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May 31, 2018 at 5:59 pm #86848znModerator
Aaron Donald is key to the Rams’ grand plans — so pay the man
Aaron Donald should reset the market for interior pass rushers. In fact, there’s a strong case to be made that he should become the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL.
I know what you’re thinking … you don’t need fancy degrees to tell people Donald is elite, especially if you’ve been paying attention to what the Rams have been saying about the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, but there’s more to his value than the widely shared view that he’s one of the best defenders in the NFL.
Right now, the Eagles’ Fletcher Cox has the highest average annual salary ($17.1 million) among interior pass rushers, while the Broncos’ Von Miller leads the way ($19.1 million) not just for edge rushers but all defensive players. It’s logical to expect a player with Donald’s level of production since entering the league to reset the market at their position, and it’s easy to understand why he’s seeking an extension as opposed to playing out the last year of his rookie deal (approximately $6.9 million).
What isn’t as obvious is that on-the-field value of elite interior pass-rush production has significantly increased, league-wide, over the past three years. And Donald’s league-leading inside pass-rushing results show how his individual importance to this rebuilt Rams defense is the key to optimizing both their pass rush and cornerback results.
I have been working on a model that attempts to quantify the relationship between pass rushers and corners, and to answer the question, Which of those two groups is more important? Spoiler alert: For each individual team, the actual answer to this question depends on philosophy, roster and scheme, with opponents faced and offensive effectiveness also determining opportunities for the defense. From a team point of view, it always comes back to, “What does he do for us?” That said, understanding current defensive strategies and their relationship with team wins sheds light on where value stands.
I used 10 seasons of game data and characterized what happened on each snap (from offensive and defensive formations to play outcomes). With my goal of contextualizing the play of pass rushers and corners in mind, I asked 27 coaches, front-office executives, scouts and players to help me interpret the relevant traditional stats, advanced stats and observable video data (game film). I used what I learned from them to help minimize error and maximize “actual football reasons” in my model. Then I took the benchmarks, insights and results back to these same 27 people to verify and refine my findings.
Two key parts of this huge model add specific context to the Rams’ 2018 defense: factoring in an opponent’s ability to run the football and accounting for the impact of interior versus perimeter defensive pressure in relationship to cornerback play.
Let’s start by going deeper on the increased value of interior pass-rush production overall, then lay out just how disruptive Donald has been.
1) There is a premium on interior pressure — and Donald is a monster
My 10-year model shows that over the past three seasons, offensive trends — like an increase in designed shorter passes (with intentional shorter times to throw) — have been accompanied by an increase in unsuccessful plays caused by inside defensive pressures. By evaluating pass plays that have resulted in first downs and touchdowns, my model shows that disruption in the middle of the offensive line is increasingly associated with fewer offensive conversions and points scored.In order to interpret the impact of any one player or part of the defense, it is important for me to account for their relationship with the rest of the defense while keeping it all in the context of the game (score, down, distance, time, matchups, etc.). When discussing quantified findings on the disruption caused by interior versus perimeter pressure, my coach inputs were most interested in the uptick in chances for interior pressures to be disruptive based on offensive play-calling, and the elevated relationship between interior pressure and unsuccessful offensive drives (those resulting in punts or turnovers).
Categorizing downs by situation reveals that there has been about a 23 percent increase in the league average over the past three seasons of teams throwing short passes at times where, in the past, they called longer passes or rushed (first and second downs and third-down plays with less than 5 yards to go). This replacement has afforded interior rushers a greater volume of plays with which to be opportunistic. Some of the people I asked for input said this is because teams are leveraging intentionally shorter passes to nullify dominant edge rushers, and others added that it’s due to the increased influence of college-style spread offenses being implemented in the NFL. Shorter passes are considered higher-probability passes. The big takeaway here is that, in a time when defenses are facing more short passing attempts, interior pressure is associated with a 27 percent decrease in offensive conversions.
Let me say this again in a different way, because it’s tricky. Think of a drive as a unit that reflects all of the parts that make up each down. There has been an increase in shorter passes attempted, and when defenses cause interior pressure on opposing quarterbacks — especially on these short passes — the whole drive gets stopped 27 percent more often than it did in the previous seven years. Stopping drives more often means less scoring, and so there is an increased emphasis on interior pass-rushing production.
For Donald specifically, over the past three seasons, he has the most overall pressures (by at least 20 per year) and the most disruptions resulting in non-conversions of any interior pass rusher in each year. It’s easy to look to his traditional stats — he has averaged almost 10 sacks per campaign since being drafted in 2014, while pacing the league in tackles for loss and forced fumbles in that span — or simply watch any game he’s played to see his impact, but part of what makes him worth setting market records for lies in the lengths opposing offenses have to go to when trying to stop him. One example: On passing downs last season, Donald made contact with at least two opposing offensive players on the greatest percentage of snaps (83.5 percent) of any interior defender in the league.
