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  • #95055
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    “19 of the top 22 players are on defense.”

    Agamemnon

    #95056
    Avatar photozn
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    I wonder how deep that draft is and at which positions.

    It could be a case, for example, where the top 19 players are on defense but then it falls off position by position after the top guys. That’s the opposite of a draft where the top picks are not all that elite but there’s a lot of quality in the late 1st through 3rd rounds.

    #95059
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Heavy on defensive line, especially first round.

    Agamemnon

    #95077
    snowman
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    CBS 2019 draft rankings

    FWIW, here is the opinion of CBS.

    #95079
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    CBS 2019 draft rankings

    FWIW, here is the opinion of CBS.

    Agamemnon

    #95089
    JackPMiller
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    We don’t know how the draft will play out. Hopefully some of the QBs will move up, pushing some of the Edge Rushers down to us. I keep hoping Montez Sweat would slide to us. As they always say, you can’t have enough pass rushers.

    #95351
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #95352
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    they need to draft front seven. shore up the run defense and get a pass rush.

    if they can get a free safety too.

    #95357
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    They also need CBs. imo

    Agamemnon

    #95365
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    They also need CBs. imo

    are talib and peters back for one more year?

    i feel like a fierce pass rush will alleviate at least some of the problems.

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    #95368
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    The Rams have them for one more year, if they want.

    Agamemnon

    #95386
    JackPMiller
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    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>They also need CBs. imo</span>

    CB is not as much of a need. Sure up the front 7 and get a Free Safety. Plus, we are limited in picks, even if we get the two 3rd round comp picks as expected. We don’t have anyone on this roster that that is tradable, and that our team is willing to trade a first round pick for, that we are willing to give up.

    I mean there are players like Donald, Gurley and Goff, but they are untouchable and a few others that may fall here, but I’m talking about guys not untouchable worth 1st or 2nd round picks.

    #95388
    JackPMiller
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    They also need CBs. imo

    are talib and peters back for one more year?

    i feel like a fierce pass rush will alleviate at least some of the problems.

    Yes, they each have one year left on their deals. Meaning, they will be here next season. Lamarcus Joyner is a Free Agent though. He is our Free Safety.

    Also, Mark Barron we need to release. He is done.

    If we remain playing in the 3-4, Michael Brockers has to go as well. He does not fit in this system.

    Releasing Barron and Brockers sheds $18 million off the cap next year.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by JackPMiller.
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    #95394
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    CB is not as much of a need. Sure up the front 7 and get a Free Safety. Plus, we are limited in picks, even if we get the two 3rd round comp picks as expected. We don’t have anyone on this roster that that is tradable, and that our team is willing to trade a first round pick for, that we are willing to give up.

    I mean there are players like Donald, Gurley and Goff, but they are untouchable and a few others that may fall here, but I’m talking about guys not untouchable worth 1st or 2nd round picks.

    At $8 and $9 million, I am in favor of drafting replacements for Peters and Talib.

    Agamemnon

    #95400
    Avatar photozn
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    IMO? Not Talib. I am for drafting depth behind Talib, but not on cutting him for cap space and then replacing him with a rookie.

    #95403
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    IMO? Not Talib. I am for drafting depth behind Talib, but not on cutting him for cap space and then replacing him with a rookie.

    Ok. You can keep Talib. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #95407
    JackPMiller
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    Right now, our draft picks we have, not including comp picks, if correct looks like this

    1
    4
    6

    CB is not as much of a need. Sure up the front 7 and get a Free Safety. Plus, we are limited in picks, even if we get the two 3rd round comp picks as expected. We don’t have anyone on this roster that that is tradable, and that our team is willing to trade a first round pick for, that we are willing to give up.

    I mean there are players like Donald, Gurley and Goff, but they are untouchable and a few others that may fall here, but I’m talking about guys not untouchable worth 1st or 2nd round picks.

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>At $8 and $9 million, I am in favor of drafting replacements for Peters and Talib. </span>

    Right now, our draft picks we have, not including comp picks, if correct looks like this

    1
    4
    6

    We could get three comp picks, two 3rds(Sammy Watkins and Trumaine Johnson) and a slight chance at a 7th(Cody Davis).

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    #95409
    Avatar photozn
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    Right now, our draft picks we have, not including comp picks, if correct looks like this

    1
    4
    6

    But then why not count comp picks.

    They are most likely going to get 2 3s. And remember, the Rams so far have been absolutely golden with 3rd round picks. In fact in the last 2 drafts they got 2 top starters out of 3 3rd round picks (Kupp and Johnson obviously) and it looks like they scored on the 3rd one too (Noteboom).

    #95410
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Their highest comp pick in the 3rd is part of the compensation for Fowler. So they actually have their own pick in the 3rd round. Only if they don’t get any comp picks do they have to give up their own 3rd round pick.

    Agamemnon

    #95411
    JackPMiller
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    Right now, our draft picks we have, not including comp picks, if correct looks like this

    1
    4
    6

    But then why not count comp picks.

