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November 26, 2023 at 2:20 pm #147000wvParticipant
Thot this was an interesting vid. Not about Gaza, just some background stories.
November 26, 2023 at 3:13 pm #147001znModeratorDecember 23, 2023 at 4:03 pm #147877znModeratorVideo of released Israeli hostages saying Hamas protected them with their bodies when Israel shelled them. Strange, I thought they wanted to kill all Jews as self victimized Zionists claim.
Reminder Israel rescued ZERO Israeli hostages in 78 days but killed 25,000 Palestinians.
— 🫒Dismantle the whole thing 🍉 (@nada_chehade_) December 23, 2023
March 11, 2024 at 7:20 am #149730znModeratorCalled it.
The reason they use rape for Israel’s propaganda to justify genocide is:
1) they tested multiple messages to western audiences, especially with liberals and women who were being affected by the footage of genocide in Gaza and were changing their positions.
2) they… https://t.co/u1BL5FsAfp— Firas 🇵🇸 (@FirasPalestine) March 10, 2024
March 20, 2024 at 7:20 pm #150045ZooeyModeratorWithout Extensive Narrative Manipulation, None Of This Would Be Consented To
CAITLIN JOHNSTONE
MAR 20Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that bombing Gaza into rubble is a reasonable response to a single Hamas attack.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that killing tens of thousands of Palestinians and starving hundreds of thousands more is a reasonable response to a thousand Israelis being killed.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that criticizing the actions of the state of Israel is antisemitic.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that saying “from the river to the sea” is a call for genocide.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone to think about this onslaught and the discourse around it in terms of “Jews vs Jew haters”.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that it was fine and normal to keep an unwanted ethnic group in a walled-in area whose resources are tightly controlled by those in power.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that TikTok is a massive problem that needs to be eliminated.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that Israel should be able to inflict violence and abuse upon the Palestinian population for generations without ever receiving any violence in return.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that Israel using the Israeli army to murder civilians in an Israeli military campaign is something that can be blamed on Hamas.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that it is fine and acceptable for the IDF to be targeting healthcare workers, journalists and scholars and destroying hospitals, universities and mosques.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that dozens of Israeli hostages are more important than the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who are being starved and murdered.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that the US war machine should be bombing people in Yemen, Iraq and Syria to stop their retaliations for the destruction of Gaza.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that the governments who are backing a genocide are not personally responsible for it.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that the unfathomable suffering that is taking place in Gaza right now should not be at the forefront of our attention.
Without extensive narrative manipulation, it would never occur to anyone that the genocide in Gaza should be allowed to continue instead of being brought to an immediate end.
And that’s why we’ve been seeing such extensive narrative manipulation — from our news media, from our government officials, and from Israel apologists on social media.
It’s because without extensive narrative manipulation, none of this would be consented to.
April 26, 2024 at 9:27 am #150352znModeratorWe need an exodus from Zionism
Naomi Klein
This Passover, we don’t need or want the false idol of Zionism. We want freedom from the project that commits genocide in our name
I’ve been thinking about Moses, and his rage when he came down from the mount to find the Israelites worshipping a golden calf.
The ecofeminist in me was always uneasy about this story: what kind of God is jealous of animals? What kind of God wants to hoard all the sacredness of the Earth for himself?
But there is a less literal way of understanding this story. It is about false idols. About the human tendency to worship the profane and shiny, to look to the small and material rather than the large and transcendent.
What I want to say to you tonight at this revolutionary and historic Seder in the Streets is that too many of our people are worshipping a false idol once again. They are enraptured by it. Drunk on it. Profaned by it.
That false idol is called Zionism.
Zionism is a false idol that has taken the idea of the promised land and turned it into a deed of sale for a militaristic ethnostate
It is a false idol that takes our most profound biblical stories of justice and emancipation from slavery – the story of Passover itself – and turns them into brutalist weapons of colonial land theft, roadmaps for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
It is a false idol that has taken the transcendent idea of the promised land – a metaphor for human liberation that has traveled across multiple faiths to every corner of this globe – and dared to turn it into a deed of sale for a militaristic ethnostate.
Political Zionism’s version of liberation is itself profane. From the start, it required the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and ancestral lands in the Nakba.
From the start it has been at war with dreams of liberation. At a Seder it is worth remembering that this includes the dreams of liberation and self-determination of the Egyptian people. This false idol of Zionism equates Israeli safety with Egyptian dictatorship and client states.
From the start it has produced an ugly kind of freedom that saw Palestinian children not as human beings but as demographic threats – much as the pharaoh in the Book of Exodus feared the growing population of Israelites, and thus ordered the death of their sons.
Zionism has brought us to our present moment of cataclysm and it is time that we said clearly: it has always been leading us here.
It is a false idol that has led far too many of our own people down a deeply immoral path that now has them justifying the shredding of core commandments: thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet.
We, in these streets for months and months, are the exodus. The exodus from Zionism
It is a false idol that equates Jewish freedom with cluster bombs that kill and maim Palestinian children.Zionism is a false idol that has betrayed every Jewish value, including the value we place on questioning – a practice embedded in the Seder with its four questions asked by the youngest child.
Including the love we have as a people for text and for education.
Today, this false idol justifies the bombing of every university in Gaza; the destruction of countless schools, of archives, of printing presses; the killing of hundreds of academics, of journalists, of poets – this is what Palestinians call scholasticide, the killing of the means of education.
Meanwhile, in this city, the universities call in the NYPD and barricade themselves against the grave threat posed by their own students daring to ask them basic questions, such as: how can you claim to believe in anything at all, least of all us, while you enable, invest in and collaborate with this genocide?
