Rams and NFL Regarding Los Angeles.

Grits–as per my custom, I am going to collect all of the Rams to LA posts into one thread. That is, rather than a few different threads on the same issue, it’s better to have one that keeps getting added to. I won’t do it though till I hear from you. Do you have a title you want to give that thread? Thanks…zn

All fixed, I think.

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He could decide to move. My feeling is that its his preference to stay but he’s shrewd and pushing up the ante in STL. Very smart business dude. He reveals no cards at anytime – just lets others notice what he does.

Well, we already know that the Rose Bowl could be used for a year… potentially. The city leaders would love it and residents would hate it, but it would bring in tons of revenue to Pasadena and the NFL already has approved the Rose Bowl for Super Bowls in the past and it’s an “approved” venue in that respect.

Inglewood is a MUCH better site than Irwindale where the Raiders were considering building or the City of Industry where one of the big stadiums was looking at being built.

If you’re going to build in SoCal, you have to build near the money and that’s westside…Beverly Hills, Malibu, Pacific Palisades, Santa Monica….etc. Plus, it’s not THAT far from the valley money, be it San Marino in the San Gabriel valley or Studio City in the San Fernando Valley.

I can see the Rams moving to LA, but probably not before 2017 or 2018. Takes time for these things to happen. That said, I can see the Rams, if it were to happen, moving there and playing in Pasadena in 2016.

Stadiums take time to build, especially the billion dollar, state of the art, “return to LA”, Premiere NFL showcase type stadium venues like what would likely be built.

So I expect IF…IF things go the way of LA, it will happen very deliberately.

I think its pretty obvious now how this going to go.

Well, you will get disagreement though. Not so much resistance. I personally am not that engaged in the topic; however, I personally don’t think there’s anything to it. It’s not an issue where I get drawn to discussing the details so I am just offering a general opinion based on things I saw and heard in regular discussion. I don’t think the Rams are bound for California or ever will be. I don’t see anything in this latest round of details that convinces me otherwise.

So, I am just putting up an IMO post.

The reason the Rams will move to LA is the same reason they moved to St Louis – $$MONEY$$

Georgia, at the time, moved the Rams to St.Louis for what was a extremely lucrative deal for her and basically a one sided deal that favored her and the Rams. St.Louis, not so much. $$MONEY$$ All profit for her.

Stan, let’s not forget, is a big time business man. In the top of the top when it comes to making money in this country. It’s all about money for him. It’s not about a loyalty to a city or area of the country. He’s sees what is the big prize of the NFL in the future – and it’s a franchise in LA. No way he passes up that opportunity when he is positioned perfectly to make that move. Big time $$MONEY$$ awaits Stan in LA and in it’s diverse income revenue streams.

Later my Friends…

• This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by Ram Rock.

Ram Rock wrote:

The reason the Rams will move to LA is the same reason they moved to St Louis – $$MONEY$$

Georgia, at the time, moved the Rams to St.Louis for what was a extremely lucrative deal for her and basically a one sided deal that favored her and the Rams. St.Louis, not so much. $$MONEY$$ All profit for her.

Stan, let’s not forget, is a big time business man. In the top of the top when it comes to making money in this country. It’s all about money for him. It’s not about a loyalty to a city or area of the country. He’s sees what is the big prize of the NFL in the future – and it’s a franchise in LA. No way he passes up that opportunity when he is positioned perfectly to make that move. Big time $$MONEY$$ awaits Stan in LA and in it’s diverse income revenue streams.

Later my Friends…

Well if i were really all about money, i might agree,
but i wonder if it really is. Stan is from the Midwest.
He doesnt seem like the kinda guy that wants to be
hated by his Midwestern tribe. I dont think he
is a carbon copy of Georgia by any means.

It’s really impossible to tell the future on this one.

Its up in the air. Hovering. The future is unclear.
Its an enigma covered with fog,
waiting silently, in the harbor.

Today is “mountainFest” in Motown, btw. A gazillion-thousand mongols on motorcycles
descend on my town for four days. With their vibrating chrome Hoggs.
If i had a flame-thrower,
you would see me on the news.
Alas, i do not have
a flamethrower.

