Done with Caucuses.

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February 20, 2016 at 6:20 pm #39374

Mackeyser
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After Nevada and learning “how the sausage is made”, especially how the unions functioned within the process, how the Democratic establishment functioned in conjunction with the union establishment, I’m just done.

I dunno how anyone can be against Citizen’s United and against unlimited money in politics and having hedge fund billionaires buying elections and yet be FOR the various political machines having processes whereby they can dictate which candidates are on the ballot and dictate how their members vote by virtue of having the election be open and public such that their bosses and peers can see and potentially act on any vote taken.

I’m just done with this process.

I shouldn’t be surprised that the MSM is already giving the eulogy for Bernie Sanders.

I imagine what will ultimately happen is Trump will take the Reps to a brokered convention and either Rubio or Cruz will emerge.

Hillary, with the help of an enabling MSM will limp into the convention with enough to win, but only with the Super Delegates. Worse, she’ll make the mistake of slam dunking in the face of Sanders supporters and using the Super Delegates to put her over the top rather than try to win that support, so beyond what they’ve already agreed to in their debates, Sanders will have next to nothing to contribute to the DNC.

Clinton against Rubio or Cruz will be a snoozefest. Turnout will be at a RECORD low. States won’t have to worry about lines. And that favors Reps. BIGTIME.

I didn’t think it would be possible for a Republican to win in the modern era, but Clinton is the ultimate buzzkill.

I’m calling it now.

Republicans win the White House. Cruz or Rubio. It’ll be close on RECORD LOW turnout. Hardcore Repubs turn out. Can anyone tell me what a hard core Clinton supporter even looks like? That’s like saying a hardcore corporate centrist moderate…. Oh, and the VP pick will be such a pandering pick that the eyerolls will cause migraines across the nation. Hillary playing disappointed mom to the youth of America isn’t a compelling argument “You may not support me, but I support you.” Ugh, really? You couldn’t find a more passive aggressive way to put it?

Republicans will RETAIN the Senate. Low turnout will make it closer, but they just may retain it.

The DLC crowd just doesn’t fucking get it. Establishment politics isn’t enough, but by all means after 8 years of Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio (and it will be 8 years), maybe, just fucking maybe, we can finally bury the corporate wing of the Dem party.

But not until the DLC crowd loses and they don’t consider losing to Obama “losing”.

Well, Hillary losing to Ted Cruz and watching the USA turn into half of a theocracy will be the very essence of losing.

Sorry. I’m so done. Just disappointed that for a moment there was an alternative to the establishment.

Ya know, when I was a moderate Republican, she’s pretty much who I woulda wanted. Where she is now is where I was. It’s funny that she doesn’t know and her followers don’t know that she’s a moderate Republican (or what a moderate Republican was only a few years ago).

I should just go play WoW or something…

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February 21, 2016 at 1:34 am #39379

zn
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Well, fwiw, this is what the Sanders campaign is saying about Nevada:

The final results are in from Nevada and it looks like we’re going to leave another state with the roughly the same number of delegates as Hillary Clinton, maybe down just a few.

I want to be completely clear with you about what this result means: Nevada was supposed to be a state “tailor made” for the Clinton campaign, and a place she once led by almost 40 points. But today, we sent a message that will stun the political and financial establishment of this country: our campaign can win anywhere.

There are 26 primaries and caucuses in the next month, and three straight positive results for our campaign are sure to prompt an over-the-top response from the millionaires and billionaires who want to stop our campaign to transform America.

We have to be prepared for their best shot, because it’s coming.

We’re closing the gap dramatically in states that have yet to vote, and there’s a path to victory for our political revolution. If we continue to stand together, we’ll continue to win.

February 21, 2016 at 3:58 am #39381

Mackeyser
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I read that.

And I’ve already read several eulogies for the Sanders campaign from the MSM who aren’t doing a very good job of hiding their glee that Hillary won.

I mean the connection is pretty simple. Getting big money out of elections hurts who the most? the MSM. That’s where the big money GOES. Those ads on TV? Yeah, they go to TV.

You know all of this, I know.

What’s going to require a ton of deep breathing is that I called for Hillary to win SC by 16 points several weeks ago. I think that may have been optimistic, but I’ll stick with it. It won’t matter if Bernie closes to 5 points.

As far as the MSM is concerned, this race is as over for Bernie as it is for Bush. And no matter how much Debbie Wasserman Schultz lies out of her piehole that Super Delegates aren’t what they are and historically have been and rarely change their votes and thus Bernie would have to beat Hillary by 15% in order to overcome the Super Delegate advantage she has (she has nearly all of them), the MSM may be right.

Because of the Super Delegates, it is over. Even if Bernie narrowly squeaks out victories, you can’t tell me that Clinton is going to give away the Presidency if she is on the Precipice because the VOTERS wanted Bernie, but she’s a few short of victory. I mean, if Bernie is up on voted on delegates (which amount to 85% of the total delegate count) 50.1% to 49.9% and Hillary has nearly all of the Super Delegates, while you can bet the Sanders campaign will renew their calls for the Super Delegates to vote with their constituents, there’s no chance that happens and Hillary will roll to victory.

Guaranteed. And then she’ll just shrug and say “hey, we followed the rules” and ignore any questions about voter intent.

That said, I don’t think Bernie will get the delegates. I think he’ll be close, but just short.

I may have to recall my call, especially in light of Trump’s showing in SC. That changes things especially with him sweeping all of the delegates. Plus, as it’s pretty evident, I was pretty upset.

