election rigging

Same old story.

Voter disenfranchisement, always targeted at a demographic that is overwhelmingly Democrat, has been going on en masse since Jeb Bush knocked 100,000 voters off the rolls prior to the 2000 debacle. Meanwhile, they distract from the issue by screaming about voter fraud, which almost never happens.

bnw, do you imagine anyone here takes some rightie blogger seriously?

Meanwhile, this is the usual problem I see. People on the right who claim to be for rights and then just blow off the overwhelming evidence that the republicans have a voter disenfranchisement campaign going. Some republicans have even openly stated that’s what it is.

It is impossible to take someone’s views on this issue seriously if all they are is partisan bs.

If you’re not against voter disenfranchisement, which in principle ought to violate everything you believe in, then you are just a pure partisan and therefore nothing you say on this issue could possibly be taken seriously. And I don’t care if you’re just this victim of the partisan bloggers you echo. You still ought to see through it.

zn wrote:

bnw, do you imagine anyone here takes some rightie blogger seriously?

Meanwhile, this is the usual problem I see. People on the right who claim to be for rights and then just blow off the overwhelming evidence that the republicans have a voter disenfranchisement campaign going. Some republicans have even openly stated that’s what it is.

It is impossible to take someone’s views on this issue seriously if all they are is partisan bs.

If you’re not against voter disenfranchisement, which in principle ought to violate everything you believe in, then you are just a pure partisan and therefore nothing you say on this issue could possibly be taken seriously. And I don’t care if you’re just this victim of the partisan bloggers you echo. You still ought to see through it.

I’m not sure, but I think he does it on purpose. Perhaps because I made the mistake of calling him on his sources earlier. Now, I think he’s just kinda tweaking us for effect.

;>)

He tends to only post from far-right lunatic sites like Breitbart, WND, Zerohedge, and one or two owned by Trump’s son in law. I’d like to think he knows full well that they’re absolutely devoid of any credibility.

When I do my own sourcing, I try to stay with (roughly) centrist outlets, though I may stray every now and then. I think leftist sites offer better reporting in general, but if it’s a Dem/GOP food fight, I tend to stay with centrists to avoid charges of “partisan bias.” For instance, I think Jacobin is an excellent webzine, and I trust it a lot more than I trust centrist media. But in a debate, it probably pushes too many buttons for some . . . . so I’ll use it for more Big Picture stuff.

Anyway . . . .

Billy_T wrote:

When I do my own sourcing, I try to stay with (roughly) centrist outlets, though I may stray every now and then. I think leftist sites offer better reporting in general, but if it’s a Dem/GOP food fight, I tend to stay with centrists to avoid charges of “partisan bias.”

Thanks for the laughs! BTW when truth is posted it doesn’t matter from where it is posted!

Billy_T wrote:

Now, I think he’s just kinda tweaking us for effect.

I wouldn’t go too far into the motives thing. Violates the spirit.

But it is fair to call someone on their sources.

It’s the old problem. The lefties here range far and wide with their sources and do not just simply repeat partisan blogs. Mainstream, academic, commentary, and so on…it’s all mixed in.

Far too often some reps of the right just repeat rightie blogs. In terms of knowledge of sources, it’s like bringing a pen knife to a laser fight.

In saying that I am just commenting on a visible debate tendency and how evidence is used in posts.

zn wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

Now, I think he’s just kinda tweaking us for effect.

I wouldn’t go too far into the motives thing. Violates the spirit.

But it is fair to call someone on their sources.

It’s the old problem. The lefties here range far and wide with their sources and do not just simply repeat partisan blogs. Mainstream, academic, commentary, and so on…it’s all mixed in.

Far too often some reps of the right just repeat rightie blogs. In terms of knowledge of sources, it’s like bringing a pen knife to a laser fight.

In saying that I am just commenting on a visible debate tendency and how evidence is used in posts.

That’s fair. I shouldn’t engage in the motive thing. No one should.

Agree about the rest of what you say as well. There just isn’t any comparison between the two halves of the political spectrum when it comes to verifiable, fact-based, evidence-based discussion. The right is woefully lacking in legitimate credible sources, and tends to ignore the good stuff they do have access to.

And in the rare, stopped-clock moments they do stumble onto something, inevitably they blow it out of proportion to surreal degrees and then douse even that with hyperbole and paranoia.

The debate about such things, of course, never goes anywhere. But I’m beyond comfortable with my own range of reading, sourcing, etc. etc. and that of the leftists here.

btw,

If it’s true that Martin and Brazile are guilty of feeding that question to Clinton, they should suffer the consequences. And, ya know, they already have. Both were fired.

Now, if you were to follow the usual, wildly and radically disproportionate response favored by Trump the baby fascist authoritarian, then it’s the firing squad for them, right?

I mean, Trump and his brownshirts — who beat up a guy for just holding up a sign yesterday, btw — scream lockerup!! when it comes to Clinton, cuz, emails. No one in private life would be subjected to the legal system for doing what she did. At worst, they’d be fired for negligence and poor handling of IT stuff. But no one would be hauled in front of Congress and grilled for months and months on end for being stupid at IT.

Are there other things she may have done to warrant serious scrutiny? Yeah. Definitely. But the GOP won’t ever go after her for that, because it would implicate them as well. They won’t ever go after her for her role in expanding empire, the reckless support for capitalism, war, the surveillance state, etc. etc. because the GOP luvs all of that too.

Instead, they trump up nonsense about Benghazi and a private email server.

Just a thought, bnw. Why not actually try to work on behalf of the American people, instead of spending all their time trying to destroy their political opponents? Maybe if the GOP did that, they wouldn’t have a single-digit favorability rating for Congress.