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  • #44382
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    #44384
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/05/20/glyphosphate-turns-out-to-be-kind-of-a-boring-molecule/

    I don’t know, Nittany. Can we really say it’s nothing to worry about? From Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

    While glyphosate and formulations such as Roundup have been approved by regulatory bodies worldwide, concerns about their effects on humans and the environment persist.[9][5]

    Many regulatory and scholarly reviews have evaluated the relative toxicity of glyphosate as an herbicide. The German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment toxicology review in 2013 found that “the available data is contradictory and far from being convincing” with regard to correlations between exposure to glyphosate formulations and risk of various cancers, including non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL).[10] A meta-analysis published in 2014 identified an increased risk of NHL in workers exposed to glyphosate formulations.[11] In March 2015 the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer classified glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic in humans” (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies, animal studies, and in vitro studies.[9][12][13]

    #44385
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I have NHL already. Don’t want to take the chance on using Roundup around the house, though weeds have been going crazy lately with all the rain. Would love to find an alternative that is thoroughly vetted as non-toxic. It would seem that is is still an open question when it comes to glyphosates.

    #44394
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I have NHL already. Don’t want to take the chance on using Roundup around the house, though weeds have been going crazy lately with all the rain. Would love to find an alternative that is thoroughly vetted as non-toxic. It would seem that is is still an open question when it comes to glyphosates.

    I have a recipe for weed-killer at home. I copied it 3 or 4 months ago, and haven’t tried it, but I will post it here later if anyone wants to take a shot at it. I think vinegar is a key ingredient, and I’m skeptical, but it would certainly be 1/20th the cost of round-up, and who knows?

    #44395
    bnw
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    There’s so many weeds that are immune to Roundup now that nature will relegate it useless soon enough. What I’d be more concerned about are the Roundup ready crops to see if there isn’t a long term danger in consuming.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #44396
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    I have NHL already. Don’t want to take the chance on using Roundup around the house, though weeds have been going crazy lately with all the rain. Would love to find an alternative that is thoroughly vetted as non-toxic. It would seem that is is still an open question when it comes to glyphosates.

    I have a recipe for weed-killer at home. I copied it 3 or 4 months ago, and haven’t tried it, but I will post it here later if anyone wants to take a shot at it. I think vinegar is a key ingredient, and I’m skeptical, but it would certainly be 1/20th the cost of round-up, and who knows?

    Thanks, Zooey. Would greatly appreciate your posting that.

    Isn’t Roundup also a major killer of bees? And their populations have been dangerously reduced. Without bees, we’re all screwed.

    #44400
    Avatar photowv
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    I try to make friends with the weeds.

    Maybe they are doing some good,
    i dunno.

    w
    v

    #44415
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I don’t know, Nittany. Can we really say it’s nothing to worry about? From Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

    While glyphosate and formulations such as Roundup have been approved by regulatory bodies worldwide, concerns about their effects on humans and the environment persist.[9][5]

    Many regulatory and scholarly reviews have evaluated the relative toxicity of glyphosate as an herbicide. The German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment toxicology review in 2013 found that “the available data is contradictory and far from being convincing” with regard to correlations between exposure to glyphosate formulations and risk of various cancers, including non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL).[10] A meta-analysis published in 2014 identified an increased risk of NHL in workers exposed to glyphosate formulations.[11] In March 2015 the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer classified glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic in humans” (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies, animal studies, and in vitro studies.[9][12][13]

    Hi Billy. Actually the WHO and the FOA have said that glyphosphate probably doesn’t cause cancer in humans.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-who-glyphosate-idUSKCN0Y71HR

    The IARC says it could cause cancer but they are looking at the question from a different angle than the WHO and FOA. The WHO and FOA are saying there is no credible evidence that it is causing cancer in humans. The IARC is saying there is a chance that it could cause cancer under the right circumstances. The thing is, the likelihood of those circumstances being met are remote. the IARC has assigned glyphosphate to category 2A, which means that there is evidence from studies conducted on animals but limited/insufficient evidence from humans. As a link in author’s article points out, other category 2A carcinogens include being a hair dresser and working night shift. They are saying it’s a hazard, but there’s always a question of hazard vs risk. For example, is a shark a hazard? Yes. What is your risk of being attacked by a shark if you live in Iowa? Almost zero. What is your level of risk if visit an aquarium where they have a shark? It’s still incredibly low, but it’s an order of magnitude higher than if you’re standing in a cornfield in Iowa.

    Besides that, many scientists don’t agree with the IARC’s ruling…

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/does-monsantos-pesticide-glyphosphate-cause-cancer-2015-3

    And glyphosphate is not killing bees…

    Study Finds Glyphosate and Acetamiprid to Have Relatively Low Toxicity for Honey Bees

    Glyphosate is no bee killer

    Oh, and an effective way to kill weeds without using herbicides?

    Use boiling water.

    #44417
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    #44420
    bnw
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    Won’t work well for weeds with running roots or in very tight soil.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #44421
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    I have a big patch of poison ivy growing next to the house that I’m going to dig out today. It’s labor intensive but digging them up (must get the majority of the roots too of course) is the quickest and most effective way to manage weeds.

    #44424
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    I have a big patch of poison ivy growing next to the house that I’m going to dig out today. It’s labor intensive but digging them up (must get the majority of the roots too of course) is the quickest and most effective way to manage weeds.

    Of course it is. It just takes a lot more time. And I have 3/4 acre of yard that is all overgrown and needs to be brought to heel.

    #44431
    bnw
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    I have a big patch of poison ivy growing next to the house that I’m going to dig out today. It’s labor intensive but digging them up (must get the majority of the roots too of course) is the quickest and most effective way to manage weeds.

    Of course it is. It just takes a lot more time. And I have 3/4 acre of yard that is all overgrown and needs to be brought to heel.

    No way. Far too much work. Borrow a goat and give him a ten foot chain. Move it every other day.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #44435
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I’ve used boiling water, but it’s not practical for large areas.

    I have a big patch of poison ivy growing next to the house that I’m going to dig out today. It’s labor intensive but digging them up (must get the majority of the roots too of course) is the quickest and most effective way to manage weeds.

    Of course it is. It just takes a lot more time. And I have 3/4 acre of yard that is all overgrown and needs to be brought to heel.

    Then perhaps you’d be better served by a little less whining and a little more digging, m’kay?

    Chop, chop.

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