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  • #59791
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    #59793
    JackPMiller
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    How about playoff appearances. This will be his 22nd year, and he has only been in the playoffs, 6 times. Fisher is on the verge of being the losingest Head Coach in NFL history. He just past Tom Landry for 2nd most, soon will reach Dan Reeves. Both are Hall of Famers. Something Jeff Fisher will never be.

    #59795
    Herzog
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    losingest Head Coach in NFL history

    I really think you have a point there. It’s embarrassing.

    #59810
    PA Ram
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    The last thing I would ever do is judge a coach by his record.

    Canton awaits him.

    Good grief.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #59811
    Avatar photozn
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    The last thing I would ever do is judge a coach by his record.

    Canton awaits him.

    Good grief.

    I agree that records don’t tell you the whole story.

    WHY does a team have its record? If you don’t ask that IMO you don;t really know.

    So for example, only one coach in the history of the NFL has won after a team moved (Flores, 82).

    That doesn’t count?

    #59812
    PA Ram
    Participant

    The last thing I would ever do is judge a coach by his record.

    Canton awaits him.

    Good grief.

    I agree that records don’t tell you the whole story.

    WHY does a team have its record? If you don’t ask that IMO you don;t really know.

    So for example, only one coach in the history of the NFL has won after a team moved (Flores, 82).

    That doesn’t count?

    Well–you have to have some sort of measurement.

    You just do.

    What is next year’s excuse? That they didn’t have the draft picks to fill in positions?

    What about 2018? That there are too many distractions because of the new stadium?

    I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single coach in football that didn’t have a number of excuses–if they wanted them. Hue Jackson? Lost his starting QB. Boom.

    Bears? Cutler got hurt.

    Panthers? Cam is getting beat up–no calls by the refs.

    Yes–excuses are everywhere–and if record does not count as a measurement–why would they ever fire him? When will there ever be a perfect season without injuries, or distractions or scheduling problems or bad officiating? Every team deals with it. The Pats started two rookies on their offensive line last year week #1. And it was seamless.

    Good coaches find a way. They have to.

    The problem is that the Rams have come to accept mediocrity as success–and so have some fans.

    And Fisher has been mediocre for a looooooong time. Even before the Rams. But he had excuses then too, of course.

    Yes–they can extend him 3 years—5 years—-10 years and maybe–just maybe he DOES have a good year or two. He probably will. Maybe he won’t.

    But there will ALWAYS be excuses to explain a poor season.

    This team and its fans deserve better. I just think five years is fair. When I see a running game go backward–and that’s supposed to be the bread and butter–I am concerned. When I see they can’t fix it I am more concerned.

    That statement he made about being happy if Goff had settled for 3 points on the TD drive–just so the Saints wouldn’t have time on the clock? There is something wrong with his very philosophy of “don’t play to win–play not to lose” and I think it infects his offense.

    THAT defensive meltdown against the Saints? Forget the win/loss. That can’t happen.

    It’s ALWAYS something.

    I’m just tired of it and I’m ready for the team to move on from him.

    I’m pretty sure that we’ll get to see if he can turn this around because I’m pretty sure that the Rams are keeping him.

    But his record is what it is.

    r

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #59813
    Avatar photozn
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    Well–you have to have some sort of measurement.

    You just do.

    What is next year’s excuse? That they didn’t have the draft picks to fill in positions?

    What about 2018? That there are too many distractions because of the new stadium?

    I think you’d be hard pressed to find a single coach in football that didn’t have a number of excuses–if they wanted them. Hue Jackson? Lost his starting QB. Boom.

    Bears? Cutler got hurt.

    Panthers? Cam is getting beat up–no calls by the refs.

    Yes–excuses are everywhere–and if record does not count as a measurement–why would they ever fire him? When will there ever be a perfect season without injuries, or distractions or scheduling problems or bad officiating? Every team deals with it. The Pats started two rookies on their offensive line last year week #1. And it was seamless.

    Good coaches find a way. They have to.

    The problem is that the Rams have come to accept mediocrity as success–and so have some fans.

    And Fisher has been mediocre for a looooooong time. Even before the Rams. But he had excuses then too, of course.

