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August 25, 2014 at 10:36 pm #5180RamBillParticipant
Hill’s moment is at hand
• By Jim ThomasWhether it was tongue-in-cheek or an innocent remark, Jeff Fisher elicited chuckles from reporters and brought back memories of the glory days when he said Sunday: “This team’s gonna rally around Shaun and we’re gonna go play,” Fisher said.
You know, just like Dick Vermeil and you-know-who back in 1999. Obviously, no one expects Shaun Hill to be the next Kurt Warner. And it’s unfair to Hill to even suggest that.
But in the interest of due diligence, the question had to be asked Monday when Hill met with reporters for the first time as the Rams’ starting quarterback.
Shaun, have you ever worked in a grocery store?
“No,” Hill said, taking the bait. “The closest was a fireworks stand in the
summertime. We would start out the year and we would package and ship for Jake’s
Fireworks in Pittsburg, Kansas. And then as soon as the store was able to open we’d go and run the store for a few weeks.”
OK, not exactly like stocking grocery shelves at the Hy-Vee, but it’s a start.
Which is what Hill, a native of Parsons, Kan., will be doing in the Rams’ Sept. 7 season opener against Minnesota — starting at quarterback against the Vikings.
One of the biggest media crowds of the preseason was in attendance Monday as the practice week started, wondering how the Rams would survive life without Sam Bradford and if Hill could cut it as Bradford’s replacement.
“He actually completed some passes today,” Fisher deadpanned. “And he actually knows where to go with the football, believe it or not. He’s fine. He’s a competitor, and knows what he’s doing. He’s going to make every opportunity count.”
Hill isn’t promising to deliver fireworks — that’s no longer his job. But after throwing only 16 passes over the past three seasons (as a Detroit Lion), he is ready for the opportunity.
“Definitely,” Hill said. “Obviously you feel terrible for Sam. Getting to know him here, I was really looking forward to seeing him play this year. He was going to light it up.
“But the nature of the business is next guy up — that’s me. There’s a lot of excitement, getting amped up, and ready to go for this one.”
Hill learned that Bradford’s knee injury was season-ending just like everyone else — at a team meeting Sunday. He has since talked to Bradford to offer words of encouragement.
“Like I said, I feel bad for the guy,” Hill said. “He’s gonna come back better from it, though, for sure. I guarantee it.”
Known throughout his career as a stickler for preparation, Hill said he had a good grasp of the offense by the end of OTAs, conquering the whole learning-a-new-language thing. Once training camp started he was able to hit the ground running and learn the nuances and details of the system.
“I’ve always gone into every week, even as a backup, as if I was gonna play,” Hill said. “That’s the only way I knew how to prepare. That’s the only way I knew how to do it.
“So to be honest with you, my mindset’s the same as it’s been every week. And I think throughout the length of my career, having that mindset every week has helped me to this moment. So that it’s not anything new. I don’t have to do anything different.”
Through 12 NFL seasons Hill, 34, has played in only 34 games, with 26 regular-season starts. Even with that lack of playing time, he has been an opening-day starter before, in 2009 for San Francisco.
Not that you’d expect the Rams to say we’re doomed, but Hill seems to have the full confidence of his teammates.
“Shaun Hill has everything it takes to take us to the playoffs this year,” wide receiver Chris Givens said. “He’s a leader. He demands respect in the huddle. He’s always making good decisions, and he’s a good vet guy to learn from.”
And one more from wide receiver Tavon Austin: “He’s a smart quarterback. He knows the system. He’s been around this league a while. There’s nothing he can’t handle.”
Hill said he’s had enough time on the practice field with the wideouts to develop a good rapport with the group. Keep in mind, he got plenty of reps with the starters during the June OTA period when Bradford’s practice time was limited.
“I feel comfortable with all of them,” Hill said.
The book on Hill says he is more accurate and throws a better deep ball than last year’s backup, Kellen Clemens. The fact that he has been at this a long time — the Rams were coming off a Super Bowl season when he entered the league in 2002 — should help when it comes to game-planning every week.
“I think that’s kinda where that experience and that edge will take over,” Hill said.
Fisher has done everything possible to give Hill a solid foundation, as well as send a message to the team, by reiterating to anyone who will listen that Hill is his guy and dismissing any trade speculation. You never say never in this business, but the Rams are not knocking on doors. There is a difference.
“We’ve not had discussions with anybody,” Fisher said again Monday. “Again, we’re gonna be patient with this.”
It’s possible some quarterback may be released in the next several days who interests the Rams. A trade partner may develop at some point. Who knows?
“But we’re not initiating anything right now,” Fisher said.
Fisher later added: “I think it’s important that once you make a change, for whatever reason, you stick with it. And we’re sticking with this, there’s no doubt about that.
