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  • #56587
    TSRF
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    Points taken and agreed it is a very large rabbit hole we don’t want to subject all these other good people to, so no more Roe v Wade.

    I wish I could cancel your vote out, but I can’t. I’ll vote for Clinton, but whether I do or not won’t change the fact that Connecticut will go Clinton. NC on the other hand is a toss up.

    As others here have stated, I’m voting Anti-Trump, not Pro-Clinton.

    I’ve seen the needle and the damage done, Trump is more damage from my viewpoint.

    BTW, X; are the mountains in NC still considered the Smokies, or is that just SC and GA? I have a sister who lives in Norther GA, and I flew into Spartanburg, SC and rented a car and drove. Frigging beautiful area; bootlegger heaven from what I’ve been told.

    Best of luck to all of us.

    #56588
    wv
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    Well, in a perfect world, the debates would have been between Bernie, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, and Mike Pence. Gary Johnson just doesn’t do it for me, so I uninvited him.

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    I would add Lassie, myself.

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    #56589
    Billy_T
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    Billy loathes Hillary, X. Just so you know. Not sure you know that.

    I didn’t.

    I was just giving my opinion based on the only two realistic choices.
    But kudos to Billy for being on the right side of that one.

    Billy loathes Hildabeast so much he wants people to vote for her.

    I’ve never advocated for her, bnw. Have never said people should vote for Clinton. I’d much rather people vote Green or Socialist. If they ran a candidate, I’d probably advocate for the Democratic Socialists of America more than the Greens.

    Yeah, I’ve advocated against voting for Trump. But not for Clinton. To me, it’s crazy to talk about wanting real change in America while choosing Trump and the GOP. He’s not going to “drain the swamp” or alter the status quo. He’s not going to shake things up. He’s just going to give us the same old same old GOP version, and put lipstick on that pig.

    Though he will owe the Alt-Right in large part for his win. And white supremacists are going to want a return on their investment and their votes. Bottom line: As terrible as Clinton is, Trump is bigly worse.

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    #56594
    — X —
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    BTW, X; are the mountains in NC still considered the Smokies, or is that just SC and GA? I have a sister who lives in Norther GA, and I flew into Spartanburg, SC and rented a car and drove. Frigging beautiful area; bootlegger heaven from what I’ve been told.

    Best of luck to all of us.

    Yessir. Here’s the view near Asheville.

    We spend a lot of time hiking the Blue Ridge too. There’s a spot up near Graveyard Fields that has the most magnificent spot to camp. Fire pit, right on the edge of a babbling stream, 360 mountain views, and about a half mile from the lower falls. Just gotta keep an eye out for the bears.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #56600
    bnw
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    BTW, X; are the mountains in NC still considered the Smokies, or is that just SC and GA? I have a sister who lives in Norther GA, and I flew into Spartanburg, SC and rented a car and drove. Frigging beautiful area; bootlegger heaven from what I’ve been told.

    Best of luck to all of us.

    Yessir. Here’s the view near Asheville.

    We spend a lot of time hiking the Blue Ridge too. There’s a spot up near Graveyard Fields that has the most magnificent spot to camp. Fire pit, right on the edge of a babbling stream, 360 mountain views, and about a half mile from the lower falls. Just gotta keep an eye out for the bears.

    That reminds me of Clingman’s Dome.
    bbbbhttp://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/temporary-clingmans-dome-closure/

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    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #56605
    — X —
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    That reminds me of Clingman’s Dome.

    It does look like Clingman’s dome. Maybe it is. That picture came from an NC website.
    https://www.romanticasheville.com/greatsmokymountains.htm

    I was only at Clingman’s dome once, in February, two years ago.
    Coldest day ever, and we had to climb up to that thing – uphill – while the path was iced.
    That was NOT fun. Coming down – also not fun.
    Great views though. Really great views.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    #56614
    joemad
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    Allnet.org

    Sorry if it’s been posted here before

    CHOMSKY: Well, let me give an example. When I’m driving, I sometimes turn on the radio and I find very often that what I’m listening to is a discussion of sports. These are telephone conversations. People call in and have long and intricate discussions, and it’s plain that quite a high degree of thought and analysis is going into that. People know a tremendous amount. They know all sorts of complicated details and enter into far-reaching discussion about whether the coach made the right decision yesterday and so on. These are ordinary people, not professionals, who are applying their intelligence and analytic skills in these areas and accumulating quite a lot of knowledge and, for all I know, understanding. On the other hand, when I hear people talk about, say, international affairs or domestic problems, it’s at a level of superficiality that’s beyond belief.
    In part, this reaction may be due to my own areas of interest, but I think it’s quite accurate, basically. And I think that this concentration on such topics as sports makes a certain degree of sense. The way the system is set up, there is virtually nothing people can do anyway, without a degree of organization that’s far beyond anything that exists now, to influence the real world. They might as well live in a fantasy world, and that’s in fact what they do. I’m sure they are using their common sense and intellectual skills, but in an area which has no meaning and probably thrives because it has no meaning, as a displacement from the serious problems which one cannot influence and affect because the power happens to lie elsewhere.

    Now it seems to me that the same intellectual skill and capacity for understanding and for accumulating evidence and gaining information and thinking through problems could be used — would be used — under different systems of governance which involve popular participation in important decision-making, in areas that really matter to human life.

    There are questions that are hard. There are areas where you need specialized knowledge. I’m not suggesting a kind of anti-intellectualism. But the point is that many things can be understood quite well without a very far-reaching, specialized knowledge. And in fact even a specialized knowledge in these areas is not beyond the reach of people who happen to be interested.

    #56636
    Billy_T
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    Good article, Joe. There have been several studies talking about the simplistic nature of political speech. Here’s one article about that:

    Why do you have to go and make things so complicated Donald Trump’s speeches are at a fourth-grade level, study finds October 21, 2015

    The secret to a successful presidential campaign might lie on the simplicity of speech. Case in point: Donald Trump. Trump has been leading in the polls for months now and, according to a Flesch-Kincaid readability test that ranks speech by grade level, he’s been making speeches at a fourth-grade level. The two candidates speaking at the highest grade levels — Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilmore — are struggling in the polls. The Boston Globe reports:

    The Republican candidates — like Trump — who are speaking at a level easily understood by people at the lower end of the education spectrum are outperforming their highfalutin opponents in the polls. Simpler language resonates with a broader swath of voters in an era of 140-character Twitter tweets and 10-second television sound bites, say specialists on political speech. [The Boston Globe]

    Democrats are also speaking simplistically — though they haven’t dumbed down their speeches as much as Trump has. The Globe reports that Hillary Clinton speaks at an eighth-grade level, as do Martin O’Malley and Lincoln Chafee. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, is one of the candidates speaking at the highest level, with his speeches coming in at a tenth-grade reading level.

    But even 2016’s highest level speakers fall far short of their political predecessors in terms of complexity of speech and rhetorical flourishes. While this election’s highest level of speech is roughly tenth grade, back in 1796, for instance, George Washington was speaking at graduate-degree levels — grade 17.9 to be exact. Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address was at an eleventh-grade level.

    Read the full story over at The Boston Globe. Becca Stanek

    #56638
    — X —
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    Well, in a perfect world, the debates would have been between Bernie, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, and Mike Pence. Gary Johnson just doesn’t do it for me, so I uninvited him.

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    I would add Lassie, myself.

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    Lassie can’t read either, so I guess it’s apropos.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

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