    Yes–they can extend him 3 years—5 years—-10 years and maybe–just maybe he DOES have a good year or two. He probably will. Maybe he won’t.

    But there will ALWAYS be excuses to explain a poor season.

    This team and its fans deserve better. I just think five years is fair. When I see a running game go backward–and that’s supposed to be the bread and butter–I am concerned. When I see they can’t fix it I am more concerned.

    That statement he made about being happy if Goff had settled for 3 points on the TD drive–just so the Saints wouldn’t have time on the clock? There is something wrong with his very philosophy of “don’t play to win–play not to lose” and I think it infects his offense.

    THAT defensive meltdown against the Saints? Forget the win/loss. That can’t happen.

    It’s ALWAYS something.

    I’m just tired of it and I’m ready for the team to move on from him.

    I’m pretty sure that we’ll get to see if he can turn this around because I’m pretty sure that the Rams are keeping him.

    But his record is what it is.

    r

    No you don’t need some sort of abstract measurement. You need to look at things.

    And PA, I reject the “excuses” word. To me it is always only a flame term. You do know that making excuses means rationalization and denial. Well remember the coaches aren’t having this discussion, 2 posters are. The one who uses the “e” word is saying the other is not making an argument, but spinning rationalizations and denial. Which of course puts the person who uses the “e” word in the position of saying, see I am just talking about simple reality (as opposed to have one among many possible opinions) and you’re not…in other words, using the “e” word just ends up allowing someone to claim their opinion isn’t an opinion but a truth, and that the target of their e-wordizing is just rationalizing and denying.

    Using the “e” word can’t escape that logic…that is what the “e” word does and says.

    Better if we approach this as people with different views, and that;s all.

    There are not “excuses” in these discussions, there are different opinions looking at different causes and examining different reasons. And btw I see the Parcells meme thing as a slogan, not an argument.

    I have always thought that records are only a first step in analyzing a team–you have to look closer to have a more realistic view. 4 teams could all go 9-7. One is overachieving, another is underachieving, one is a good team wracked by injuries, one is an emerging team that isn’t there yet. You can’t tell which is which just by the record. YOu have to look.

    Fisher had no qb after 7 games into 2013. He had Clemens, then then Hill, then Davis, Foles who fell apart and got benched, then Keenum who did fine as long as they had a running game.

    In that same period, 2013-2015, the OL was okay in 2013, fell apart in 2014, and got rebuilt as young and inexperienced in 2015 but then got injured too.

    Now how many coaches can we think of who did well under those conditions? Any?

    To me, and this has always been true–if you don’t look at contexts and circumstances, then, you’re not really accounting for what happened.

    I am open to any argument that showed me coaches who did well when they didnt have a qb and had continuing issues to that extent with their OLs.

    #59843
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I have always thought that records are only a first step in analyzing a team–you have to look closer to have a more realistic view. 4 teams could all go 9-7. One is overachieving, another is underachieving, one is a good team wracked by injuries, one is an emerging team that isn’t there yet. You can’t tell which is which just by the record. YOu have to look.

    Fisher had no qb after 7 games into 2013. He had Clemens, then then Hill, then Davis, Foles who fell apart and got benched, then Keenum who did fine as long as they had a running game.

    In that same period, 2013-2015, the OL was okay in 2013, fell apart in 2014, and got rebuilt as young and inexperienced in 2015 but then got injured too.

    Now how many coaches can we think of who did well under those conditions? Any?

    To me, and this has always been true–if you don’t look at contexts and circumstances, then, you’re not really accounting for what happened.

    I am open to any argument that showed me coaches who did well when they didnt have a qb and had continuing issues to that extent with their OLs.

    The abstract measurement of records is usually what brings down a coach. I don’t follow every other team so it would be difficult for me to explain every losing coach’s record or to agree that no one has faced any of the adversity on the level that Jeff Fisher has. On the other hand it is highly doubtful that no coach has faced them or that every other team is in a perfect position year after year.

