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December 21, 2017 at 4:01 am #79263
znModeratorDecember 21, 2017 at 4:02 am #79264znModeratorDecember 21, 2017 at 3:37 pm #79281znModeratorRams QB Jared Goff accomplishing ‘a complete 180’
Alden Gonzalez
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Jared Goff isn’t officially a Pro Bowler yet, but he probably will be eventually. And that in itself is astounding when considering where the Los Angeles Rams’ quarterback found himself at this time last year, finishing a tumultuous rookie season that went down as one of the worst in recent memory.
Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson, who has consistently defended Goff, will tell you he is “not surprised at all” by his teammate’s turnaround.
“I said it at the beginning that he was going to make a complete 180. Personally, in my opinion, he should’ve been selected first team, too. But he’s been doing a great job, man, with this whole team.”
Goff is a first alternate for the Pro Bowl, which means he is the first option to replace Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, who suffered a torn ACL in the Week 14 game against the Rams.
Goff, 23, might eventually find his way onto the roster, thus completing a stunning turnaround.
From 2016 to 2017, Goff has made significant improvements in completion percentage (54.6 to 62.4), yards per attempt (5.3 to 8.0), touchdown-to-interception ratio (0.71 to 3.43) and Total QBR (18.3 to 52.9). He has thrown for 3,503 yards, 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions this season. The Rams currently have five Pro Bowl representatives, their most since 2003, and Goff could join the group, too.
The NFC quarterbacks are Wentz, the Seattle Seahawks’ Russell Wilson and the New Orleans Saints’ Drew Brees. As an alternate, Goff would be considered a Pro Bowler only if he accepts the invitation to replace Wentz. And only an appearance in the Super Bowl — or, of course, injury — would prevent him from playing in the game if he so chooses.
Goff called it “a huge honor,” but “very much so a team award.”
“You look around the league at the top amount of guys teams have, and most teams that have all the guys in the Pro Bowl are better teams,” said Goff, his team 10-4 and on the verge of clinching the NFC West. “Most of the time it is a reflection of the team, and that’s no different with my selection there.”
Goff wasn’t just being modest; he is in many ways the personification of how a player benefits from improved circumstances.
Goff is running a more innovative, quarterback-friendly scheme designed by first-year head coach Sean McVay. He’s operating behind a significantly improved offensive line, thanks to the offseason additions of left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan. And he’s throwing to a better group of receivers, including newcomers Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp.
But Goff himself has made significant strides as well. The former No. 1 overall pick has felt the game slow down for him in his second year.
“It happens at every level, in high school and college and now in the pros,” Goff said. “The first season is learning a lot, and then the second season it starts to settle down, and it continues to go that way as time goes on.”
Before he became the Rams’ coach, McVay was impressed by Goff’s ability to “make all the throws,” even in times when he didn’t benefit from a clean pocket. He saw it while watching film from a game against the New Orleans Saints in the 11th week of Goff’s rookie season, when Goff threw three touchdown passes in the first half. Goff struggled in other weeks, but McVay was still impressed by his willingness to absorb hits in order to complete throws. And while meeting with Goff for the first time, McVay was moved by how he took accountability, didn’t deflect blame and wanted to be coached.
Then the season played out.
“And I couldn’t be more impressed with just the way that Jared consistently carries himself throughout the week and the way that he handles the games,” McVay said. “He’s just so even-keeled, and I think that demeanor rubs off on his teammates.”
Goff sat behind Case Keenum for the first nine games of the 2016 season. When Goff finally started competing against the first-team defense in practice, Johnson saw someone who could make throws all over the field and occasionally make things happen outside of the pocket. In the offseason, he saw someone who was taking more ownership of the offense and making it a point to build chemistry with new receivers.
“I talked to him a couple times, too,” Johnson said, “and I just felt he was ready.”
Rams offensive lineman Rodger Saffold also said he was “not stunned” about Goff’s turnaround.
