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October 22, 2014 at 6:35 pm #10195TSRFParticipant
OK.
I have a 15 year old son who is a sophomore in High School. He’s a great kid, couldn’t ask for a better son: smart, tall (over 6 ft.), good looking, music kid (he was in the school Gold Jazz Band his first year (almost unheard of) and is a 1 trumpet in the Marching Band (3rd year, he was in it as an 8th Grader).
Anyway, he is in a Middle Eastern Studies course, taught by a 30 something teacher, let’s call him Mr. Dick. Mr. Dick admitted during parent / teacher night that he was a product of Catholic schooling; at least 1 through 8 (I went through this too, so I knew right there and then that we were dealing with damaged goods, here).
Anyway, the year starts good, my son John contributes and all that, and then one of the jocks starts calling my son out. They were talking about mummies, shithead kid yells out, “Hey, maybe we should turn John into a mummy!” Most kids in the class laughed, but so did Mr. Dick.
A similar thing happened, and John came home and finally told us about it. I told him to call out the shithead kid but he said he’d deal with it in his own way. To his credit, he did. The next time the kid said something, my son said he gave him the “death stare”. He said the kid couldn’t meet his eyes after a bit, and hasn’t been a problem since.
The real problem here is the teacher. Since those first few incidents when other people laughed at my son’s expense, the teacher has picked up where the shithead kid left off.
The end of last week, John usually sits next to Jason. Jason wasn’t in class yet. Mr. Dick, in front of the whole class says, “Hey, John. You and Jason are Bro’s, where is he?”
John said, “We’re not Bro’s I don’t know where he is.”
Two minutes later, Jason walked in and Mr. Dick said, “Hey, Jason, John said he isn’t your friend any more.”
My son and Jason both laughed it off because they know Mr. Dick is, well, a dick.
(Did I say my son is smart? He is taking honors physics and trig and English, and is getting high A’s in all of those). Anyway, he spent over 7 hrs on a PowerPoint for this history class and only got an 85. I reviewed it with him, and there were definitely things the teacher said were missing that were right there.
I told John to go in and point out the missed points.
So, he came home today, and I said, “Did you get credit for the points you missed out on?”.
He said, “No. Mr. Dick was true to form. I was studying the map of the Middle East, we have to know 25 countries for tomorrow’s quiz. Mr. Dick came over to me and said, “So, you’re studying the map. Should I add another country?” I said, “OK”. “He then raised his voice and said to the class, “John thinks I should add another country, you all have to know 26 countries for the quiz.”
John said he heard a lot of groans and got a few “Nice job, asshole” comments as he left the class.
I can tell this is REALLY bothering my son, so it is really bothering me and my wife (and my daughter too, but she’s off in college).
My wife wants to e-mail the teacher, I want to slash his tires, and my son wants to let it go until there is another incident.
Mr. Dick is a full of himself young teacher and probably doesn’t really mean any harm, but he jumps right in there with the jocks and laughs at the band kid.
This may sound like a lot of nothing to most of you, but I know my son is really upset by the feeling that he is becoming the butt of all his teacher’s jokes and my patience is running very thin.
Should I:
1) Let my wife send a Poison e-mail to the dick.
2) Call the dick and tell him he’s being a dick.
3) Coach my son to ask the dick to come out of the room and then say, “Why are you bullying me?”
4) Go nuclear and get the school administration involved.
5) Drink more beer, count to 1999 and say that this is just part of growing up and John is going to have to learn to live with douche bags so here is a good primer.
October 22, 2014 at 10:54 pm #10219znModeratorI have honestly no idea what to recommend, T. But I will say that meeting with the administration and voicing concerns is not going nuclear.
If I could offer any suggestions fwiw, it would be this. Is there a teacher there you’ve known from previous classes and trust? Ask to speak to him/her in complete confidence, and size up the situation. Is the administration blind to this teacher? Are there other complaints? In that particular building, what is the best path to take?