I used to think the President didn’t have that much effect on the economy and a bunch of other things. Then GW Bush came and set me straight.

Now the idea of a Clinton Presidency really bothers me… and a Trump or Rubio Presidency just scares/angers the shit out of me.

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February 21, 2016 at 6:57 am #39383

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February 21, 2016 at 1:53 pm #39397

bnw
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If Trump continues to win as large as he has there won’t be a brokered convention. Trump also defeats any democrat and there will be a record republican and independent turnout.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

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February 21, 2016 at 3:34 pm #39398

PA Ram
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Watch this if you want to feel ill:

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

February 21, 2016 at 4:11 pm #39399

Mackeyser
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I just had to laugh. An actual laugh.

I’m not even mad. I’m laughing.

Trump doesn’t beat Bernie, but he beats Hillary.

That’s what’s so funny.

What I find funny is that Bernie gets razzed about low turnout.

Okay. But he’s right that Dems win when turnout is high and turnout is much lower.

Why isn’t Hillary getting dinged any for that?

Even if the Cruz voters can’t stand Trump, they HATE Hillary with enough passion that they’ll stand in a Blizzard to vote for Bessy the cow over Hillary.

I can’t see millennials putting it all together regarding Climate Change and the Supreme Court and doing the ground work for Hillary…

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February 21, 2016 at 4:44 pm #39400
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Trump will beat Bernie too. Millennials recognize energy from the sun drives earths climate and the carbon tax is another money grab. Imagine democrats not enthused about getting to vote for another first. First woman president. I thought they lived for that opportunity. Hillary outside of being indicted can’t be dinged since the demo party power structure is upholding the agreement she had with Obama to pull out of the 2008 primary. It is Hill’s turn now. Bernie didn’t get the memo because he hasn’t been a democrat until very recently.
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February 26, 2016 at 4:08 am #39602
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Millionaire white lady throws an African American woman out of a Southern Mansion and says “let’s get back to the issues”
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February 26, 2016 at 11:25 am #39609

bnw
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Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Millionaire white lady throws an African American woman out of a Southern Mansion and says “let’s get back to the issues”

Why not Millionaire caucasian? Or why not black woman? Why is Hill a “lady” and the protester is a “woman”?

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

February 26, 2016 at 11:58 am #39611

Eternal Ramnation
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bnw wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Millionaire white lady throws an African American woman out of a Southern Mansion and says “let’s get back to the issues”

Why not Millionaire caucasian? Or why not black woman? Why is Hill a “lady” and the protester is a “woman”?

I think my description is accurate. Clinton has as I am sure you are aware touted herself a champion of women and racial justice reform. Not sure how much of this is paid for by private prison profits. Millionaire Caucasian woman throws a Black lady out of a Southern Mansion and says “let’s get back to the issues” Hmmmmm,still sounds kind of wrong.

February 26, 2016 at 1:20 pm #39615
bnw
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I agree about Hillary. It was the wording you used to describe both women that stood out to me.
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March 15, 2016 at 4:04 pm #40620

Mackeyser
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Sorry bnw,

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-sanders-outperforms-clinton-hypothetical-general-election-matchups-n520956

NBC News/ WSJ poll just prior to article posted 2/18/16 Shows these results:

Clinton: 50
Trump: 40

Clinton: 46
Cruz: 46

Sanders: 53
Trump: 37

Sanders: 50
Cruz: 40

So in BOTH likely scenarios, Sanders does better.

Also, when it comes to the Electoral map, Sanders is stronger. He holds the rust belt against Donald Trump and also opens up some western states. Against Cruz, Sanders is even stronger.

Against Clinton, Cruz has the potential to make inroads in states where conservatives have made advances like Wisconsin when voter turnout is low. Trump has the potential to peal off rust belt states and states like Florida and North Carolina.

Both of those possibilities are electoral maps to the White House even if they lose the popular vote because I can see both getting crushed in states like New York and California, especially CA.

This whole “inevitability” thing reminds me of Mitt Romney… he was the next guy up and he got waxed. Winning elections isn’t about getting behind “the next guy or gal”.

Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

March 19, 2016 at 1:56 pm #40802

bnw
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Mackeyser wrote:

Sorry bnw,

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-sanders-outperforms-clinton-hypothetical-general-election-matchups-n520956

NBC News/ WSJ poll just prior to article posted 2/18/16 Shows these results:

Clinton: 50
Trump: 40

Clinton: 46
Cruz: 46

Sanders: 53
Trump: 37

Sanders: 50
Cruz: 40

So in BOTH likely scenarios, Sanders does better.

Also, when it comes to the Electoral map, Sanders is stronger. He holds the rust belt against Donald Trump and also opens up some western states. Against Cruz, Sanders is even stronger.

Against Clinton, Cruz has the potential to make inroads in states where conservatives have made advances like Wisconsin when voter turnout is low. Trump has the potential to peal off rust belt states and states like Florida and North Carolina.

Both of those possibilities are electoral maps to the White House even if they lose the popular vote because I can see both getting crushed in states like New York and California, especially CA.

This whole “inevitability” thing reminds me of Mitt Romney… he was the next guy up and he got waxed. Winning elections isn’t about getting behind “the next guy or gal”.

No need to be sorry other than believing in those very biased polls. Trump will win against Clinton more than Sanders but win he will. You really compared Trump to Romney? This nominee differs from those before him Dole, Decider, McCain, Romney in that he will run to win.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.
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