“I knew that he was going to pick up his game a lot after the struggles that we had last year,” Saffold said. “I think that humbled him enough to want to go out and play really well this year.”
Saffold started to see signs that Goff’s accuracy was improving during organized team activities. He noticed the extra work Goff was putting in and saw his confidence continue to increase. Goff initially needed to learn how to take snaps from under center, adjust to the speed of this level and grasp the intricacies of an NFL offense. Over time, it became clear that he also needed more help. But teammates never questioned his talent.
“The guy went No. 1,” Rams running back Todd Gurley said earlier this season. “Dude don’t go No. 1 for no reason.”
Asked about Goff on Wednesday, McVay said the Rams “feel very good about our future at that position with him leading the way,” a sentence that seems to roll off the tongue a lot easier now. Goff ranks among the top 10 in passing yards, yards per attempt, touchdowns, touchdown-to-interception ratio and passer rating (98.9).
He could become the 14th quarterback to make the Pro Bowl at age 23 or younger, according to research from the Elias Sports Bureau — but that wasn’t really a goal heading in.
“I just wanted to try and get better every day and focus on every week, trying to improve and let everything fall where it may at the end of year,” Goff said. “It’s something I’m very honored by, but not necessarily something I’m going to hang my hat on. There’s a lot bigger things I want to do as a team and personally.”
December 21, 2017 at 5:38 pm #79284znModeratorCarson Wentz, Jared Goff among top young QBs to build around
Gil Brandt
When the 2017 NFL playoffs begin, young quarterback talent will be center stage. Half of the 12 teams that would currently be in if the postseason began today feature quarterbacks who are 28 or under, while the current top seed in the NFC — the Eagles — were led for most of the season by a 24-year-old in his second season as a pro.
So as some teams get ready for playoff battle while others look ahead to the future, I thought I’d rank the young quarterbacks in the NFL according to who I’d build a franchise around. To keep the field truly young, I limited my scan to players who will be 26 or younger as of Sept. 1, 2018. I also wanted to focus on players who have provided a fair amount of game tape to evaluate this season, so I cut out anyone who didn’t start at least three games in 2017. Thus, you won’t see Cam Newton (28 years old) or rookie Patrick Mahomes (zero appearances) discussed here.
NOTE: I’ve evaluated all 14 QBs who fit my criteria, though the bottom four are listed in alphabetical order, as I don’t currently expect any of them to turn into franchise quarterbacks.
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Carson Wentz
QB
Eagles
This is a rare talent. Wentz, 24, has everything you need to be a successful quarterback in the NFL, and guys like that just don’t come around very often. He’s tough, athletic and strong. The thing that impressed me the most about his second pro season was how well he played on third down. There are usually more defensive backs on the field on third down, making it that much harder to complete a pass, but Wentz put together off-the-charts, third-down numbers: a 65.3 percent completion rate with a league-high passer rating of 123.7. I think his torn ACL was more of a freak injury than the result of something endemic to the way he plays, and I expect he’ll recover fully and be the same aggressive player when he returns, as willing to take off and run as ever.
2017 stats: 13 games | 60.2 pct | 3,296 pass yds | 7.5 ypa | 33 pass TD | 7 INT | 299 rush yds | 0 rush TD
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Jared Goff
QB
Rams
First-year coach Sean McVay has really unlocked the 23-year-old Goff’s potential. The No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft has always been talented, and he has many of the inherent traits you look for in a potential franchise QB, including accuracy — he can throw the ball in a peach basket from about 40 yards away. But when I watched Rams practice from the sideline ahead of their game in Dallas earlier this season, I was shocked by just how much Goff had improved since his rookie training camp, especially in the areas of footwork and quickness of delivery. Goff’s success is not all due to coaching; you can’t just throw anyone on the Rams and expect him to succeed at the level Goff has. But a good coach will put you in position to match your strengths against the opponent’s weaknesses, and that’s what McVay is doing with Goff, to stupendous effect.