October 23, 2014 at 7:35 am #10237canadaramParticipantIt sounds like the only way this might change is if the issue is addressed with Mr. Dick, or his principal. If you do go to admin make sure that you are as specific about the incidents as you were here, and anticipate what Mr. Dick’s possible responses will be as well. I get the impression that Mr. Dick will just keep ramping it up if your son does anything that might show him up, or offend him. Also, Mr. Dick seems like the sensitive type who offends easily.
How would your son feel about you going to admin, or emailing Mr. Dick?
- This reply was modified 10 years ago by canadaram.
October 23, 2014 at 11:29 am #10243TSRFParticipantThanks, guys. Very good advice from both of you.
We are very close to another teacher in the History Dept who served as my daughter’s mentor on leadership and social justice issues. He had my son last year for Western Civ, so he knows exactly how he works. My concern is, if we go and tell him what’s been going on, HE’LL go nuclear (which, in the long run might not be a bad thing, but I’m not to the point that I want to get Mr. Fuckhead fired (yet)).
Anyway, my wife was in the middle of typing an e-mail to Mr. D last night, but my son stopped her. He said that if there are any more incidents, we can do what we want, but he wants another shot at handling the situation.
Then he remembered that he needs to inform all of his teachers that he is going to be on a band trip to the Naval Academy in Annapolis over Halloween and that he’ll be missing class on that Friday.
He sent an e-mail to Mr. Dick stating that he will miss Friday, 10/31/14 with the band, if there was any homework due or a test or quiz that day, please let him know and he’d get it in or take the test early. Then, the very last sentence he wrote, “By the way, Mr. Dick: Why are you always asking me in class where Jason is?” and signed off.
My son was happy last night because he looked at his schedule and saw that he didn’t have Middle Eastern Studies today. That in itself makes me sad, but we’ll see what happens on Friday. If the jack wagon doesn’t take the hint from the e-mail, or escalates, no holds barred, I’ll call in the cavalry.
October 23, 2014 at 4:28 pm #10264wvParticipantI’d write down my issues,
get them organized,
and then I’d meet with Mr D.w
vOctober 24, 2014 at 2:11 pm #10353TSRFParticipantThanks, WV.
You’d probably leave him shitting in his pants thinking he’d be litigated until the end of time if he didn’t change his ways.
I’m just a lowly Satellite Component Design Engineer, I don’t have those powers of persuasion…Kidding. That is exactly what we were planning on doing if things continued on the same path.
Anyway, the e-mail my son sent may have worked. At the end of his e-mail, he asked, “Why are you always asking me where Jason is?”
The teacher did get back, and answered his homework / test questions, and then added: “I thought you and Jason were friends, I guess I’m wrong. I won’t bother you anymore.”
I can only hope. The other thing we have going for us is that this is only a half year class. Come Christmas break, he’s done with Middle Eastern Studies.
Thanks, all. There are very few things that can get me this riled, but this was one of them!
October 24, 2014 at 5:18 pm #10369znModeratorHope it works out, T.
That’s a rotten situation to face for a kid.
Next time though…do not be the least bit hesitant about going to the administration.
Teachers are not paid to bully kids, and there are too many good teachers who are out of work to tolerate a bad one.
October 24, 2014 at 5:48 pm #10374GreatRamNTheSkyParticipantI would go to the teacher’s boss. Even teachers have bosses and maybe the boys VP or the Dean and have a conference and I would let them know that if there is not a complete change in Mr. Dick’s attitude then I am going to the school board and that I may consider civil or criminal action i.e. filing bullying charges with the DA’s office.
Grits
- This reply was modified 10 years ago by GreatRamNTheSky.
October 24, 2014 at 9:23 pm #10380ZooeyModeratorHi. I’m late to this conversation, but saw the invite.
If it were me, I would write an email to the teacher. I would do that for two reasons. Number one, I could be completely in control of my tone. I would be able to communicate the entire picture without interruption, and without forgetting anything. That’s important to me, but isn’t important to everybody. Some people just like to let loose. That isn’t my style; I want a measured communication. I don’t want to fight with the teacher. I want to make him understand a point of view.
The second reason I would write an email is that I would have a written response from the teacher. If he didn’t give me satisfaction, or continued in the same vein, I would have concrete material to present to the administration, and a parent with written documentation will have the administration bending over backwards to satisfy them, believe me. If ANYTHING happens after the email communication, you forward the emails to the principal with an explanation of the recent event, and ask for his/her help. Your issue will be handled that morning.
