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  • #56008
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    According to TST, he said this in the Eric Dickerson show…

    Jason Stewart @JasonStewart
    “From what I am hearing, Jeff Fisher’s fate will be sealed after the next four games.” – @FredNBCLA on The @EricDickerson show just now
    4:37 PM – 24 Oct 2016 · Bellflower, CA, United States

    Next 4 games are Carolina, at NY Jets, Miami, at New Orleans. All winnable games.

    Of course, it isn’t mentioned how many of these next four games he has to win.

    I never heard of Fred Roggin before. Have no idea how reliable he is.

    #56016
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    he did go on about the rams moving to los angeles for awhile before they actually moved.

    not sure how reliable he is though.

    #56023
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It’s bullshit.

    Would you do that? If you were owner?

    Why would Stan?

    And even if Stan did…how would Fred Roggin know? Stan confide in him, ya think?

    Or maybe Stan made an ultimatum. And Fisher leaked it.

    It’s bullshit.

    #56028
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    According to TST, he said this in the Eric Dickerson show…

    Jason Stewart @JasonStewart
    “From what I am hearing, Jeff Fisher’s fate will be sealed after the next four games.” – @FredNBCLA on The @EricDickerson show just now
    4:37 PM – 24 Oct 2016 · Bellflower, CA, United States

    Next 4 games are Carolina, at NY Jets, Miami, at New Orleans. All winnable games.

    Of course, it isn’t mentioned how many of these next four games he has to win.

    I never heard of Fred Roggin before. Have no idea how reliable he is.

    I’m assuming Fisher would have to go 3-1. But after the 3 game losing streak, it would not be surprising if Fisher has to go undefeated in those game to get an extension.

    #56029
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    It’s bullshit.

    Would you do that? If you were owner?

    Why would Stan?

    And even if Stan did…how would Fred Roggin know? Stan confide in him, ya think?

    Or maybe Stan made an ultimatum. And Fisher leaked it.

    It’s bullshit.

    It may be BS. And if it was true Stan certainly wouldn’t confide in Joe Roggin. But he would have confided in somebody. Probably multiple people. And info like this tends to leak.

    But yeah, I’m skeptical.

    #56030
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    The smart thing is to wait til the end of the season. If Fisher goes 7-9 again, or 8-8, or even 9-7, he is fired. Remember, you have to sell to the LA fan base. Giving Fisher a new deal, will make Ram fans the organization does not care about winning. The Colosseum may get fans, but it will be fans of other teams. It will feel like there would be no home games.

    #56031
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It may be BS. And if it was true Stan certainly wouldn’t confide in Joe Roggin. But he would have confided in somebody. Probably multiple people. And info like this tends to leak.

    But yeah, I’m skeptical.

    Well, if he confided it in multiple people, he didn’t confide it.

    Nobody with 50 years experience in big business is going to make any kind of ironclad declaration like that.

    At most, Stan said something, regarding the contract extension, along the lines of, “Let’s wait, and see where we are at the end of November.”

    Joe Reporter hears that…and, voila. “Fate sealed.”

    I wouldn’t give Fisher a contract longer than a two-year extension if I were owner. Up to the new stadium. I would want my options open right there. And if I was owner, I would wait until the end of November to decide what I want to do. Why lock him up earlier than necessary?

    #56032
    JackPMiller
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    It may be BS. And if it was true Stan certainly wouldn’t confide in Joe Roggin. But he would have confided in somebody. Probably multiple people. And info like this tends to leak.

    But yeah, I’m skeptical.

    Well, if he confided it in multiple people, he didn’t confide it.

    Nobody with 50 years experience in big business is going to make any kind of ironclad declaration like that.

    At most, Stan said something, regarding the contract extension, along the lines of, “Let’s wait, and see where we are at the end of November.”

    Joe Reporter hears that…and, voila. “Fate sealed.”

    I wouldn’t give Fisher a contract longer than a two-year extension if I were owner. Up to the new stadium. I would want my options open right there. And if I was owner, I would wait until the end of November to decide what I want to do. Why lock him up earlier than necessary?

    Remember, as an owner, you have to sell Jeff Fisher to the LA Ram fan base. Basically, the only fans that would show up, are basically fans from other teams. Most of the seats in the Colosseum will be virtually empty. That is what you will get with Fisher. Fisher has proven, that he doesn’t deserve a an extension.

