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    Transcript: Jeff Fisher Speaks on Foles, Free Agency, the Draft and Whole Lot More

    On the Browns Offer for Sam Bradford

    It was over the course of that weekend that we had discussions. I think we executed the trade on Tuesday. I think it was late over the weekend that there was some discussion. Discussions weren’t ongoing from the combine through trade. Well after the combine.

    On Potentially Moving the Team

    I’ve been saying. I don’t see controversy. I see us playing in 2015 in St. Louis. And as I’ve said numerous times when I want to know more information I’ll ask. Right now I don’t. I’m focused on this team. Having gone through it however, I don’t think it’d be fair to compare both situations. But the end result was good (in Tennesee) I’m looking forward to this year in St. Louis and hoping that we can get things worked out. It makes no sense for me or the players to spend time concerned about it worried about it. If it happens it happens. But going back ’95 or ’96 and early ’97, we focused on our job. I remember back them telling them don’t worry about it. It’s out of our control.

    On Kendall Langford

    They’re getting a great teammate, No. 1. He’s a hard worker. He’s loyal. He understands that the game. He plays hard. I wished him well. He called after he agreed to terms, he texted, and said thanks for the opportunity. That’s kind of the young man he is.

    On Entertaining a Trade That Didn’t Include a QB

    Yes and no. I really depends on the value. I think it would’ve made it a little more difficult. But again, all along before this thing came together we were behind Sam. We felt like Sam was gonna give us an opportunity. He was gonna come back. He was gonna be healthy. But once Nick got involved, and compensation got involved, it was a deal that was hard to pass up..

    On Nick Foles Fit With the Team

    Nick for us is the perfect fit I have talked with Chip where he thinks Sam’s the perfect fit. So this was a good deal. But for us, we get a younger quarterback that’s won a lot of games in this league, can make all the throws, and is somewhat durable. I know he’s had shoulder issues but I guess everybody does.

    On If He Was Surprised There Was So Much Interest in Bradford

    No. Because if you looked at his body of work when he did play, it’s special. He can throw the football, good decision-maker. So no, I wasn’t surprised. And they’re obviously betting on the same thing we were _ that he was gonna be successful. Healthy and successful.

    On if Sam Bradford Was Rushed Back Last Season

    There was no second-guessing He had an outstanding offseason. Participated in the OTAs. And took the month off (before camp) and threw to receivers during vacation time in Oklahoma. And came back and was practicing every day. He wasn’t limited in practice. He was fully cleared. So there was no reason to second-guess anything.

    On the Impact on Fans With Possible Relocation Looming

    We’re hoping and expecting fans to come out and watch us because we’re a much-improved football team. We’re gonna be here this year. That’s where our focus should all be on, what our approach is, and how much success we have this season. So it makes no sense to look behind this season.

    On Keeping the Players from Focusing on Possible Relocation

    You know, I’ve had some discussion with the players. And they’re actually more excited right now about what we’ve done in free agency and looking forward to what we’re doing in the draft and looking forward to coming back to work than they are talking about any potential to relocate.

    On Free Agency Thus Far

    First of all we’re excited just to keep our own. To be able to get Lance (Kendricks) and Kenny (Britt) back, that was really important to us. And then we actually targeted both Akeem (Ayers) and Nick (Fairley). From a fit standpoint and a need standpoint, those were our top two defensive players. Nick was injured last year, was in his view ready to come back and play the final game. He did not. So since then he’s been doing nothing but working out. Changed his diet, his eating habits. His weight’s under control. He’s in great shape right now. He will admit that he probably didn’t buy into it as best as he could have early on in his career. There’s not doubt in my mind he’s buying into it now. He’s serious about his football.

    On Nick Fairley

    He was excited about, you know, one coming into the building, two meeting Coach Waufle. And then three, watching and seeing what we’re doing. Now they had watched a lot of tape of ours as we did them. They had an outstanding pass rush as well.

    On Kenny Britt’s Emergence As Top Receiver

    It didn’t surprise me because obviously I know Kenny. The production didn’t surprise me. We think he can do better. I think he can do better. He thinks he can better. He thinks he can be more productive. He’s looking forward to the change _ the offensive changes. And to Nick (Foles). So yeah, we should see a lot more out of Kenny this year.

    On Akeem Ayers’ Fit

    He’s versatile. Early in his career he played for Coach Bush. He can play behind the line of scrimmage, and not entirely on the line of scrimmage. He can play outside linebacker and rush. He runs well. And he did a great job for New England, just as a stand-up rusher. He gives us another guy that hopefully he can create mismatches with, from a collapsing the pocket standpoint.

