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June 11, 2015 at 6:48 pm #26127sdramParticipant
Phyllie just cut him.
by Sean d’Oliveira | CBSSports.com
Thu, 11 Jun 2015 3:59 PM ET
The Eagles decided to part ways with guard Evan Mathis, reports USA Today and NFL.com.
Mathis had not been attending the team’s offseason activities while demanding an increase in salary. He was due $5.5 million in base salary during the 2015 season.
Mathis has started 56 games for the Eagles over the last four seasons. He is a two-time Pro Bowl selection.
Topics: Evan Mathis, Rumor, Philadelphia Eagles, NFL
June 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm #26128znModeratorI dunno. They cut him cause he wanted more than 5.5 M.
So looks costly.
June 12, 2015 at 4:15 pm #26163HerzogParticipantpay the man! we got the cap room don’t we?
June 12, 2015 at 4:20 pm #26164znModeratorpay the man! we got the cap room don’t we?
He will want more than 5.5 M but then the Rams could structure it so the big hit comes in year 2 of the contract not year 1. They’ve done that.
Not sure, though, that either he or the Rams are interested.
June 12, 2015 at 4:45 pm #26166canadaramParticipantFor that kind of money, at his age, I’d say no thanks. If it shakes out that he’s willing to take a short term deal at a fair price then I’d be all for it. I still feel like the Rams need a veteran for the line.
June 12, 2015 at 5:15 pm #26169sdramParticipantSounds to me like he wants another big pay day before he rides off into the sunset. He’s been around a while – 10 years. I’m not sure how he fits Fisher’s run first – big boy OG, youth model or how a big deal would work at this point.
Still, I’d like to think that he could be this teams Timmerman if he’s willing to play until his body quits him. But, I don’t know that for certain.
June 15, 2015 at 1:18 am #26292znModeratorEvan Mathis won’t “necessarily rush” into new deal
Josh Alper
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/14/evan-mathis-wont-necessarily-rush-into-new-deal/
The Eagles released guard Evan Mathis last week after more than a year of the veteran pushing for a new contract with the organization, leaving the Eagles to find a new starting job and Mathis to find a new team.
His agent Drew Rosenhaus said that Mathis might not sign with that team in the immediate future. While appearing on The Joe Rose Show on WQAM in Miami, Rosenhaus said that “at least half a dozen” teams have already reached out to him about Mathis’s services and that they would take their time weighing their options.
“It’s wide open and there’s a lot of interest in Evan,” Rosenhaus said. “Between now and the start of training camp, I definitely expect him to have a new home. I think we’ll be methodical, we won’t necessarily rush into signing immediately.”
Rosenhaus wouldn’t name any of the teams, saying only that he’s heard from “the usual suspects” when asked about interest from the Dolphins, and wouldn’t say what would be the most significant factor in Mathis’s ultimate decision. Given his desire for a contract that would pay him more than the $5.5 million he was set to make with the Eagles this year, however, it seems likely that he’ll be trying for more and that may be part of the reason for an extended timeline to find his next home.
June 15, 2015 at 9:06 am #26297HramParticipantIs he a mauler? A good guard but I am not sure his style of play will fit this tea.
June 15, 2015 at 10:01 am #26300znModeratorIs he a mauler? A good guard but I am not sure his style of play will fit this tean.
Apparently not a mauler. Some think him leaving Phil was good for them.
Here are a couple of different views. Sorry, the Tra Thomas one is annoyingly repetitive.
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Tra Thomas: Eagles Are Better On Left Side Without Evan Mathishttp://gcobb.com/2015/06/13/tra-thomas-eagles-are-better-on-left-side-without-evan-mathis/
Former Eagles Pro Bowl left offensive tackle Tra Thomas was on 97.5 The Fannatic yesterday talking about the departure of Pro Bowl left guard Evan Mathis and he has some very interesting things to say. He doesn’t think the sky is falling when it comes to the departure of Mathis. In fact, Thomas believes the Eagles are better without Mathis.
“I know Evan is a two-time Pro Bowler, but he and Jason Peters play a different style of game” Thomas said. “Evan Mathis is a guy who likes to jump set and likes to take everything at the line of scrimmage. Jason Peters is a guy who likes to set back and let his guy come to him. He came up in the same school of thought as Juan (Castillo). He likes to count his steps and everything is timing and about punching the guy (rusher) to take him past the quarterback.”
Thomas says there have been fundamental problems on the left side of the Eagles offensive line because of the different ways the two Pro Bowlers chose to block the pass rushers. Maybe this explains why Peters was supportive of Mathis when asked about his teammate. In fact, Peters said he won’t miss him.
