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December 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm #35809znModerator
Is Aaron Donald better than J.J. Watt this year?
By Benjamin Hochman
Excuse me for getting sappy, but Aaron Donald isn’t just amazing in every way — he is also Sapp-y.
Finally, a national TV audience this season got to see the Rams’ Donald, who plays football like Hall of Famer Warren Sapp, the modern standard for defensive tackles.
“Actually, when I came in as a rookie, coach (Mike) Waufle had a cut-up on him, and I got to watch a lot of film on him,” Donald said after Thursday’s win against Tampa Bay. “I respect him — he’s one of best to ever play the game, so you have to respect a guy like that.”
We’ve all written about Donald this season since he never ceases to dominate. I wanted to write about him today because this blew me away — Pro Football Focus has staff that watches, re-watches and then rates every player in every game. I e-mailed Mike Alessandrini from the site to get some Donald stats.
“Donald is the No. 1 Player in the NFL right now,” he wrote. “Among interior defenders, he’s No. 1 against the run and No. 1 rushing the passer.”
Wait. Go back. No. 1 player? Like, at any position?
“Any and every position. Offense or defense,” he wrote. “He is going to get pretty close to J.J. Watt’s all time PFF grade record from a couple of seasons ago.”
As for this season, at the bottom of this you can see the PFF statistical comparisons of 2015 Watt to 2015 Donald. But before we get to this, I loved James Laurinaitis’ answer when I asked him if Donald reminded him of the great Sapp:
“I’ll tell you what, if Aaron Donald doesn’t win defensive player of the year this year, I mean, I don’t know what. I don’t know what better case he could make for himself, he plays out of this world.
“I always joke with him that he has natural leverage, because of his height. But you always hear in football — low-man wins. And when you’re that low, and you can bench 400 pounds — you constantly see him putting up 400-plus — and you’ve got the get-off speed? I mean, I’d put him in the top-10 on our team in the first five yards, with how fast he is. You put that all into his pass rush repertoire, it’s unbelievable. And as a mike linebacker, I get to see it all the time. I tell D-tackles, ‘If you backdoor that block, you better make the play!’ And he does, almost every time.”
In the win against the Buccaneers, the omnipresent Donald finished with three total quarterback pressures and three run stops, with five combined tackles. And he got in the head of quarterback Jameis Winston at times, as we saw with our wide eyes.
OK, here are the seasonal breakdowns for Watt and Donald. Yes, because Watt plays mostly defensive end, it’s not apples to apples. Still, these numbers give a gauge (Watt’s Texans play the Colts on Sunday):
Overall PFF Grade:
Watt: +62.1, 860 snaps
Donald: +77.8, 788 snaps
QB Pressures:
Watt: 13 sacks, 30 hits, 26 hurries
Donald: 11 sacks, 20 hits, 32 hurries
Stops (Solo defensive tackles constituting an offensive loss):
Watt: 47
Donald: 47
Tackles/Missed Tackles:
Watt: 37 solo tackles, 6 missed tackles
Donald: 47 solo tackles, 2 missed tackles
Run Stop Percentage (% of a player’s run defense snaps that he made a stop):
Watt: 29 Stops, 9.4% (6th among 3-4 ends)
Donald: 33 Stops, 11.1% (4th among DT’s)
Pass Rush Productivity (# of pressures related to how many times they rush the passer):
Watt: 11.5 PRP
Donald: 12.1 PRP
Lastly, here’s Rams coach Jeff Fisher, after Thursday’s game, upon being asked to describe just why Aaron Donald is so dominant:
“He’s a stud, and he has a great sense for offensive formations and anticipates plays on where he needs to get to. Then he puts himself in position, and we help on occasion, putting him in a one-on-one situation. He’s very, very powerful. His lower body strength and leverage makes him very hard to block. I talked to (Bucs coach) Lovie (Smith) before the game and he goes, ‘Wow. That’s one of the best I’ve ever seen.’ So, pretty impressive.”
December 18, 2015 at 8:27 pm #35810znModerator21Dog
heard Cosell on a SF radio station this morning
He was asked about Watt vs. Donald.
Said he loved Donald, but he was no JJ Watt as far as how he affects the game.
December 18, 2015 at 8:31 pm #35811znModeratorVID LINK
Jaws: No defensive player playing as well as Aaron Donald
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14393355&ex_cid=espnapi_internal
December 18, 2015 at 9:34 pm #35814znModeratorPFF
St. Louis Rams
– After another stellar performance last night, Aaron Donald (+6.6) has surpassed Geno Atkins’ 2012 season, and now owns the highest single season grade for a defensive tackle in the nine years we have been grading games here at PFF.
