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  • #67230
    wv
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    fwiw:
    link:https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/former-dia-colonel-us-strikes-on-syria-based-on-a-lie/

    “…..
    The Russians briefed the United States on the proposed target. This is a process that started more than two months ago. There is a dedicated phone line that is being used to coordinate and deconflict (i.e., prevent US and Russian air assets from shooting at each other) the upcoming operation.
    The United States was fully briefed on the fact that there was a target in Idlib that the Russians believes was a weapons/explosives depot for Islamic rebels.
    The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.
    There was a strong wind blowing that day and the cloud was driven to a nearby village and caused casualties.
    We know it was not sarin. How? Very simple. The so-called “first responders” handled the victims without gloves. If this had been sarin they would have died. Sarin on the skin will kill you. How do I know? I went through “Live Agent” training at Fort McClellan in Alabama.

    There are members of the U.S. military who were aware this strike would occur and it was recorded. There is a film record. At least the Defense Intelligence Agency knows that this was not a chemical weapon attack. In fact, Syrian military chemical weapons were destroyed with the help of Russia…..”

    #67231
    wv
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    link:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V1phifx2L-KnDF_KmjNVM20XNfuDUTgtDaVnY5t99G0/edit#gid=0
    Top 20 papers — only one opposed the trump strikes on syria

    #67232
    wv
    Participant

    Another ex-cia guy talks:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=YNtsQmwas5k
    Its a bit ‘out there’ though. Fwiw

    #67233
    wv
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    #67234
    zn
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    The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.

    There is good reason to believe that story is bs.

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    #67235
    wv
    Participant

    The Syrian Air Force hit the target with conventional weapons. All involved expected to see a massive secondary explosion. That did not happen. Instead, smoke, chemical smoke, began billowing from the site. It turns out that the Islamic rebels used that site to store chemicals, not sarin, that were deadly. The chemicals included organic phosphates and chlorine and they followed the wind and killed civilians.

    There is good reason to believe that story is bs.

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    It would not surprise me if it were BS. Would not surprise me if it were true.

    I’m still in the info gathering stage. Or at least trying to gather info.

    Whats the biggest reason to think its BS?

    wv

    #67236
    zn
    Moderator

    Whats the biggest reason to think its BS?

    Besides the fact it’s just a guy blathering?

    A story like that gets legs and is actually reported (independently of one another) by someone–in the UK, France, al jezeera, Canada, Australia…

    #67272
    wv
    Participant

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    One man’s analysis:http://thesaker.is/a-multi-level-analysis-of-the-us-cruise-missile-attack-on-syria-and-its-consequences/

    The latest US cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase is an extremely important event in so many ways that it is important to examine it in some detail. I will try to do this today with the hope to be able to shed some light on a rather bizarre attack which will nevertheless have profound consequences. But first, let’s begin by looking at what actually happened.

    The pretext:

    I don’t think that anybody seriously believes that Assad or anybody else in the Syrian government really ordered a chemical weapons attack on anybody. To believe that it would require you to find the following sequence logical: first, Assad pretty much wins the war against Daesh which is in full retreat. Then, the US declares that overthrowing Assad is not a priority anymore (up to here this is all factual and true). Then, Assad decides to use weapons he does not have. He decides to bomb a location with no military value, but with lots of kids and cameras. Then, when the Russians demand a full investigation, the Americans strike as fast as they can before this idea gets any support. And now the Americans are probing a possible Russian role in this so-called attack. Frankly, if you believe any of that, you should immediately stop reading and go back to watching TV. For the rest of us, there are three options:

    a classical US-executed false flag
    a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,
    the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

    What is evident is that…see link

    #67277
    Zooey
    Moderator

    Scott Ritter:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syria-chemical-attack-al-qaeda-played-donald-trump_us_58ea226fe4b058f0a02fca4d

    “…the American media and the Trump administration…has [mocked and ignored] the very illogic of the premise being put forward to answer the question of why President Assad would risk everything by using chemical weapons against a target of zero military value, at a time when the strategic balance of power had shifted strongly in his favor.”

    This is the question that has been nagging me.

    Why would Assad do this? And if he was going to do it, wouldn’t he have done a better job of it? I mean…despite the horrific results, it was a pretty crappy job, affecting a relatively small number of people by war standards, and targeting people whose death is to nobody’s benefit. The cost/benefit of this just doesn’t add up to me unless it is a PR move, and as a PR move, it isn’t Assad who benefits from it.

    #67282
    wv
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    This is the question that has been nagging me.