“Evan is taking his guy right on the line and Jason Peters is about three yards behind him. He’s setting back and that puts them on two different levels which creates issues and problems when the rushers run games against them. Lot of times if you saw the film, you saw issues. They were on different levels.”
Thomas believes there will be noticeable improvement with the insertion of Barbre into the lineup.
“When you bring in Allen Barbre on that left side, Big Al and Jason. They kind of move the same. I think you will see a better rapport and better chemistry. These two will play better together. Just because Allen sets more at a 45 degree angle and he punches his guy.”
“When you go back and review the film and and look at how he has been playing I know he made the Pro Bowl, but when you look at his style of play. He doesn’t the play the way I would want my guards to play. I know it’s going to fit somewhere. But when you look at what was going on back out there on the field you could see Jason didn’t trust him. He creates a problem when it comes to protection. Evan Mathis likes to jump his guy on the line so if you have a guy that’s setting. It’s one thing if you have both the tackle and guard jumping at the line. When you’re on different levels so it creates problems.”
“You know exactly what they’re going to get out of Allen Barbre. They already know what they’re going to get out of Allen Barbre. He’s exactly what you want out of a guard. He’s got the right mentality for a guard. You’re going to see. The left side is going to be a little more firmer up especially when it comes to games. He likes to set a 45 and it makes a true U form. — It makes switching off the game a lot easier.”
“I think Coach Kelly is going back and watching the film. There were issues when it comes to protection. Now, I think the left side is good.”
At the end of the conversation Thomas mentioned Matt Tobin and Dennis Kelly. He spoke highly of Tobin, which was music to my ears.
“I think the left side is good. But I think you look at what’s going to be happen at right guard. I like Matt Tobin and what he brings to the game. Dennis Kelly is a little tall for the guard position. Taller guards kind of struggle in the league.”
So that’s two former NFL offensive linemen, who have vouched for Tobin. Brian Baldinger of NFL Network had good things to say about Tobin, who is probably going to be the starter at right guard for the regular season.
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Evan Mathis a good fit for Rams but are they for him?
By Nick WagonerEARTH CITY, Mo. — Given the youth the St. Louis Rams are projected to start on their offensive line in 2015, there’s not an available solid, veteran option that hasn’t been mentioned as a possibility to sign with the team.
So within minutes of the Philadelphia Eagles releasing two-time Pro Bowl guard Evan Mathis Rams fans everywhere began wondering if the team would pursue him. The Rams were rumored to have interest in Mathis via trade back in March, but those rumors were overblown. Now, they aren’t likely to make a real run at Mathis unless his price drops.
Considering that the Rams are currently using third-round rookie Jamon Brown at right guard, Mathis would be a logical fit from a purely football perspective.
Mathis has long been considered one of the league’s best interior linemen. Even though he’s 33, Mathis has gotten better with age. He’s been to each of the past two Pro Bowls and was an All-Pro in 2013. For what it’s worth, Mathis was Pro Football Focus’ second highest-rated guard in 2014 and third-highest rated guard when it comes to run blocking.
From a scheme standpoint, Mathis has proved capable of handling man and zone blocking schemes and would have no trouble fitting in with the Rams in that regard, either.
All of that said, while Mathis might be a good fit for the Rams when it comes to football, there are a number of reasons this isn’t a likely match.
First and foremost, the Rams aren’t exactly flush with cap space, and Mathis looks to be seeking a payday bigger than what the Rams can likely afford. According to the salary tracker site Spotrac, after signing their remaining eight draft picks, the Rams have about $7 million in cap space. That includes only the top 51 contracts, so the Rams will still have to add two more before the season begins and still need to leave some space to sign a practice squad and for emergencies.
Theoretically, the Rams could probably make signing Mathis work, but even if they wanted to pursue him, they’d probably struggle to come up with the money and the opportunity to win that Mathis will want in a new team.
Mathis counted $5.5 million against the cap in 2014 and was said to be seeking more on a new deal. It’s also believed he’s going to want a chance to win a championship wherever he lands. Considering that there are many teams — Seattle, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Minnesota — with more cap space, a better chance to win or a combination of the two, it seems unlikely that Mathis will land in St. Louis.
June 19, 2015 at 8:52 pm #26602znModeratorThe All-22: Grading Evan Mathis’s 2014 tape with … Evan Mathis
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/06/19/evan-mathis-contract-eagles-offseason-chip-kelly
When the Eagles released left guard Evan Mathis last week, it wasn’t a huge surprise from a personnel standpoint. Mathis had long been unhappy about his contract, which was set to pay him $5.5 million in 2015 and $6 million in 2016. He had asked to be traded, and the Eagles acquiesced, but there were no takers—or, at least, none offering what Chip Kelly deemed a worthy return. And it’s not an enormous shock that a guard who will turn 34 in November would be cut, but in Mathis’s case, there was a mild uproar given his status as one of the league’s best at his position.