December 19, 2015 at 2:45 am #35819InvaderRamModeratorin my 21 years of watching the rams i have never seen a defensive lineman consistently make so many outrageous plays as donald does. truly feel blessed to watch him play.
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December 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm #35883DakParticipantIt’s like I’m watching his college highlight reels come to life in the NFL. I think that he’s the best defensive player on any defense that I’ve watched week to week. I’m trying to remember anyone really that close. Think about it: Even great DEs like Carter during his heyday, Little in his best games and Quinn in recent years haven’t been able to dominate game-in, game-out like this guy. DTs just don’t get to the QB this often.
I don’t know about the Donald vs. Watt stuff. Watt is a stud and deserves all the accolades. But, Donald is probably the best DT in football, or at least there’s nobody better.
Too bad Quinn got hurt. This line will be hell on wheels with both of them in there.
December 21, 2015 at 6:46 pm #35889znModeratorToo bad Quinn got hurt. This line will be hell on wheels with both of them in there.
TNF Storylines: Aaron Donald’s Domination
NFL Media’s Solomon Wilcots discusses the force Aaron Donald is creating along the defensive line for the Rams.
December 21, 2015 at 8:29 pm #35893InvaderRamModeratorIt’s like I’m watching his college highlight reels come to life in the NFL. I think that he’s the best defensive player on any defense that I’ve watched week to week. I’m trying to remember anyone really that close. Think about it: Even great DEs like Carter during his heyday, Little in his best games and Quinn in recent years haven’t been able to dominate game-in, game-out like this guy. DTs just don’t get to the QB this often.
I don’t know about the Donald vs. Watt stuff. Watt is a stud and deserves all the accolades. But, Donald is probably the best DT in football, or at least there’s nobody better.
Too bad Quinn got hurt. This line will be hell on wheels with both of them in there.
yeah. better than carter. better than little already. best rams dlineman in the last 20 years. another eight years of this and who knows?
December 23, 2015 at 2:07 pm #35988znModeratorAMS’ AARON DONALD WORTHY OF DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
With a dominant performance on TNF, Donald is in the DPOY conversation with Kuechly, Watt, Mack, and Mathieu.
There is plenty of debate as to who will win the various awards in the NFL this season, including MVP, Comeback Player of the Year, and Defensive Player of the Year, but the latter might be the most difficult of the group.
At least with MVP, we know a quarterback will likely win—the debate there is between different QBs. For defenders, choices are all over the map. If you want a defensive back, you can pick between Josh Norman or Tyrann Mathieu, for linebacker there is Luke Kuechly, and if you want an edge rusher, there is Khalil Mack. However, if you want an interior lineman, Aaron Donald is proving himself to be the top candidate. He continued to demonstrate why he’s so deserving on Thursday Night Football, with another strong showing against the Buccaneers.
As a pass rusher, he has a 12.1 pass rushing productivity, second-best among defensive tackles and 3-4 defensive ends. He has 11 sacks, 20 hits, and 32 hurries on his 414 pass rushes. The only player ahead of him is Geno Atkins. He has the same number of sacks, 12 fewer hits, and 17 more hurries. You could argue you would rather have 12 hits than 17 hurries, which would make Donald the top interior rusher of the season. He continued that pace last night, with a three-hit, three-hurry performance.
In terms of stopping the run, Donald’s run stop percentage of 11.1 percent is fourth-best among defensive tackles. It’s worth noting that he is the only one in the top seven who doesn’t primarily play nose tackle. He had three stops in the run game against the Buccaneers, with all three of them registering as tackles for a loss.
Part of what makes him so impressive is his consistency. He has a positive grade in every game this season, and a grade of +4.3 or higher in each of his last eight games. In terms of just pass rushing, Donald has at least one pressure in every game, and at least three pressures in each of the last nine games. With only two missed tackles on the year, he has the right mix of making big plays (regardless of the opponent), while also rarely ever making a mistake.
Donald’s main competition on the defensive line will come from J.J. Watt, who currently has a PFF overall season grade of 95.6, compared to Donald’s own mark of 98.7 (on a scale of 1–100). Donald has a higher pass rushing productivity, which is especially impressive, considering Watt typically lines up across or outside the offensive tackle—while Donald typically lines up somewhere inside. Against the run, Watt owns 29 run stops, compared to Donald’s 33. Add in the fact that Watt has four more missed tackles and three more penalties, and the case adds up that Donald is clearly ahead at the moment.
While arguments could be made for players at other positions with different skill sets for Defensive Player of the Year, if the winner is going to be an interior defensive linemen, the choice is clear: Aaron Donald.