“That allows everybody to get comfortable and have confidence in who’s under center as opposed to: ‘Well, what are we gonna do this week?’ He’s our guy, and we’re going to move forward.”
ABOUT SHAUN HILLHt.: 6-3
Wt: 220
Age: 34
Years pro: 13
BY THE NUMBERS
Games/Att/Cmp/Pct/TDs/INTs/QB Rate
34/954/591/61.9/41/23/85.9
Note: Backup quarterback Austin Davis is a second-year pro that has yet to throw a regular-season pass in the NFL.
August 25, 2014 at 10:36 pm #5152RamBillParticipantJeff Fisher emphasizes faith in Shaun Hill
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10935/fisher-emphasizes-faith-in-shaun-hill
EARTH CITY, Mo. — St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher is not a fan of quarterback controversies and wears it as a badge of honor that he’s never had a situation where two players have really battled one-on-one for a starting job.
That’s why Fisher, one day after confirming the season-ending knee injury for starter Sam Bradford, again emphasized that veteran Shaun Hill is his quarterback. Not just during Monday’s practice or in this week’s preseason game but for the season barring something happening to him.
Hill
“I think it’s important once you make a change for whatever reason, you stick with it,” Fisher said Monday. “And we’re sticking with this. There’s no doubt about that. That allows everybody to get comfortable and have confidence in who is under center as opposed to ‘Well, what are we going to do this week?’ There’s no doubt that he’s our guy and we’re going to move forward.”The Rams moved forward with Hill as the starting quarterback for the first time in Monday’s practice. Hill had some ups and downs, including throwing a few interceptions but Fisher was mostly pleased with his performance.
In fact, Fisher offered a little of his trademark dry humor when asked how Hill practiced Monday.
“He was fine,” Fisher said, a smile creeping across his face. “He actually completed some passes today. He was fine. And he actually knows where to go with the football, believe it or not. He’s a competitor and knows what he’s doing.”
For his part, Hill said he’s only once been able to enter a season as a starting quarterback. That was in 2009 with San Francisco but he also made it clear that his mindset doesn’t change regardless of circumstance. He does, however, acknowledge that having such a strong vote of confidence from Fisher is helpful.
“That feels good to have his confidence,” Hill said. “And the team’s confidence. They’ve all rallied around me. It’s been good.”
As for all the rumors of the Rams pursuing outside options at quarterback, Fisher again hit the familiar refrain of saying that Hill is the starter and they will be patient to evaluate possibilities for backups behind him.
“I don’t really like to deal in hypotheticals but had Shaun not been here and we had an issue, we very well could have brought some guys in to see who has got a better feel for us and then go with them as the starter,” Fisher said. “But we’ve already got a starter. He was clearly our two, he steps up and plays. We’ve really not done anything.
August 26, 2014 at 1:08 am #5176ZooeyModeratorWell. Hope is the thing with feathers.
Just remember that.
August 26, 2014 at 1:15 am #5177znModeratorWell. Hope is the thing with feathers.
Just remember that.
Naw screw hope. It’s too next minute.
I say, give em Hill.
August 26, 2014 at 1:23 am #5178RamBillParticipantRams react to Bradford’s injury
Nate Latschhttp://stl.scout.com/2/1438143.html
ST. LOUIS — Rodger Saffold experienced a wide range of emotions after seeing Sam Bradford get hurt, then thinking the quarterback was going to be fine only to learn the next day that he was injured again.
“It was gasp,” the offensive lineman said Monday. “Then it was like, Oh, he’s fine. He’s over there laughing and walking around on it. I’m like, oh, he’s good. Then the next day it’s like, hey, not so good. Of course you feel bad for him. But what’s the best thing that we can do for him? Go out and try to win the division. That’s the best thing we can do.”Rams players met with reporters Monday following practice for the first time since St. Louis coach Jeff Fisher announced to the media that Bradford had once again torn the same ACL that ended his 2013 campaign after just seven games.
The Rams know how hard Bradford worked to come back from last year’s knee injury, which he suffered on an innocent enough looking play when he was pushed from behind while running out of bounds in the second half against the Panthers.
On Saturday night, a Cleveland Browns defender made contact with Bradford, who fell to the turf and then grabbed his previously injured left knee before eventually walking off the field.
“Yesterday was difficult,” Fisher said. “They all care for Sam but they understand we have work to do. We have things we have to get done this week, on a short week and so they were working really good today.”
Saffold echoed Fisher’s sentiments about having to return to work.
“Everybody’s on the same page already,” Saffold said. “The mind state is good. We always look out for Sam. He’s always on our minds. But at the end of the day when we come to practice we’re here to work.”
The Rams will play their fourth and final preseason game on Thursday in Miami and then must prepare to open the regular season against the Minnesota Vikings the following week.
There’s not much time to dwell on Bradford’s situation.
