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It is in everyone’s interest to get a contract done. The Rams have Donald for at least 3 more years, this year, the option year, and a franchise year. Donald would like to make more for the next 2 years. Those years are locked in now. Most likely the core point will be guaranteed money over the first few years of the contract. I would expect that to be ~40 million for the first 3 years.
AgamemnonIt is in everyone’s interest to get a contract done.
Reading around the net, it appears that some are seeing this as a Donald hold-out. From what the reporters are saying, it sounds more like it’s a case of the contract being close and Donald, with the complete understanding of the front office, not wanting to risk injury by practicing. I really think that’s all this is. Any controversy around it I see as just being a foggy drizzle in Barbie doll teacup.
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AgamemnonLast year we did several posts on the Salary Cap, positional spending (franchise tag as % of the Cap), different Salary Cap Models. Some significant details are: the franchise number for DT’s is ~8.0% of the Cap. the highest paid defensive players are DEs @ 10.0% of the Cap, a QB gets ~13.0% of the cap.
The average Salary Cap over the next 6 or 7 years will approach $200M. So, for an average number, we are right at $20M/yr. But, Donald is under contract for $3M this year and $7M next year. The franchise number for 2019 will be about $19M.Donald would like to be paid what he is worth. Let’s say $20M/yr. But, he is under contract to get only $5M/yr for the next 2 years. That would leave him ~$30M dollars short of his value. He can’t make up that money by holding out, at least no the money he will lose this year. In theory Donald can get more money up front and the Rams can get a slightly lower number overall.
Talking about how this affects other players is in fact talking about how your want to structure your Salary Cap. That being how much and how many of your top players you want to fit under the Cap. Which can be 8, 10, 12, or even 14 players for as much as 60 to 64 percent of your cap.
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/some-thoughts-on-salary-cap-numbers-qb/
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-53-man-roster-projection-includes-five-first-round-picks-on-defensive-line-2/
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/one-kind-of-roster-model/That is why I suggested that the guaranteed money should be about $45M for the first 3 years. If it isn’t close to that, then I think we should try to trade him.
Let’s project a $200M Salary Cap. With $120M used for the 8-14 premium players. Subtract 20M for Donald, 26M for a QB, that leaves 74M for the rest of the premium players. Maybe 7 more players at 10-11M/yr. That is the kind of Cap Model* Seattle runs.
The gross money for Donald’s contract has probably already been figured. They are probably working out how and how much the guaranteed money will be structured. imo
AgamemnonI read that Donald is asking $125M over 6 yrs., with $70M guaranteed.
I am ok with the $125M for 6 years. $70M guaranteed is too high. imo
But, not all guaranteed money is equal. What an agent brags about is not always what is an absolute guarantee.
What an agent asks for is not what he will settle for. imo
I see no problems at this time. AgamemnonI read that Donald is asking $125M over 6 yrs., with $70M guaranteed.
There’s a fear that they might have to cut someone in 2017 cause of this deal. I don’t see it. They could convert his 2017 money into a signing bonus and then park a huge guaranteed roster bonus in 2018. That is, as long as they have 2018 cap space (which of course they do) then they can leave 2017 relatively alone.
As I see it, the deal is “How do you want to model your Salary Cap?”. I prefer the “Keep your very best players if you get value.”. Value is subjective. They can certainly manipulate the salary, as you suggest. That is why I think the guaranteed money will be spread over 3 years. I think they prefer yearly roster bonuses to a signing bonus, although they might use both methods. And just guaranteeing the base salary for a number of years.
They still need to find 6 or 7 million for operating expenses for 2017. I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson. I think his contract sux.
But, they can work the Salary Cap and fit it all in or just make a judgement on how they want to structure their Cap Model going forward. I don’t see it as a big deal.Ogletree is on the books for 8.4 million this year. They could extend him and work his figure to help the Cap for this year. Cut Harkey for minor savings. Convert Barron’s base salary of 5 million. They might be able to convert some salary to incentives? I am not sure that works, but maybe they can? I think they could do more, but I would not recommend it.
Agamemnoneven if by some chance they had to cut a player, i’d do it.
i don’t understand this salary cap stuff so i trust you guys when you say it isn’t necessary, but even if it was, i mean how many times do you come across a player of donald’s caliber at a position like his? he is the best of the best at a difficult position. maybe the third hardest position to fill outside of quarterback and defensive end?
you don’t let a player like that go.
I read that Donald is asking $125M over 6 yrs., with $70M guaranteed.
There’s a fear that they might have to cut someone in 2017 cause of this deal. I don’t see it. They could convert his 2017 money into a signing bonus and then park a huge guaranteed roster bonus in 2018. That is, as long as they have 2018 cap space (which of course they do) then they can leave 2017 relatively alone.
As I see it, the deal is “How do you want to model your Salary Cap?”. I prefer the “Keep your very best players if you get value.”. Value is subjective. They can certainly manipulate the salary, as you suggest. That is why I think the guaranteed money will be spread over 3 years. I think they prefer yearly roster bonuses to a signing bonus, although they might use both methods. And just guaranteeing the base salary for a number of years.
They still need to find 6 or 7 million for operating expenses for 2017. I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson. I think his contract sux.
But, they can work the Salary Cap and fit it all in or just make a judgement on how they want to structure their Cap Model going forward. I don’t see it as a big deal.Ogletree is on the books for 8.4 million this year. They could extend him and work his figure to help the Cap for this year. Cut Harkey for minor savings. Convert Barron’s base salary of 5 million. They might be able to convert some salary to incentives? I am not sure that works, but maybe they can? I think they could do more, but I would not recommend it.&
I think they’ll give him a sizable signing bonus paid up front but prorated through the contract.
His cap hit is already only around 3 mil this year..he could end up taking home 20 mil this year but only cost around 6 mil…that would only be 3 mil of cap space they have to come up WITH.
I really don’t see it being a problem fitting it in….I think they may be having more of a hard time figuring out the guaranteed money at this point.
The Rams have been pretty stead fast with front loading all their contracts so they have an out around 3-4 years…I don’t see that trend ending now.
This is an extension, not a new contract. In fact, it is an unusual 2 year extension. That means the typical front loading won’t/can’t occur. Although they will still try to give themselves the earliest out possible. That is why you are seeing more and more roster bonuses as opposed to signing bonuses. imo
Also, signing bonuses are typically paid out in full at the front end of the contract. Teams would rather not do that. They prefer to spread it out. Andy benoit has some good stuff in various podcasts about how contracts are seen and negotiated. Agamemnon
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