More than anything else, that perception was accelerated by Pro Football Focus’s ratings of Mathis’s work over the last two seasons—he was their No. 1 guard overall and their seventh-ranked player in 2013, and their No. 2 guard (behind Baltimore’s Marshal Yanda) and 59th-ranked player overall in 2014—despite missing seven games with a sprained MCL. PFF’s player rankings have gained a lot of traction in the industry, and for good reason, so there was general agreement that Kelly had gone too far in his quest to recreate the Eagles in his own image.
“Evan Mathis has been a guy PFF has championed for years, right back to his time as a backup guard with the Bengals,” PFF’s Sam Monson told me via email.
“Why? Because he has never done anything other than play excellent football. When he was locked in an unusual rotating position with the Bengals, he consistently out-graded the starter, Nate Livings. When he finally got his shot to start in Philadelphia, he set about playing like the best guard in football.
“Over the past four seasons, he has graded first, first, first and second in the PFF guard rankings. That second overall ranking in 2014 he achieved in nine games after his injury. Over his four seasons with the Eagles, he was downgraded once every 16.4 snaps as a run blocker.
“PFF isn’t the gospel of football, and certain schemes will like Mathis more than others, but the bottom line is that he is consistently one of the best performers in the game in the trenches and despite his age is showing no signs of slowing down.”
A fair enough assessment, but I hadn’t quite seen Mathis’s game that way, at least of late. Based on the tape I watched from last season, which comprised the games against Jacksonville in Week 1, Seattle in Week 14 and Dallas in Weeks 13 and 15, I wondered if Mathis will play at the level PFF presents into the future.
I also asked Bleacher Report’s Mike Tanier, an Eagles expert and an old Football Outsiders colleague of mine. Mike’s evaluation ran more in line with my own:
“Mathis wins as a run blocker when he uses initial quickness to get great positioning on his defender and pin him away from the play. The Eagles’ system helps in this regard: Mathis is usually firing off the ball without a huddle against a defender who had to hustle to get into position. Mathis handles his assignments well on inside zone plays, where he can use his experience to peel off double teams to the second level. In pass protection, he has wily veteran ‘find-a-way’ skills. A defender may beat him off the snap or overpower him, but Mathis will find a way to ride him away from the quarterback. Again, scheme helps here, as the Eagles’ pocket is often rolling, and Mathis can give a pass rusher a wide berth to the right if the quarterback is rolling left.
“Mathis is disciplined and crafty enough to be a stabilizer at guard. There’s a horizon coming where he won’t be able to make up for his lack of brute strength or top athleticism with positioning and orneriness.”
I was writing up my own unvarnished opinion when a funny thing happened.
I tweeted out a preview to this piece on Wednesday, and Mathis contacted me. We started a dialog, and I asked if he would be willing to respond to the five plays presented below with his own thoughts. So, what you’ll see here is my take on those five plays, followed by his responses. Those of us who grind tape all the time, even if we know the player responsibilities and understand the playbook, don’t know the random elements of particular plays unless we’re told.
Mathis asked me to specify that I was digging for negative plays for this piece, which is true. In trying to present a total picture of a player who has earned a reputation for stellar play, I wanted to unearth the less impressive stuff and see if it indicates a larger problem. And while I think there are issues worth addressing, Mathis’s responses do present a different picture.
Here’s the sack Mathis gave up to underrated Jaguars pass rusher Ryan Davis in Week 1. With 13:38 left in the first half, Davis lined up between Mathis and left tackle Jason Peters, and simply rode Mathis’s outside shoulder to quarterback Nick Foles for the takedown. Mathis couldn’t seal the edge and wall Davis off, and that’s what you want an elite guard to do.
Mathis: “I hate giving up sacks and haven’t given up too many in my career. This one was a weird one. The play before, I pulled outside and tried to cut the linebacker but ended up just clipping his knee with my head. I ended up with a killer stinger and noticed my entire left arm was numb when I got in my stance. I set back on Davis and punched but had no power. It caught me by surprise and I didn’t adjust well. I should have grabbed him with my right arm and dug my feet into the ground. I had the doctor working on my neck, shoulder, nerve, etc. after this series and not long after this I tore my MCL off the femur. It was such a fun day.”
