Foles, the meltdown of a QB or a rookie who never got better?

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  • #41387
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Except for the first year he played for Kelly and his new offense with play makers and a good OL, his performance looks about the same for the rest of the time. Is he a rookie who just never got any better? Just something I was thinking about.

    Agamemnon

    #41397
    Avatar photozn
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    I say meltdown.

    Here’s a breakdown of his actual play, but units of time and not just seasonal averages. Sometimes seasonal averages disguise things.

    I will use qb rating and TD/INT percentages.

    The trick in finding groups of games that differ from the avg. is to look at gamelogs and see if the season breaks into different units.

    Obviously no stats like this are worth a damm unless they also match up with what you saw. But this (what follows) is what I saw. Numbers are just one way of looking at it.

    So for example he has bad games in 2013 and 2014 but they are not consecutive bad games. They punctuate groups of good games, coming at intervals.

    In 2012 his avg. qb rating is 79.1, TD% is 2.3%, and INT% is 1.9%
    2013 it’s avg. qb rating of 119.2, TD% of 8.5%, and INT% of 0.6%
    2014 it’s avg. qb rating of 81.4, TD% of 4.2%, and INT% of 3.2%.

    What’s distinctive about 2015 is the way games clump together.

    In the 1st 4 games, he avgs. —>
    a qb rating of 98, a TD% of 4.5%, and an INT% of 0.9%.

    The next 3 games, but falls apart in GB but then is fine for 2 games.

    Then there’s the 4 game crash.

    In his last 4 games he avgs. —>
    a qb rating of 52.8, a TD% of 0.0%, and an INT% of 3.3%.

    I would say that the difference between the 1st 4 games and the last 4 is dramatic enough to force the question: what happened?

    “Meltdown” to me is as good an explanation as any.

    BUT I also think that it was not all “on the field” stuff that led to this. I suspect there was some behind the doors stuff too. I also suspect that Cigs did not handle that well–the behind closed doors meltdown stuff. That is, I think there were tensions, with Foles falling apart a little and Cigz exacerbating it or not handling it right.

    #41400
    Avatar photowv
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    All i know is I was really impressed
    with the whole offense, including foles,
    in that first game against Seattle.
    He sure looked good to me,
    to start out the season.

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    #41401
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Ok, will we ever see the good Foles again? Then, will Fisher draft a QB?

    I think he drafts Cook. If he would draft him last year over Gurley(assuming Karraker was right), then he would draft him this year at 10.

    But, then, he went ahead and drafted Mannion.

    Fisher said they would add a QB. But that could just be an udfa. 😉

    Keenum is a FA next year and Foles cap cost is 13M+. That makes drafting a QB high very sensible.

    If Lynch drops, is it Lynch or Cook?

    Will Fisher trade up? How High? He did for Austin, but he didn’t for Gurley. But, that might have just been how Snead read the draft. This is a good draft to get a QB at almost any pick. imo

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    Agamemnon

    #41404
    Avatar photowv
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    Ok, will we ever see the good Foles again? Then, will Fisher draft a QB?

    I think he drafts Cook. If he would draft him last year over Gurley(assuming Karraker was right), then he would draft him this year at 10.

    But, then, he went ahead and drafted Mannion.

    Fisher said they would add a QB. But that could just be an udfa.

    Keenum is a FA next year and Foles cap cost is 13M+. That makes drafting a QB high very sensible.

    If Lynch drops, is it Lynch or Cook?

    Will Fisher trade up? How High? He did for Austin, but he didn’t for Gurley. But, that might have just been how Snead read the draft. This is a good draft to get a QB at almost any pick. imo

    We got no idea what’s gonna happen.

    Just like we got no idea what Quarks
    are made of.

    We will have to live out these
    mysteries.

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    v

    #41405
    Avatar photozn
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    Ok, will we ever see the good Foles again? Then, will Fisher draft a QB?

    I think he drafts Cook. If he would draft him last year over Gurley(assuming Karraker was right), then he would draft him this year at 10.

    But, then, he went ahead and drafted Mannion.

    My thotz?

    I don’t know if we ever see good Foles again. I don’t rule it out but that’s a rough road.

    I think they do draft a qb, probably in either round 1 or 2.

    I don’t know if it’s Cook. Might be. But then maybe Cook last year v. this year, when this year he is being compared with different qbs, makes him look different? (I have no idea. Just listing the possibilities.)

    The GOLD STANDARD outcome would be:

    Keenum plays well, they draft someone good who develops, Mannion comes through.

    You may say I’m a dreamer.

    I’m probably the only one.

    ..

    #41412
    bnw
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    Hacking Lennon aside I find it difficult to believe a guy throws 7 TDs in one game and is an utter failure thereafter? What an expensive head case.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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