    On Ayers as a Potential Starter

    He’ll be competing with Jo-Lonn (Dunbar).

    On When Bradford Trade Talks Began

    The misconception is that it started at the combine. It didn’t. . .It came well after.

    On Bringing Back Case Keenum

    We really like Case. He was making progress, but didn’t get the opportunity I think he would’ve liked from a practice standpoint. Because he was our third, and usually the third doesn’t get (much work). But would stay out after every practice and work. Obviously (Houston) needed a quarterback. The injury thing really became difficult on them. He knew the system. Case was really the only guy out there that was familiar with the offensive system that you could plug in and play right away. So when the season was over we gave (Texans) a call.

    On Garrett Reynolds and Where He’ll Play On Offensive Line

    Garrett can play both. Garrett played some right tackle in a few games at Detroit. I thought he played pretty well. He’s a big strong physical guard or right tackle. He was at North Carolina when Cignetti was at North Carolina. And Boo had him in Atlanta. He’s physical. He’s healthy. He’s one of those guys that just brings you good depth.

    On Work Still Needing to Be Done

    Yeah, there’s still some spots available if you will. (jokes)

    More on the Offensive Line [Could be Very Young]

    Our preference obviously is to develop players. This draft in particular is outstanding as far as the offensive line is concerned. There’s still several free agents out there that we’re in discussions with. But we’re looking towards drafting. It’s not one of those things that we’re gonna panic about, particularly because of who we’ve got lined up. Barrett (Jones) showed in a brief appearance that he can play. We have confidence in Demetrius Rhaney that he can come in and compete at the spot as well. And then we’ve got Greg (Robinson) and Rog (Rodger Safflold). So I’m kind of excited about what direction we’re headed with it.

    On Re-Signing Joseph Barksdale

    We’d like to have him back. There’s been discussions.

    On If He’s Surprised Barksdale Is Still Available

    Yes and no. I was a little surprised at their asking price initially. I think things have settled down a little bit so we’d love to have Joe. Joe played, he played well at times. He had some outstanding games. Had some difficult matchups as well. But Joe knows us. And Joe knows Coach Boudreau. And it makes sense to get Joe back.

    On Singing More Free Agents

    Well it’s other money or ideal fit. Because there’s some players out there that still have value at a number of positions. Once we get back from the meetings, things tend to pick up again. So we may have another visit or two.

    On Being Open to Draft Day Trades

    Even since last year’s trade we’ve been doing some wheeling and dealing. With the Mark Barron trade and the Nick Foles trade. But we feel good. We got a compensatory pick back. Like we’ve always said, there’s options there. To go up, stay put, or move back and gather picks.

    More on the Bradford Trade

    At the end, it was a great situation for both clubs, both teams were excited about the outcome.

    On Still Drafting a Quarterback

    No. It’s our intention to draft one. The Nick trade has no bearing over what we do in the draft.

    On Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota

    They’re unique. They’re rare. They’ve clearly proven they can win games. Marcus obviously is a little bit more mobile than Winston is. But Winston makes all of the throws. They’re both very impressive to watch.

    On Whether Going from Spread to Pro Style Offense Will Be Difficult for Mariota

    I don’t think it’s going to be difficult. He’s been working under those circumstances now in training situations. I think it just adds to the intrigue. He tested out so well as an athlete.

    On Whether or Not He’d Trade up for Mariota

    Well, you know how I am with respect to hypotheticals. (laughs)

    On Being Known for Being Active on Draft Day

    We’ll see. I think it’s highly unlikely that either one of them gets to us. They’re both very talented players.

    On Other QB’s in the Draft

    There’s some outstanding players. Once you get beyond (Winston and Mariota). We’re just starting the process. My understanding’s based on our first wave draft meetings that there’s some young quarterbacks that can play.

    On Bryce Petty

    Good combine. Got a very strong arm. Good athlete. You don’t see him do things that we’re gonna ask him to do so I think you have to see him actually work out, private workout, things like that.

    On Bringing a QB Along Slowly [like Steve McNair]

    I still think it’s an individual thing. The progression relates directly to the individual player. Some players can come in and should and will play sooner than others. We stuck to our plan with Steve. We got him experience over the first couple years. He didn’t start until his third year. . . .But I think you’ll see players play a little sooner now but again so much of it has to do with the individual player.

    On Andy Reid’s Offense

    Well, he’s come a long ways since his punt, pass, and kick days. I say that because we played against each other in high school.

