Foles is better when he doesn;t hold the ball

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  • October 27, 2015 at 5:26 am #33060
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    He has more trouble the more he holds the ball and that does go back to the Eagles.

    However, he is also very effective when he gets rid of the ball quickly. That too goes back to the Eagles.

    For example, according to PFF, in 2014, when he got rid of the ball quickly (under 2.5 seconds) he had a qb rating of 103.5 (ranked 11th) and a completion percentage of 73.4% (ranked 6th, tied with Romo). But when he held the ball (2.6 seconds or over), his qb ranking fell to 59.4 (37th), and his completion percentage fell to 46.4% (38th).

    In 2014, he held the ball too long (again 2.6 seconds or over) on just over 50% of his attempts.

    So to me it’s not that he just invariably holds the ball. It’s that he’s better when he doesn’t and much worse when he does.

    In 2015?

    He has a qb rating of 86.8 when he throws quickly (ranked 25th) and a completion percentage of 69.1% (ranked 20th), but also has aqb rating of 68.1 when he holds the ball (ranked 30th) and a completion percentage of 43.9% (ranked 34th). In 2015, he holds the ball on just under 44% of his attempts.

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    October 27, 2015 at 6:55 am #33062
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    Yeah, but wouldn’t how long he holds the ball be partially out of his control? If his first read is open he can throw quickly. But if his first read fails to get separation, then he has to move through his other reads until he finds someone who is open which means he has to hold the ball longer.

    So we just can’t say “Foles should just throw quicker”, because when he throws isn’t entirely up to him.

    October 27, 2015 at 9:04 am #33063
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    nittany ram wrote:

    Yeah, but wouldn’t how long he holds the ball be partially out of his control? If his first read is open he can throw quickly. But if his first read fails to get separation, then he has to move through his other reads until he finds someone who is open which means he has to hold the ball longer.

    So we just can’t say “Foles should just throw quicker”, because when he throws isn’t entirely up to him.

    That’s his problem. He struggles with reads after his first. One way out of this is to tell in advance, from pre-snap reads, who is likely to be free when the ball is snapped. That was Warner;s thing. BUT that’s not even the simplest solution. The simplest is a lot of 3 step drops and bang, quick passes.

    October 27, 2015 at 10:09 am #33068
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    In terms of targets:

    Tavon is tied with Cook at 32 targets each.

    Of that, Cook has a 53 percent rating(17-32) and Tavon has a 62.5 percent rating(20-32)

    Next on the list is Kenny Britt with 24 targets. 50 percent(12-24)

    Then it’s:

    Cunningham: 76.2 percent (16-21)

    Bailey: 55.6 (10-18)

    Kendricks: 50 percent (7-14)

    Gurley: 87.5 (7-8)

    Mason: 50 (3-6)

    Quick: 25 (1-4)

    Harkey 66.7 (2-3)

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/nfl-player-receiving-targets/2015/

    Here’s more stats from that site:
    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/matchup/343-st.-louis-rams-vs-359-san-francisco-49ers/

    This 9ers game should be a high scoring affair–the number 31 ranked offense(Rams) vs. the #32 ranked offense(9ers)

    Both teams are particularly woeful trying to pass the football.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    October 27, 2015 at 10:52 am #33069
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    PA Ram wrote:

    In terms of targets:

    Tavon is tied with Cook at 32 targets each.

    Of that, Cook has a 53 percent rating(17-32) and Tavon has a 62.5 percent rating(20-32)

    Next on the list is Kenny Britt with 24 targets. 50 percent(12-24)

    Then it’s:

    Cunningham: 76.2 percent (16-21)

    Bailey: 55.6 (10-18)

    Kendricks: 50 percent (7-14)

    Gurley: 87.5 (7-8)

    Mason: 50 (3-6)

    Quick: 25 (1-4)

    Harkey 66.7 (2-3)

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/nfl-player-receiving-targets/2015/

    Here’s more stats from that site:
    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/teams/matchup/343-st.-louis-rams-vs-359-san-francisco-49ers/

    This 9ers game should be a high scoring affair–the number 31 ranked offense(Rams) vs. the #32 ranked offense(9ers)

    Both teams are particularly woeful trying to pass the football.

    I raised similar issues myself in a previous thread. The thing is, this season 4 receivers—Kendricks, Cook, Britt, and Quick—have fallen off their 2014 drop and catch percentages. Catches down, drops up.

    Either all 4 regressed at once, which makes no sense, or there is something systemic going on.

    I voted for systemic. IMO like 2011 drops go up when an offense is not in sync yet and so not confident in what they’re doing yet.

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