The false idol of Zionism has been allowed to grow unchecked for far too long.
So tonight we say: it ends here.
Our Judaism cannot be contained by an ethnostate, for our Judaism is internationalist by nature.
Our Judaism cannot be protected by the rampaging military of that state, for all that military does is sow sorrow and reap hatred – including against us as Jews.
Our Judaism is not threatened by people raising their voices in solidarity with Palestine across lines of race, ethnicity, physical ability, gender identity and generations.
Our Judaism is one of those voices and knows that in that chorus lies both our safety and our collective liberation.
Our Judaism is the Judaism of the Passover Seder: the gathering in ceremony to share food and wine with loved ones and strangers alike, the ritual that is inherently portable, light enough to carry on our backs, in need of nothing but each other: no walls, no temple, no rabbi, a role for everyone, even – especially – the smallest child. The Seder is a diaspora technology if ever there was one, made for collective grieving, contemplation, questioning, remembering and reviving the revolutionary spirit.
So look around. This, here, is our Judaism. As waters rise and forests burn and nothing is certain, we pray at the altar of solidarity and mutual aid, no matter the cost.
We don’t need or want the false idol of Zionism. We want freedom from the project that commits genocide in our name. Freedom from an ideology that has no plan for peace other than deals with murderous theocratic petrostates next door, while selling the technologies of robo-assassinations to the world.
We seek to liberate Judaism from an ethnostate that wants Jews to be perennially afraid, that wants our children to be afraid, that wants us to believe the world is against us so that we go running to its fortress and beneath its iron dome, or at least keep the weapons and donations flowing.
That is the false idol.
And it’s not just Netanyahu, it’s the world he made and that made him – it’s Zionism.
What are we? We, in these streets for months and months, are the exodus. The exodus from Zionism.
And to the Chuck Schumers of this world, we do not say: “Let our people go.”
We say: “We have already gone. And your kids? They’re with us now.”
Naomi Klein is a Guardian US columnist and contributing writer. She is the professor of climate justice and co-director of the Centre for Climate Justice at the University of British Columbia. Her latest book, Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World, was published in September
This is a transcript of a speech delivered at the Emergency Seder in the Streets in New York CityMay 6, 2024 at 7:59 pm #150784ZooeyModeratorWait. Macklemore just dropped Hind’s Hall.
— Read Let This Radicalize You (@JoshuaPHilll) May 6, 2024
May 7, 2024 at 2:23 pm #150792joemadParticipantNaomi Klein:
“””Zionism is a false idol that has taken the idea of the promised land and turned it into a deed of sale for a militaristic ethnostate”””
“”””The false idol of Zionism has been allowed to grow unchecked for far too long.””””
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May 8, 2024 at 8:00 pm #150809ZooeyModeratorThis guy, with absolutely spot on answers. Genuinely surprised this even aired. pic.twitter.com/3TwDDLpkha
— missymarxist ☭ (@missymarxist) May 7, 2024
May 9, 2024 at 2:46 pm #150815ZooeyModeratorExcellent job by Caitlin here.
Empire Managers Explain Why This New Protest Movement Scares Them
The US secretary of state and a Bilderberg surveillance tech oligarch have both made some very interesting admissions about the burgeoning protest movement against the US-backed slaughter in Gaza and the problems… pic.twitter.com/PD4pYB3cTy
— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) May 9, 2024
May 9, 2024 at 7:59 pm #150820wvParticipantSammy Obeid is often very good.
May 10, 2024 at 12:17 pm #150829ZooeyModeratorCry me a river to the sea. LOL
May 19, 2024 at 4:04 am #150980znModeratorBruce Robbins, a Jewish professor at Columbia on the student protests.
May 20, 2024 at 8:53 pm #150988wvParticipantMearshimer. At the 1:28 mark. Asked about the US election. Sez, no matter who wins – Trump or Biden — the Deep State will win.
May 30, 2024 at 6:46 pm #151080znModeratorfrom https://news.yahoo.com/news/us-state-department-official-resigns-210626006.html
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A U.S. State Department official who quit this week said on Thursday her resignation was precipitated by an administration report to Congress that she said falsely stated Israel was not blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, prompting her to resign in protest of President Joe Biden’s Israel policy.
May 30, 2024 at 11:36 pm #151082June 15, 2024 at 4:15 pm #151213nittany ramModeratorThe Genocide as documented by the ‘Genociders’.
https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1801965855221096751?s=46&t=HWVy98OnVkQzKJrO607ZCw
June 17, 2024 at 11:58 pm #151225MackeyserModeratorSo it’s come out that Netanyahu and the govt knew about the attack weeks before including all pertinent intel including how many hostages were intended to be taken and moved the music festival CLOSER to the incursion point
it’s just so evil…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
June 18, 2024 at 11:31 pm #151234MackeyserModeratorhttps://x.com/hedgesgurl/status/1802855820587114851?s=46&t=_KgGDzs8_jAsEgj5JgThjg
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
June 21, 2024 at 10:37 am #151246ZooeyModeratorTHREAD. Over the last four years, I have published a lot of critiques of the New York Times. I have never read anything more depraved than today's morning newsletter about why aid is not getting to Gaza.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) June 19, 2024
October 20, 2024 at 1:00 pm #152651ZooeyModeratorFour months since anybody said anything about this.
Because…what’s there to say?
I got something. That merits no response.
How in the actual feck do liberals believe that the Democrats are doing all they can, and that if Trump is elected, things will get worse for Palestinians?
October 24, 2024 at 1:35 pm #152735ZooeyModerator— Gritty is the Way (@Gritty20202) October 23, 2024
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