Donald’s performance has also helped offset a definitive lack of consistent perimeter pressure from the team as a whole. For example, the Rams’ former best edge player, the now-departed Robert Quinn, played nine or fewer games in 2015 and 2016 and only accounted for 37 pressures (ranking No. 20 in my model) in 15 games in 2017. The Rams also didn’t seem to focus on the edge much this offseason, as their presumed starters are Matt Longacre (undrafted, signed in 2015), Samson Ebukam (a fourth-round selection in 2017) and Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (a fifth-round pick in 2018).
2) With Suh in town, Donald will once again become a run-stopping wall
Adding Ndamukong Suh on a one-year, $14 million contract supercharges the Rams’ interior pass-rushing potential, as Suh hasn’t ranked outside the top seven among defensive tackles in total pass-rushing pressures in the past six seasons. However, it’s Suh’s impact on rushing downs that could make the biggest difference to this team — and help make Donald even more effective, valuable and worth signing than he already was heading into 2018.Every play-calling coach I spoke to mentioned using the run game as a tactic to unsettle pass rushers. One recurring theme was either targeting run plays directly at exceptional pass rushers who were less dominant against the run or double-teaming guys who were also great against the run. While these are just two simplified examples of coaching strategies, they helped me realize that even though this is a model about pass defense, I needed to factor in rushing results in a more specific way than down, distance and score in order to tell a more complete story about what happened on passing downs.
Last season, the Rams were second-worst in both rushing yards per game allowed on first down and on first and second downs combined. And the data suggests offenses were able to diminish Donald’s impact against the run.
Los Angeles yielded the most yards per carry in the NFL (5.25) when opposing rushers ran behind their center. Donald, a 3-technique (aligned just outside the guard), made contact with at least two opposing offensive players on 79.8 percent of rushing downs (the most of any Ram and the third-most in the NFL at his position). While not all of this contact reflects being double-teamed, those same downs show an increase in single contact for other defensive players (more one-on-one situations) and were associated with higher per-rush averages. Over the 10-year sample data, the most predictive metric in terms of allowing overall conversions — this means rushing and passing taken together — was low contextualized run-stopping efficiency. Drives with a pattern like the one the Rams defense displayed — where opposing offenses create and win rushing one-on-ones — were associated with the highest percentage of conversions.
The Rams were able to overcome this deficiency with a high-scoring offense in 2017, but that is not a sustainable long-term solution, according to the data. Think of it like this: The better at scoring a team’s offense is, the more an opposing team’s offense will have to throw to keep pace or overcome a point deficit — even if they are rushing efficiently. Adding Suh figures to seriously change the potential to run on the Rams, both via his direct contribution, and also by reducing the double-teams Donald faces.
In his first three seasons, Donald played in a different defensive scheme than he does now; however, he never ranked outside of the top five at his position in terms of run stops until last season. With the Dolphins, Suh played mostly in the same spot that Donald plays, but he projects to be used in different techniques with the Rams. This also means Los Angeles can use Michael Brockers more strategically. Thus, the projection for Donald is shifted to include a higher percentage of run stops, while the overall defensive potential to stop the run, especially up the middle, will be maximized.
In other words, with Suh on board, Donald will become that much more important to the Rams’ defense — which means it’s crucial to lock him up now.
3) Donald will maximize the new pieces in the secondary — and vice-versa
In addition to Suh, the Rams added cornerbacks Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters this offseason. Talib allowed the third-fewest total yards in coverage last season (304) after logging the second-lowest passer rating allowed in 2016 (55.5). In three seasons, the volatile Peters has the most interceptions in the league (including playoffs) with 21, but has also surrendered 14 touchdowns.One insight from my model shows that when corners are within 1 yard of their receiver OR are within 2 yards of their receiver AND their hips are in a direction that aligns with the angle their receiver is traveling (and they are closing in on their man), there are associated increases in time that opposing quarterbacks take to throw and volume of attempts at or behind the line of scrimmage. There is also a related decrease in completion percentage and passer rating. Quarterbacks are pressured more often when a corner meets this criteria — and everything gets amplified when two corners achieve this at the same time.
Revisiting the man-coverage snaps Talib played in Wade Phillips’ 2016 Denver defense, one can forecast that the Rams will realize more of the upside connected with Peters and minimize the downside. And with more precision being asked of opposing quarterbacks, Donald will have a greater chance to wreak havoc.
