goff's fumble

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December 11, 2017 at 6:32 pm #78765

InvaderRam
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i just want to say one thing about this. i do think goff has to be more mindful of situations. the rams had a lead. protecting the ball was of utmost importance.

still.

to put this in perspective.

on the season.

goff 418 pass attempts 5 fumbles 2 lost

other qbs.

tom brady 438 pass attempts 7 fumbles 3 lost
matt ryan 417 pass attempts 4 fumbles 3 lost
drew brees 442 pass attempts 4 fumbles 0 lost
carson wentz 440 pass attempts 9 fumbles 3 lost

December 11, 2017 at 7:14 pm #78768

Zooey
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Good perspective.

Personally. I just thought it was a really good play by Chris Long. Nothing wrong with the call. Nothing wrong with how Goff held it.

Just a really good play by Long.

I think we too often tend to see things always from a Fan point of view. I mean…if it had been Quinn who did that to Wentz…we wouldn’t all be writing about how Wentz held the ball too long, or how that was a bad play call, or how the OT was a backup. We would be talking about how great Quinn was.

Long just made a really good play.

December 11, 2017 at 7:34 pm #78769

InvaderRam
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Zooey wrote:

Long just made a really good play.

that’s also a great point. and i agree.

not so much a bad play by goff but just a really good play by long. could goff have made a better play? maybe. i read over at the herd that goff got a little bit of tunnel vision there and missed a guy coming across the middle. i don’t know. could be. but yeah. that was also just a good play by the opposing team.

overall goff has made way more good plays than bad. and he can get better. he’s young.

December 11, 2017 at 7:40 pm #78770

wv
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I dunno. I tend to think that one was a “good play by Chris Long” and a “bad play by Goff”. Both. I think a more seasoned QB does not allow that strip-sack to happen in that situation.

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December 11, 2017 at 8:33 pm #78774

zn
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Ir just gets down to what these young Rams need to get hold of.

A couple of times now teams like Seattle and Phil made plays when they had to, and the Rams didn’t.

Long made a play there. Goff didn’t.

December 11, 2017 at 8:35 pm #78775

Zooey
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Okay. You know, if Brockers had got his hand an inch more over on that play, Wentz wouldn’t have completed that pass.

I don’t remember the drive that happened, but it was near the end of the game.

And Brockers just got enough on Wentz that the spiral on the pass was affected, but not the trajectory. Another inch over…and that pass might have been incomplete, or intercepted.

That’s not Brockers or Wentz or the playcall or the blocking. That’s just what fucking happened.

I don’t know.

December 11, 2017 at 8:57 pm #78778
InvaderRam
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and if the refs would have called holding on the eagles oline, maybe the rams dline woulda been there to make more plays on carson. haha.

i don’t think this fumble was as bad as the gurley fumble against seattle although he might have held onto the ball a little too long.

goff actually made worse plays than that during the game. i think he easily should have thrown 2 interceptions yesterday if not for the eagles defender having hands of stone.

those were worse plays than the fumble at the end. he just got lucky. and the defender did not make a good play.
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December 11, 2017 at 8:57 pm #78779

zn
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zn wrote:

A couple of times now teams like Seattle and Phil made plays when they had to, and the Rams didn’t.

Zooey wrote:

That’s not Brockers or Wentz or the playcall or the blocking. That’s just what fucking happened.

This is what I like about our board.

We’re discussing 1 football play, and it leads to a debate between existential and fatalistic worldviews.

December 11, 2017 at 10:13 pm #78782

Cal
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InvaderRam wrote:

i just want to say one thing about this. i do think goff has to be more mindful of situations. the rams had a lead. protecting the ball was of utmost importance.

still.

to put this in perspective.

on the season.

goff 418 pass attempts 5 fumbles 2 lost

other qbs.

tom brady 438 pass attempts 7 fumbles 3 lost
matt ryan 417 pass attempts 4 fumbles 3 lost
drew brees 442 pass attempts 4 fumbles 0 lost
carson wentz 440 pass attempts 9 fumbles 3 lost

I was begging for McVay to run the football there. The OC also has a lot of responsibility for protecting the ball, playing it a little safe, and protecting the lead. Especially when you have a young, inexperienced QB like Goff.

The other lost fumble, fwiw, came against Seattle in the 4th quarter when McVay dialed up 47 Goff passes and 14 Gurley runs even though the Rams only trailed by 3 with 3 minutes left in that game.

I hope someone sits McVay down and has him watch the last quarter of last year’s super bowl and Russell Wilson’s int on the goal line against the Pats in SB 49.

December 11, 2017 at 11:13 pm #78785

Herzog
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Yeah… Gurley

December 12, 2017 at 12:22 am #78787

InvaderRam
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i do think this was a game where gurley’s touches needed to be cranked up given how he was running. i don’t think it’s a sound long-term plan for using gurley, but this was a game where yeah. you use him more.

but overall, i have no problem with how mcvay has used gurley this season. he can’t be the workhorse every game. that’s a good way to run him into the ground.

December 12, 2017 at 12:38 am #78788

zn
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Whatever we think of using Gurley or not, this was the situation on the sack/fumble.

They were ahead 35-34. Ball was at the Rams 35 and it was 1st and 10 with 8:25 to go in the game.

Before that in the second half, the Rams had scored on 2 drives previous to that (their only 2 drives in the half up to that point). Plus there was the blocked punt. So that was 21 points in 1 1/2 quarters.

But that was the situation. Ahead 35-34, 8:25 to go, 1st and 10 on the Rams 35.

That can all be interpreted a thousand ways. The positive view, to me, is that they had come back from 21-14 after the half and scored 21 points to take the lead against a tough team with a lot at stake in the game. I bet no one expected that before the 2nd half started. It’s not a moral victory but it is a sign they can play with anyone. That was a close game and they were in it.

December 12, 2017 at 7:06 am #78791

wv
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Zooey wrote:

That’s not Brockers or Wentz or the playcall or the blocking. That’s just what fucking happened.

I don’t know.

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Tom Mack still hasnt moved. Thats all i know.

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December 12, 2017 at 10:07 am #78801

Zooey
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wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

That’s not Brockers or Wentz or the playcall or the blocking. That’s just what fucking happened.

I don’t know.

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Tom Mack still hasnt moved. Thats all i know.

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Is that the Worst Ref Call in Rams’ history?

I can’t think of a worse call.

There have to be contenders, but I can’t even think of any right now. Of course, the older I’ve got, the more I’ve learned to accept bad calls as “bad bounces,” so they may not stick with me with the same force.

December 12, 2017 at 1:29 pm #78820

Herzog
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yeah, Good point ZN. When the Rams lose, they barely lose. It’s a great sign. Now it’s all about how they handle the injuries, and how they grow from these losses.

Hindsight is 20/20, so post fumble, all other options seem obvious.

I’m very comfortable with Mcvay’s ability to learn from all situations and correct it.

I think the depression is starting to wear off.
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