I don’t know the guy, obviously. He may think he is being cool and funny, and may be embarrassed to learn he is offending your son. But no teacher with any brains would have made your son the target of class irritation over the number of countries on the quiz. I can’t believe it. That is an incredibly ignorant thing to do. Still, I would give him one chance. Handle it “out of court,” so to speak.
October 24, 2014 at 11:52 pm #10384CrazylegsParticipantIMO…… What Zooey wrote. That’s what I would do & the e-mail starts a written record vs. the “he said” or I never said that” type of oral discourse.
October 25, 2014 at 1:18 am #10385znModeratorJuuuuussssssssst in case you didn’t know this T: Zooey is a high school teacher.
October 25, 2014 at 8:51 am #10395nittany ramModeratorHi. I’m late to this conversation, but saw the invite.
If it were me, I would write an email to the teacher. I would do that for two reasons. Number one, I could be completely in control of my tone. I would be able to communicate the entire picture without interruption, and without forgetting anything. That’s important to me, but isn’t important to everybody. Some people just like to let loose. That isn’t my style; I want a measured communication. I don’t want to fight with the teacher. I want to make him understand a point of view.
The second reason I would write an email is that I would have a written response from the teacher. If he didn’t give me satisfaction, or continued in the same vein, I would have concrete material to present to the administration, and a parent with written documentation will have the administration bending over backwards to satisfy them, believe me. If ANYTHING happens after the email communication, you forward the emails to the principal with an explanation of the recent event, and ask for his/her help. Your issue will be handled that morning.
I don’t know the guy, obviously. He may think he is being cool and funny, and may be embarrassed to learn he is offending your son. But no teacher with any brains would have made your son the target of class irritation over the number of countries on the quiz. I can’t believe it. That is an incredibly ignorant thing to do. Still, I would give him one chance. Handle it “out of court,” so to speak.
Yeah, I agree with this. I would initially give the teacher the benefit of the doubt. He may not realize what he is doing to your son in his attempts at being funny. Unfortunately there are teachers who may have forgotten what their primary purpose is and in their efforts at being liked or considered cool fail to maintain a professional demeanor. It could be that he has nothing personal against your son. He’s just a convenient target. Not that this should excuse his actions. He sounds like a real dick.
So do what zooey said to do. If that doesn’t work, wait for him after school. Come up behind him and inject a small dose of Etorphine into his carotid artery. Take his unconscious body to some hidden spot where you can work uninterrupted. Cellophane him to a table and make sure you are standing over him with a large knife when he wakes up. Then explain to him why he is there and what you plan to do about it.
October 25, 2014 at 10:40 am #10401CrazylegsParticipantI thought that was still the case! 🙂
October 25, 2014 at 12:29 pm #10410joemadParticipantGreat thread, thanks sharing.
Good suggestion by Zooey.
Hopefully it will help the teacher in the long run to treat his students in the future fairly.
October 25, 2014 at 4:52 pm #10418TSRFParticipantThank you all for your comments.
Thanks, Zack, for putting the link on the Football board.
It is amazing how many of you just nailed this guy: arrogant but insecure; sensitive to his own feelings, but mean to others.My wife and I did the open house in September. We got to walk my son’s schedule and meet with all of his teachers in their rooms for about 10 minutes. Dick seemed nervous, but also arrogant too, the type of guy that would teach “the facts” per the textbook without much room for debate. I remember him saying something to the effect that, “Now that your children are in High School, they should deal with their issues as young adults, by themselves.” At the time, that just went in one ear and out the other, but isn’t that what bullies usually say, “Don’t tell.”?
The other point is, this is the only sophomore class he teaches. Every other class is freshmen. I don’t think he is used to backtalk (he is pretty physically imposing, probably about 6 ft 3, 220 lbs).
I can only hope my son questioning his behavior made him stop and think. The way he ended his e-mail “I won’t bother you any more.” has us hoping that that is the case.
We’ll see what Monday brings.