    But okay. I will try to be positive. Sell me on Fisher–despite his record. What do you see that makes him worthy of continuing to lead this team? What do you see that makes you believe no other coach could have done the same under the circumstances? Or that they certainly could not have done better? Your argument seems to suggest that because of his circumstances NO ONE could have done better than Jeff Fisher. This almost absolves him of any responsibility. If a coach’s ability is no more than the sum of his ‘luck” then none of this really matters. They may as well sign him for life.

    I have to say that Rams fans are particularly patient. I hear the Eagles talk radio and they are already calling for Pederson’s head. Now that is ridiculous. But it is the other end of the spectrum.

    Maybe living here makes me more reactionary. I accept that.

    But I also feel that fans do reach a point of burnout with a coach. Good coaches do get fired. I’d love to have Andy Reid. But he wore out his welcome in Philly.

    I don’t believe in Fisher. I don’t have your faith. I don’t see anything in him that makes me believe he will turn this around. I believe next year will be like this year. And if we do not judge Fisher on five years of work we have his whole career to judge him. It is a terrible record, short of a few bright spots.

    I say this in all sincerity, zn: maybe Fisher just isn’t that good.

    But I do know he is going to be here for a year or two at least so I would welcome you cheering me up by pointing out the bright spots. And I don’t mean that sarcastically. I really do appreciate your optimism. I’ll always be under a “Philly” influence. I can’t change that. It’s all around me. I do not have that sort of optimism and outlook. And if I’m not being fair I’d probably be the last one to recognize it.

    And make no mistake–I WANT Fisher to succeed if he’s going to be here. I WANT to look back on this a year or two from now and say how happy I am the Rams stayed the course.

    I hope that happens.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #59846
    Avatar photojoemad
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    The last thing I would ever do is judge a coach by his record.

    Canton awaits him.

    Good grief.

    I agree that records don’t tell you the whole story.

    WHY does a team have its record? If you don’t ask that IMO you don;t really know.

    So for example, only one coach in the history of the NFL has won after a team moved (Flores, 82).

    That doesn’t count?

    I think there is a reason why Gene Stallings, Mike White, Rich Brooks, Frank Kush did not coach at the NFL level after their moving gig… Did the franchise move for each of these coaches affect their ability to get hired as re-treads? I doubt it…..

    Look, I get it, in most cases, healthy sustainable franchises do not move… Fisher inherited a mess of a team and I get the injuries to Bradford, but at the same time, Fisher has not shown a consistent ability to win a game in the 4th qtr… he has had plenty of chances the past 2 seasons…

    Miami, Carolina, Giants, Detroit, Buffalo were all winnable games this season

    Last year:, Washington, Steelers, GB, Vikings, Ravens, and SF all winnable games

    Sure, The Rams had a back up QB, but so did some of these opponents.

    we are seeing the same god damn results in penalties, poor discipline and lack of poise for crunch time execution….. this is the Jeff Fisher culture that the Rams have…

      Jeff Fisher has yet to demonstrate the leadership skills to implement a winning culture

    … it’s apparent that Fisher just doesn’t have the skill set to do that…….

    #59849
    Avatar photowv
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    Well, i think its fine for Demoff to raise the issue of ‘context.’
    And sure its fine to remind fans to look at more than just ‘the record’.

    In the end though, each fan is going to weigh things however they want. And wv-ram-fan has had enough.

    And of course Kronky will do whatever he wants.

    w
    v

    #59852
    Avatar photowv
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    I’d say that bolded Demoff quote tells us a lot. Looks like the next five games matter.

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    v

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    link:http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-fisher-plaschke-20161129-story.html
    …on Tuesday, Demoff directly addressed the perception that his team is a mess, credibly facing the criticism.

    “This was not going to be a ‘snap your fingers and have a change overnight,’ ’’ he said. “There’s a lot of work to be done to grow this fan base.’’

    No, Demoff didn’t fire Fisher on the spot like many fans would have hoped, but he pointedly acknowledged the final five games could determine the direction of the organization.

    “Jeff has done a tremendous job handling the distractions of this off-season … but at the end of the day, we all need more wins,’’ Demoff said. “How this team responds to adversity, how we get better, the progress Jared shows, the form the defense shows … that’s what these last five weeks are all about. That will tell us a lot about whether we have the right pieces to move forward in 2017.’’

