominate federal policymaking for the next several years – making changes that will affect the nation and the world for generations.
And if we look beyond legislative measures, we also see the worst major-party presidential candidate in history who will have access to nuclear codes.
Yes, there are some political structures and institutions in place that may offer us some semblance of protection, but Trump has made no secret of his hostility towards democratic norms, his indifference towards traditions, and his affinity for authoritarian ideals.
I’m looking for a silver lining. I don’t see one.
November 9, 2016 at 10:53 am #57246znModeratorBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNo, I’m sorry. But this is worse. Like, far worse. In fact I expect that soon enough I won’t even have to say that anymore.
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Yes, there are some political structures and institutions in place that may offer us some semblance of protection, but Trump has made no secret of his hostility towards democratic norms, his indifference towards traditions, and his affinity for authoritarian ideals.
I’m looking for a silver lining. I don’t see one.
November 9, 2016 at 11:06 am #57247wvParticipantBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNo, I’m sorry. But this is worse. Like, far worse. In fact I expect that soon enough I won’t even have to say that anymore.
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Well i know your view on that. I was expecting you to respond to that line of mine, with exactly what you did 🙂
You may be right.
But it may be more complicated than that. Depends on what the RESPONSE is to the Trump nightmare. So for me, only time will tell.
Having said that, yes, its a nightmare. The federal judge appointments and the S.Ct appointments ALONE will cause untold suffering. A climate-change-denier in office. An environmental-terrorist in office. Yes, dark day.
w
vNovember 9, 2016 at 11:08 am #57248ZooeyModeratorBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNo, I’m sorry. But this is worse. Like, far worse. In fact I expect that soon enough I won’t even have to say that anymore.
…
Yep.
It would have been depressing to watch the Clintons gloat, and round up all the usual bankers to continue their incorporation of the planet, but…John Bolton. Good lord.
It is hard to think of this as anything less than apocalyptic. This is the end. Our “way of life” is now over. We are headed towards feudalism.
November 9, 2016 at 11:15 am #57249wvParticipantBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNo, I’m sorry. But this is worse. Like, far worse. In fact I expect that soon enough I won’t even have to say that anymore.
…
Yep.
It would have been depressing to watch the Clintons gloat, and round up all the usual bankers to continue their incorporation of the planet, but…John Bolton. Good lord.
It is hard to think of this as anything less than apocalyptic. This is the end. Our “way of life” is now over. We are headed towards feudalism.
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…unless….the Left wakes up, organizes, gains power, and elects
a true progressive four years from now.Granted a lot of damage will have taken place. I get that. Believe me. Dark dark day.
w
vNovember 9, 2016 at 11:36 am #57250wvParticipantsome euro pean reaction
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Link:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1341K4By Noah Barkin | BERLIN
Back in May, when Donald’s Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election seemed the remotest of possibilities, a senior European official took to Twitter before a G7 summit in Tokyo to warn of a “horror scenario”.
Imagine, mused the official, if instead of Barack Obama, Francois Hollande, David Cameron and Matteo Renzi, next year’s meeting of the club of rich nations included Trump, Marine Le Pen, Boris Johnson and Beppe Grillo.
A month after Martin Selmayr, the head of European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker’s cabinet made the comment, Britain shocked the world by voting to leave the European Union. Cameron stepped down as prime minister and Johnson – the former London mayor who helped swing Britons behind Brexit – became foreign minister.
Now, with Trump’s triumph over his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, the populist tsunami that seemed outlandish a few months ago is becoming reality, and the consequences for Europe’s own political landscape are potentially huge.
In 2017, voters in the Netherlands, France and Germany – and possibly in Italy and Britain too – will vote in elections that could be coloured by the triumphs of Trump and Brexit, and the toxic politics that drove those campaigns.
The lessons will not be lost on continental Europe’s populist parties, who hailed Trump’s victory on Wednesday as a body blow for the political mainstream.
“Politics will never be the same,” said Geert Wilders of the far-right Dutch Freedom Party. “What happened in America can happen in Europe and the Netherlands as well.”
French National Front founder Jean-Marie Le Pen was similarly ebullient. “Today the United States, tomorrow France,” Le Pen, the father of the party’s leader Marine Le Pen, tweeted.
Daniela Schwarzer, director of research at the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP), said Trump’s bare-fisted tactics against his opponents and the media provided a model for populist European parties that have exercised comparative restraint on a continent that still remembers World War Two.
“The broken taboos, the extent of political conflict, the aggression that we’ve seen from Trump, this can widen the scope of what becomes thinkable in our own political culture,” Schwarzer said.
HUGE INFLUENCE
Early next month, Austrians will vote in a presidential election that could see Norbert Hofer of the Freedom Party become the first far-right head of state to be freely elected in western Europe since 1945.
On the same day, a constitutional reform referendum on which Prime Minister Renzi has staked his future could upset the political order in Italy, pushing Grillo’s left-wing 5-Star movement closer to the reins of power.
“An epoch has gone up in flames,” Grillo said. “The real demagogues are the press, intellectuals, who are anchored to a world that no longer exists.”