    On Austin Davis

    Austin’s still in our plans. He’s still gonna come in and compete. We’re gonna let Austin and Case compete for that 2 spot. That’s our plan.

    On Whether Or Not Austin Davis Can Get Back to Mistake Free Football

    Yeah. One factor to consider is the offensive change. We’re gonna be doing different things. . . that we asked Austin to do. I think Austin has a chance. You can see, he’s got a quick release. He’s got mobility.

    On What He’s Doing Differently

    We’re gonna throw it quicker.

    On Lance Kendricks

    Coach Boras I think had a lot to do with him coming back. They talked throughout the process. I think when we sat down, we made the offensive change, the offense sat down there and started reviewing our run game and our passing game, it became apparent to them that Lance was very important to us moving the football. And so, as an organization, we recognized that and so i was important to get him back.

    On Flexibility with Picking at 10 Overall

    There’s flexibility. There’s no doubt we’re gonna get an outstanding player at 10. It depends on who’s there as always. And if somebody sees value in another player that works for us, we can back out and still get a nice player.

    On Taking a Pass Rusher at 10

    It would not be inconceivable to take another defensive end. We like defensive ends and tackles.

    On Having Two Defensive Ends Whose Contracts Are Up in 2015

    That’s exactly it. It’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

    On Picking Up Where They Left Off Defensively

    Gregg (Williams) going into his second year with the players and the system, and just the normal changes that you go through during the offseason, our expectations are much higher earlier in the year than they were. Not that the expectations weren’t high.

    On Whether It Took Williams a While to Realize What He Had

    Yeah, I believe so. We did an awful lot, we may have done too much at camp from an install standpoint. I think now that he has a good feel for what we have, and we have a better feel for what we have that we can prune things down a little bit. And get good a few things rather than be involved in too much defense.

    On Frank Cignetti Simplifying the Playbook, Terminology

    That process started really as soon as he took over. Was promoted. They’re spending a lot of time, behind closed doors, going back and reviewing what happened last year, and making changes and those kind of things. And that’s no different than any other offense right now. So they’re doing it they feel good about it. They’re excited to get in front of the players, unfortunately in this day and age you have to wait till April.

    On Rob Boras’ Expanded Role

    Rob really does an outstanding job, particularly in our running game, and creation of the running game, and then pairing the running game up with the play-action passing. That’s where Rob, I think his value is. So he’s expanded that. He’s working closely with Cigs and the rest of the staff. It’s a collective effort. And I would say they’re probably getting close to moving on to personnel. Stay a little more focused on pre-draft stuff because it looks like on offense, the book’s just about done, which is impressive.

    On What He Likes About Nick Foles

    I think we liked what everybody else liked about Nick. He’s just a great young man. It starts there. Nothing but compliments from anybody that’s been around him. Even prior to coming to Philly. So outstanding young man. He’s got mobility. Makes good decisions. Likes to put the ball down the field. From everything we can tell because it’s just been a couple weeks…great teammate. Everybody says he’s a great teammate. He loves the building. He comes early, stays late. We’re excited to have him as I’m sure Chip and his staff and the Eagles are excited to have Sam.

    On Giving Up on Sam Bradford

    I’ve been on record many times. There’s two reasons that I came to this organization. One was our owner and second was Sam. It’s been difficult on Sam and been difficult on us because he’s not been available. This is a good situation for us. We got a quarterback. We got compensation. And it’s a deal that both clubs ended up being very excited about. This just happens to be one of those things that happens in sports that’s good for both sides.

    On 2013 Nick Foles

    What Nick did in 13 was real impressive. And even the things that he did in ’12 with Andy (Reid). Yes, people are gonna get a little bit banged up. He got a little bit banged up last year. We felt like he could do the things we need him to do to get where we needed to get to.

    More On 2013 Foles

    When you have those kind of numbers, it’s about making decisions, getting rid of the football quickly, throwing with accuracy. A lot has to do with the scheme, too. It was a new scheme in ’13. It took some people time to adjust to that. He makes good decisions.

    On 2014 Nick Foles and Interceptions

    They happen. I wasn’t concerned about that. He was a little banged up. People may have adjusted a little bit to the tempo. But no concerns about it.

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    On Lance Kendricks

    when we sat down, we made the offensive change, the offense sat down there and started reviewing our run game and our passing game, it became apparent to them that Lance was very important to us moving the football. And so, as an organization, we recognized that and so i was important to get him back.

