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August 2, 2018 at 7:01 pm #88892znModerator
Jeremy Nieves@JJSn0w
In your opinion, is Aaron Donald in uniform for week 1?Vincent Bonsignore@DailyNewsVinny
One way or another, yes.==
Vincent Bonsignore@DailyNewsVinny
Need to make a distinction. I firmly believe #Rams are willing to pay him more than $20m per, which would put him in range of many QB’s. Sense is he wants recent “elite” QB money. And that’s impractical.In the spirit of context, and based on feedback within #NFL, important to point out a Super Bowl roster and signing AD to a worthy contract reflective of his talents are not mutually exclusive. But maintaining a Super Bowl roster & overpaying him can be. That’s the crux
Ive never gotten any sense, from anyone, that it’s an either or situation. On the contrary, actually. And that includes yesterday’s comments.
What I’m saying is there is a belief Donald can be paid at top of his position market & Peters/Goff at theirs.
August 3, 2018 at 2:21 am #88909znModeratorRams start practice in 45 minutes. ICYMI LAT columnist @dylanohernandez wrote that if Donald holdout continues into regular season, the Rams should "Dump him." https://t.co/nv34uAU9Rl
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) August 2, 2018
August 3, 2018 at 2:54 am #88912AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-donald-hernandez-20180801-story.html
Aaron Donald’s holdout undermines the Rams’ incredible potential
Dylan Hernandez
By Dylan Hernandez
Aug 01, 2018 | 9:15 PMThe first week of training camp confirmed the promise of a bountiful offseason.
The offense is dynamic. The defense is ferocious. The head coach remains a geyser of youthful enthusiasm.
Ironically, these strengths are vulnerabilities for the Rams in the one battle they have to win in order to win the Super Bowl: The never-ending contract negotiation with their best player, Aaron Donald.
Two years removed from a four-win season, the Rams now have something to lose. And an otherwise well-executed plan to transform them from city-wide laughingstocks to league champions could be blown up by the reigning NFL defensive player of the year.
All Donald has to do is not show up for work.
The question isn’t whether Donald deserves to be paid like a high-end quarterback. He won’t be. He can’t be. The NFL has a salary cap and the Rams would be unwise to have more than $25 million invested annually in a defensive tackle, regardless of how dominant he is.
The real question is whether Donald will exercise the only leverage play at his disposal, extend his holdout into the regular season and compromise everything the Rams have built over the last year.
And if he does?
Dump him.
More specifically, trade him.
It’s not as if the Rams are treating him unfairly. They have taken care of Todd Gurley by making him the highest-paid running back in the game and they want to take care of Donald by making him the highest-paid defensive player in football.
This is the second consecutive year Donald has held out, giving his absence from training camp a feel of normalcy. Only something like this should never feel normal.
The Rams can’t have this happen year after year, which will be their fate if they fail to strike a deal with Donald but retain him beyond this season.
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Aug 01, 2018 | 8:45 PMRewarding him with a long-term contract after a prolonged holdout this season would set a bad precedent, as it would signal to players that the most effective method of extracting a desirable contract from the organization is to withhold their services. Donald is set to become a free agent after this season — he would be a restricted free agent as opposed to an unrestricted free agent if he doesn’t report by Tuesday — but the Rams could block his departure for as many as three years by putting a franchise tag on him.
The Rams would have Donald at a reasonable price in that scenario, but they would also have to deal with this sort of drama every summer. If he is holding out now, the guess is that he will hold out again if his earnings were determined by a franchise tag.
Donald would continue to have the power to hold the Rams hostage like this, his absence threatening to prevent the team from fully taking advantage of the developmental gains made by quarterback Jared Goff or the offensive innovations implemented by coach Sean McVay.
And that’s only part of the problem.
His holdouts will become a problem in the locker room the moment his performance declines. The assumption is that this won’t happen for some time, considering that Donald had a monster season last year after sitting out all of training camp. But Donald is already 27. Even if he has a similar season this year, could he do that again at 28 or 29? And if he misses a crucial tackle after sitting out training camp, his teammates will be grumbling.
The Rams remain hopeful the situation could be resolved before any of that happens, which is why they have been guarded and diplomatic when speaking of Donald and his representatives.
Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ chief operating officer, characterized the conversations between the two sides as “positive dialogue.”
“I give their side great credit,” Demoff said Wednesday. “They’ve handled themselves in a very professional manner. It’s a hard deal. You’re talking about an elite player. You’re trying to find the right deal for a really long time and fit into a hard salary cap on a team with a lot of talented young players. That’s what makes this deal difficult, but I’ll always be optimistic that we can bridge any gaps and find a way to get this done.”