Right-wing nationalists are already running governments in Poland and Hungary. In western Europe, the likelihood of a Trump figure taking power seems remote for now.
In Europe’s parliamentary democracies, traditional parties from the right and left have set aside historical rivalries, banding together to keep out the populists.
But the lesson from the Brexit vote is that parties do not have to be in government to shape the political debate, said Tina Fordham, chief global political analyst at Citi. She cited the anti-EU UK Independence Party which has just one seat in the Westminster parliament.
“UKIP did poorly in the last election but had a huge amount influence over the political dynamic in Britain,” Fordham said. “The combination of the Brexit campaign and Trump have absolutely changed the way campaigns are run.”
UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed Trump’s victory on Wednesday as a “supersized Brexit”.
As new political movements emerge, traditional parties will find it increasingly difficult to form coalitions and hold them together.
In Spain, incumbent Mariano Rajoy was returned to power last week but only after two inconclusive elections in which voters fled his conservatives and their traditional rival on the left, the Socialists, for two new parties, Podemos and Ciudadanos.
After 10 months of political limbo, Rajoy finds himself atop a minority government that is expected to struggle to pass laws, implement reforms and plug holes in Spain’s public finances.
The virus of political fragility could spread next year from Spain to the Netherlands, where Wilders’s Freedom Party is neck-and-neck in opinion polls with Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s liberals.
For Rutte to stay in power after the election in March, he may be forced to consider novel, less-stable coalition options with an array of smaller parties, including the Greens.
WATERSHED MOMENT
In France, which has a presidential system, the chances of Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front, emerging victorious are seen as slim.
The odds-on favourite to win the presidential election next spring is Alain Juppe, a 71-year-old centrist with extensive experience in government who has tapped into a yearning for responsible leadership after a decade of disappointment from Francois Hollande and Nicolas Sarkozy.
But in a sign of Le Pen’s strength, polls show she will win more support than any other politician in the first round of the election. Even if she loses the second round run-off, as polls suggest, her performance is likely to be seen as a watershed moment for continental Europe’s far-right.
It could give her a powerful platform from which to fight the reforms that Juppe and his conservative rivals for the presidency are promising.
In Germany, where voters go to the polls next autumn, far-right parties have struggled to gain a foothold in the post-war era because of the dark history of the Nazis, but that too is changing.
Just three years old, the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), has become a force at the national level, unsettling Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives, who have been punished in a series of regional votes because of her welcoming policy towards refugees.
Merkel could announce as early as next month that she plans to run for a fourth term, and if she does run, current polls suggest she would win.
But she would do so as a diminished figure in a country that is perhaps more divided than at any time in the post-war era. Even Merkel’s conservative sister party, the Bavarian Christian Social Union, has refused to endorse her.
(Additional reporting by Crispian Balmer in Rome, Anthony Deutsch in Amsterdam; editing by David Stamp)
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November 9, 2016 at 11:50 am #57255November 9, 2016 at 1:06 pm #57265bnwBlockedAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
Science funding will continue. Planned Parenthood will still continue. Abortion will revert to the states. Healthcare will be restored. Civil rights will remain inviolate. There are indeed silver linings and lets hope a well stacked SCOTUS will serve liberty for many decades.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:10 pm #57267bnwBlockedAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
I agree with all the above, and WV’s comments. Yep. The only silver lining is the end of the Clinton dynasty.
But the know-nothings are now in charge of all three branches of government, and you can bet they’re going stack the courts all across the country as well as SCOTUS.
If I had the money to do so, I’d leave right now in a heartbeat for Europe. I’m still hoping to retire there in a few years.
We’ve now entered what may be known as the anti-intellectualism era of American history.
If there was a god I’d be praying for it to save us at this point.
“anti-intellectualism” ah the rampant ego at work!
You’re also low information on whats transpiring in europe these days.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:13 pm #57268bnwBlockedhttp://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-consequences-trumps-victory-are-coming-focus
The consequences of Trump’s victory are coming into focus
11/09/16 09:09 AM
By Steve Benen
David Axelrod, the former senior strategist for President Obama, has long espoused an interesting theory about national elections. As Axelrod explained in January, “Open-seat presidential elections are shaped by perceptions of the style and personality of the outgoing incumbent. Voters rarely seek the replica of what they have.”By Axelrod’s reasoning, it’s expected that voters will choose a new president who is roughly the opposite of the departing executive – an assertion that looks quite sound this morning.
Some of this will be obvious immediately, because the shifts in presidential style will be jarring. President Obama is measured; Donald Trump is erratic. Obama is intellectual; Trump is incurious. Obama is honest; Trump is pathological. Obama is serious and committed to sound policymaking; Trump is clownish and dismissive of the details of public affairs.