2017 stats: 14 games | 62.4 pct | 3,503 pass yds | 8.0 ypa | 24 pass TD | 7 INT
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Deshaun Watson
QB
Texans
Watson, 22, played less than half a season before suffering a torn ACL in practice in early November, but even in that relatively short time span, he answered every question I had about his ability. Dismissed by some as not being “ready to play,” Watson took the league by storm after seizing the Texans’ starting job, highlighted by his 402-yard, four touchdown effort against a Seahawks defense that, don’t forget, still had the services of a healthy Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor. Watson has rare athletic ability and spins a tight spiral, and he’s a great character guy with outstanding football IQ. He doesn’t have the strongest arm, but if he’s in the right system — one that relies more on play-action passes than the QB’s ability to make big-armed downfield throws — he’ll win you plenty of games.
2017 stats: 7 games | 61.8 pct | 1,699 pass yds | 8.3 ypa | 19 pass TD | 8 INT | 269 rush yds | 2 rush TD
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Marcus Mariota
QB
Titans
Mariota, 24, is not having a good season. But I honestly just love this guy. He’s an athletic player with outstanding speed and accuracy. In my opinion, the Titans’ run-oriented offense is not taking advantage of what Mariota can do best. Tennessee should be spreading the field and putting Mariota in position to win with his elusiveness and vision. Frankly, I think his struggles — including a career high interception total — can be blamed more on scheme than on Mariota’s decision-making. If he were in an offense that maximized his mobility, I don’t think he’d be turning the ball over at nearly the same level. Mariota is tough, mature and, in the right system, capable of taking a team to the Super Bowl.
2017 stats: 13 games | 62.8 pct | 2,823 pass yds | 7.2 ypa | 12 pass TD | 14 INT | 228 rush yds | 5 rush TD
5
Dak Prescott
QB
Cowboys
Prescott’s second season has not gone as swimmingly as his dazzling debut campaign, but I think that can be blamed more on a lack of support in the receiver corps and the absence of running back Ezekiel Elliott for six games. The 24-year-old Prescott is very smart and accurate, and he’s got great work habits. If Elliott had been available for a full season, Prescott would likely have helped push Dallas into the same competitive neighborhood as Minnesota and Philadelphia. He’s someone who can be a Super Bowl-winning QB in the future.
2017 stats: 14 games | 63.4 pct | 2,964 pass yds | 7.0 ypa | 21 pass TD | 11 INT | 320 rush yds | 6 rush TD
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Jimmy Garoppolo
QB
49ers
What Garoppolo — who will turn 27 next November — has accomplished in the last three weeks leads me to believe he’s the kind of quarterback who can take you to the Super Bowl. To win three games in a row while posting nearly 9 yards per attempt on a team that is average at best is very, very good. He doesn’t have any demonstrable weaknesses, really. He’s not as athletic as most of the quarterbacks ranked ahead of him here, and the body of work he’s put forth so far is relatively limited. But he’s the best quarterback of the 2014 class and should keep San Francisco on the right track.
2017 stats: 4 games | 68.7 pct | 1,026 pass yds | 8.9 ypa | 3 pass TD | 2 INT
7
Blake Bortles
QB
JaguarsBortles, 25, has played well lately, but he still has moments that make you shake your head. He has the ideal size, athletic ability and arm strength to develop into a franchise QB — but he’s not there yet. Having Nathaniel Hackett, who is very good at teaching the fundamentals of the West Coast offense, as his offensive coordinator has benefitted Bortles greatly. The Jaguars’ stellar defense, which provides Bortles with advantageous field position, also helps. Bortles doesn’t throw a tight spiral — but then, neither did Peyton Manning.
2017 stats: 14 games | 61.0 pct | 3,147 pass yds | 7.2 ypa | 19 pass TD | 8 INT | 282 rush yds | 2 rush TD
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Jameis Winston
QB
BuccaneersWinston, 23, has been hampered some by injury issues this season. He has the skill set necessary for success, but he also has a long release and gets involved in too many bad plays. I’m concerned about his ability to accept coaching, given that he hasn’t performed well this season despite the presence of Dirk Koetter, who’s good at working with QBs, on the sideline. Winston has plenty of potential, but will he make the changes needed to become a championship-caliber player?