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Aug 01, 2018 | 9:20 PMDemoff was predictably evasive when asked if he had any doubts whether Donald would be present for the season opener.
“I think our job is to try to figure out a way to focus that he’s here for the next six to eight opening days,” he said.
At this stage, the Rams can still laugh about the matter.
“Every night, I wake up with nightmares about it,” McVay said, jokingly.
When the laughter around him subsided, McVay said in a more serious tone, “That’s certainly something that you’d like to get taken care of. Let’s put it this way: I’ll sleep a lot better if we get that taken care of.”
Management’s kind words about Donald speak not only to his value to the team, but also the front office’s understanding of his stand.
Donald isn’t railing against the Rams. He’s railing against an economic structure that was collectively bargained by the union that represents him. He’s making the case that players at his position are underpaid, only this isn’t the right place or time to be attempting to subvert the system. That would be in 2021, when the current collective bargaining agreement expires. By then, of course, it’s too late for Donald.
And if Donald is too late in recognizing that, he could be earning his millions somewhere else.
I don’t think Donald can win by holding out, but I will not be upset if he does because I have no idea what is what at this time.
August 3, 2018 at 3:27 am #88913ZooeyModeratorI won’t worry unless it drags into the season.
I think Donald and the Rams both know that Donald can play better than anybody else in the game without being in camp. Therefore…nothing very important comes from Donald being in camp, and every day he is not on the field is a day he doesn’t wreck his $100 million knees.
August 3, 2018 at 8:25 am #88914InvaderRamModeratorI won’t worry unless it drags into the season.
I think Donald and the Rams both know that Donald can play better than anybody else in the game without being in camp. Therefore…nothing very important comes from Donald being in camp, and every day he is not on the field is a day he doesn’t wreck his $100 million knees.
yeah. rams did fine when pace was holding out all those years.
August 3, 2018 at 9:29 am #88919PA RamParticipantI find it really hard to believe he would sit out more than one or two games. I just can’t see it.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
August 5, 2018 at 3:10 pm #89063znModeratorAugust 7 deadline likely won’t make a difference for Aaron Donald
Mike Florio
August 7 deadline likely won’t make a difference for Aaron Donald
The holdout continues for Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald, thanks to (as recently explained by Rams COO Kevin Demoff) a fundamental disagreement between what the player wants and what the team will pay.
A key deadline for Donald is coming in two days, but that deadline isn’t likely to get him to cave.
The CBA provides that any player under contract who doesn’t report to camp by the 30th day before the start of the regular season does not acquire a year of credit toward free agency. Donald, who is entering his fifth NFL season, has only three years of credit toward free agency, because he held out into September last year. Thus, if he doesn’t show up by Tuesday, August 7 (30 days before the September 6 regular-season opener between the Falcons and Eagles), Donald will be stuck at three years of credit toward free agency, keeping him from becoming an unrestricted free agent in March.
So, coach Sean McVay, do you think Donald will show up in order to get his key fourth year of credit toward free agency?
“You know, I’m not really sure,” McVay told reporters on Saturday. “We’re scheduled to meet together with [General Manager] Les [Snead], Kevin, myself and Tony [Pastoors] tonight to discuss kind of where we are at. There really hasn’t been much progress in terms of the dialogue since camp. I know that we’re very intentional about trying to get him here, love to have him.”
They’d love to have him, but on their terms. And the August 7 deadline won’t make a difference, because Donald’s three years of credit toward free agency still make him eligible for restricted free agency. Which means that the Rams can either apply the highest level of RFA tender, which would give them a right to match an offer sheet from another team and a first-round pick as compensation if they don’t, or use the franchise tag. Given that plenty of other teams (especially those picking late in round one) would gladly give up a first-round draft pick to get Donald, the Rams will be using the franchise tag, regardless of whether Donald is restricted or unrestricted.
The far more relevant deadline comes on Thursday, August 9, when Donald skips L.A.’s game at Baltimore — and potentially loses more than $400,000 under an obscure CBA provision that sets the fine for players in their fifth-year options at one regular-season game check for each preseason game missed. Last year, the Rams waived the daily training-camp fines that Donald racked up during an extended holdout. This year, the stakes will be higher, thanks to more than $3.2 million in potential fines if Donald once again shows up on the eve of Week One.
Either way, Donald and the Rams remain dug in, and the real question is whether, unlike last year, his holdout will linger into the regular season, which starts with a Monday night game against the Raiders
August 5, 2018 at 4:05 pm #89067AgamemnonParticipantAugust 5, 2018 at 4:16 pm #89069HerzogParticipantIf he really is trying to get quarterback money…. than they should just franchise him a few years in a row and cut bait.
