How many promises will he break before inauguration?

With just the Ford phone call and the 1000 Carrier jobs saved Trump has already done more to save US jobs than Obama has in his 8 years in office. Don’t give up on that 35% tariff since this country needs it bad. Jobs its always about jobs. He delivers or he doesn’t. No gray area exists for Trump supporters on this. This country has to get back to work.

Hildabeast better get that pardon from Obama. Sessions isn’t Trump. Imagine a non political Dept. of Justice. So refreshing. The wall will be built where appropriate and Mexico will pay for it. Obamacare is toast.

I’ve always had a different opinion about Trump’s comments about Hildabeast. Those comments were his. They are not law. Sessions will have a free hand and will follow the appropriate path as allowed by law. I see Trump’s comments as simultaneously removing himself from charges of partisan attack while throwing the ball to Obama to give her a pardon. If Obama gives her a pardon Trump can say he wasn’t threatening any legal action. Trump can also say why the pardon given if she is innocent? Obama can’t risk not issuing Hildabeast and co-conspirators their pardons because he himself is proven to be as guilty as well. While playing at president for 8 years he does know enough to cover his ass. Yes despite the overwhelming evidence of his lying to the american people, he is that crass. Trump boxed him in well. Obama now has 7 weeks to give pardons for those involved that can implicate him. He can work those pardons in among all those of drug dealers he’s been so busy with while he plays golf and tours the world claiming he isn’t a failed president.

Zooey wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

He’s not building the wall let alone have Mexico pay for it, he’s not repealing Obamacare, he’s not going to convict Hillary…aren’t those three promises the reason why about 75% of his supporters voted for him?

http://www.newsweek.com/keeping-score-donald-trump-campaign-promises-526391

Well, he isn’t keeping his promises because he failed to keep the promise that all the others depend upon: draining the swamp. You don’t bring in Insiders to revolutionize the status quo.

Since he brought in insiders, there is no way he is going to do much of anything outside the box except some stuff for showbiz. The areas where he is capable of changing things (i.e.causing significant damage) are areas where he didn’t make any real promises in the first place: SCOUTUS, EPA, etc. But he isn’t going to do the big three.

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NExt election might be really interesting. If an ‘actual’ progressive runs against the Billionaire with a four year record — should be interesting.

One wonders, btw, who the MSM would support in a race between an incumbent Billionaire-Republican and a Bernie-type-Progressive ?

Trump wont be able to run as an ‘outsider’ next time.

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Zooey wrote:

Nice job, Nittany.

Did you find that article all by yourself?

Or did you just get it from the original post in this thread?

I just want to say that I really enjoyed those two articles. Lots to digest.

If you get a chance check out this one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7276509cb02b

Zooey wrote:

Nice job, Nittany.

Did you find that article all by yourself?

Or did you just get it from the original post in this thread?

Yes, well, um the article is so important I thought it warranted repeating so I reposted it for emphasis.

That sort of thing is done all the time on the finer message boards in the Hamptons and on the Cape.

Pardon me for trying to class this place up a bit.

Zooey wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

He’s not building the wall let alone have Mexico pay for it, he’s not repealing Obamacare, he’s not going to convict Hillary…aren’t those three promises the reason why about 75% of his supporters voted for him?

http://www.newsweek.com/keeping-score-donald-trump-campaign-promises-526391

Well, he isn’t keeping his promises because he failed to keep the promise that all the others depend upon: draining the swamp. You don’t bring in Insiders to revolutionize the status quo.

Since he brought in insiders, there is no way he is going to do much of anything outside the box except some stuff for showbiz. The areas where he is capable of changing things (i.e.causing significant damage) are areas where he didn’t make any real promises in the first place: SCOUTUS, EPA, etc. But he isn’t going to do the big three.

Draining doesn’t have to mean instant change. It can mean steady reduction. Killing the culture of corruption is dependent upon current actions that have immediate and future positive effects. Employing a few swamp creatures to further the goal of real systemic change doesn’t doom the initiative.

I don’t understand your statement about SCOTUS and the EPA since Trump has promised significant change for the better with his SC appointees and a severe roll back of anti coal and other onerous EPA regs. Both will happen. GUARANTEED.