St. Louis has to quickly move on to once again playing without Bradford, like they did last season, and this time playing with Shaun Hill at quarterback.
That won’t necessarily be easy, after what happened to their teammate, but that is what they will have to do anyway.
“Very unfortunate for Sam,” running back Zac Stacy said. “I hate that for him. But at the same time we’re real excited about Shaun leading us and the offensive weapons that we have. From that standpoint, we’re just going to get better, improve each and every day and get ready for Week 1.”
Hill also said he feels terrible for Bradford.
“Getting to know him here, I was really looking forward to seeing him play this year,” Hill said. “He was going to light it up. But, the nature of the business, next guy up and that’s me. A lot of excitement getting cranked up and ready to go for this one.”
August 26, 2014 at 2:07 am #5192RamBillParticipantBurwell: Rams should avoid crazy QB ideas
• By BRYAN BURWELLSo now all the amateur football geniuses and junior GM’s of the world have had time to devote their full attention to concocting wonderful fantasy-football solutions to the Rams current quarterback upheaval, this much is quite clear:
Everyone has a plan.
Mark Sanchez. Kirk Cousins. Ryan Mallett. Michael Vick. Chase Daniel. Kyle Orton. Names and outlandish trade ideas are being thrown around with plenty of freedom, but with a short supply of wisdom. And that lack of wisdom pertains particularly to that special breed of crazies who still think Tim Tebow’s best career move would be to put down the SEC Network microphone and race to Rams Park immediately to rescue the season. (Well, they could always use an extra H-back.)
Yet when all the nuttiness is done, when all the fantasy-football draft strategies are exhausted, when all the impractical dreams have run their course, we’re still left with the only logical course of action for this franchise to take.
Leave the football team in the hands of the competent veteran who already knows how to run this offense. Whatever wild ideas you might have to bring in a guy from somewhere else, there’s no one out there who is more ready to run the Rams’ offense than Shaun Hill.
The NFL is not a rec league hustle or a Saturday afternoon game of touch played on the street. You don’t walk in off the street, draw up a few plays in the dirt and tell the receiver to run a buttonhook at the Buick. You don’t bring in a guy who had no knowledge of offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s playbook, then expect him to run through this buzzsaw schedule in the toughest division in football without a glitch. A little recent history lesson should remind you of the disasters that happened when Carson Palmer and Josh Freeman were tossed in the mix in midseason.
In case you haven’t heard, this NFL quarterbacking thing is not an easy thing.
On Monday after practice at Rams Park, Jeff Fisher was particularly amused by all the speculation swirling around his football team and the countless trade rumors connected to the Rams. “I don’t really like to deal with hypotheticals, but had Shaun not (already) been here and we had an (injury) issue, we very well could have brought some guys in and see who’s got a better feel for us under center and then go and name a starter,” Fisher told a horde of reporters who surrounded him after a late-afternoon practice. “But we already have a starter. (Hill) was clearly our (No. 2). He steps in and goes and so anything that happens beyond that I can’t comment because we’ve really not done anything.”
If you need an interpreter to read between the lines, here goes:
There’s no one out there in the great big NFL universe right now who is available, could become available or who wants to make himself available who presents a better option than Shaun Hill. Teams aren’t going to just give away gifted backups (see: Kansas City and Chase Daniel) without asking for a king’s ransom. And the other teams that have guys they’re more than willing to dump are going to try to hijack valuable assets the Rams aren’t (or shouldn’t be) willing to part with (see: Tavon Austin).
Why are so many people fascinated with Ryan Mallett when it’s so obvious that the New England Patriots seem to be ready to dump him for rookie Jimmy Garoppolo? Mallett has thrown seven passes in his four-year NFL career. Is this someone you want to mortgage draft picks for?
Oh yes, and then there is Sanchez, whose greatest accomplishment in the last few seasons in the NFL is the “butt fumble.” He had some limited success with Schottenheimer with the Jets, but he has been a huge disappointment and proved to be a bust as a first-round draft pick. Again, why would the Rams waste any important assets (players or picks) trying to bring in someone who isn’t an improvement on what you already have?
“There are a lot of players out there that are under contract and so you can’t discuss those things,” said Fisher. “But we’ve not had any discussions with anybody. Again, we’re going to be patient with this.”
So here’s what the Rams will do. They’ll be patient. They already know that Hill is the guy who will run their offense and they have been satisfied with what they’ve seen out of Austin Davis as well. Remember shortly after the end of the 2012 season, Fisher practically gift-wrapped the No. 2 job to Davis for the 2013 season. However, Davis mysteriously did not rise to the opportunity and by the middle of training camp, Kellen Clemens had won the job. Now a year later, Davis is playing the way the organization envisioned he would, albeit a year late, and now he should have secured a job.