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    Some interesting points …

    On Potentially Moving the Team

    I’ve been saying. I don’t see controversy. …

    But the end result was good (in Tennesee) I’m looking forward to this year in St. Louis and hoping that we can get things worked out.

    It makes no sense for me or the players to spend time concerned about it worried about it. … It’s out of our control. …

    On the Impact on Fans With Possible Relocation Looming

    We’re hoping and expecting fans to come out and watch us because we’re a much-improved football team. We’re gonna be here this year. That’s where our focus should all be on, what our approach is, and how much success we have this season. So it makes no sense to look behind this season. …

    OK, this is rather insensitive to fans. Sure–Fish is handling the players appropriately. He’s a coach … what can he say?

    But, to ask StL fans to see the TENN situation as having worked out well … or saying there’s no controversy … or, especially, saying he expects fans to come out because the team is better …

    Please. How maddening would be for StL fans to see an emerging team … on its way out the door? Come on, Fish. Don’t ask fans to rise above it all. Avoid rubbing their noses in it.

    On Still Drafting a Quarterback

    No. It’s our intention to draft one. The Nick trade has no bearing over what we do in the draft.

    Damn good to hear …

    On Kenny Britt’s Emergence As Top Receiver …

    He’s looking forward to the change _ the offensive changes. And to Nick (Foles). So yeah, we should see a lot more out of Kenny this year.

    On Lance Kendricks

    … I think when we sat down, we made the offensive change, the offense sat down there and started reviewing our run game and our passing game, it became apparent to them that Lance was very important to us moving the football. And so, as an organization, we recognized that and so i was important to get him back.

    On Frank Cignetti Simplifying the Playbook, Terminology

    That process started really as soon as he took over. Was promoted. They’re spending a lot of time, behind closed doors, going back and reviewing what happened last year, and making changes and those kind of things. And that’s no different than any other offense right now. So they’re doing it they feel good about it. They’re excited to get in front of the players, unfortunately in this day and age you have to wait till April.

    I may be reading into things here. But, I think the Lance and Britt situations are suggestive. Neither fulfilled potential under Schotty. I wouldn’t blame Schotty very much. But it sort of seems that Fish was becoming impatient with Schotty’s system, is excited for a new one–OK, a coach would say that–but is seeing current players through the eyes of a new system and seeing untapped potential.

    I dunno from nothing. But I am a bit intrigued …

    On Picking Up Where They Left Off Defensively

    Gregg (Williams) going into his second year with the players and the system, and just the normal changes that you go through during the offseason, our expectations are much higher earlier in the year than they were. Not that the expectations weren’t high.

    On Whether It Took Williams a While to Realize What He Had

    Yeah, I believe so. We did an awful lot, we may have done too much at camp from an install standpoint. I think now that he has a good feel for what we have, and we have a better feel for what we have that we can prune things down a little bit. And get good a few things rather than be involved in too much defense.

    He BETTER hold Williams RESPONSIBLE to pick things up exactly where they were and grow from there!

    And I still can’t understand why it took Williams so long to “Realize What He Had.”

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    #21555
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    Well if we are to believe Fisher
    both the offense and defense will be
    simplified a bit.

    I wonder if that is true,
    and i wonder why they would do it,
    and i wonder if it is a good thing
    or a bad thing.

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    and i wonder why they would do it,

    Execution. Less to think about.

    And it;s different for the offense and defense.

    On offense, they are cutting back how playcalls work. Less terminology, and I would imagine, less built-in variations per play.

    On defense, it’s just the sheer number of defenses Wms fields. Less to learn. Again, execution. He already did it once–Fisher asked Wms to scale back the defense during the season, and it automatically improved as a result. For example we stopped seeing those 3-man DL zone blitz schemes.

    What Fisher is noticing of course is that one of the HUGE problems with the Rams is precisely execution. This is one reason I never bought into coordinator blaming–if you watch Rams plays that go wrong, far more often than not it’s an execution issue.

    One way to fix execution issues is to have the players thinking about less and so doing things with more confidence.

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    and i wonder why they would do it,

    Execution. Less to think about.

    And it;s different for the offense and defense.

    On offense, they are cutting back how playcalls work. Less terminology, and I would imagine, less built-in variations per play.

    On defense, it’s just the sheer number of defenses Wms fields. Less to learn. Again, execution. He already did it once–Fisher asked Wms to scale back the defense during the season, and it automatically improved as a result. For example we stopped seeing those 3-man DL zone blitz schemes.