    Why would Assad do this? And if he was going to do it, wouldn’t he have done a better job of it? I mean…despite the horrific results, it was a pretty crappy job, affecting a relatively small number of people by war standards, and targeting people whose death is to nobody’s benefit. The cost/benefit of this just doesn’t add up to me unless it is a PR move, and as a PR move, it isn’t Assad who benefits from it.

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    Yeah, that question is being asked all over the world.

    Makes zero sense that Assad would do what Trump is saying he did.

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    #67290
    Agamemnon
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    makes obscure reference to “The Game of Thrones”, the books, not the TV show.

    Agamemnon

    #67292
    zn
    Moderator

    MIDDLE EAST

    Obama Seeks Approval by Congress for Strike in Syria

    AUG. 31, 2013

    link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

    WASHINGTON — President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress.

    In one of the riskiest gambles of his presidency, Mr. Obama effectively dared lawmakers to either stand by him or, as he put it, allow President Bashar al-Assad of Syria to get away with murdering children with unconventional weapons. By asking them to take a stand, Mr. Obama tried to break out of the isolation of the last week as he confronted taking action without the support of the United Nations, Congress, the public or Britain, a usually reliable partner in such international operations.

    “I’m prepared to give that order,” Mr. Obama said in a hurriedly organized appearance in the Rose Garden as American destroyers armed with Tomahawk missiles waited in the Mediterranean Sea. “But having made my decision as commander in chief based on what I am convinced is our national security interests, I’m also mindful that I’m the president of the world’s oldest constitutional democracy.”

    Although Congressional leaders hailed his decision to seek the permission of lawmakers who had been clamoring for a say, the turnabout leaves Mr. Obama at the political mercy of House Republicans, many of whom have opposed him at every turn and have already suggested that Syria’s civil war does not pose a threat to the United States. His decision raises the possibility that he would be the first president in modern times to lose a vote on the use of force, much as Prime Minister David Cameron of Britain did in Parliament last week.

    Mr. Obama overruled the advice of many of his aides who worried about just such a defeat, and Republican Congressional officials said Saturday that if a vote were taken immediately, the Republican-controlled House would not support action. Interviews with more than a dozen members of Congress made clear that the situation was volatile even in the Senate, where Democrats have a majority.
    “Obama hasn’t got a chance to win this vote if he can’t win the majority of his own party, and I doubt he can,” Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, a leading Republican, said in an interview. “Democrats have been conspicuously silent. Just about his only support is coming from Republicans. He is a war president without a war party.”

    Yet the debate may also put on display the divisions in the Republican Party between traditional national security hawks and a newer generation of lawmakers, particularly in the House, resistant to entanglements overseas and distrustful of Mr. Obama.

    “It will be an uphill battle for the president to convince me because I think he has handled this entire situation quite poorly,” said Representative Tim Griffin, Republican of Arkansas. “And frankly I am reluctant to give him a license for war when, with all due respect, I have little confidence he knows what he is doing.”

    Even Senators John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, two Republicans who have pressed Mr. Obama to intervene more aggressively in Syria, said Saturday that they might vote no because the president’s plan was too limited. “We cannot in good conscience support isolated military strikes in Syria that are not part of an overall strategy that can change the momentum on the battlefield,” they said in a statement.

    Against that backdrop, the wording of the authorization of force may be critical. White House officials drafted a proposed measure that tried to strike a balance between being too expansive and too restrictive, and sent it to Congress on Saturday evening.

    The proposal would empower Mr. Obama to order military action to “prevent or deter the use or proliferation” of chemical or biological weapons “within, to or from Syria” and to “protect the United States and its allies and partners against the threat posed by such weapons.” Still, White House officials indicated that Mr. Obama might still authorize force even if Congress rejected it.
    As Syrian forces braced for attack, the president’s decision effectively put it off for more than a week, since Congress is not due back in Washington until Sept. 9. Mr. Obama did not push for Congress to come back sooner, and House leaders opted to keep to their schedule. Senate leaders set committee hearings to begin on Tuesday with a floor vote “no later” than the week of Sept. 9.

    In the interim, lawmakers will be in their home states, where polls show their constituents are not eager to attack Syria. “One constituent said to me: ‘It is horrendous that these children were killed, but they are being killed in other ways also. What’s the difference?’ ” said Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine.

    Senator Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said public opinion would pose a challenge for the president and Congress. “I’d be very surprised if the position of going forward with the strike would reach 50 percent in our state,” he said. “I don’t think it would get to 50.”

    The move also means that the period of vacillation before a strike will extend until after Mr. Obama travels to St. Petersburg, Russia, for a summit meeting of the Group of 20 nations, a session that now seems certain to be dominated by the question of what to do about Syria. President Vladimir V. Putin, the host of the meeting, not only has effectively blocked United Nations action, but on Saturday he suggested the chemical attack was a provocation by rebels intended to draw the United States into their war against Mr. Assad.