2017 stats: 11 games | 64.0 pct | 2,774 pass yds | 7.6 ypa | 17 pass TD | 8 INT
9
Mitchell Trubisky
QB
BearsTrubisky, 23, is athletic and has a quick release. I don’t think he’ll be the kind of quarterback who can carry a team to the Super Bowl by himself, but he should be able to get you to the playoffs. I have some concern about his field presence, but he throws with good velocity and has above-average speed. The bottom line is, he’s won three games with a Bears team that basically has no pass-catchers to speak of. Trubisky is an ascending player whose best football is ahead of him.
2017 stats: 10 games | 59.8 pct | 1,822 pass yds | 6.7 ypa | 7 pass TD | 7 INT | 202 rush yds | 1 rush TD
10
Jacoby Brissett
QB
ColtsBrissett, 24, is a pretty good passer and a good athlete with the physical tools to develop into a quarterback who can help take a team to the playoffs — though not by himself, and certainly not with the supporting cast he has on a bad team in Indy. Brissett is not exceptionally fast, but he’s a long strider, which helps him pick up yards and run away from people.
2017 stats: 14 games | 59.6 pct | 2,769 pass yds | 6.7 ypa | 11 pass TD | 7 INT | 234 rush yds | 4 rush TD
DON’T EXPECT MUCH
11
C.J. Beathard
QB
49ers2017 stats: 7 games | 54.9 pct | 1,430 pass yds | 6.4 ypa | 4 pass TD | 6 INT
12
Brett Hundley
QB
Packers2017 stats: 9 games | 63.9 pct | 1,534 pass yds | 6.1 ypa | 8 pass TD | 8 INT | 207 rush yds | 2 rush TD
13
DeShone Kizer
QB
Browns2017 stats: 13 games | 53.9 pct | 2,398 pass yds | 5.8 ypa | 9 pass TD | 19 INT | 350 rush yds | 5 rush TD
14
Trevor Siemian
QB
Broncos2017 stats: 11 games | 59.0 pct | 2,285 pass yds | 6.5 ypa | 12 pass TD | 14 INT
Each of the players listed above — listed IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER — lacks something. Beathard (24) is a strong passer but not a great runner. Hundley (24) is a good runner but not a great passer. Kizer (21) has some talent but might have benefited from staying in school one more year. Siemian (25) has stumbled after a promising 2016 season.December 21, 2017 at 6:09 pm #79286
ZooeyModeratorJust as everybody who was calling Goff a bust last year was a moron, I think people suggesting Goff is MVP-worthy this year are also off their rockers.
I don’t remember anyone here calling him a bust, but I don’t have a sharp memory for who said what on the board. I don’t even know what I said half the time.
But it was pretty obvious to anybody who actually watched the Rams last year that Goff’s poor performance had more to do with a lack of WRs and OL than with his NFL worthiness.
Similarly, anyone watching this year can see that he has made good progress as a QB, but still needs seasoning. As someone may or may not have said somewhere else on this board, Goff hasn’t “elevated” the team himself. He has been a pretty sure-handed shepherd for this team, but he isn’t the reason they have had a dramatic turnaround. He’s part of the picture, but really McVay and the OL are the story this year…and maybe Woods and Kupp. (On offense). Gurley is a big part of the success, but Gurley was Gurley last year, too, and his resurgence is evidence of the importance of the OL. He didn’t come in great, then forget how to play football, then remember (though the move, and Hollywood did play a part, too).
Anyway. I am delighted with Goff’s growth, and his upside. But he hasn’t done a 180.
He’s been ascending at a 7 degree angle consistently from his first mini-camp.
December 21, 2017 at 6:35 pm #79287znModeratorJust as everybody who was calling Goff a bust last year was a moron, I think people suggesting Goff is MVP-worthy this year are also off their rockers.