    What Fisher is noticing of course is that one of the HUGE problems with the Rams is precisely execution. This is one reason I never bought into coordinator blaming–if you watch Rams plays that go wrong, far more often than not it’s an execution issue.

    One way to fix execution issues is to have the players thinking about less and so doing things with more confidence.

    Well does it also mean the Rams players
    are not the brightest bulbs in the box?

    Also, is it possible they just think
    they finally have the raw physical “talent”
    to just line up and beat the other teams
    without a lot of complex schemes?

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    Well does it also mean the Rams players
    are not the brightest bulbs in the box?

    No. Schott was famous for his offenses being complicated–he built in a lot of sight adjustments and variations into each play. IMO this was the one complaint that Jets players made about him that had any reality to it.

    Williams is famous for going mad scientist and multiplying the fronts and packages he fields.

    I suppose that the Rams players being predominantly young factors in too.

    This is Fisher trimming excess, IMO.

    Here’s an article about Schott JT wrote right after he was hired.

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    Schottenheimer defends his system

    January 25, 2012

    BY JIM THOMAS

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/schottenheimer-defends-his-system/article_6955b714-b6a0-594f-8b0e-a595be8ce1fe.html

    MOBILE, ALA. • Brian Schottenheimer had been out of New York for little more than a week when his former head coach, Rex Ryan, delivered a parting gift. Or parting shot.

    In the wake of a late-season collapse that left the Jets at 8-8 and out of the playoffs, Ryan told a New York radio station that Schottenheimer’s verbiage — the language of calling plays and discussing the offense — was too complicated.

    On Tuesday, during his introductory conference call as the Rams’ new offensive coordinator, Schottenheimer returned volley.

    Asked if his verbiage was too complicated, Schottenheimer replied: “I don’t. I really don’t. I think it’s one of those situations where as you go through the thing, we’re going to do things that our players know and understand well.

    “I do not think that the verbiage is a problem. And if it ever became that, I would hope that somebody spoke up and came to me and said, ‘Hey the verbiage is too much.’ But that’s never happened in my career.”

    A ‘somebody” like, say Ryan.

    Schottenheimer’s verbiage no longer is the Jets’ problem. He and the Jets had a parting of the ways following the 2011 regular season. Some have interpreted that as Schottenheimer being pushed out the door — fired, because he had time left on his contract. But he said Tuesday he was ready for a change.

    Would he still be with the Jets had they not lost their last three games?

    “I don’t think so,” he replied. “I believe that change is positive. Having been there for six years, I can look back on all those great games and comeback victories. … But I was excited about the possibility of a change and I quite honestly couldn’t be more pleased with how it ended up — that I’m here in St. Louis working for a guy that is just a terrific head coach.”

    The verbiage issue is one of interest in St. Louis now that Schottenheimer is on coach Jeff Fisher’s staff, particularly with quarterback Sam Bradford about to learn his third offense in three seasons.

    Schottenheimer grew up in coaching with the “digit” system of play-calling, a staple of the “Air Coryell” offense of former coaching great Don Coryell. In that system, for example, pass routes are called by numbers. Hence the game-winning touchdown pass to Isaac Bruce in Super Bowl XXXIV, against Fisher’s Tennessee Titans, was “9-9-9 H balloon.” (Mike Martz, Rams offensive coordinator at the time, was a Coryell disciple.)

    At the Senior Bowl on Tuesday, one coach familiar with the Jets’ offense said Schottenheimer actually altered the way plays were called — using more concepts and fewer digits in the system — to help quarterback Mark Sanchez.

    Schottenheimer, who met Bradford on Monday, said Bradford should have no trouble getting the verbiage down.

    “Sam and I, as we work through the process and get things going here in a few months, it will not be a problem,” Schottenheimer said. “I understand how smart he is and how much he wants to work and is excited about the opportunity.”

    In reality, Schottenheimer said there are only so many kinds of routes you can run and so many kinds of running plays.

    “We all have the same plays,” he said.

    Over the years, he has been exposed to enough systems that he’ll be able to quickly “translate” any differences in terminology while Bradford is learning the playbook.

    “I know some of the things that Josh (McDaniels) was doing,” Schottenheimer said of the man he is replacing. “I know some of the things that Sam did his first year under (former offensive coordinator) Pat Shurmur, so I can kind of translate a lot of those languages. But it will be certainly different.”

    Schottenheimer is working his way through tape of Bradford’s Rams games; he’s about 12 to 14 games through 2010, Bradoford’s rookie year. He had yet to delve into 2011.