    Presidents in modern times have used military force both with and without Congressional authorization. George Bush and George W. Bush both won votes from lawmakers before wars with Iraq, and Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton launched strikes against Libya, Afghanistan and Kosovo without asking permission.

    Although Mr. Obama said as a candidate that a president has no power to launch a military attack except to stop “an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” he acted unilaterally in Libya in 2011 and had no plans to act differently in Syria this time. But he found it much harder to proceed alone, given the British vote and polls showing that the vast majority of Americans want Congress to decide.

    United Nations inspectors returned to The Hague on Saturday with samples to test for chemicals from sites in Syria. Credit Marten Van Dijl/European Pressphoto Agency
    Even allies like Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, one of Mr. Obama’s earliest supporters for president and his handpicked Democratic Party chairman, publicly argued that he had to go to Congress for permission. “The worst thing we can do is put people out on that limb and ask them to potentially risk their lives based on equivocal political support,” Mr. Kaine said.

    In making his request, Mr. Obama argued more forcefully than he ever had for military action against Syria, echoing some of the moral outrage expressed by Secretary of State John Kerry a day earlier. “What message will we send if a dictator can gas hundreds of children to death in plain sight and pay no price?” the president asked.

    Mr. Obama also dispatched Mr. Kerry, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and others to brief senators by telephone on Saturday and authorized a classified briefing on Capitol Hill on Sunday. Mr. Kerry was also booked on Sunday television news programs to make the case.

    Aaron David Miller, a longtime Middle East adviser to presidents, said Mr. Obama had made a persuasive case for action even as he jeopardized it. It “shows just how concerned he is about being alone and his understanding of the realities that even a limited strike can be risky, and he wants to share the responsibility,” he said.

    A deeply divided Congress was already gearing up for bitter fights this fall over federal spending, the debt ceiling, immigration and government surveillance, and the surprise Syria vote will invite a complicated, multilayered debate crossing party lines and involving other actors like Israel supporters who worry that failure to follow through in Syria will embolden Iran.

    Many lawmakers welcomed the chance to vote. “At this point in the country’s history, it’s important that we have this debate, that we take this vote,” said Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the senior Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee.

    But some argued that Mr. Obama had blinked in the face of a tough choice and possible backlash, and abdicated responsibility. “I strongly believe that the commander in chief has the absolute right to take military action,” said Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York. “The president seems like he’s weak at every level.”

    #67293
    zn
    Moderator

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    10/11/16

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-clinton-syria-red-line-228585

    Though he now ridicules Obama’s aborted military action, at the time he urged Obama in a tweet not to follow through on his threat to bomb Syria. He did so even after many observers argued that American credibility was on the line, a view Trump now appears to endorse. But Trump also argued that Obama never should have issued his red-line ultimatum in the first place.

    #67294
    wv
    Participant

    media coverage of Syria strike

    Jeremy Scahill appeared on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” on Sunday and skewered the media’s “atrocious” coverage of the Syria missile attack. The founding editor of The Intercept called out journalist Fareed Zakaria in particular.

    “You know, Fareed Zakaria—if that guy could have sex with this cruise missile attack, I think he would do it,” Scahill said.

    During the interview with “Reliable Sources” host Brian Stelter, Scahill added that CNN “needs to immediately withdraw all retired generals and colonels from its airwaves” because many of them may profit “in the private sector from these wars.”

    link:http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/jeremy_scahill_slams_atrocious_media_coverage_of_syria_20170410

    #67358
    wv
    Participant

    Scott Ritter: Dereliction of Duty
    link:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/dereliction_of_duty_redux_20170412

    “….Such an investigation will never take place, for several reasons. First, the U.S. has zero intelligence that would sustain its allegation that Syria mounted an attack on Khan Shaykhun using sarin nerve agent from the Shayrat airfield. The American Fourth Estate should be demanding that the Trump administration back up its claims with something substantive, including annotated imagery showing where in Shayrat the sarin was stored, mixed and loaded into munitions—which should be very easy to do, since these areas were specifically designated not to be targeted in the first place.

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    But this is an image that does not exist, and indeed cannot exist, since the U.S. intelligence community has absolutely no information about any such activity at Shayrat. This reality not only exposes the Trump administration’s case against Syria as an absolute lie. It also exonerates Russia from the Trump administration’s charge that Moscow was complicit in the attack, given the presence of Russian personnel at Shayrat at the time….”

    #67381
    wv
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