December 24, 2015 at 3:35 pm #36029znModeratorAfter Further Review: Why Aaron Donald is better than Watt right now
PETE PRISCO
The two best defensive players in the NFL are Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt and St. Louis Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald. They are different in a lot of ways, but there is one thing that binds them together, which is their use of their hands.
For all the talk about power and strength and quickness and agility — which both have — the thing that stands out to me when watching tape of both players is how well they use their hands to get off blocks.
The word that comes to mind is finesse, but that would be an injustice to the power both can play with when needed. But these are two athletes, pure and simple, who grew into dominating defensive linemen.
Watt was a former tight end who grew and moved to the defensive side. He still plays with the agility of the tight end position. Donald ran 4.68 at the NFL scouting combine when he came out of Pittsburgh in 2014, which is blazing for a defensive lineman and he has used martial arts to improve his hand fighting.
I break down Watt’s games every week here as part of After Further Review. I study all of his snaps (later you will see the breakdown from last week’s game). But this column is highlighted by a breakdown of Donald.
The debate this year is which player is better. I’ll say it this way: Watt would be my pick if I were starting a team in terms of a defensive player, but Donald is playing better this season, which makes him a strong candidate to be the NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
The amazing thing about Donald’s play is that he’s 6-foot-1, 285 pounds and he looks even smaller than that in his No. 99 jersey. At times when he’s running down plays away from him, Donald looks like a linebacker or even a strong safety. That’s how athletic he is as a player.
When he came out of Pitt, there were a lot of scouts who had reservations about his size. Would Donald hold up in the run game? That was one of the most-asked questions about him coming into the league. Was he strong enough?
The answer to that question after two years is a resounding yes. Sure, there are times when a guard or a tackle can get their big bodies on him and root him out, but it doesn’t happen a lot. His ability to use his hands and his quickness to prevent that from happening is as good as any inside player in the league.
Donald has 11 sacks this season, the most of any inside player, and he has 21 tackles for a loss. Without end Robert Quinn next to him — he started seven games but is now out for the season — Donald is also seeing more doubles. That’s the next challenge for any great player, handling two big guys at once. It’s even tougher for a smaller defensive player, but Donald has adjusted well.
Here’s a play from the Week 13 game with Arizona that shows how Donald has learned to deal with the double.
Donald is lined up in his three-technique position, outside the shoulder of left guard Mike Iupati. At the snap, he exploded into left tackle Jared Veldheer and moved him back. It was a show of strength as he used his legs to push into Veldheer with a low center of attack.
That made it tough for Iupati to get a real good double on him. As running back David Johnson tried to get through on the left side, Donald was able to reach out with his right arm and get involved in the play. That’s power.
Here’s a look at Donald using his power as a pass rusher.
On this play, he was lined up over center Lyle Sendlein. At the snap, Sendlein had no chance. Donald got off the line quickly, and then used his powerful legs to get under Sendlein and drive him back. As Carson Palmer tried to move, Donald disengaged Sendlein and got the sack.
Take a look.
Here’s a play from Week 15 against the Bucs where he overpowers guard Logan Mankins to make a stop in the run game. This is just brute strength on display.
It’s a fourth-and-1 play in the second quarter. The Bucs want to run Doug Martin to the left behind the fullback, and it’s a play that is well blocked up front.
But Donald blows it up by powering into Mankins and tackling Martin for a 2-yard loss.
You can see by the screen shot that Martin would have had the first down and a lot more if Donald doesn’t win and make the play.
Even when it appears Donald is handled on a play, he really isn’t. Here’s a look at a run play against the Cardinals that shows that.
Donald appeared to be cut off by right tackle Bobby Massie on the run to the left. That’s tough to do with Donald being so quick, but Massie actually did a nice job getting in front of him. The problem was he didn’t stay with his block. Donald was able to free himself from Massie’s big body to slide over and help tackle Johnson for a 2-yard gain.
That’s the type of effort Donald plays with every play. You don’t see him take downs off.
The power is nice, but it’s his quickness that sets him apart. There are so many plays where he’s the first guy off the ball, which makes it so tough for the offensive linemen.
Here’s another play that highlights his quickness from the Week 13 game with the Cardinals.
On this play, his ability to get off the ball prevented Massie from getting a down block on him. What I liked was how skinny he got to split to the two linemen to make the play.
That’s technique of a player much older. You can tell he studies the tactical side of the position.
As far as pass-rush skills, he has all the moves. Like the one sack above, he can use power. He also can use his wonderful athletic ability and his bag of moves. Here’s a sack from the Lions game that shows off his ability to use a variety of techniques to get the quarterback.