I feel he is abusing the good will the Rams have extended him.
August 5, 2018 at 5:11 pm #89071AgamemnonParticipantAugust 5, 2018 at 5:36 pm #89072znModeratorIf he really is trying to get quarterback money…. than they should just franchise him a few years in a row and cut bait.
I feel he is abusing the good will the Rams have extended him.
I agree with ag. What is “qb money”? In 2018 2nd contracts for qbs were around 28 M. I doubt he is asking for anything like that. And besides, these are negotiable positions. If the team is offering 21 M (which is too low) and AD is asking 25, that would seem to point to them signing him at 23 M give or take.
August 6, 2018 at 10:31 am #89118znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams DT Aaron Donald has until Tuesday to report to camp or he will lose an accrued season and become a restricted free agent after this season, as opposed to an UFA. Saying that, Donald doesn’t care whether he’s an RFA or UFA; he’s determined not to play until he has a new deal.—
NOTE: I corrected a typo in that. The first time he uses the term RFA he means UFA so I just changed it. I bold the changed term.
August 6, 2018 at 10:45 am #89119znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams DT Aaron Donald has until Tuesday to report to camp or he will lose an accrued season and become a restricted free agent after this season, as opposed to an UFA. Saying that, Donald doesn’t care whether he’s an RFA or UFA; he’s determined not to play until he has a new deal.—
NOTE: I corrected a typo in that. The first time he uses the term RFA he means UFA so I just changed it. I bold the changed term.
Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
Aaron’s people seem to be dropping the hint/threat — for the second time in recent weeks — that his absence could last deeper than last year.—
Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
The key date, as always, is when actual game checks become a factor.—
This is the other side of rookie wage scale.
Not one of these guys is worth the guaranteed $ they got.
Rookie deals should be 3 years so studs like Mack & Donald get what they deserve earlier and duds like below don't. https://t.co/O9pnSkm1Vl
— Ross Tucker (@RossTuckerNFL) August 6, 2018
August 6, 2018 at 11:40 am #89120AgamemnonParticipantThe biggest new negative for Aaron is that now he can be fined some major money. He could be on the hook for $80k for minicamp, $30k for each day of training camp and, for missed preseason games, 1/17th of his ($6.892 million) base salary, based on my understanding.
— Rich Hammond (@Rich_Hammond) August 6, 2018
Vinny says game checks will be a factor. According to this, it starts in preseason for 5th year option players.
NFL Rookie Contracts Explained: Fifth-Year Option
NFL Rookie Contracts Explained: Fifth-Year Option
Every player selected in the first round of the NFL Draft will automatically have a Fifth-Year Option added in his contract. This option cannot be separately attached to the player contract.
The option allows a team to retain a player’s rights for five years rather than the standard four, which is the bonus of selecting a player in the first round. In order to extend the contract, the team must inform the player during the period between the last regular season game of his third contract year and May 3 of the next League Year (Art. 7, Sec. 7, (a), 31).
The Fifth-Year Option is non-negotiable, and the non-compensation terms from a player’s rookie contract will be transferred to the fifth year.
Many terms allowed in other contracts are prohibited from being added into the Fifth-Year Option. These terms include Option Bonuses, Option Exercise Fees, option Non-Exercise fees, Option Buyouts, or any other compensation that stems from the team exercising or declining the Fifth-year option (Sec. 7 (d), 31).
When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury.
The payments are not considered Rookie Salary and do not count toward league or club rookie pools or allocations. The player’s option-year salary is also not subject to the 25% Rule.
The salary of the option year is also the only payment a player is eligible to receive for football services outside of minimum offseason workout per diems and compensation for non-football related team activities.
The salary for the Fifth-Year Option is also different for two types of players: those selected in the top-ten picks and all other first-round selections.
The option for top-ten picks is set at an amount equal to the salary of the Transition Tender (set in Article 10, Section 4 of the CBA) for the player’s fourth contract year. This salary is calculated, to put it simply, by finding the average of the top ten highest Prior Year Salaries for players at the same position. Positions are defined by where a player spent the most plays during the previous season (Sec. 7, (a), 31), unless you ask Jimmy Graham.
For players selected between 11th and 32nd in the draft, the same calculation is used to compute their salaries. The difference lies in what is averaged; rather than the top ten, the 3rd-25th highest Prior Year Salaries for the player’s position will be used.
If a team decides to use its option, the player can face substantial fines for refusing to report to camp on time and/or at all. Players can be fined up to $30,000 per day of training camp missed and a fine equal to one week’s regular season (1/17 of P5 Salary) check for any preseason games missed.
The Fifth-Year Option is intended provide teams with more security when it invests a valuable first-round pick on a player.
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