I don’t remember anyone here calling him a bust, but I don’t have a sharp memory for who said what on the board. I don’t even know what I said half the time.
But it was pretty obvious to anybody who actually watched the Rams last year that Goff’s poor performance had more to do with a lack of WRs and OL than with his NFL worthiness.
Similarly, anyone watching this year can see that he has made good progress as a QB, but still needs seasoning. As someone may or may not have said somewhere else on this board, Goff hasn’t “elevated” the team himself. He has been a pretty sure-handed shepherd for this team, but he isn’t the reason they have had a dramatic turnaround. He’s part of the picture, but really McVay and the OL are the story this year…and maybe Woods and Kupp. (On offense). Gurley is a big part of the success, but Gurley was Gurley last year, too, and his resurgence is evidence of the importance of the OL. He didn’t come in great, then forget how to play football, then remember (though the move, and Hollywood did play a part, too).
Anyway. I am delighted with Goff’s growth, and his upside. But he hasn’t done a 180.
He’s been ascending at a 7 degree angle consistently from his first mini-camp.
Although I agree with a lot of that, just for the record and to get my own vote out there in the informal poll, I have a couple of disagreements.
First, I think Goff last year was set back by a lot of things. It includes a lack of weapons. It also includes the move, which IMO is what most disrupted the OL and OL coaching. It also includes no running game. And it also includes the fact that traditionally, college Air Raid qbs hit the NFL further behind than most.
Second, on no running game…I think a lot of that was on Gurley himself. At one point, and we have a direct quote somewhere for this, he openly said he didn’t get around to working out for “1 or 2 months” and was surprised at OTAs to find he had lost weight. Well. A guy who works out a lot is never surprised by his weight. I think he pretty much took the 2016 off-season off. Either way he did not look the same. He did not have the same energy, drive, explosion, strength…he wasn’t the same back in 2016 that he was in 2015. He DID make a point of working hard this last off-season and IMO just plain looks like a different back. Plus Whitworth makes a difference, as does Sullivan, as does Saffold playing between those 2, as does Kromer, as does LaFleur (who learned from Atlanta’s prolific running game).
So a lot of things got better but I think one of them was Gurley himself.
And then there’s McVay.
I assume McVay has some small part in this overall improvement thing. You know, he probably contributed. Did his bit. It probably did some good, whatever it was. Don’t want to minimize that or anything. (Yes kidding. McVay was huge.)
December 21, 2017 at 10:16 pm #79294ZooeyModeratorAlthough I agree with a lot of that, just for the record and to get my own vote out there in the informal poll, I have a couple of disagreements.
First, I think Goff last year was set back by a lot of things. It includes a lack of weapons. It also includes the move, which IMO is what most disrupted the OL and OL coaching. It also includes no running game. And it also includes the fact that traditionally, college Air Raid qbs hit the NFL further behind than most.
Second, on no running game…I think a lot of that was on Gurley himself. At one point, and we have a direct quote somewhere for this, he openly said he didn’t get around to working out for “1 or 2 months” and was surprised at OTAs to find he had lost weight. Well. A guy who works out a lot is never surprised by his weight. I think he pretty much took the 2016 off-season off. Either way he did not look the same. He did not have the same energy, drive, explosion, strength…he wasn’t the same back in 2016 that he was in 2015. He DID make a point of working hard this last off-season and IMO just plain looks like a different back. Plus Whitworth makes a difference, as does Sullivan, as does Saffold playing between those 2, as does Kromer, as does LaFleur (who learned from Atlanta’s prolific running game).
So a lot of things got better but I think one of them was Gurley himself.
And then there’s McVay.
I assume McVay has some small part in this overall improvement thing. You know, he probably contributed. Did his bit. It probably did some good, whatever it was. Don’t want to minimize that or anything. (Yes kidding. McVay was huge.)