Lined up on the outside shoulder of rookie guard Laken Tomlinson, Donald charged hard into his body, then tried a swim move to disengage. But Tomlinson did a nice job initially. So Donald spun away from him and exploded to drop Matthew Stafford for a loss.
That is a lot of stuff happening in short time, which shows just how quick he is as a player and pass rusher.
In the game against the Cardinals, Donald also dropped out in coverage . This is not something I would do ever, but the Rams like to use some blitz-replace concepts, with a linebacker coming and a lineman dropping out. This time, Donald dropped and nobody else came. The way Donald played it he looked like a much smaller man.
Donald dropped out from a down stance, knocked tight end Jermaine Gresham off his route and then got in on the tackle on Larry Fitzgerald when he crossed into his zone.
That is an amazing play for a man that big.
Watching him on tape, he comes across at times like a one-man wrecking crew, even on a talented defense. That’s how much he shows up. Even when he’s not making the stat sheet, he’s impacting the game, which all the greats do.
Watt does it on weekly basis, which is where the comparisons are being made, even if they don’t play the same position.
Who would you take?
I’d take Watt, but it’s damn close. I think Watt gets way more attention from the opposing offenses than Donald does. But as the season has moved along, and Quinn hasn’t been off the field, Donald is getting a lot more of the Watt treatment.
That’s a sign of respect, a sign of greatness.
Most compare Donald to Warren Sapp. I’d also throw in former Minnesota Vikings star John Randle. Both of those players are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which is great company for Donald.
December 24, 2015 at 3:36 pm #36030znModeratorAfter Further Review: Why Aaron Donald is better than Watt right now
PETE PRISCO
That’s a great read.
That is, if you’re like me and can’t get enough Aaron Donald talk.
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December 26, 2015 at 9:00 am #36063znModeratorAfter Further Review: Why Aaron Donald is better than Watt right now
PETE PRISCO
That’s a great read.
That is, if you’re like me and can’t get enough Aaron Donald talk.
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And yet there’s more…
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Practice Report 12/24: Donald Making Case for DPOY
Myles Simmons
With the season heading toward its finish, voters will have their annual opportunity to bestow awards on deserving players throughout the league. As he did last year, defensive tackle Aaron Donald has performed well enough to have his name mentioned as a candidate for one such award.
In 2014, it was Defensive Rookie of the Year — an honor he won after recording 9.0 sacks and 17 tackles for loss. Now, Donald has elevated his game enough to become a candidate for Defensive Player of the Year.
Through 14 games, Donald has a team-high 11.0 sacks and 21 tackles for loss, with 35 quarterback pressures, 22 quarterback hits, two forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery. Two weeks ago against Detroit, the defensive tackle recorded a “hat trick” with three sacks of QB Matthew Stafford, which pushed him to the NFL’s top spot among DTs for sacks.
Bring the DPOY topic up to Donald, though, and he deflects. If you know anything about the young defensive tackle, that’s no surprise.
“It’s a blessing to be talked about with that, but we have a lot more football left,” Donald said this week. “We have two more games and we have to finish up strong.”
That, however, doesn’t stop his teammates and coaches from addressing the topic with well-earned superlatives.
“I think there’s a case that he’s the best defensive player in the NFL,” defensive end Chris Long said. “There’s going to be some people who’ll tell you otherwise, but you watch the film, it’s not just the stats — it’s about destroying every play. Seven out of 10 plays he’s doing something to mess the whole thing up. He’s, on a constant basis, making people look silly. I could go on for a while why I think that, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that. It’s kind of off limits right now to say anyone’s better than J.J. [Watt], but I think he’s in that conversation.”
“He’s disruptive nearly every play,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said. “Everyone wants to look at just the stats a lot of the time, but if you watch the tape, there’s so many QB hits that he’s a part of on plays that are out routes and screens. And if he doesn’t make a [tackle for loss], he’s making the running back avoid what he wants to do and bubble back and somebody else is getting it.
“If I had a vote — which, obviously, I don’t — but if I did,” Laurinaitis continued, “he would have my vote.”
Among Donald’s many attributes, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams praised the young DT’s ability to play both inside and outside on the defensive line. As the season has gone on, the Rams have lined up Donald not only between the guard and tackle as a three technique, but also head up on the center as a nose tackle, and even as a defensive end in some situations.
“I’m very happy I get a chance to coach him. He’s as dominant as any inside player there is in the league,” Williams said. “He can play inside and outside. You’ve seen us move him to the outside position, too. He’s very movable. He’s a great kid and I think he can be in those [DPOY] conversations, yes I do. Again, I’m biased on that. I like him a lot, but production warrants him to be considered.”