The bottom line: wins and losses
Teams with two above-average (or better) pass rushers AND two above-average (or better) corners have significantly higher win percentages, and they can succeed even with less dominant offenses. If you were to create “the average” offense, having all four of these defensive chess pieces would be worth between two and four wins, depending on schedule. There is a much bigger conversation here around how pass rushers and corners influence each other (and we’ll get to more of this in future pieces), but the data nets out such that having both produce at above-average and/or elite levels reinforces the efficiency of each part. Factoring in Donald, Suh, Talib and Peters projects to give Wade Phillips the weapons he needs to create a decided scheme advantage, even with unproven perimeter rushers.
But it doesn’t work without Donald.
I applied current rosters to the model and forecasted the entire 2018 season based on the trends from the historical findings. Then I looked at what happens with rushing, first downs allowed through the air, total yards surrendered and points allowed for the Rams with and without Donald. (I used the historical average as my “replacement player.”) Then I did the same for Fletcher Cox and Von Miller. While all three had a big impact on their teams, Donald being replaced with an “average player” changed the Rams’ season win total projection between 1.6 and 2.1 games, a range that is about 10 percent more than both of the other two top rushers.
Then I went back and did the same thing for Suh, Peters and Talib. In this case, the range grew to between 16-30 percent more for Donald.
The Rams seemingly went all in this season. On defense, the moves to bring in Talib, Peters and Suh seem to suggest they have set their expectations sky-high. However, Donald is the straw that stirs the drink in this strategy, and his production in context of the market shows why $20 million (or more) per year isn’t overpaying.
- This topic was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by zn.
May 31, 2018 at 6:26 pm #86849znModeratorThat’s a dense but very interesting article.
May 31, 2018 at 8:41 pm #86851znModeratorDonald made contact with at least two opposing offensive players on the greatest percentage of snaps (83.5 percent) of any interior defender in the league.
As we knew, he draws attention (making it easier for everyone else) and makes plays anyway.
And then there’s this:
Teams with two above-average (or better) pass rushers AND two above-average (or better) corners have significantly higher win percentages, and they can succeed even with less dominant offenses. If you were to create “the average” offense, having all four of these defensive chess pieces would be worth between two and four wins, depending on schedule.
June 1, 2018 at 11:00 am #86888znModeratorreferring to the first article in this thread:
Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
A very detailed, well reasoned, well organized explanation by @cfrelund as to why @AaronDonald97 needs to get paid. NOW! Read it for yourself…June 1, 2018 at 5:18 pm #86900ZooeyModeratorAlright, well, I was on the fence about Donald, but now I’m leaning towards signing him. What do I need to do?
June 2, 2018 at 11:56 am #86933JackPMillerParticipantJackPMiller’s view on Aaron Donald. Sign him. GET HIM SIGNED NOW!!!!. YES I’M SCREAMING, SHOUTING. I’M PISSED OFF!!! HE IS THE BEST F’N DEFESIVE PLAYER IN THE NFL AND HE SHOULD BE PAID AS THE BEST. GOSH DARN IT
June 2, 2018 at 1:19 pm #86934nittany ramModeratorAs I’ve heard mentioned elsewhere, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rams and Donald already have a handshake agreement. The Rams just need to free up cap space…maybe by cutting Barron.
They had to wait until June 1st to cut him but now they can save $7 million in cap space, if they choose to go that route.- This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by nittany ram.
June 2, 2018 at 2:26 pm #86938ZooeyModeratorAs I’ve heard mentioned elsewhere, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rams and Donald already have a handshake agreement. The Rams just need to free up cap space…maybe by cutting Barron.
They had to wait until June 1st to cut him but now they can save $7 million in cap space, if they choose to go that route.I hope you’re right, but I don’t know about that.
I read an article months ago that posited that Mack and Donald were kind of waiting for the other guy to sign first, so that they can negotiate a bit more to win the title of highest paid defensive player. With agents and ego involved, that seems all too possible, and that concerns me.
I understand there is a hard deadline for Donald to report under his current contract or else he doesn’t earn a full year towards his FA status, and I’m afraid we will come down to that date, whatever it is, and be without Donald at the beginning of the season again.
June 2, 2018 at 5:22 pm #86948znModeratorAs I’ve heard mentioned elsewhere, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rams and Donald already have a handshake agreement. The Rams just need to free up cap space…maybe by cutting Barron.
They had to wait until June 1st to cut him but now they can save $7 million in cap space, if they choose to go that route.Rams don’t really need cap space to sign Donald. They already have it. They just have to convert part of his 6.9 M current cap hit into a pro-rated signing bonus. Or that’s one thing they could do anyway.
June 5, 2018 at 11:01 pm #87087znModeratorBonsignore: Rams know it will take record-setting money to secure Aaron Donald, but they hold all the cards
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
There are approximately 80,000 reasons why Aaron Donald will report next week to the Rams’ mandatory minicamp in Thousand Oaks – that figure representing the amount of money the best defensive player in the NFL will lose to fines should he skip the three-day camp.