Okay, but the problem you have there is that I basically agree with all of that. If you want to start an argument, you’re going to have to argue that Goff’s trajectory is more like 6 degrees, or 8 degrees. Then we can mix it up some. But you have merely elaborated and clarified what I said rather than disagreed with it. So coal in your stocking.
December 21, 2017 at 10:39 pm #79296znModeratorOkay, but the problem you have there is that I basically agree with all of that
I disagree.
December 22, 2017 at 1:55 am #79302ZooeyModeratorOkay, but the problem you have there is that I basically agree with all of that
I disagree.
Me, too.
December 22, 2017 at 2:28 am #79303
InvaderRamModeratori feel like goff has hit a wall somewhat the last few games. but i think that’s to be somewhat expected. all part of the development process.
and now especially with gz out for the rest of the season, there’s even more of an onus on him to step up his game.
interested to see how he responds.
December 22, 2017 at 8:19 am #79305
wvParticipantWell i agree with all the points made in the thread (Gurley worked harder, More weapons, the Move, Whitworth, Experience, etc)
But i also think
the difference between McV and Fisher is Significant. I dont think its a small difference. McV is a SIGNIFICANTLY better coach than Jeff Fisher. And yes, its about the Offense.w
vDecember 22, 2017 at 8:25 am #79307znModeratorMcV is a SIGNIFICANTLY better coach than Jeff Fisher.
I agree with that, but with this add-on point: there are very few head coaches McV would not have been significantly better than.
But, McV would not be able to do as well himself if he had to deal with a long series of back-up qbs and continuing OL issues and a move. So I suggest that Fisher could have done better than he did if he had inherited a team like one one McVay did, which includes only minor injury issues, and basically none (with 1 or 2 minor exceptions) at qb/OL.
I mean, we lucked out as Rams fans. McVay is McVay. He will rival Vermeil as best Rams head coach for several decades. The way I see it he will very likely surpass Robinson and Martz. If not surpass Vermeil, not just rival him. He comes in and he’s him,and they upgrade WR and the OL. Plus he inherits Goff, Gurley, Saffold, Donald, Brockers, Tree, Barron, Joyner, Tru, Hekker, 14 16ths of Zuerlein, and Cooper. And that’s not to mention a long list of good contributing role players, special teamers (like Littleton), and depth at many units.
It’s a positive version of a perfect storm. Maybe it needs a name. Like, The Convergence.
Short version: I agree.
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December 22, 2017 at 8:57 am #79308znModeratorJared Goff’s ‘complete 180’ has Rams playoff-ready
By Kevin Patra
Jared Goff is in the midst of one of the best non-injury turnarounds in the NFL.
The Los Angeles Rams quarterback followed up a disastrous, winless rookie campaign, with a steady, sometimes spectacular, near-playoff-clinching season.
Goff’s 35.3-point increase in passer rating over last season is the largest jump in the NFL. His 98.9 passer rating puts him fifth all-time for a second-year quarterback (Kurt Warner: 109.2, 1999; Dan Marino: 108.9, 1984; Carson Wentz: 101.9, 2017; Russell Wilson 101.2, 2013).
Goff was named an alternate to the Pro Bowl, which means he’ll likely be added at some point, given Carson Wentz’s injury.
While the turnaround from hot mess to steady eddy has surprised most outside the Rams’ facility, not everyone was shocked the quarterback has flipped the script so quickly.
“I said it at the beginning that he was going to make a complete 180,” corner Trumaine Johnson said, via ESPN. “Personally, in my opinion, he should’ve been selected first team, too. But he’s been doing a great job, man, with this whole team.”
Thanks in large part to Sean McVay scheming up wide open receivers, and an improved offensive line, Goff’s numbers have improved across the board:
Goff 2016: 7 games, 54.6 completion percentage; 5.3 yards per attempt, 5 TDs, 7 INTs, 63.6 passer rating.
Goff 2017: 14 games, 62.4 completion percentage; 8.0 yards per attempt, 24 TDs, 7 INTs, 98.9 passer rating.