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“…MountainFest is the biggest event that Morgantown has. It’s like a four-day long WVU football game for bikers, and by “football game” we just mean the drunken tailgating beforehand. From July 24-28 at Mylan Park, bikers drive in from all over the nation to the party capital of the America to see half-naked girls in leather dry hump a Harley. Don’t get us wrong; they come for the live music and motorcycle stuff too, but mainly all the beer and half-naked chick – See more at: http://theblacksheeponline.com/article/your-morgantown-festival-guide#sthash.1VxQvYtK.dpuf …”

• This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by wv.

I agree wv, that Georgia and Stan are polar opposites in 99.9 percent in about who they are. But both had/have a love of money. Georgia in a “gold digger” way, devoid of any true capitalistic skills to earn her fortune other than marrying Carrol R. and surrounding herself with lawyers and accountants. Stan on the other hand is corporate america incarnate! Don’t let that hokey, “I am from the midwest” fool you, the only loyalty he has is to making loads and loads of cash. He and his wife (of the Walton family) are top of the food chain corporate billionare capitalists loyal to the accumulation of money. Sadly, St.Louis fans will see that reality in the next couple years.

Guys like silent Stan don’t get to where they are by being satisfied with status quo and middle of the pack status among the NFL’s billionaire club having a franchise in St.Louis. That club is a paternalistic good ole boy network where each owner’s team is an extention of his/their manhood. No amount of financial “Viagra” from St.Louis is going to make up for the “Big Stick” Stan will have once he moves the Rams to LA.

Question is: Who is gonna win the sword fight between him and Jerry Jones for biggest stick?! 😉 LOL

Hmmmm invasion of the Motorcycles eh Wv? Something tells me that those hoards won’t be drinking tea and visiting the libraries! 😉

Later Brother…

• This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by Ram Rock.

I know right? If I would just have followed the camp reports, my post wouldn’t have taken the path of that ugly visual of Stan Kroenke and Jerry Jones sword fighting with their big stadiums as phallic symbols! 😉 LOL

Now off to read some Rams first day of camp reports to get my mind right! 🙂

Later Bro…

GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

ZN, hard for me to buy what you have stated. Anyone who has followed this for the last two years can name you dozens of reasons the Rams will move back to LA.

Grits

Well my statement was, that I saw it a certain way. Basically, as not invested in the issue and not wanting to get bogged down in it but as skeptical that they will move.

I also read people who have very good arguments and dozens of reasons why they won’t. That tends to happen on the PD board, among the (faction) of good posters there. Well-informed people with good arguments, too.

I’m officially a neutral on it because I am a nomad, neither in S.Cal nor St.Louis, and so only have drive-by opinions on the issue. I also notice that quite often the topic can become heated, because of the passions it causes, so I tend to stay out of it.

So really, I just delivered a “kwik view” and that was it. I just don’t post much about this, and probably won’t in the forseeable future.

Fair enough?

First of all ZN where is the money coming from

One guy who’s good on all this and knows the details well and likes to debate it is SOKA on the PD board.

Honestly, he’s the guy you want. I just drop the rare IMO bomb on this issue and then stay out of it.

back in 94 when talks of the RAMS leaving So Cal for Baltimore, Hartford or STL…. I remember thinking team value in these smaller markets…… no way that the RAMS would be worth more in the long term in these markets… that’s why I thought the RAMS would never leave So Cal for these markets….

Nonetheless…..Stan was instrumental in getting the RAMS to move to STL rather than Balt or Hartford………. not sure if Stan wanted a team in STL, or if he was looking long term for sole NFL ownership of the team, or both….. Congratss to Georgia and Shaw for stuffin their own pockets with a short term business plan.

Stan’s M.O. in team ownership with the Arsenal and The Nuggets is owning the venue that the team plays in.. If the CVC is broke, I would think STL is open to Stan owning the venue……… Despite Stan buying land in So Cal, i’m not sure if LA or the NFL is open to venue ownership in So Cal as Stan has with the Arsenal and Nuggets.

So Cal needs to lure and continue to sell the market value of having an NFL team in LA to Stan and allow Stan to own the facility for his RAMS to play in. …i’m not sure So Cal can group and ralley the local city entities to do that….

I think most business minded folks would see the benefits of having an NFL team in the 2nd largest market in the country opposed the 18th market, but it depends how motivated these places are to lure or to keep Stan.