    “Obviously, he’s extremely gifted, extremely talented,” Schottenheimer siad. “I’m watching the film, getting a sense of how accurate he is with the football and how well he actually moves around and has made plays.

    “That was one of the things that jumped off the film at me. But it’ll be a fun process going through and looking at all the games and just getting a sense of where he’s at. I’ve been around a lot of young quarterbacks, but I think this guy’s got a chance to be real special.”

    As he studies Bradford, Schottenheimer also is going through the process of finding a quarterbacks coach, something the Rams didn’t have last season.

    “That was one of the first things Jeff and I talked about,” Schottenheimer said. “It’s something that I really, truly believe in as well. The quarterback needs to be taught no different than everybody else. There’s fundamentals, there’s techniques that need to be taught and stressed. … We will obviously look at a lot of different people and it will be a very, very important hire just like all the staff hirings will be for us.”

    #21566
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    Well does it also mean the Rams players
    are not the brightest bulbs in the box?

    No. Schott was famous for his offenses being complicated–he built in a lot of sight adjustments and variations into each play. IMO this was the one complaint that Jets players made about him that had any reality to it.

    Williams is famous for going mad scientist and multiplying the fronts and packages he fields.

    I suppose that the Rams players being predominantly young factors in too.

    This is Fisher trimming excess, IMO.

    I wonder what Fisher’s style is like — i mean
    at the end of the year when he sits down to think about things,
    does he ask his veteran players for input? Does he ask Chris Long
    and Kenny Britt what they think needs changed?

    Or does he just ask Bernie about
    things.

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    #21568
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    Well, first of all, I can’t see how simplifying things can make that much of a difference. Unless …

    > It’s a transitional thing or …
    > You have personnel who somehow need simplicity to thrive.

    Or, of course, both. And in both cases, the coaches and coordinators would be responsible for asking “too much” complexity too soon or from players who can’t handle it. Which gets back to me comment on Williams learning to understand what he has … rather late.

    2nd, simplifying things ain’t enough. On defense, as I have said 100 times, I think Williams fails to understand the ASSETS he has with a DL that can get to the passer on its own. He actually commented on that last summer, before camp. He said he’d never had that kind of pass rush and might need to adjust. Then he coached our DL to a record level of futility in rushing the passer for, what, 6 games? That’s not necessarily a matter of simplifying. If is a matter of challenging short routes to give the DL time to get to the QB.

    On offense, what I think I’m hearing referring to the ways Kendricks and Britt were used has nothing to do with simplicity. Both guys are vets with lots of experience. Both languished in production for various reasons, including the QB issue and also decisions made about how to attack. Kendricks was asked to block while Cook ran routes. Much of the year, Britt was seldom targeted. Simplification doesn’t solve that. Maybe it could help Tavon if he is indeed cognitively slow. But I don’t see how simplification would help our offense all that much or how it would provide hope for more productivity from Kenny or Lance.

    As for execution … well, I just fundamentally disagree with anyone saying that the problems we had on D or on O were primarily about execution. Except in the sense that we had substandard OL and QBs playing.

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    #21569
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    > It’s a transitional thing or …
    > You have personnel who somehow need simplicity to thrive.

    Or.

    It’s too complicated.

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    #21570
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    Or.

    It’s too complicated.

    Which would then be on the coordinator, right?

    As for being too complicated … I just don’t get that. Lots of complicated systems have been effective. As have simpler ones. There has to be a fit between scheme and personnel. And the coordinator is responsible for that.

    As we saw when the DEN OC came to us and tried to use the system that had been brilliant with DEN’s roster but was disastrous for us.

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    #21572
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    hich would then be on the coordinator, right?

    Well to me it’s the one legit complaint that followed Schott from NY to the Rams.

    But at the same time, I think of it as being on the head coach’s taste and patience in relation to the coordinator.

    Cause there ARE advantages to having mulitiple situational variations built in. It’s a matter of the head coach weighing the advantages longterm v. the gains short term.

    For example, the same thing goes on with McD’s offense. It is notoriously full of built-in sight variations. It didn’t work with the Patz in 2013 when their receivers were reduced to a lot of young guys. Brady even threw fits on the field because the WRs kept screwing up. But, Bellichick went with it and they just waited for the players to catch up.

    Fisher wants to simplify.

    Which btw you took as reducing to simplicITY. He isn’t doing that, from what I saw. SimplifyING isn’t the same as reducing to simpliCITY.

    #21575
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    Which btw you took as reducing to simplicITY. He isn’t doing that,
    from what I saw. SimplifyING isn’t the same as reducing to simpliCITY.