    Considering those five games include contests with three current division leaders, Fisher’s chances don’t look good, especially since Demoff kept mentioning the “hope” that has been so absent.

    “We can’t change the first 11 games, but we still have the last five games, and most important is that we can show that hope for next year,’’ Demoff said.

    #59856
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Vincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny

    FYI on Jeff Fisher #Rams future. Absent of absolute answers there’s been an inference he’ll be back in ’17. Here is sense I’m getting: 1/2

    no decision has been made on Fisher and #Rams will take a look at the entire picture at the end of the season and proceed accordingly.

    #59857
    bnw
    Blocked

    Why believe anything that liar Demoff sputters from his pie hole?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59858
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    The Rams had a back up QB, but so did some of these opponents.

    So those opponents were starting back-up caliber qbs in 50 of 73 games? And in the last 4 years, including this, that’s 50 of 57.

    On top of having to repair an entire OL cause of injuries?

    What coach do we know of who did well under THOSE conditions. Not starting a back-up for a few games. But saddled with a back-up caliber qb plus either a broken or inexperienced OL the majority of the time?

    Can we think of anyone at all in the entire history of the NFL?

    Heck Martz did fine with Jamie Martin in 2002 but that was just a few games. What if the OL had deep issues AND they started Martin in more than 3/4ths of those games back then, going for a few years?

    #59860
    bnw
    Blocked

    The Rams had a back up QB, but so did some of these opponents.

    So those opponents were starting back-up caliber qbs in 50 of 73 games?

    On top of having to repair an entire OL cause of injuries?

    Repair? Don’t use that word in reference to the Rams O line which was last repaired in 2003.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59861
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    The abstract measurement of records is usually what brings down a coach.

    What you really said, though was—for all we know. Because unless we understand more than the record than we don’t understand the real reasons for keeping or firing someone. If that’s true, then, it just LOOKS like that’s the sole reason.

    Think of the coaches who were kept in spite of being the coach of a developing team that was losing, who then went on to do well.

    Someone must have been thinking about the team and its circumstances in those cases, and not just the record.

    Meanwhile I still can’t think of anyone who did well without a qb that percentage of the time while also having to start over on the OL cause of injuries.

    #59862
    Avatar photojoemad
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    The Rams had a back up QB, but so did some of these opponents.

    So those opponents were starting back-up caliber qbs in 50 of 73 games? And in the last 4 years, including this, that’s 50 of 57.

    On top of having to repair an entire OL cause of injuries?

    What coach do we know of who did well under THOSE conditions. Not starting a back-up for a few games. But saddled with a back-up caliber qb plus either a broken or inexperienced OL the majority of the time?

    Can we think of anyone at all in the entire history of the NFL?

    Heck Martz did fine with Jamie Martin in 2002 but that was just a few games. What if the OL had deep issues AND they started Martin in more than 3/4ths of those games back then, going for a few years?

    Let’s talk about the last 2 years………

    1) The RAMS made a fucking trade to get Nick Foles. he should not be considered a back up… That is a decision that this management team made that contributes to the culture of losing.

    2) Teams have won with back ups and bad lines.. there was a reason why Warner broke his hand because the line was a sieve and back up Bulger came in and won.

    Kapernick was a back up to replace Alex Smith that was concussed, Cassel was a back up behind not so perfect lines.

    Bottom line is this:
    1) Fisher cannot get the troops to win games in the 4th qtr in the past 2 seasons with HIS starting QB.

    2) Case was HIS starter, Foles was HIS starter. Fisher and the RAMS went out of their way to get Case back on the roster to compete with Foles and Goff.

    3) Fisher does not have what it takes to create a culture that is conducive to winning. No discipline, no execution, no poise in the 4th qtr… He is a gimmick special teams coach, the Music City Miracle was the reason he made his only Super Bowl. Had the Rams executed in the Red Zone in Super Bowl 34, (blown snap hold, dropped Holt Pass missed kick by Wilkens the game would’ve been a blow out.
    “Air McNair’s” offense punted almost every time they touched the ball.