But there are more than 70 million reasons why his reunion with the Rams might be a short one, and why we might not see Donald in uniform for a while. Maybe not even until the season opener against the Oakland Raiders on Sept. 10. Although there are major financial and free agency implications – not to mention risk – should Donald hold out for all of training camp only to report for the season opener without an extension.
But more on that in a bit.
The 70 million – probably more – represents the guaranteed money he’d endanger should he step foot on a practice field without a new contract and, heaven forbid, suffer a serious injury. That explains why he was a no-show during OTA’s and why he’ll likely be a limited participant at minicamp.
Donald is scheduled to make $6.9 million next season, all of which he’d collect in the event of a serious injury. But he stands to earn millions upon millions more in guarantees upon agreeing to an extension, which undoubtedly will make him the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. That’s a fact the Rams don’t just acknowledge, they will gladly it make happen in order to keep the dominant defensive linemen in their fold for the foreseeable future.
Knowing that – and the Rams have been consistent in their acknowledgment of the financial commitment they’re willing to make – it behooves Donald to be as careful as possible between now and putting pen to paper to make it all official.
The real question, of course, is why a new deal hasn’t already happened in spite of the Rams’ repeated vow to do right by Donald, and what appears to be a sincere willingness on both sides to arrive at an outcome that leaves everyone smiling at the celebratory news conference to announce it.
At the risk of being a bit simplistic: it’s complicated.
And much more nuanced than, as new Rams cornerback Marcus Peters (and a whole bunch of Rams fans) would say: “Pay the man!”
To the Rams and Donald’s camp’s credit, they’ve both kept a tight lid on negotiations. This hasn’t been a “he said they said” situation at all. That’s usually a good sign that a happy ending is looming.
But it also leaves everyone else to do some detective work.
In doing some peripheral digging around, there are compelling reasons emerging to explain a lack of resolution.
But also why most, if not all, the leverage tilts decidedly in the direction of the Rams, as they hold his rights for at least the next three years and assume even greater leverage and control should Donald hold out beyond Aug. 8 and into the regular season.
One factor that could be delaying things is the Khalil Mack dynamic playing out in Oakland. Mack and Donald were both selected in the 2014 NFL draft, and both have developed into dominant defensive forces as they each enter the final year of their rookie contracts.
Donald, by all accounts, is the better player. In a fair world, he’ll end up with the bigger contract. And no one would blame him if, as some in the NFL suspect, he slow plays a resolution waiting on Mack to come to terms first, thus re-setting the market and allowing Donald to go back to the Rams and demand more.
The problem is, Mack is in a much better position to wait out Donald’s situation and use that deal as the basis for his new contract. Mack was drafted with the fifth pick to Donald’s 13th in 2014, and the financial difference could not be more vast as a result. Mack will make $13.9 million to Donald’s $6.9 this season. So, as you can see, Mack is in a safer position to let this year play out and then use the free agency leverage of 31 other teams – and a potential new Donald deal – when negotiating with the Raiders.
It’s for those reasons – and others – that some in the NFL have speculated a new Mack deal might not happen before next year. If so, Donald could be in for a long wait – and assume incredible risk – if he puts too much credence on the Mack situation as it relates to his own.
But that isn’t the only factor holding up a resolution.
While it’s a given Donald will reset the market for defensive players, there hasn’t been a top-end deal done on that side of the ball since Von Miller’s 2016 contract with the Broncos. That means dynamics like total value of the contract and immediate and full guarantees – the guide posts and trail markers teams and agents typically follow to bridge one record-breaking deal to the next – are a bit outdated. Setting and agreeing to new ones adds to the difficulty.
What we do know is that Donald is almost certain to become the first non-quarterback to eclipse $20 million in annual pay. That would mean topping Miller’s $19,016,667 annual base salary and his $70 million in guarantees.
Would $21 million in yearly salary and $75 million in overall guarantees do it?
The conflict becomes: By how much is Donald seeking to set the new market, and is that a number the Rams are willing to pay? Keep in mind Brandin Cooks is on deck for a new contract and Todd Gurley, Marcus Peters and Jared Goff are waiting in the wings.
Keeping Donald in the fold while preserving room for all the others is of paramount importance.
But Donald plays a role in making that happen.
There’s been recent speculation within the NFL circles that Donald’s camp is looking beyond just a record-setting defensive contract while trying to lift him into the rarified air of top quarterback money.
That would mean somewhere between $23 million and $27 million in annual salary and upward to $80 million to $90 million in guarantees.
That would be unprecedented.
It would also explain a major delay in a deal being consummated.
Or, as one rival NFL executive suggested: “If this was just about being the highest-paid defensive player, it would have been done already.”