    I dont know what you mean.

    w
    v

    #21576
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    You have personnel who somehow need simplicity to thrive.

    zn wrote:

    Which btw you took as reducing to simplicITY. He isn’t doing that,
    from what I saw. SimplifyING isn’t the same as reducing to simpliCITY

    I dont know what you mean.

    w
    v

    I was referring to the first remark quoted here. Just a small vocab issue. I was going all semantics.

    hh

    #21579
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    ..

    Here is some more (earlier) stuff on this whole “simplifying” thing.

    Just to see what they’ve been saying about it.

    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher, Offensive Coordinator Frank Cignetti (2-13-15)

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/fisher-cignetti-transcript-212/

    FISHER: I personally had plenty of time to go back and reflect and look at the offense and identify some areas that need to be improved on. Like what you’re talking about with the third quarter stuff and the third-down efficiency and tying the run game to the play-action game and simplifying the offense and reducing things and establishing an identity and all those kind of things. So, those are the kind of things that we talked about and those are the things that were very attractive to me from a standpoint of not only his background, his experience just understanding offensive concepts, but also different ways of doing things. So, we are going to change, but change is good. This change is going to be very, very good for us.”

    On if the overall offensive philosophy will remain the same)
    JF: “We’re saying the same thing that I think everybody else is saying. We need to do it better. We need to execute. We need to minimize mistakes. We need to reduce the amount of information that we’re giving to the players and go out and execute. Having the opportunity to go back and look at the individual games, individual situations and deficiencies over the last couple years, those are the areas that are going to change, that are going to improve.”

    (On if there was too much volume in the offense in years past)
    JF: “I think we agreed there was at times.”

    (On if the volume of the offense hindered some of the skill players)
    JF: “I’m confident that our system will be such in April when the players come back for the offseason program, we’ll be simplified, but appear to be much more complex.”

    St. Louis Rams look to simplify offense with Frank Cignetti

    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/

    Frank Cignetti looks to have an offense that will be simpler but “appear to be much more complex.””I personally had plenty of time to go back and reflect and look at the offense and identify some areas that need to be improved on,” Fisher said. “Like what you’re talking about with the third quarter stuff and the third-down efficiency and tying the run game to the play-action game and simplifying the offense and reducing things and establishing an identity and all those kind of things.”

    Out of that laundry list of items, the word “simplifying” jumps out the most. I know what you’re thinking: How can an offense based in the principles of “ground and pound” be too complicated? Well, Fisher believes that at times the Rams’ offense was too voluminous, asking the players to remember a lot of things in a given week

    Former coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense (under Fisher’s guidance) may be fairly fundamental philosophically but it also came with plenty of shifts, movements and details that gave the players an abundance of things to do and remember on every snap.

    “The foundation of the playbook is the same,” Cignetti said. “Coach Schottenheimer’s put a terrific system in place here, the same system I was a part of when I was with the San Francisco 49ers. The foundation is going to be the same. Whether Coach Schottenheimer was still here or whether it was myself leading, every year you look at ways of doing things better.

    “So, things that we talked about was how could we minimize terminology? So there’s certain things that we did in my past that we’ll be able to minimize terminology. So, as an offensive staff, we’re going to evaluate everything. If there’s a better way to learn, if there’s a better way to teach, then we’ll make changes. We’re not going to change just to make changes, but if it’s something that’s going to help us win football games, then we’ll make the necessary changes.”

    .

    #21580
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    does it simplify the protection schemes? or does that pretty much stay the same?

    they just need to protect the qb and run the ball better. that’ll take care of a lot of problems.

    #21583
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    does it simplify the protection schemes?

    They didn’t say anything about changing schemes.

    It was all about terminology and volume. I assume that means volume of terms you need to know to know a given play?

    #21584
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    “…we’ll be simplified,
    but appear to be much more complex.”

    I dunno. This sounds Rumsfeld-ian to me.

    Maybe I will be that way in April too.
    wv-ram will be simplified
    but appear to be much more complex.

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    v ram

    #21585
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    Maybe I will be that way in April too.
    wv-ram will be simplified
    but appear to be much more complex.

    Cignetti is saying he has ways to simplify the terminology.

    That’s all he talked about. Terminology.

    No one said anything about “simplifying” the actual OFFENSE.

    .

    #21586
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    Maybe I will be that way in April too.
    wv-ram will be simplified
    but appear to be much more complex.

    Cignetti is saying he has ways to simplify the terminology.

    That’s all he talked about. Terminology.