October 26, 2014 at 9:22 am #10443DakParticipantLooks like Zooey gave you a really good course of action … and so did Nittany. 🙂
I’ll just say that I would never consider going to the administration the “nuclear option.” Put yourself in administration’s shoes. They can’t do anything with the teacher if they don’t know there is an issue.
November 1, 2014 at 7:45 pm #10980TSRFParticipantSo it has been a full week, no further incidents.
Maybe my son’s e-mail where he questioned the teacher’s behavior was enough to make him back off.
Either he is really sensitive and backed off because he doesn’t want to get in trouble, or, (hoping) he did a little self examination of his actions and realized he was being a jerk.
If things stay as they are, I’m going to wait until my son is done with the class in December, get his grade (and it better be an “A”, the kid has a 97 in Honors Physics and a high 90 in Trig), and then I’ll talk to Mr. Dick.
I think I owe it to his future students to have a talk with him and let him know how shitty he made my son feel.
I’ve really relaxed here, and don’t feel the hate I was when I wrote the original post.
As I said in that post, the guy is a product of 8 years of Catholic school and is most likely socially retarded. I’m almost thinking in his warped way, he was trying to bring my son into his circle by picking on him.
Maybe he lives by the “golden rule”: Treat others as you want to be treated.
In reality, he should be acting according to the “platinum rule”: Treat others as they want to be treated.
Thanks to all,
Matt
November 2, 2014 at 10:46 am #10999znModeratorKeep us updated.
Though to be fair, Mr. Dick is Mr. Dick. He’s an individual. I know people who came from catholic schools who do not have his issues.
I went to a jesuit prep school myself. So I think that factor has less explanatory weight than you seem to be giving it.
November 14, 2014 at 6:03 pm #11840TSRFParticipantZack, I was being a bit tongue in cheek with the Catholic schooling thing, but I went through 12 years of it, my last 4 being at a Jesuit all boys High School. So speaking from experience, I can say that an experience like that can socially retard you…
Anyway, things had remained kind of status quo for a while, but my son has been different. The other night, I asked him, “Which class today was the most mentally taxing?” He said, “Middle Eastern, ’cause I had to sit there and ignore the asshole.”
This is only a half year course, so it is over before Christmas. My wife even started a count down for how many classes he has left.
I’ve been really torn because my son has asked several times that we not get involved. Anyway, it all came to a tipping point last night. Our next door neighbor is a guidance councilor in anther town. My son has an after school job of letting her dog out. She just called out of the blue and asked how his Sophmore year was going. My wife didn’t hold back, and explained the entire situation.
When my wife told her that she was saying things to our son like, “Well, he probably had a tough upbringing” she stopped her right there and said, “You never, EVER have to make excuses for teachers. They are paid professionals and are expected to behave as such.”
She then told us we had to contact his guidance councilor and tell her what is going on (she has three kids who went through our High School, all in their 20’s so she knows my son’s guidance councilor.
Meanwhile, my son had a presentation due in the class, and he put in over 20 hrs on a poster, a pater and a Power Point to make sure he nailed it. He presented this morning and got a 96 (which raised his grade to a 91; he’s got a 97 in Physics).
So, after we explained everything to the councilor, she wants to meet with my son on Monday. Then she suggested he meet with the teacher. We said, “No way!”. She then said she would sit in on the student teacher-meeting, but it would be all up to my son.
We haven’t told him yet; he has an audition for Jazz trumpet for CT Western Regional tomorrow and then his Marching Band is going to Met Life Stadium in NJ for nationals.
We’re going to tell him Sunday. He may want to not take it past a meeting with the councilor, which is fine with us, but I am going to impress on him that he needs top voice his feelings to her so that the admin can be on notice (when I first wanted to confront the teacher, my son said, “But he’ll just start picking on somebody else.” Pretty deep for a 15 year old; I’d have been happy not to be picked on anymore and leave the next kid hanging.
More to follow, I’m sure…
November 15, 2014 at 12:38 am #11845znModeratorThanks for the update and hope all works out well.
In fact be sure to follow up!
I got that you were being mostly tongue in cheek btw.
But yeah…jesuit prep school…I got stories too….
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