How good (or bad) will the Defense be?

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  • #20807
    Avatar photowv
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    They’ve added a solid LB,
    and a very talented DT.

    The secondary has a year to
    study its blunders.

    They know the GW system now,
    one would think.

    Top twelve? Top ten? Top five?
    Somethin else?

    I say top five. Thats just how
    i see it.

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    #20808
    sdram
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    I hope they’re really good. The pass rush should be stellar. Can they cover and tackle in the secondary? They were improving last year at both of those as the season progressed. At least everybody has at least one season of experience and if they stay relatively healthy, I’ll say top five too.

    #20809
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    they should at least finish in the top 10. if they don’t, i’d say this coaching staff needs to fired.

    #20810
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    they should at least finish in the top 10. if they don’t, i’d say this coaching staff needs to fired.

    #20811
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I will put a number on it. The defensive talent indicates that it should be 7th +- 2 or 3 spots. The thing is, after last year, I don’t trust GW. We will see. After all, opinions are always a moving target.

    For the defense to rank any higher, the offense must be able to run the ball when they want. Or we have a unicorn playing cb. You know the mythical shutdown beast. imo

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    #20812
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Long, Hayes, and Dunbar will all be 30 this year. They are the oldest players on the current roster.

    Agamemnon

    #20814
    Winnbrad
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    If the offense is better, the D should be better. But I have no idea how that’s gonna work out? If our O continues to rank in the bottom third of the league in almost every category, then… meh.

    I’d be happy if the D just cut down on giving up big plays.

    #20815
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    i would agree with that. strong running game or a better secondary in order for this defense to reach top 5.

    #20819
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    I say top five. Thats just how
    i see it.

    Me too. In the top 5. 1st through 5th. Or, higher.

    #20823
    Herzog
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    If GW is trustworthy, than top 5. However Jenkins alone could screw it up.

    If not, than first in sacks, blitzes, and big plays given up. Top 20 defense.

    IM not sure if I trust him yet.

    #20824
    Avatar photowv
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    If top 5. However Jenkins alone could screw it up…

    Well that will be a test of Coaching,
    wont it. The JJ thing.
    They will have had all offseason
    and preseason to deal with the
    “JJ problem.”

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    #20825
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Well that will be a test of Coaching,
    wont it. The JJ thing.
    They will have had all offseason
    and preseason to deal with the
    “JJ problem.”

    Well, they’ve had three offseasons to deal with the ‘JJ problem’ and nothing’s changed, so I’m not expecting things to be different this season.

    JJ is JJ. He’s all about impact plays. Heck, his twitter handle is Mr.pick6sh*t. He’s always looking to make the big play and will foolishly gamble to make that happen. That’s just who he is.

    It’s time for you to accept that and move on. Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.

    #20849
    Herzog
    Participant

    time for you to accept that and move Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.

    LOL you are freaking hilarious…. And probably right.

    Sucks though… All that God given ability…. Yet one blindspot ruins it all.

    #20858
    Avatar photowv
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    time for you to accept that and move Abandon this futile hope that JJ becomes a reliable and consistent corner because it’s not going to happen and I don’t want to see you get hurt.

    LOL you are freaking hilarious…. And probably right.
    Sucks though… All that God given ability…. Yet one blindspot ruins it all.

    #20863
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Good old pick-6 got picked. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #20865
    rfl
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    I’ve said this before, but I think JJ has to be used correctly.

    Look. He’s an aggressive player. The downside of that is that he makes mistakes.

    But, there is an upside. He actually CAN make plays.

    So, how does one use him?

    1) Move him back off the LOS 7 yards. Take him out of close contact with the WR, reducing the value of his instinctive ability to go with cuts. Frustrate and bore him. Make him antsy, more liable to bite on a chance to come up. And limit the effectiveness of his gifts.

    or

    2) Make the most of his gifts. Play him up, aggressively. Maximize his ability to run with WRs. Make a virtue of his aggressiveness and give him chances to make plays. And provide some backup over the top.

    What do you think?

    And how has he been played?

    And don’t forget, #1 tends to negate the impact of our pass rush. #2 maximizes its impact.

    JJ is not a balanced, all around CB. Yet, I believe a smart DC would get value from his gifts. I KNOW we are not doing that.

    Glad to see all the guys saying they don’t trust GW. That’s correct. Don’t trust him. Make him prove he can actually deploy our talent effectively. When he does, I’ll praise him.

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    #20867
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I agree with what you say. Aeneas said that he just needs to be smarter about when to be aggressive.

    Agamemnon

    #20874
    Avatar photowv
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    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>I agree with what you say. Aeneas said that he just needs to be smarter about when to be aggressive.</span>

    Would he get his pick-6’s if he was
    playing even with the WR
    from the start, though?

    I dunno, about JJ. I dunno.

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    #20877
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Would he get his pick-6’s if he was
    playing even with the WR
    from the start, though?

    I dunno, about JJ. I dunno.

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    I don’t know. I do know he committed to the gamble too soon. If he gives up more big plays than he makes, then it is a net loss. imo

    Agamemnon

    #20896
    rfl
    Participant

    I agree with what you say. Aeneas said that he just needs to be smarter about when to be aggressive.

    I agree with your agreement.

    And of course, Aeneas was a world class DB. I doubt JJ will ever be that. And if he played smarter, he’d be better.

    But the DC has to be smarter in how he uses him, as well.

    Lots of players look great playing a role that matches who they are and bad playing another role … and vice versa.

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    #20898
    rfl
    Participant

    Would he get his pick-6’s if he was
    playing even with the WR
    from the start, though?

    I think so, but it’s more than just a matter of pick 6s. More than INTs and more even than passes defended.

    JJ can run with WRs. That’s his gift and few CBs really have that gift. The way he is generally played, he can’t really use it.

    Other CBs have to play smart and read. They do that better and get burned less. But they don’t have his physical gifts.

    Now, what the hell do I know? But …

    I would predict that if he played up a lot, he would choke off a lot of pass routes. The biggest result would be, IMO, more QB hurries and sacks from the front 7. I think he AND THEY would play better in aggressive deployments.

    But, hey. Maybe I’m just wishing. I do know that playing CBs 11 yards off the LOS 79% of the time depresses the hell out of me.

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    #21355
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    They need a DT behind Fairley and Brockers. Bet they draft one.

    #21358
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    they need to replace janoris. they’ll most likely have to make do with him this season. but i fully expect him to be replaced in 2016.

    #21361
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I am going to keep Jenkins. Give him help over the top and let him gamble. I probably can’t keep both Jenkins and Johnson next year. I will let one walk and replace the other with Robinson. I have enough CBs to do that. Still, if the Rams add a CB this year, that is fine. I know Snead likes PJ Williams.

    Agamemnon

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