    No one said anything about “simplifying” the actual OFFENSE.

    .

    Anyway a lot of this is all confusion-ville.

    They may not be simplifying the offense, but they ARE changing it—tweaking it, more like.

    From another article (from today):

    ===

    Fisher Talks Offensive Roster Moves

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Fisher-Talks-Offensive-Roster-Moves/6eb9cbf9-0083-4645-826d-59105cc64ea5

    Fisher didn’t divulge much about those offensive changes, other than saying that the team would like to get rid of the ball quicker.

    “One factor to consider is the offensive change,” Fisher said. “We’re going to be doing different things.”

    #21590
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Anyway a lot of this is all confusion-ville.

    They may not be simplifying the offense, but they ARE changing it—tweaking it, more like.

    From another article (from today):

    ===

    Fisher Talks Offensive Roster Moves

    Myles Simmons

    http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Fisher-Talks-Offensive-Roster-Moves/6eb9cbf9-0083-4645-826d-59105cc64ea5

    Fisher didn’t divulge much about those offensive changes, other than saying that the team would like to get rid of the ball quicker.

    “One factor to consider is the offensive change,” Fisher said. “We’re going to be doing different things.”

    I think long drives that end in TDs is better than just getting rid of the ball.

    #21592
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    does it simplify the protection schemes?

    They didn’t say anything about changing schemes.

    It was all about terminology and volume. I assume that means volume of terms you need to know to know a given play?

    i wonder what that means for tavon. will that unleash tavon? if he doesn’t need to know as much on a given play?

    #21593
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    I think long drives that end in TDs is better than just getting rid of the ball.

    Well remember, the object isnt to score TDs,
    its to “appear to be more complex.”

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    #21594
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    It is like Fisher foresees that we will not have the offensive line to protect the QB this year. We had better get rid of it quick. And/or Foles is better when he doesn’t have to think too much or both. That is just conjecture. We will have to see how it works out. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #21597
    NERam
    Participant

    I think long drives that end in TDs is better than just getting rid of the ball.

    Well remember, the object isnt to score TDs,
    its to “appear to be more complex.”

    w
    v

    Precisely why I am astounded that the Phantom Sack never gained any momentum. Interceptions would decrease, your QB’s knees might go more than a couple of seasons if executed properly. And, opposing defenses would for sure be scratching their heads, wondering what the H are those guys doing? Total confusion of the opposition is well within their grasp.

    #21598
    Avatar photozn
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    It is like Fisher foresees that we will not have the offensive line to protect the QB this year. We had better get rid of it quick. And/or Foles is better when he doesn’t have to think too much or both. That is just conjecture. We will have to see how it works out.

    I promise you they will have a decent OL. Since Fisher came to St.Louis, any time these OLs have been relatively healthy, they have played well. And that includes lines with guys like Turner and Smith, who never did anything since.

    #21604
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    It is like Fisher foresees that we will not have the offensive line to protect the QB this year. We had better get rid of it quick. And/or Foles is better when he doesn’t have to think too much or both. That is just conjecture. We will have to see how it works out.

    I promise you they will have a decent OL. Since Fisher came to St.Louis, any time these OLs have been relatively healthy, they have played well. And that includes lines with guys like Turner and Smith, who never did anything since.

    When the Rams were healthy it depended on the level of competition. If they played below average defensive lines they looked good. If they played above average defensive lines they looked bad. This is a relative and general judgement and just an opinion.

    Agamemnon

    #21605
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    After reading about Cignetti from his college offensive coordinator days, I am very optimistic and curious. I think he will do some great things.

    #21608
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    When the Rams were healthy it depended on the level of competition. If they played below average defensive lines they looked good. If they played above average defensive lines they looked bad.

    I dunno Ag. Remember them playing SF tough twice in 2012? And playing Houston and then Seattle (at home) tough in 2013?

    #21613
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    When the Rams were healthy it depended on the level of competition. If they played below average defensive lines they looked good. If they played above average defensive lines they looked bad.

    I dunno Ag. Remember them playing SF tough twice in 2012? And playing Houston and then Seattle (at home) tough in 2013?

    That was a long time ago. Maybe in a different Galaxy. 😉 I think, right now, I rate the offensive line as maybe the worst unit on the team. But, it is not so much that the Rams, in most areas (under perform might not be the right way to say it.) as they seem to never live up to expectations. All that being said, I think that they did more this year to improve the team, so far, than I expected. I hesitate to expect more than 8-8 simply cause they haven’t been 8-8 in 3 years.

    Agamemnon

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