    #56033
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yeah but you also don’t want to bring in a new coach now. and then realize you have to make changes again when the new stadium opens. lots of change in the past year. lots more to come. my guess is stan wants to wait until the opening of the new stadium before making wholesale changes.

    i don’t think bringing in a new coach will impact ticket sales much.

    unless of course you bring in some big name like a belichick. i don’t think that happens. or even a pete carroll. a name like that would make fans’ ears perk up. otherwise, i don’t think it will really affect anything.

    #56034
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Remember, as an owner, you have to sell Jeff Fisher to the LA Ram fan base. Basically, the only fans that would show up, are basically fans from other teams. Most of the seats in the Colosseum will be virtually empty. That is what you will get with Fisher. Fisher has proven, that he doesn’t deserve a an extension.

    Jack, sorry, no. That’s not true. The owner doesn’t have to sell anything right now. The team is in a Honeymoon period. That city is overjoyed to have the Rams back, and they sold something like 55,000 season tickets in the first 12 minutes. The Gate Receipts are not among the worries faced by Stan Kroenke right now. And with the glitziest of stadiums opening up in a couple of years, Stan isn’t worried about the gate.

    If he is worried about anything, it is winning in the long run. LA does not tolerate losers. But the team is going to get a pass with the fans for another three seasons, no matter what.

    I will be very surprised if Fisher doesn’t take the Rams to the end of their tenancy at the Coliseum at the very least.

    I will bet right now that he gets a 2-year extension after Thanksgiving unless the wheels fall off that team between now and then.

    #56035
    JackPMiller
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    Remember, as an owner, you have to sell Jeff Fisher to the LA Ram fan base. Basically, the only fans that would show up, are basically fans from other teams. Most of the seats in the Colosseum will be virtually empty. That is what you will get with Fisher. Fisher has proven, that he doesn’t deserve a an extension.

    Jack, sorry, no. That’s not true. The owner doesn’t have to sell anything right now. The team is in a Honeymoon period. That city is overjoyed to have the Rams back, and they sold something like 55,000 season tickets in the first 12 minutes. The Gate Receipts are not among the worries faced by Stan Kroenke right now. And with the glitziest of stadiums opening up in a couple of years, Stan isn’t worried about the gate.

    If he is worried about anything, it is winning in the long run. LA does not tolerate losers. But the team is going to get a pass with the fans for another three seasons, no matter what.

    I will be very surprised if Fisher doesn’t take the Rams to the end of their tenancy at the Coliseum at the very least.

    I will bet right now that he gets a 2-year extension after Thanksgiving unless the wheels fall off that team between now and then.

    I don’t see that. Those fans know Jeff Fisher is not a winner. They know, five years of losing. We lost out on getting Hue Jackson this past off-season. We can’t afford to lose out on getting a real Head Coach, that can win games.

    #56037
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Nobody with 50 years experience in big business is going to make any kind of ironclad declaration like that.

    Unless you’re Donald Trump…

    But I agree with you. Fisher is here through the season or maybe through the 3rd season in LA.

    It all depends on which HC is available because Fisher’s medocracy won’t sell the PSLs in Inglewood.

    #56038
    Avatar photoZooey
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    It all depends on which HC is available because Fisher’s medocracy won’t sell the PSLs in Inglewood.

    It won’t need to. Inglewood will sell on the basis of Inglewood, not on who is HC.

    You think the most glorious stadium in the world is going to open its doors, and people are going to say, “Wow! Fantastic! I would SO buy tickets there, but…enh…Jeff Fisher is the coach, so I’ll pass.” Seriously, the Cleveland Browns would sell the place out initially.

    And I don’t mean to predict or advocate that Fisher will still be coach. SK may decide to add some sizzle to his sizzle, and open a New Glorious Era with a new coach. But that will be sizzle. What I am saying is the HC will have no impact on ticket sales for the inaugural season there. That stadium is an Event all by itself with nothing happening on the field.

    #56058
    Avatar photowv
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    All i know is, it is unique — I mean that literally — unique — that we have a situation where an NFL coach has had four losing seasons in a row, and now has a losing record in his fifth season, and there is talk of “extending” his contract.

    Anybody ever remember anything like that before in the NFL ?

    I dont.

    In a weird way it gives me a perverse little inner smile. I dunno why.

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    #56060
    sanbagger
    Participant

    It’s bullshit.

    Would you do that? If you were owner?

    Why would Stan?

    And even if Stan did…how would Fred Roggin know? Stan confide in him, ya think?

    Or maybe Stan made an ultimatum. And Fisher leaked it.

    It’s bullshit.