That said, it never hurts to ask, right? And if you’re Aaron Donald, there is still time to play with in order to get the kind of money – or close to it – you’re demanding without sacrificing anything of importance.
Although those days are rapidly coming to a close.
Whatever leverage he has comes to an end on Aug. 8, the deadline to preserve unrestricted free agent status at the end of the 2018 season or be downgraded to restricted. It’s a position Donald put himself in by holding out during training camp last year and losing an accrued season as a result. If he holds out again, he’d lose all rights to UFA at the end of the season.
And that means:
The Rams would preserve the right to use the franchise tag on him for 2019.
They’d also have the right of first refusal on any deal he agrees to with another team.
Or, in the event of not matching any offer, recoup a first-round pick.
And in a worst-case scenario for Donald, it would also mean potentially playing the 2019 season at roughly $7.4 million should he fail to secure a new deal with the Rams or another team and the Rams simply re-upped him at 110 percent of his 2018 salary.
It only gets worse if he holds out of games before the drop-dead deadline to preserve at least RFA status – the 10th game of the season – as that means absorbing fines and losing weekly paychecks. He’d have to be extraordinarily confident he could convince the Rams to eventually meet his demands to go that route. But really, how realistic is that?So, as you can see, the little leverage Donald has right now is evaporating pretty quickly.
It makes you wonder at what point he realizes he’s running out of cards to play. And how quickly $20 million and change in annual salary and $70 million or so in guarantees begin to look good enough.
June 6, 2018 at 1:29 am #87092Eternal RamnationParticipantWhatever leverage he has comes to an end on Aug. 8, the deadline to preserve unrestricted free agent status at the end of the 2018 season or be downgraded to restricted. It’s a position Donald put himself in by holding out during training camp last year and losing an accrued season as a result. If he holds out again, he’d lose all rights to UFA at the end of the season.
And that means:
The Rams would preserve the right to use the franchise tag on him for 2019.
They’d also have the right of first refusal on any deal he agrees to with another team.
Or, in the event of not matching any offer, recoup a first-round pick.
And in a worst-case scenario for Donald, it would also mean potentially playing the 2019 season at roughly $7.4 million should he fail to secure a new deal with the Rams or another team and the Rams simply re-upped him at 110 percent of his 2018 salary.
It only gets worse if he holds out of games before the drop-dead deadline to preserve at least RFA status – the 10th game of the season – as that means absorbing fines and losing weekly paychecks. He’d have to be extraordinarily confident he could convince the Rams to eventually meet his demands to go that route. But really, how realistic is that?So, as you can see, the little leverage Donald has right now is evaporating pretty quickly.
It makes you wonder at what point he realizes he’s running out of cards to play. And how quickly $20 million and change in annual salary and $70 million or so in guarantees begin to look good enough.
Ouch!!!!
June 6, 2018 at 3:15 am #87093znModeratorOuch!!!!
I don;t know how true that stuff is. VB wants to paint it as if just 20 M isn’t a lowball, but it is. The last contract for top defender in the game was 19 M to Von Miller in 2016. 2nd contracts for key starters go up annually. You know how much a qb got on a 2nd contract in 2015? In 2015 Newton got 20.76 M a year. In 2015, Tannehill signed for 16 M a year. This year Cousins signed for 28 M. Last year Carr signed for 25 M. So for Donald, it’s not just supposed to be 1 M more than 19 M in 2016, 3 years ago. IF VB is right about it being 20 M for Donald, then, that looks to me like a lowball. I figure anything from 22-24 M makes more sense in terms of how annual increases in contracts look.
June 6, 2018 at 11:21 pm #87130znModeratorAaron Donald is key to the Rams’ grand plans — so pay the man
First article, this thread.
This is one of the best things if not THE best thing ever written on Donald. Forget the “pay him” part of it–just look what it says about how he impacts games. And it’s even more than we realize by watching.
If you haven’t read it give it a shot, though it’s longish.
June 9, 2018 at 8:38 am #87213znModeratorJune 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm #87244znModeratorJune 11, 2018 at 5:18 pm #87279znModerator==
A deal for DT @AaronDonald97 and the @RamsNFL won’t be done by the time mini-camp starts. So, is that a big deal? @nflnetwork pic.twitter.com/fIsqJgV7jU
— Steve Wyche (@wyche89) June 11, 2018
June 13, 2018 at 12:46 am #87324znModeratorWell @AaronDonald97 might not be at mini-camp but he's a Pitt making sure he's good to go when that extension gets finalized. https://t.co/6GW7nfKVTF
— Steve Wyche (@wyche89) June 12, 2018
June 15, 2018 at 4:40 pm #87385znModeratorWhich NFL player deserves a new contract first?
