Glenn Greenwald on the CIA war against Trump

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January 14, 2017 at 12:16 pm #63527

wv
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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Ok, true, but ‘neoliberal’ to me, also means to reach out around the globe and spread and grow and to use the military and cia to help that spread.

But that’s not what the word means.

The word refers only to economic policies.

And different neo-liberals can have different foreign policies and all still be neo-liberal.

That’s because foreign policy does not reduce to economic policy. With foreign policy you have to start accounting for fears and anxieties and perceived threats. Those can just run on a completely different track. So you can de-regulate the financial industry, destroy public education, and spend untold fortunes on the military because you’re pizzed off at what you perceive to be the muslim threat.

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Well dont corporations have policies that go beyond national borders?
I dont see how neoliberalism can be restricted to ‘domestic’ policies when no major-corporation thinks in terms of ‘domestic’ policies — they
are global. And thus, implicate the military-machinery, etc.

I’ll look up ‘neoliberalism’ at some point today.

Give me another word and I’l luse it.

But i think neoliberalism is more ‘stretchy’ than
you are stating. I think its more like postmodernism. Stretchy.

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January 14, 2017 at 12:20 pm #63529

wv
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zn wrote:

zn wrote:

You can be a non-fascist neo-liberal and a fascist neo-liberal. Fascist and neo-liberal are not opposable terms.

from the wiki

Neoliberalism

Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism) refers primarily to the 20th century resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic free market liberalization. These include extensive economic policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy. The implementation of neoliberal policies and the acceptance of neoliberal economic theories in the 1970s are seen by some academics as the root of the financial crisis of 2007–08. Currently, neoliberalism is most commonly used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers, and reducing state influence on the economy, especially through privatization and austerity.

The ONLY part of any of that Trump opposes, at least superficially, is the trade stuff. But then it’s doubtful that’s even true…he is not consistent or coherent when it comes to that. The rest? He’s another lockstep pro-corporate, pro-market, liberalization soldier. Far more so than any of his predecessors.

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And nothing in that definition restricts it to ‘domestic’ policies. Which means it can be GLOBAL econ policy. Which means it implicates the Pentagon/CIA/NSA, world-bank, IMF, ‘enforcement’ policies.

Which means Neoliberalism implicates a lot more than pure ‘econ’ policy.

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January 14, 2017 at 12:22 pm #63530

Zooey
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wv wrote:

Well dont corporations have policies that go beyond national borders?
I dont see how neoliberalism can be restricted to ‘domestic’ policies when no major-corporation thinks in terms of ‘domestic’ policies — they
are global. And thus, implicate the military-machinery, etc.

I’ll look up ‘neoliberalism’ at some point today.

Give me another word and I’l luse it.

But i think neoliberalism is more ‘stretchy’ than
you are stating. I think its more like postmodernism. Stretchy.

w
v

That’s how I see it.

The New World Order is global neo-liberalism. Enforced with drones and gangsters.

January 14, 2017 at 12:59 pm #63534

Billy_T
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wv wrote:

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Ok, true, but ‘neoliberal’ to me, also means to reach out around the globe and spread and grow and to use the military and cia to help that spread.

But that’s not what the word means.

The word refers only to economic policies.

And different neo-liberals can have different foreign policies and all still be neo-liberal.

That’s because foreign policy does not reduce to economic policy. With foreign policy you have to start accounting for fears and anxieties and perceived threats. Those can just run on a completely different track. So you can de-regulate the financial industry, destroy public education, and spend untold fortunes on the military because you’re pizzed off at what you perceive to be the muslim threat.

———
Well dont corporations have policies that go beyond national borders?
I dont see how neoliberalism can be restricted to ‘domestic’ policies when no major-corporation thinks in terms of ‘domestic’ policies — they
are global. And thus, implicate the military-machinery, etc.

I’ll look up ‘neoliberalism’ at some point today.

Give me another word and I’l luse it.

But i think neoliberalism is more ‘stretchy’ than
you are stating. I think its more like postmodernism. Stretchy.

w
v

Yes. I shouldn’t have broken it down along foreign and domestic lines earlier. I thought it might make more sense, when talking about how trade policy is only one aspect of economic policy, and how an opposition to NAFTA or TPP doesn’t necessarily conflict with the rest of the neoliberal agenda. But was confusing, most likely.

Great book on how this all fits together:

The Making of Global Capitalism, by Sam Gindin and Leo Panitch

It’s a history and analysis of how America became the main evangelist for the capitalist system worldwide. We basically took over that role from Britain. after WWI.

January 14, 2017 at 1:01 pm #63535

Billy_T
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Also, WV, you mentioned you were going to look up neoliberalism. The article I posted by David Harvey is a really good one. He literally wrote the book on the subject.
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