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PA Ram wrote:

I’ll probably regret this but honestly, I’m curious. Can Obama pardon someone for a crime they haven’t been convicted of? Or even charged with? How does that work?

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I wonder if Obama will pardon Trump for all the future-crimes he will perpetrate.

Every President goes to war against the poor, and commits war crimes along the way. So maybe every outgoing president should just go ahead and pardon the incoming President for their future-crimes. Ya know. Just to make it all official.

I’m also wondering if Obama will pardon Jeff Fisher for what he’s done for the last five years. 🙂

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I just don’t want to live in the Holy Christian Fascist Caliphate that substitutes for what was the USA. Well, that seems to be the plan, anyway…

I mean, you’re free if you’re a white male evangelical Christian.

But…wait…

If a few more state houses go Republican… you think Mike Pence won’t work with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to use the Nuclear option in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then start passing and ratifying Amendments to the Constitution that MOST Americans actually don’t want, but thanks to gerrymandering, corrupt Dems and hard right evangelical Christian Republicans… we could easily see…

An Amendment criminalizing homosexuality. Not just gay marriage…but homosexuality en toto. Those statements are already on the table and we’re only a few state houses away from this being a reality.

An Amendment enshrining the permanent lack of privacy. Forever. Domestic spying will become not only the norm, but we’ll have gone from “we have privacy” to “if you have nothing to hide…” Habeas Corpus is already becoming a distant memory…

An Amendment which establishes that America is a Christian nation. Yep. That’s coming. BELIEVE IT.

I also expect everything just south of an amendment enabling the expansion of coal, oil and nuclear power with subsidies. Even as the problems with all of these continue to become more evident…and the business case for each becomes more tenuous in the changing economy (the economic case for innovation used to not just reside in Silicon Valley)… and the social and environmental costs are born including potential disasters (we have old nuclear power plants near major population centers. Indian River Nuclear Power plant is near NYC AND is near a fault line, so when the Trump federal gov’t forces through national fracking as is likely… Indian River isn’t capable of handling even a 5.0 earthquake. And it’s the same design as Fukushima….and NYC is within the fallout radius. What could go wrong?

I just don’t get it.

I mean…I do…and I don’t.

It’s being made abundantly clear that through shrewd political gamesmanship, this minority viewpoint will be attempted to be made manifest.

Based on the last few weeks and how the Dems are looking to corporatists Corey Booker and Kristen Gillibrand, two massive corporate hacks and basically an Obama and a Hillary doppleganger, respectively, I have little hope that there will be any progress in the 2018 elections. And the MSM will still be scratching their heads… “how can this be happening???”

What if I want to live with atheists? Gays? Lesbians? Transgendered people? Muslims? Hebrews? Hindus? Buddhists? Disabled (other than myself)? Black people? Hispanic people? Asian people? Middle-Eastern people (Arab, Semitic, etc)? What if I WANT to live in a diverse country that CELEBRATES that diversity?

I thought that is what America stood for. I thought that is what America, ultimately, after all the crap was washed off was about.

So, when the White Christian Caliphate legislation stuff starts coming…and it will… are those who are going to say that this post is an overreaction going to stand up and fight against it?

Or is everyone supposed to magically become evangelical white males?

Remember, I’m the pattern guy. This may not come to pass, but the pattern has been laid for it to happen. And forces are being put in place for it to happen. That’s a fact.

I just don’t want to live in the Holy Christian Fascist Caliphate that substitutes for what was the USA.

Yeah, that’s my worry too. A fascist theocracy.

Where they divert funds from the NSF to the Ark Encounter theme park.

Mackeyser wrote:

I just don’t want to live in the Holy Christian Fascist Caliphate that substitutes for what was the USA. Well, that seems to be the plan, anyway…

I mean, you’re free if you’re a white male evangelical Christian.