— Spotrac (@spotrac) June 12, 2018
June 18, 2018 at 10:08 am #87428znModeratorAaron Donald wants to reset the market for non-QBs
Lindsey Thiry
http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/130063/aaron-donald-wants-to-reset-the-market-for-non-qbs
The Los Angeles Rams and reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald, who is scheduled to earn $6.9 million in the final year of his rookie deal, remain in a contract dispute that dates to 2017.
Here are answers to a few key questions as negotiations continue ahead of training camp.
Why don’t the Rams just “pay the man,” as Marcus Peters said?
It’s all about the salary cap. The Rams must maintain space under the cap for large contracts that loom in the not-so-distant future, including fourth-year pros Todd Gurley and Peters and third-year pro Jared Goff. The Rams made several moves that cleared cap space this offseason — they’ll have room for $41.5 million in 2019 and more than $120 million in 2020 — but they must maintain space to sign other stars.
How much money does Donald want?
Donald, 27, wants to reset the market for non-quarterback players. Currently, the highest paid non-quarterback is Von Miller, who is scheduled to make more than $19 million this season. Neither Donald nor the Rams have publicly discussed financial terms, but it is thought that Donald is seeking a deal that will pay him more than $20 million per season.
Didn’t Donald hold out last year seeking a new deal?
Yes. Going into his fourth season, Donald skipped most of the offseason program but reported to mandatory minicamp to avoid about $80,000 in fines — however, he did not participate in drills.
Donald then skipped training camp and reported to the practice facility a day before the opener — without a new deal in place.
The Rams activated Donald in Week 2. He finished the season with 11 sacks in 14 starts and was named the NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
Will his holdout last that long this season?
It could, but that seems unlikely. Because Donald held out of training camp last year, he lost an accrued season toward unrestricted free agency, which requires four seasons. Therefore, if Donald does not report by Aug. 7 — 30 days before the season opens — he will lose another accrued season and will remain a restricted free agent.
How long do the Rams have Donald’s rights?
If Donald reports to training camp by Aug. 7, he will become an unrestricted free agent after this season. However, whether he’s an unrestricted or restricted free agent, the Rams have the option to franchise tag him for two years at below his market value and then another year at just over his current market value. The Rams basically hold the rights to Donald through the 2021 season.
Does Oakland Raiders defensive lineman Khalil Mack affect Donald?
Mack, the 2016 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, did not report to Raiders minicamp as he seeks a new deal entering the fifth season of his rookie contract. It has been speculated that Donald and Mack are paying close attention to each other’s situations. The first to sign a deal will reset the market. The second to sign will likely up the ante to become the highest-paid defensive player in the league. But unlike Donald, Mack can hold out of training camp and become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
Are the Rams concerned Donald’s absence will affect the team’s performance?
No. On the final day of minicamp, defensive coordinator Wade Phillips deadpanned: “He didn’t come until later last year and did OK. I guess he fit in, in a 3-4, everybody was worried about that.” The Rams know Donald is working out at his home in Pittsburgh and will be ready to contribute if he reports.
June 21, 2018 at 2:25 am #87512znModeratorDonald vs 495 pounds
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June 22, 2018 at 5:20 pm #87563znModeratorMack, Donald holdouts would present slightly different circumstances
Mack, Donald holdouts would present slightly different circumstances
On the surface, they’re relatively indistinguishable. One was the defensive player of the year in 2016, the other won the award in 2017.
Both arrived via round one of the 2014 draft. Both are entering the fifth year of their rookie contracts.
Neither has gotten the long-term deal he deserves.
But there’s a difference between Raiders defensive end Khalil Mack and Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald, when it comes to a potential training-camp holdout.
Last year, Mack showed up. Donald didn’t. And Donald’s holdout kept him from getting a fourth year of credit toward free agency. Which means that, if he does it again (specifically, if he holds out and doesn’t show up at least 30 days before the start of the regular season), he’ll still be stuck on three accrued seasons — and he wouldn’t be eligible for unrestricted free agency next year.
That means he wouldn’t necessarily receive the franchise tag in 2019. While the Rams could still use it if they want, the Rams could instead tender him at the highest restricted free agency level, which would give the Rams the right to match an offer sheet from another team and first-round compensation if they don’t.
Donald may welcome that, since someone would surely make a run at him if the compensation is only a first-round pick. And if in the end the Rams realize that the safest course would be application of the exclusive franchise tag despite Donald having only three accrued years (even with the non-exclusive franchise tag, another team may happily surrender two first-round picks), Donald would be in the same place he would have been even if he shows up.
The only downside for Donald comes from a possible injury that would impair his market value and potentially prompt the Rams to roll the dice with the RFA tender, securing his rights for 2019 by putting millions less on the table. That dynamic would/could (should) make Donald more likely to carry a holdout deep into the regular season, in order to ensure that, come 2019, he’ll be getting the exclusive franchise tender.