    I tend to agree with this. The Rams, since Fisher came on board, have been notoriously closed lips to reporters…even kind of turned the local reporters in STL away from them because they were shut out…now all of a sudden is spilling the beans in glitz town?

    Also…they just invested a ton of draft picks in Goff and Stan wants to turn around and Sam Bradforize him?….Stan is not a PIE (had to get that in) in the sky dreamer, he a realist and knows he has to do what’s best to get Goff going.

    #56062
    Avatar photojoemad
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    It won’t need to. Inglewood will sell on the basis of Inglewood, not on who is HC.

    You think the most glorious stadium in the world is going to open its doors, and people are going to say, “Wow! Fantastic! I would SO buy tickets there, but…enh…Jeff Fisher is the coach, so I’ll pass.” Seriously, the Cleveland Browns would sell the place out initially.

    And I don’t mean to predict or advocate that Fisher will still be coach. SK may decide to add some sizzle to his sizzle, and open a New Glorious Era with a new coach. But that will be sizzle. What I am saying is the HC will have no impact on ticket sales for the inaugural season there. That stadium is an Event all by itself with nothing happening on the field.

    Yes maybe for the first 1 or 2 seasons.

    2 year old Levi wasn’t exactly packed with 49 fans when Jim Tomsula coached nor today at 3 years old with Chip Kelly at the helm.

    Granted, Inglewood will be much much elaborate in scale and bells and whistles, than Levi, but Ultimately a winning culture is needed to put Ram fans in the seats.

    #56066
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    I don’t buy that at all Zooey , going to a game just for the stadium I mean. If there’s no hope of relevance people in LA aren’t going to waste 4 or 5 hours and thousands of dollars to watch a depressing shit show just cause the building is new. There is way to much fun to be had in LA especially for the kind of money you’re looking at in the new place.For it to become the the place to go the Rams need to become the team to watch.It’s just not enjoyable to watch a team suck year in and year out.

    #56068
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Also…they just invested a ton of draft picks in Goff and Stan wants to turn around and Sam Bradforize him?….Stan is not a PIE (had to get that in) in the sky dreamer, he a realist and knows he has to do what’s best to get Goff going.

    I’m in alignment with most for this….., I can wait for Goff to be ready… If the coaches don’t see that Goff is making plays in practice, he won’t make them game time. That’s fine. “Gotta make plays in practice before making them in a game”

    The part I don’t understand is “Sam Bradforize” Goff….. Bradford was never a bad QB. If you mean that Bradforizing is physically injuring a QB, then I get the point, but if you’re referring to Bradforizing to playing mentally bad or just playing bad, Bradford doesn’t fit that bill… He never was a bad QB, he was actually very good. He was ROY on a very bad Rams team.

    I’d take Bradford the past 2 years over Keenum, Foles and even Goff any day of the week…

    #56070
    Avatar photojoemad
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    All i know is, it is unique — I mean that literally — unique — that we have a situation where an NFL coach has had four losing seasons in a row, and now has a losing record in his fifth season, and there is talk of “extending” his contract.

    Anybody ever remember anything like that before in the NFL ?

      I dont.

      In a weird way it gives me a perverse little inner smile. I dunno why.

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      v

    John McKay?

    I don’t know either…

    #56071
    NERam
    Participant

    The part I don’t understand is “Sam Bradforize” Goff….. Bradford was never a bad QB. If you mean that Bradforizing is physically injuring a QB, then I get the point, but if you’re referring to Bradforizing to playing mentally bad or just playing bad, Bradford doesn’t fit that bill… He never was a bad QB, he was actually very good. He was ROY on a very bad Rams team.

    I’d take Bradford the past 2 years over Keenum, Foles and even Goff any day of the week…

    I’m not sure that even using Bradfordizing is a good analogy for QB abuse. Sam got hurt on 2 specific, but weird plays, over a 2 year span. The first was running OB on a scramble, and the next year, IIRC, he was just stepping forward in the pocket. No massive hit on either injury, just weird outcomes.

    Now, Bulgerizing is probably a better analogy for getting beat up as a QB, dealing with broken ribs and other assorted pleasantries during that phase of him undergoing Bulgerization.

    However, that didn’t occur when he was a rookie either, so if Goff were to go in too early and get beat up, Bradfordizing and/or Bulgeringing would not be a good tag. Gofferized, or All Goffed Up might be more apropos.