The next play came in Week 13 against the Cowboys with 6:09 left in the first quarter. LeSean McCoy gains 19 yards on a really nice pull to the right side, but I had a question about Mathis’s assignment. He headed up to the second level, where Rolando McClain was chasing running back LeSean McCoy, and Mathis went right past McClain, only to recover and block him out. Tight end Brent Celek was blocking safety Barry Church playside at the second level, so I was curious about Mathis’s assignment—this looks like a whiff to people who watch it and don’t know the playbook. Why, in a case like this, does the left guard not simply take McClain out of the play right away?
Mathis: “This is a wide, outside play away from my side and my responsibility is to block McClain. Football is a game of angles. When heading up to linebacker level for an outside play, if I was to run where the linebacker was, I’d likely get out-leveraged and not make the block. Instead, I’m aiming where he’s going to be so that I can meet him there. The backer in this case came downhill too fast likely because he didn’t recognize that it was an outside play. This didn’t mesh with my angle that was expecting him to be running flat outside fast. He makes my job easy due to his poor angle, so I’m able to turn back on him and push him off course a little more — and he has no chance to impact the play.”
This play happened with 10:18 left in the second quarter in the Week 13 Dallas game. There’s an unbalanced line to the left side, with right tackle Lane Johnson between Mathis and Peters. Johnson takes tackle Nick Hayden at the snap. Mathis fires out to the left edge to block Jeremy Mincey, who loses his footing for a second as Peters chips him, and bounces off Mathis’s initial block to take McCoy down for a six-yard loss. It looked like Mathis was talking to Johnson right after the play was over. Was this an assignment issue?
Mathis: “The ball actually is supposed to hit inside of my block. Shady felt the pressure from the opposite defensive tackle, and tried to bounce it outside.”
Teams would frequently run end-tackle stunts against Peters and Mathis on the left side of the line. Against the Cowboys in Week 15 with 2:17 left in the first quarter, Mathis has to double defensive tackle Tyrone Crawford (98) and then peel off to take end Jeremy Mincey inside. Center Jason Kelce is busy dealing with tackle Nick Hayden because right guard Andrew Gardner took linebacker Rolando McClain on a blitz. Mathis looked to be late coming off the peel block on Mincey, and Mincey took Mark Sanchez down for the sack. What was the deal here?
Mathis: “Peters wasn’t doubling with me on the snap, he set and read the stunt and tried to bang it back. I was just late on this one and ended up with poor angle on Mincey, who did a great job coming around fast and strong.”
The last play under scrutiny came with 4:48 left in the first quarter of the Eagles’ Week 14 game against the Seahawks. Here, LeSean McCoy takes the handoff and makes a jump cut to the right side, but defensive tackle Tony McDaniel throws Mathis to the ground, and McCoy is stopped for a short gain. I was aghast at the fact that a top-tier guard could be thrown down like that, but Mathis advised me to look at the bigger picture.
Mathis: “It’s fourth-and-1, so I’m trying to get my head inside and get a strong initial push. He’s able to shed me and get the assist, but he didn’t get any penetration and has no upfield momentum. Now we’re first-and-goal on the 3.
So, where does Evan Mathis fit in today’s NFL? It’s my opinion that teams with a zone-blocking system with a lot of slide protection and combo blocks could benefit from his quickness and ability to hit blocks at the second level. I’m less sure about the future of his power game given what I saw, but the subject of this tape piece made it very clear to me that his 2015 tape will tell a different story. He’s earnest and motivated, and whether he gets the money he desires or not, I have little doubt regarding his future effort.
“My body of work was limited last year due to the injury,” Mathis concluded. “I’m very much ready to come back strong for an entire season and have my best year yet. I’ll listen to the age talk when I lose a step.”
And that’s where we’ll leave it—until the season begins, and Mathis gets a chance to prove his point with a new team.
When the Eagles released left guard Evan Mathis last week, it wasn’t a huge surprise from a personnel standpoint. Mathis had long been unhappy about his contract, which was set to pay him $5.5 million in 2015 and $6 million in 2016. He had asked to be traded, and the Eagles acquiesced, but there were no takers—or, at least, none offering what Chip Kelly deemed a worthy return. And it’s not an enormous shock that a guard who will turn 34 in November would be cut, but in Mathis’s case, there was a mild uproar given his status as one of the league’s best at his position.
June 20, 2015 at 11:40 am #26614znModeratorThe All-22: Grading Evan Mathis’s 2014 tape with … Evan Mathis
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/06/19/evan-mathis-contract-eagles-offseason-chip-kelly
This right here is a good read.
It compares a film assessment by an outsider to the player talking about his assignments.
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