Goff downplayed the turnaround, saying it was merely a product of the team around him and the natural course of acclimating to the NFL.
“It happens at every level, in high school and college and now in the pros,” Goff said. “The first season is learning a lot, and then the second season it starts to settle down, and it continues to go that way as time goes on.”
Goff is the latest lesson in patience with young players. Casting off high draft picks as “busts” has almost become a niche industry. Doing so ignores the giant leap from college to pro — both physically and mentally — especially for a quarterback learning new aspects of running the offense.
Goff’s turnaround also underscores the importance of a creative coaching mind that can nurture a talented growing passer — not just toss him into traffic and see if he can frogger his way to the other side.
“The guy went No. 1,” Rams running back Todd Gurley said earlier this season. “Dude don’t go No. 1 for no reason.”
Goff went No. 1 and almost imploded as a rookie. Now he’s displaying poise and distributing ability in McVay’s offense, which has the Rams poised to make their first playoff appearance since 2004.
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December 22, 2017 at 11:19 am #79316wvParticipantAgreed. Fisher had plenty of just-plain-bad-luck. He woulda done better with good-luck.
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vDecember 22, 2017 at 12:19 pm #79318ZooeyModeratorI also agree on Fisher. And with what zn said about him i.e. he isn’t as good as McVay. But Fisher, I think, was a good coach who would have done better if he didn’t have that laundry list of adversity. I wouldn’t have fired him last year. I would have given him one more season. He wasn’t a creative mind offensively, didn’t appear to grasp WRs, and didn’t have room philosophically for finding somebody with a more creative offensive mind.
And – again – Jeez! – it’s not like McVay rescued Goff off the scrapheap and turned him around.
Goff would have had a better rookie year if he had had Whitworth, Sullivan, Woods, Watkins, and Kupp last year. And if Gurley had worked out during the offseason. In fact…Fisher might still be here if he had had those guys. I’m glad he’s NOT. I’m glad now that they did fire Fisher because McVay is better. He looks like he is going to be an elite coach. And his scheme has been tailored to fit Goff’s abilities. I get the idea that both McVay and Phillips are coaches who flex their schemes around the players they have, and Fisher was more the kind of guy who continued to try to force players into his scheme. McVay and Phillips are better at adapting, both in schemes, and during the game, to the conditions. They’re better coaches.
December 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm #79320znModeratorHe looks like he is going to be an elite coach.
I and probably many others agree with you on that.
December 22, 2017 at 3:10 pm #79325ZooeyModeratorHe looks like he is going to be an elite coach.
I and probably many others agree with you on that.
Oh,I don’t think so.
December 22, 2017 at 3:13 pm #79326znModeratorOh,I don’t think so
Really? You don’t think people think that?
December 22, 2017 at 6:08 pm #79327InvaderRamModeratorPlus he inherits Goff, Gurley, Saffold, Donald, Brockers, Tree, Barron, Joyner, Tru, Hekker, 14 16ths of Zuerlein, and Cooper.
all but saffold were brought in during the fisher regime.
December 22, 2017 at 9:27 pm #79341ZooeyModeratorOh,I don’t think so
Really? You don’t think people think that?
Yeah, I do.
I was merely playing off the disagreeing about disagreeing about agreeing with the agreement stuff that happened earlier in the thread. Though, admittedly, it was always a wobbly train from the beginning. Anyway…
December 22, 2017 at 9:51 pm #79344znModeratorI was merely playing off the disagreeing about disagreeing about agreeing with the agreement stuff that happened earlier in the thread.
I disagree.
December 23, 2017 at 12:20 am #79352wvParticipantI was merely playing off the disagreeing about disagreeing about agreeing with the agreement stuff that happened earlier in the thread. Though, admittedly, it was always a wobbly train from the beginning. Anyway…
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I dont get the wobblies on a train metaphor at all.
Although maybe you were just talking about special teams.
Still, I think the special teams are more like Trotskyists on a jet-ski.
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