    Yes, defense wins championships, but offense wins games… Fisher has proven that he is not this guy..

    75% OF HIS COACHING CAREER IS WATCHING THE PLAYOFFS FROM HOME.

    #59866
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Foles failed and nobody expected it. If you want to count him as a starter, fine, but I only give him the games he was fine in before he crashed. To me that’s the same as Bradford being injured–unforseen, and it leaves you without a qb.

    No. Teams have NOT won when they have whole seasons of back-ups and broken OLs–and if you doubt me, name the examples. You can get by in a few games like that (the example I named was Jamie Martin) but it has an expiration date. This is why I am asking for coaches who did well with ENTIRE SEASONS of that…because I know it just is so rare as to be non-existent (no one ever thinks of an example).

    And if no one can name examples of that then it is telling.

    Keenum’s not a starting level qb, he was a placeholder for a rookie. If he were a starting caliber QB (remember I said starting CALIBER) then the Rams sure underpaid him at the risk of losing him.

    I got that he was a placeholder before the season…and he’s a placeholder because he’s NOT starting caliber.

    And as long as we are going to engage in personal value judgments, yes Fisher does have what it takes to create a culture for winning. He has done it before and my bet is if he stays he does it again. So that’s just opinion against opinion. ‘

    Meanwhile—there are no examples anyone can name of any coach winning when they had YEARS worth of no qb plus bigtime OL issues. That is because, I think, no coach CAN win under those circumstances.

    #59869
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Meanwhile—there are no examples anyone can name of any coach winning when they had YEARS worth of no qb plus bigtime OL issues. That is because, I think, no coach CAN win under those circumstances.

    That hasn’t been the circumstance in the past 2 years.

    The man himself said that in August, he has the talent for “11-5”

    Fisher’s quote did not end at “7-9 bullshit”, he said HIS team is better than “10-6″… maybe it is, but Fisher isn’t getting the most out of his team.

    ZN, this is not 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014….. this is 2015 and 2016. The time for 11-5 is now. HE HAS LOST 6 OF HIS LAST 7 GAMES. FUCK THIS GUY!!!!!

    #59871
    bnw
    Blocked

    Foles failed and nobody expected it. If you want to count him as a starter, fine, but I only give him the games he was fine in before he crashed. To me that’s the same as Bradford being injured–unforseen, and it leaves you without a qb.

    BS. You can’t say that. It is on Fisher, even MORE SO that Foles turned out to be a head case in St. Louis. A head case with a big contract apparently only to bolster Fisher’s case for trading Bradford since Foles didn’t earn it. Folks looks fine in his two starts for KC, both were wins with QB ratings of 135 and 86, 3 TDs no INTs. Why the turnaround?

    • This reply was modified 8 years ago by bnw.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #59877
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Meanwhile—there are no examples anyone can name of any coach winning when they had YEARS worth of no qb plus bigtime OL issues. That is because, I think, no coach CAN win under those circumstances.

    That hasn’t been the circumstance in the past 2 years.

    The man himself said that in August, he has the talent for “11-5”

    Fisher’s quote did not end at “7-9 bullshit”, he said HIS team is better than “10-6″… maybe it is, but Fisher isn’t getting the most out of his team.

    ZN, this is not 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014….. this is 2015 and 2016. The time for 11-5 is now. HE HAS LOST 6 OF HIS LAST 7 GAMES. FUCK THIS GUY!!!!!

    You can vote against the guy.

    But yes he had those circumstances last 2 years. Foles melts down–same as Bradford getting hurt, no qb. Or worse than a #2, bad qb because of melting down. Replacement is Keenum, not a starting caliber qb. He’s a placeholder for Goff, who is a rookie qb.

    If Goff works out (which I think he will), then, when he is settled in they have a qb and can win. If Goff doesn’t work out and can’t play, then it won’t matter who the coach is.

    .

    #59888
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    OMG.

    I am ready for a change, too.

    I am so sick of losing I can’t express it.

    I grew up with the Rams as one of the most respected franchises in the entire league, a team that was truly feared, year after year.