But…wait…

If a few more state houses go Republican… you think Mike Pence won’t work with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to use the Nuclear option in the Senate to eliminate the filibuster and then start passing and ratifying Amendments to the Constitution that MOST Americans actually don’t want, but thanks to gerrymandering, corrupt Dems and hard right evangelical Christian Republicans… we could easily see…

An Amendment criminalizing homosexuality. Not just gay marriage…but homosexuality en toto. Those statements are already on the table and we’re only a few state houses away from this being a reality.

An Amendment enshrining the permanent lack of privacy. Forever. Domestic spying will become not only the norm, but we’ll have gone from “we have privacy” to “if you have nothing to hide…” Habeas Corpus is already becoming a distant memory…

An Amendment which establishes that America is a Christian nation. Yep. That’s coming. BELIEVE IT.

I also expect everything just south of an amendment enabling the expansion of coal, oil and nuclear power with subsidies. Even as the problems with all of these continue to become more evident…and the business case for each becomes more tenuous in the changing economy (the economic case for innovation used to not just reside in Silicon Valley)… and the social and environmental costs are born including potential disasters (we have old nuclear power plants near major population centers. Indian River Nuclear Power plant is near NYC AND is near a fault line, so when the Trump federal gov’t forces through national fracking as is likely… Indian River isn’t capable of handling even a 5.0 earthquake. And it’s the same design as Fukushima….and NYC is within the fallout radius. What could go wrong?

I just don’t get it.

I mean…I do…and I don’t.

It’s being made abundantly clear that through shrewd political gamesmanship, this minority viewpoint will be attempted to be made manifest.

Based on the last few weeks and how the Dems are looking to corporatists Corey Booker and Kristen Gillibrand, two massive corporate hacks and basically an Obama and a Hillary doppleganger, respectively, I have little hope that there will be any progress in the 2018 elections. And the MSM will still be scratching their heads… “how can this be happening???”

What if I want to live with atheists? Gays? Lesbians? Transgendered people? Muslims? Hebrews? Hindus? Buddhists? Disabled (other than myself)? Black people? Hispanic people? Asian people? Middle-Eastern people (Arab, Semitic, etc)? What if I WANT to live in a diverse country that CELEBRATES that diversity?

I thought that is what America stood for. I thought that is what America, ultimately, after all the crap was washed off was about.

So, when the White Christian Caliphate legislation stuff starts coming…and it will… are those who are going to say that this post is an overreaction going to stand up and fight against it?

Or is everyone supposed to magically become evangelical white males?

Remember, I’m the pattern guy. This may not come to pass, but the pattern has been laid for it to happen. And forces are being put in place for it to happen. That’s a fact.

Well keep on calling the opposition racists, homophobes, deplorables, irredeemables etc. and see how that continues to work politically for you. BTW I’m not an “evangelical” white male. I’m Roman Catholic. Don’t have to be white or male or “evangelical” to share similar beliefs on this stuff and it isn’t as monolithic as you believe. Perhaps Obama can import enough Islamists in his final days to help solidify the voting block for the future?

No way the amendment enshrining the lack of privacy would ever be passed. Too many disparate groups would find common cause. Snowden and Binney have been very effective at getting the message out.

No way an amendment proclaiming America is a christian nation is passed with any teeth to it. In name only, perhaps, but the opposition would be fierce and galvanized over a pyrrhic victory at best.

Seriously doubt an amendment requiring oil, coal, nuclear etc. but guarantee the expansion will be great at least for oil and coal. So great that it will be impossible economically to do what Obama did to our electricity providers ever again. The public will refuse to bear such costs again. Such costs will prevent the economic expansion necessary to Make America Great Again.

If you want to live with those people then you’ll still be in luck right here in the good ole USA. They’re not going anywhere and everyone knows it. Stop acting like its 1000 AD or even 1950 AD. Again you do your cause more harm than good politically.

Nothing magical about work. Put in the time, state your case and most important of all listen to the voters. No slogans or celebrities or MSM tools blatantly lying to the people since all that is easy. In fact its so lazy as to be laughable. Its already thoroughly discredited. Trump’s victory proved that. You have to connect with the people, not the outliers of the people. If democrats can’t learn that they will quickly become inconsequential. Reelecting Pelosi as minority leader shows they haven’t learned a thing.

Rest easy as the pattern you see I don’t.