But come next year, the stylistic differences will be an inconsequential afterthought by the time a Trump/Pence administration begins governing alongside a far-right, radicalized Republican majority in the House and Senate. The New Republic’s Brian Beutler had a good piece on this overnight:
At a minimum, Republicans are going to do incredible violence to President Barack Obama’s accomplishments…. Trump will almost certainly abrogate Obama’s international climate agreement and the global powers agreement preventing Iran from creating their own nuclear arsenal. Republicans will send Trump legislation undermining Obama’s legacy everywhere they can find congressional majorities to do so, and Trump will sign those bills. Republicans don’t know how to repeal Obamacare, let alone replace it. But they will try.The Supreme Court will return to conservative control, and over the next four years, it may very well become far more conservative. Voting rights will be further weakened; the constitutional right to abortion is vulnerable to abolition.
But things could get much, much worse.
There’s a temptation among some to try to look for comfort where available. We collectively hit an iceberg, but maybe we can cling to some floating debris for a while until help arrives. Americans are resilient, and we’ve been through rough times before.I’d like to offer some kind of assurances along these lines, but I can’t do so with any honesty.
Millions of families are going to lose their health benefits. Efforts to combat the climate crisis will end and move backwards. The tax system will become radically more regressive. Wall Street will be freed from safeguards and recently created layers of accountability, and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau will be decimated.
Immigrants who consider the United States the only home they’ve ever known will be forced from the country. Minority communities will experience less justice and fewer voting rights. Higher education will be further out of reach for many young people.
The United States will lose the world’s respect. The Supreme Court will move even further to the right, and the clock on reproductive rights will be turned back a half-century.
This is really just a sampling. At no point in modern American history have we seen a political party as radicalized as the contemporary Republican Party, and as a result of the decisions voters made this year, that GOP will dominate federal policymaking for the next several years – making changes that will affect the nation and the world for generations.
And if we look beyond legislative measures, we also see the worst major-party presidential candidate in history who will have access to nuclear codes.
Yes, there are some political structures and institutions in place that may offer us some semblance of protection, but Trump has made no secret of his hostility towards democratic norms, his indifference towards traditions, and his affinity for authoritarian ideals.
I’m looking for a silver lining. I don’t see one.
Lost me and everyone with a working brain after “Obama is honest.”
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:15 pm #57270bnwBlockedBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
w
vNo, I’m sorry. But this is worse. Like, far worse. In fact I expect that soon enough I won’t even have to say that anymore.
…
Based upon what? Correct predictions throughout this election? Because that has been me.
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The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:19 pm #57271bnwBlockedWell i know your view on that. I was expecting you to respond to that line of mine, with exactly what you did
I think I may be the only guy whose 2 cents you dismiss in advance like that. Odd distinction.
Now now I think I’m in the running.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:19 pm #57272Billy_TParticipantAll programs researching alternative energy sources will be gutted. Roe v Wade will be overturned. Science funding will be gone. Planned Parenthood will be gone. The irony is that Planned Parenthood prevented way more abortions than it performed. More teen pregnancies, more abortions only now they’ll be the back alley variety which means higher morbidity and mortality and an increase in medical costs. Privatization and development of publicly held lands, millions losing their healthcare coverage, civil rights legislation overturned. At times Trump has said he supports and has said he doesn’t support Affirmative Action so who knows what will happen with that…
There are no silver linings here. If he appoints 4 SC justices this country will be set back 100 years and likely won’t recover in our lifetimes.
I agree with all the above, and WV’s comments. Yep. The only silver lining is the end of the Clinton dynasty.
But the know-nothings are now in charge of all three branches of government, and you can bet they’re going stack the courts all across the country as well as SCOTUS.
If I had the money to do so, I’d leave right now in a heartbeat for Europe. I’m still hoping to retire there in a few years.
We’ve now entered what may be known as the anti-intellectualism era of American history.
If there was a god I’d be praying for it to save us at this point.
“anti-intellectualism” ah the rampant ego at work!
You’re also low information on whats transpiring in europe these days.
bnw, there’s not a topic I can even imagine where my access to and use of credible, verifiable information doesn’t surpass yours, and by light years.
November 9, 2016 at 1:22 pm #57274bnwBlockedbnw, there’s not a topic I can even imagine in which my level of credible, verifiable information doesn’t surpass yours, and by light years.
Yes indeed that ego of yours. Your information has been wrong throughout this election. You sure present a lot of it but as usual it is BS.
- This reply was modified 8 years, 1 month ago by bnw.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 9, 2016 at 1:29 pm #57276Billy_TParticipantYes indeed that ego of yours. Your information has been wrong throughout this election. You sure present a lot of it but as usual it is BS.
bnw, you posted nothing but right-wing fringe bullshit here for months. All of it was thoroughly debunked, and easily.
OTOH, you’ve never be able to debunk what I’ve posted. Instead, you just post mindless Op Eds from the lunatic fringe as if that were the ticket.
Beyond that, I want to congratulate you on acting just as I thought you might: As a sore “winner.” Stay classy, bnw.
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November 9, 2016 at 2:40 pm #57290znModeratorYes indeed that ego of yours.
Beyond that, I want to congratulate you on acting just as I thought you might: As a sore “winner.” Stay classy, bnw.
Tone. Language. Personalized antagonism is not to occur. I mean I know that’s hard this day of all days. But, rules iz rules.
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