By rule, he can show up as late as the Tuesday after Week 10 and get credit for the contract year. While few players ever do that, the sheer volume of disgruntled players in 2018 raises the odds that one of them will.
June 22, 2018 at 7:19 pm #87565wvParticipantIts interesting that neither side is leaking anything. I mean we dont know anything about what the issues are.
Do we?
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vJune 23, 2018 at 1:12 am #87581znModeratorIts interesting that neither side is leaking anything. I mean we dont know anything about what the issues are.
Do we?
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vDo we? No. It’s all very hush hush.
I notice some people assume Donald is asking for too much, and some people assume the Rams are offering too little. Right now though it’s all just assumptions either way.
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June 23, 2018 at 9:31 am #87590wvParticipantI notice some people assume Donald is asking for too much, and some people assume the Rams are offering too little. Right now though it’s all just assumptions either way.
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Homo Assumians, is what scientists should have named us.
All i know is, if i dont get to see Suh and Donald lined up next to each other for sixteen games, i want my money back.
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vJune 26, 2018 at 7:08 pm #87671znModeratorRams COO hopes Aaron Donald's deal gets done "sooner than training camp" https://t.co/Lfi6ZlFuMs
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) June 26, 2018
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Rams COO hopes Aaron Donald’s deal gets done “sooner than training camp”
Rams COO hopes Aaron Donald’s deal gets done “sooner than training camp”
Who knows where contract talks between the Rams and Aaron Donald stand. After all, the sides have been talking only for a year and a half. (Insert sarcasm.)
Rams COO and VP Kevin Demoff didn’t give anything away Tuesday during the topping of the team’s new stadium.
“Well, it will be done before the stadium’s done,” Demoff joked, via Steve Wyche of NFL Media. “Nah, we’re going to keep wishing and hoping. I hope it’s done sooner than training camp, but if it goes to training camp, our goal is to make sure it’s done and that he feels rewarded and that it’s a win-win deal for both sides.”
Donald skipped organized team activities and the mandatory minicamp as he seeks a deal that is expected to make him the highest-paid defensive player in the league. The defensive tackle likely continues his holdout until he sees a raise over the $6.89 million he is scheduled to make this season.
In 2017, Donald held out of the offseason program, training camp and the preseason before reporting to the team a day before the Rams’ season opener. He still won defensive player of the year honors.
“We’re working on it, and we’ll keep pushing forward,” Demoff said. “The dialogue’s been great. It’s been positive. I think [Donald] and coach [Sean] McVay have a terrific relationship. We look forward to getting this done. And putting Aaron in the place where he should be among the highest-paid defensive players.”
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Rams exec: Talks with Aaron Donald have been ‘great’
Marc Sessler
Around the globe, next-level Madden enthusiasts have previewed an on-screen Rams defense for 2018 that stars wild behemoth Ndamukong Suh paired with game-plan destroyer Aaron Donald.
In our world, Donald’s participation has hit a snag.
Nestled in the final year of his rookie deal, the All-Pro defensive tackle bypassed both organized team activities and mandatory minicamp. We all know why: He’s after a meaty raise on the $6.892 million salary scheduled to light up his direct-deposit in 2018.
At a Los Angeles-based event flaunting the team’s new stadium, Rams COO and VP Kevin Demoff weighed in Tuesday on Donald’s status a month out from training camp.
“I think when you build stadiums like this, it’s with players like Aaron Donald in mind,” Demoff told NFL Network’s Steve Wyche. “And we’ve been at this process, working with them for the past year and a half to try to make sure that Aaron is not only here for the opening of the stadium but plays well into his years. And that he can play in the 2022 Super Bowl in his own home stadium.”
Demoff added: “So we’re working on it and we’ll keep pushing forward. The dialogue’s been great. It’s been positive. I think [Donald] and coach [Sean] McVay have a terrific relationship. We look forward to getting this done. And putting Aaron in the place where he should be among the highest-paid defensive players.”
Asked if negotiations would net results before training camp — preventing additional, breathless, inch-by-inch updates on NFL.com — Demoff refused to cave in, echoing Wyche’s reporting this month that “nobody could say for certain” if a deal was imminent.
“Well, it will be done before the stadium’s done,” Demoff joked. “Nah, we’re going to keep wishing and hoping. I hope it’s done sooner than training camp, but if it goes to training camp, our goal is to make sure it’s done and that he feels rewarded and that it’s a win-win deal for both sides.”
It’s clear the Rams value their immensely talented defensive destroyer. The team spent loads of money and picks on newly minted teammates who make this Rams unit a Super Bowl-worthy entry.
It all comes back to Donald, though, a talent who surpasses today’s version of Suh or anyone else on the roster. The Rams understand that — and hope to end this elongated dog-and-pony show before camp.