    And for the past 25 years, they have mostly sucked with the unbelievable exception of the 3-year GSOT window. An entire generation of kids do not remember a time when the Rams were anything but a doormat.

    That does not sit well with me, and I want a change.

    But the reality is Jeff Fisher is here for at least two more seasons, and let’s just get on with it and hope for the best. (he says, knowing there will be 200 more “Fuck Fisher” threads).

    #59889
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Anyway this may just all get down to individual poster votes.

    The Recordites and the Contextistas can probably argue until they are blue in the face, and then disagree on what shade of blue it is.

    But still.

    Board wars are healthy things.

    #59892
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    Anyway this may just all get down to individual poster votes.

    The Recordites and the Contextistas can probably argue until they are blue in the face, and then disagree on what shade of blue it is.

    But still.

    Board wars are healthy things.

    Typical.

    You leave out the Pragmatics who argue that it doesn’t make any difference what the Recordites and the Contextistas think. The only thing that matters is what Kroenke thinks. And the way the Dollars and Sense goes, he is keeping him.

    #59894
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    You leave out the Pragmatics who argue that it doesn’t make any difference what the Recordites and the Contextistas think.

    Well I did address the Pragmateors. It was implied. And I did a good job of implying it, too. So if you read me right, you can sense my feelings on that.

    So it’s all there.

    What I DIDN’T do was say anything concerning the BringBackVermeilions. But then I am tired of placating them.

    #59936
    Herzog
    Participant

    Ok, I wanna say a little something. Yes, of course circumstances do matter. That’s why Jimmy Johnson can build a dynasty in Dallas, and “not so much” in Miami.

    That being said, If some of those circumstances are caused by the Head Coach’s moves that went sour…than you can’t just say “circumstances” any more than you can say “Record only”

    If the head coach runs the whole show, than isn’t he accountable? If his decisions led to the circumstances that we are talking about….isn’t he responsible? Maybe not.

    MAYBE NOT.

    But some Coaches have a knack for winning and team building. I recently read the wikipedia page on Andy Reid. It almost made me throw up. He took that team (philly) and turned it around SO FAST. And maintained a high level of play for SO LONG. Now he’s continuing to win in Kansas City.

    I WISH so much that he was the coach of the Rams. The very best coaches seem to shape the team regardless of circumstance. They almost will it to happen. There’s not many out there that can do it. Reid and Billichek are two of those coaches. The Harbaughs’ might be in that category.

    I really believe that Fisher doesn’t have team building vision. There’s no comprehensive plan past this season and “hopefully next”.

    I don’t know. BLECH I don’t know why I’m even posting about this.

    #59941
    Avatar photosnowman
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    It just struck me that these posts generally say the same things about Fisher’s coaching skills, personnel decisions and career results, but we disagree on whether they are reasons or excuses. If you want to objectively look at his record, you have reasons why he has struggled. If you want to evaluate him as a head coach, you see the reasons as excuses.

    #59947
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    The Rams won a Super Bowl with a back up QB as did the Patriots . Don’t give me reasons my argument isn’t valid don’t argue against my argument state your case why you believe he should get more time and conform to the extremely narrow tolerances you set for the other side.

    #59948
    Avatar photojoemad
    Participant

    The Rams won a Super Bowl with a back up QB as did the Patriots . Don’t give me reasons my argument isn’t valid don’t argue against my argument state your case why you believe he should get more time and conform to the extremely narrow tolerances you set for the other side.

    exactly, the Rams have not had a back up for 2 years…..

    They traded for Nick Foles to replace Sam Bradford as “their” starter.

    The Rams went out of their way to bring Case Keenum back to camp to compete and win the starting job.

    Foles was BENCHED last year and lost his starting job…..

    That’s the role of coaching, to measure your talent and get the team ready for the next level of play.

    JEFF FISHER HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GET HIS TEAM IN POSITION TO PLAY AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

    1) PENALTIES and LACK OF EXECUTION AT CRUCIAL TIMES HAS BEEN THE ROOT PROBLEM…. THAT IS LACK COACHING…….

    #59950
    bnw
    Blocked

    Competence has been a Jekyll and Hyde scenario with Fisher. Mostly Hyde of late.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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