The next step is to be patient and see what pops up on the waiver wire as we get down to the final cutdown date when rosters must be trimmed to 53 men. NFL personnel people call this churning the bottom of the roster, which means if they see a name that they believe is an upgrade on rookie Garrett Gilbert, they’ll take a look.
But trust me on this: The next great Rams quarterback of the future is not going to be found on some frantic dumpster dive at the end of training camp.
The future isn’t now, it’s next spring when the draft rolls around. That’s where you’ll find your QB of the future; everything else is the stuff of silly fantasy or irrational folly.
August 26, 2014 at 3:22 am #5197MackeyserModeratorWell, even though Sanchez looks reborn under Chip Kelly, I still wouldn’t do anything.
I’m still enamored with Hill now and Brett Hundley next season… Rams are ready to roll.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
August 26, 2014 at 7:10 am #5202wvParticipantWell, even though Sanchez looks reborn under Chip Kelly, I still wouldn’t do anything.
I’m still enamored with Hill now and Brett Hundley next season… Rams are ready to roll.
Well, you sound like you have
feathers to me.w
vAugust 26, 2014 at 2:57 pm #5225RamBillParticipantShaun Hill In, But Rams’ QB Questions Remain
By Anthony Stalterhttp://www.101sports.com/2014/08/25/hills-insertion-cant-mask-rams-long-term-questions-qb/
Immediately after news broke that Sam Bradford re-tore his ACL on Saturday night in Cleveland and would miss the entire 2014 season, I started receiving text and Twitter messages about available quarterback options for the Rams moving forward.
My response was the same every time: Shaun Hill in the short term, to-be-determined in the long-term.
The time to improve the backup situation behind Bradford was five months ago, when you were surveying the available free agents and finalizing your draft board. Any player acquired now would have to learn Brian Schottenheimer’s playbook, know how to confidently communicate that new verbiage to his teammates, build chemistry with his receivers and learn the pre-snap check principles that are already in place so that he can effectively audible at the line. Depending on the player, some of these skills are transferable, while others might as well be the equivalent of learning a new language.
But let’s back up for a second. The bigger and more important question is whether or not the new quarterback would be better than the one the Rams already have. Mark Sanchez? Sorry, but at the end of the day, he’s no better or worse than Hill.
Sanchez may have pulled the wool over some people’s eyes these last three weeks while running Chip Kelly’s up-tempo offense against backups in preseason, but the fact remains that he never progressed in his three years under Schottenheimer in New York. Besides, according to this USA Today report, there’s apparently “no chance” that Sanchez would want to abandon his fresh start under Kelly for a shot to rejoin Schottenheimer in St. Louis. (No hard feelings, Mark – seriously.)
Hill has only attempted 16 passes over the past three seasons, but his career completion percentage is 61.9, his QB rating is 85.9 and his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 41:23. It’s highly unlikely that he’s going to come in and light it up, but he’s an upgrade over Kellen Clemens, whom the Rams won four games with a year ago when he was thrust into the starting lineup.
The bottom line, just as it was a year ago with Clemens, is that the Rams are going to win the games in which their rushing attack and defense dominate, and lose the games that put too much emphasis on Hill. The only difference is that Hill has a knack for making a big play from time to time, whereas Clemens was limited as a passer.
If things eventually unravel and Hill looks disastrous as the starter, the Rams may see how Austin Davis or rookie Garrett Gilbert handles the offense. If those options don’t sit right with you, remember that the Rams passed on LSU’s Zach Mettenberger, Alabama’s A.J. McCarron, Georgia’s Aaron Murray and Virginia Tech’s Logan Thomas when they were all available in the fourth round or later back in May.
In fact, that’s the only criticism I have for the Rams in the wake of Bradford’s second ACL injury. Why did they wait so long to address their need at quarterback in the draft? Hey, I get it – you trust Bradford. He worked his ass off to not only be ready for Week 1 of the regular season, but also for training camp. Over the past few weeks, he looked poised to repay Jeff Fisher and the Rams for their commitment, too.
I also understand why the team didn’t want to invest a top-41 pick in Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater or Jimmy Garoppolo. Had an Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III been available at No. 2 overall, then a debate could have been made well before the draft that the Rams should have moved on from Bradford. But “Johnny Football” won’t be confused with Andrew Luck anytime soon.
But I wrote and talked about it ad nauseam before the draft: I loved Mettenberger, who has put together a solid offseason in Tennessee. Granted, he too was coming off an ACL injury and had his faults, but the point is that the Rams would have had a solid developmental quarterback on their roster who played in a pro-style system under Cam Cameron at LSU. Maybe the Rams still would have gone with Hill to start the season, but in my eyes, they would have had a deeper pool of pro-ready talent to choose from.
All of that is moot now, of course, which gets back to the main point: Kurt Warner isn’t walking back through that door. Shaun Hill is your best short-term option.
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