Easier said than done.
June 28, 2018 at 1:37 am #87701znModeratorRams DT Aaron Donald earns exclusive 99-overall rating in Madden 19
The Los Angeles Ram wrecking ball continues to add trophies to his closet.
Aaron Donald, the reigning AP Defensive Player of the Year, has earned a perfect 99 overall rating in Madden 19, the EA Sports team announced Wednesday. Donald is one of seven players to be added to the “Madden 99” club this year, along with New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski, Denver Broncos linebacker Von Miller, Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, Carolina Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly and Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown.
After tallying 11 sacks and five forced fumbles in 2017, the explosive defensive tackle was rewarded with a a 97 strength stat and 98 power move rating in this year’s game. This is the second-straight year Donald has been rated a 99-overall at the game’s launch. Featuring week-to-week evaluations, Donald dropped as low as a 97 rating in Madden 18 after his week 3 performance against the Dallas Cowboys where he recorded just two tackles. Donald finished the season back at his original 99 rating.
For their inclusion in the “Madden 99” club, Donald and the other six will receive a trophy from EA. All other player rankings will be revealed July 9, a month before the game becomes available on August 10.
Donald did not attend any of the Rams voluntary or mandatory minicamp sessions this offseason as he hopes to sign an extension before entering the final year of his Rookie contract in 2018. LA’s training camp begins July 26.
June 29, 2018 at 8:04 pm #87723znModeratorThe argument goes that players should be like Tom Brady, and ask for less.
Saying that just ignores the history.
Traditionally players look to cash in with their 2nd contract. That’s the big pay out they can expect in their careers. 2nd contract amounts routinely go up every year along with the cap going up.
Brady signed his 2nd contract in 2005. It was one of the highest contracts in the league at the time. It averaged 13 M a year, which was very high in 2005. His 3rd contract in 2010 was if anything higher. That was a 4 year, 72 M dollar deal that averaged 18 M a year. At the time that WAS the highest contract in the league. In fact it would take until 2015 for other qbs to get more than 18 M a year on 2nd contracts.
So by the time Brady signed his “generous” contract in 2016 that gave him only around 20 M a year, he had cashed in already.
It’s the same with Suh. Suh was drafted before the new CBA and got a rookie deal worth 68 M across 5 years. That’s 13.6 M a year. He cashed in on his 2015 2nd contract, which was 6 years for 114 M and worth 19 M a year. He only got 3 years of that though so it amounts to around 57 M. He then turned 31 and signed with the Rams for less than he probably could have gotten elsewhere (15 M).
People who keep hoping players like Donald will not do the traditional cash in on his 2nd contract keep comparing him to Suh and Brady. Except to this point, because of the new CBA and how it structures rookie deal, AD has earned less than 11 M. Suh by this point has probably earned around 125 M already. Brady is listed as the player who has earned the most in league history. That too was because he cashed in on his 2nd contract (and 3rd).
So you can’t ask Donald to not cash in on his second contract by citing the examples of Brady and Suh, both of whom absolutely DID cash in on their 2nd contracts. The generous, team-friendly deal thing is done by very-well paid players in their 30s who have ALREADY cashed in. You can’t use their later contracts as examples as to why someone like Donald CAN’T cash in on his 2nd contract.
Players only get one chance at a top-end 2nd contract. I don’t see the point of bashing Donald with the examples of Brady and Suh when both of them DID cash in on their 2nd contracts (and in Brady’s case, 3rd too). Donald (and others, like Cooks) deserve the chance to cash in too.
July 2, 2018 at 11:09 am #87785znModeratorAaron Donald: The NFL’s Defensive Player of the Year led the league with 91 total pressures even though (A) interior lineman traditionally face constant double-teams and (B) Donald held out all summer in search of an elusive pay increase. Everything the Rams will do on defense will begin up front with Donald, quite possibly the game’s best player — period. But first he’ll have to show up. Donald did not take part in the offseason program and is once again determined to stay away from the Rams until they reward him with a lucrative contract extension.
July 2, 2018 at 11:46 am #87786JackPMillerParticipantDang. I was hoping I would come in here, and heard the Rams and Donald just signed. No, the only news that is out there, is LeBron’s signing with the Lakers. But we need big sports news. Where is Donald signing, that will be a huge national signing that will be global news. The news will be so big, Extraterrestrials will be ecstatic.
July 3, 2018 at 6:11 pm #87815znModeratorDoug Farrar@BR_DougFarrar
The NFL’s version of a needle in a haystack? Find something Aaron Donald doesn’t do well. Not only is he the best defensive player in the game, but I struggle to find one consistent flaw. Astonishing consistency in multiple fronts, from multiple gaps. -
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