That Donald’s production has only increased this year is no surprise to those who have gotten to know him in St. Louis.
“I think he’s been elite since he got here,” Long said. “He just continues to fine tune what he does. I’ve never seen anyone more pro ready than when he got to the NFL. He was playing like a grown man from Day 1. Credit his work ethic for fine tuning it, but he was ready for this.”
“I think a lot of times, rookie year, you go out there and you’re searching early to figure out, ‘Hey, can I play at this level?’ And then when you figure out that you can, you kind of settle in,” Laurinaitis said. “But the good thing about Aaron is that he’s so humble and so driven, there was no sophomore slump with him. A lot of guys, you’ll see they come back out of shape or they believe their own hype and they don’t really work as hard, aren’t as motivated as they were to go into that rookie year — that draft and prove himself. Aaron’s been almost more motivated wanting to back it up. And I think he’s done that.”
There’s a bevy of evidence for Donald’s well-known work ethic, and one anecdote came from Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin before the Rams’ Week 3 matchup with his club. As a Pittsburgh native and University of Pittsburgh attendee, Donald spends plenty of time in the city over the offseason. And with the Pitt and Steelers facilities so close, Tomlin was able to see just how dedicated Donald is to improving his craft.
“He’s just a ridiculous worker,” Tomlin said in September. “I was in this past winter — it was a week after the Pro Bowl and I saw him in that parking lot every morning because he was coming over to get his work like he normally does at the University of Pittsburgh. I saw him just about every morning in February when a lot of guys are on beaches and vacationing, this guy was getting out of his car at 6:30 in the morning to work out. That’s not out of character based on the things that I know about him.”
Clearly, the hard work in February has paid off throughout the year. Donald said he’s feeling more comfortable in his second year, with more tools in his arsenal in order to make plays.
“From rushing the passer to stopping the run, I just feel a lot more comfortable out there,” Donald said. “I have more rushes in my book now, just playing good, and I have good guys around me to help with that.”
Donald’s skill is especially apparent when he seems to make the big plays at key times. For instance, on Dec. 17 against Tampa Bay, Donald blew past left guard Logan Mankins en route to stuffing running back Doug Martin for a two-yard loss on 4th-and-1 at the St. Louis 23-yard line.
“Logan Mankins might be one of the top-two guards I’ve ever played against — a physical guy,” Laurinaitis said. “And the way [Donald] uses that natural leverage, because he’s short and he’s super strong — he just bull rushed [Mankins] back and tossed him aside. It’s really impressive.”
“The better players I’ve ever been around have been able to rise to the occasion and without an awful lot of talking about that. When he came in the door, he could do that,” Williams said. “He’s looking to make plays all of the time, but he understands the special situations of the game. And he rises to those occasions.”
It’s plays like those that show off Donald’s supreme skill set. And that’s part of why whatever comparison someone throws out for him may not be so lofty.
“His change of direction, his start-stop, it’s uncanny,” Laurinaitis said. “I think that mixed with his strength and, like I said, his natural leverage — he’s got that Warren Sapp quickness but he’s super strong. For being how small he is, you think double teams [would get him], but no. He’s so stout. And, goodness, his hand strength is unbelievable.”
Whether that’s enough to earn Donald the Defensive Player of the Year award remains to be seen. But if nothing else, he should be a candidate for the honor not just this season, but also for years to come.
INJURY REPORT
The Rams had another light injury report on Thursday, but there were a couple changes. Lamarcus Joyner (back) was limited in practice on Wednesday, but did not participate on Thursday. Wide receiver Bradley Marquez (knee) was limited on Wednesday, but a full participant on Thursday. Offensive lineman Andrew Donnal (knee) and cornerback Eric Patterson (ankle) did not practice once again.
HEADING TO NAPA
With two weeks in a row in the Pacific time zone, the Rams will stay out west after facing the Seahawks for their practice week in preparation for the 49ers.
“The schedule makers put us in Seattle and then in San Francisco, so rather than going all the way to Seattle, then coming back, then going back out to San Francisco, we started making those plans months ago,” head coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday. “And we’re prepared to go out there and have a good week of practice.”
The Rams will be holding their practice sessions for the week at the Raiders training facility in Napa, Calif.
“We’ve done all our research,” Fisher said. “It’s more than adequate. It’ll be a good week of practice.”
December 27, 2015 at 10:24 am #36118InvaderRamModeratorgood stuff. the thing that most impresses me about him after the quickness is the hands. not just getting off blocks but when he gets his hand on the ball carrier, the dude is going down.
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