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    #56073
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I don’t buy that at all Zooey , going to a game just for the stadium I mean. If there’s no hope of relevance people in LA aren’t going to waste 4 or 5 hours and thousands of dollars to watch a depressing shit show just cause the building is new. There is way to much fun to be had in LA especially for the kind of money you’re looking at in the new place.For it to become the the place to go the Rams need to become the team to watch.It’s just not enjoyable to watch a team suck year in and year out.

    Well, I never.

    I think you’re wrong. I bet if you go look at the first year of attendance at new stadiums/arenas around the country, you will find a significant attendance boost the first year regardless of the team’s performance. I found them for the Indians, Orioles, and Giants in baseball, and all 3 teams saw a huge boost in attendance with the opening of their new stadiums. I couldn’t find a clear site for NFL attendance.

    In Sacramento, I will bet the Kings get high attendance numbers this year, and that team is comparable to the Rams, now that I think about it. They’ve sucked for even longer than the Rams, as a matter of fact, with one brief glorious period at the same time the Rams had theirs. And they suck now. And I bet that arena is full most of the season.

    I think I’m right, and you should go to that other thread and get yourself a serving of humble pie. That’s what I think.

    #56076
    sanbagger
    Participant

    Also…they just invested a ton of draft picks in Goff and Stan wants to turn around and Sam Bradforize him?….Stan is not a PIE (had to get that in) in the sky dreamer, he a realist and knows he has to do what’s best to get Goff going.

    I’m in alignment with most for this….., I can wait for Goff to be ready… If the coaches don’t see that Goff is making plays in practice, he won’t make them game time. That’s fine. “Gotta make plays in practice before making them in a game”

    The part I don’t understand is “Sam Bradforize” Goff….. Bradford was never a bad QB. If you mean that Bradforizing is physically injuring a QB, then I get the point, but if you’re referring to Bradforizing to playing mentally bad or just playing bad, Bradford doesn’t fit that bill… He never was a bad QB, he was actually very good. He was ROY on a very bad Rams team.

    I’d take Bradford the past 2 years over Keenum, Foles and even Goff any day of the week…

    What I meant was the changing of coordinators and coaches at the start of his career.

    I also liked Sam and thought he didn’t get a fair shake at the start and I also felt it was a good thing for him to move on.

    #56077
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    I don’t buy that at all Zooey , going to a game just for the stadium I mean. If there’s no hope of relevance people in LA aren’t going to waste 4 or 5 hours and thousands of dollars to watch a depressing shit show just cause the building is new. There is way to much fun to be had in LA especially for the kind of money you’re looking at in the new place.For it to become the the place to go the Rams need to become the team to watch.It’s just not enjoyable to watch a team suck year in and year out.

    Well, I never.

    I think you’re wrong. I bet if you go look at the first year of attendance at new stadiums/arenas around the country, you will find a significant attendance boost the first year regardless of the team’s performance. I found them for the Indians, Orioles, and Giants in baseball, and all 3 teams saw a huge boost in attendance with the opening of their new stadiums. I couldn’t find a clear site for NFL attendance.

    In Sacramento, I will bet the Kings get high attendance numbers this year, and that team is comparable to the Rams, now that I think about it. They’ve sucked for even longer than the Rams, as a matter of fact, with one brief glorious period at the same time the Rams had theirs. And they suck now. And I bet that arena is full most of the season.

    I think I’m right, and you should go to that other thread and get yourself a serving of humble pie. That’s what I think.

    Kings fans have nothing else to do, other than cow tipping. Ram fans, can do other things, like go to a beach. Rodeo drive. See the Lakers, Clippers, or even the LA Kings. Rodeo Drive. Hang out with a Kardashian, etc.

    #56078
    Avatar photosnowman
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    According to TST, he said this in the Eric Dickerson show…

    Jason Stewart @JasonStewart
    “From what I am hearing, Jeff Fisher’s fate will be sealed after the next four games.” – @FredNBCLA on The @EricDickerson show just now
    4:37 PM – 24 Oct 2016 · Bellflower, CA, United States

    Next 4 games are Carolina, at NY Jets, Miami, at New Orleans. All winnable games.

    Of course, it isn’t mentioned how many of these next four games he has to win.

    I never heard of Fred Roggin before. Have no idea how reliable he is.

    Fred Roggin might be hearing this from other writers/reporters, and is doing what a lot of sports media people do – turn the speculative comments of those outside the organization into a potential event from “sources”.

    #56079
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    Okay. This discussion is going in circles now.

    Hopefully, the Rams will be good, and we won’t ever have to find out what happens when a dismal team opens a new stadium in Los Angeles.

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