    They are most likely going to get 2 3s. And remember, the Rams so far have been absolutely golden with 3rd round picks. In fact in the last 2 drafts they got 2 top starters out of 3 3rd round picks (Kupp and Johnson obviously) and it looks like they scored on the 3rd one too (Noteboom).

    I never said they were not good at drafting in the 3rd round. Noteboom is supposed to be our LT of the future, so he is TBD at that position.

    Plus, I was guessing it could be a 3rd and a 4th, or two 4ths. The 7th rounder we may or may not get. That is why I did not add them.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by JackPMiller.
    #95417
    Avatar photozn
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    I never said they were not good at drafting in the 3rd round.

    And I didn’t say you DID say that.

    I said why leave out the 3rd round, we know they are getting comp picks. That was all that I addressed directly to you.

    I then just happened to add, just for conversation’s sake, that btw they’re good at the 3rd round.

    #95744
    Avatar photozn
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    LMU93

    how I view the Rams starting 22 heading into 2019

    Cornerstones:
    Donald
    Goff
    Gurley
    Woods
    Cooks

    Up and Coming:
    Johnson (a shade away from Pro Bowl)
    Kupp
    Littleton
    Havenstein
    Blythe
    Everett/Higbee
    Robey-Coleman

    One More Year:
    Talib
    Whitworth
    Peters
    Brockers

    Free Agents to Re-Sign:
    Saffold

    Free Agents to Let Walk:
    Suh
    Joyner

    Possible Release/Replace:
    * Ebukam (not to release but possibly replace as starter by Okowronkwo or other)
    & Sullivan (possible to either retire or release, though he’d be a good 6th man on the OL)
    * Barron (likely released)

    Notes:

    To me breaking it down like this just reinforces that their 2019 offseason is all about defense and offensive line. On defense primarily the front seven where they will be looking to replace/upgrade Suh, Westbrooks, Easley, maybe Smart, Barron, Wilson, and probably Hager. Edge rushing is their biggest deficiency. Okowronkwo and Kiser should play bigger roles but how much? Does Fowler return? Can Franklin-Myers go to the next level?

    I can see them going after a safety in free agency, CB Chris Harris of the broncos talked about “checking in” with Wade this offseason. Possible addition? Otherwise maybe it’s just an upgrade at the 4th CB spot for now.

    Johnson and Kupp are right there and will be free agency priorities come 2020.

    Granted, Everett’s rise in production has coincided with Kupp’s injury. But he’s played well overall the past 7 games.

    He and Higbee are finding their roles better. After not being targeted at all in week 1 the two TEs have 56 catches on 82 targets (68%) for 576 yards and 5 TDs since. Not huge production but solid contributions. I’d like to see them combined for 6-8 catches in the finale vs. SF.

    #95745
    Avatar photozn
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    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    Rams GM Les Snead and his scouting staff continue to chip away at their draft board. Here’s who they might select with their seven picks in April, starting with a replacement for Ndamukong Suh.

    The #Rams hope to add a Day One starter with their first round pick next April. Could immediate help be coming on the defensive line?

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    Rams Mock Draft: There’s so much work ahead, but it is never too early to project

    Vincent Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/735208/2018/12/26/rams-mock-draft-theres-so-much-work-ahead-but-it-is-never-too-early-to-project/

    The​ Rams still aren’t​ sure who they’ll​ play​ in the​ first​ round of​ the​ playoffs,​ let​ alone whether they’ll​ skip the​​ Wild Card round by earning a free pass through the first week, so you can probably imagine where they are in the process of finalizing their 2019 draft plans.
    Put it this way, we haven’t even gotten to the main course of the college football bowl season, so there is still an incredible amount of scouting, background checking, analyzing and assessing to do before anyone can truly say they’ve got a handle on next April’s draft.
    And that doesn’t even account for the self-scouting they’ll do of their current roster to decide what their most pressing needs might be.
    (Hint: The Rams will be looking for defensive help, specifically on the defensive line, edge pass rusher, linebacker and safety and there is always room for young cornerbacks and offensive linemen to groom. Granted, some of those areas will be filled through free agency, which precedes the draft by a month, but for every hole that gets filled another is liable to be created.)
    Keep in mind, safety Lamarcus Joyner, defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh and outside linebacker Dante Fowler Jr. are all unrestricted free agents at the end of the season, and how their situations unfold will go a long way in determining where the Rams zero in come April.
    That said, while most hands are on deck as the Rams prepare to mount a postseason march they hope reaches Super Bowl LIII in Atlanta, an incredible amount of resources and staff hours are being devoted to a future that extends well beyond this season.
    Specifically, maximizing the seven picks they expect to have when the draft unfolds in Nashville in four months.
    As we sit today, general manager Les Snead and his scouting staff continue to chip away at their draft board. They’ll typically assemble a 150-player big board and, considering the pace of these things, are likely nearing the halfway point of that process.
    But there are still a ton of data banks left to tap into as they tweak and tinker and adjust that board over the next few months, including the Jan. 15 deadline for college juniors to decide whether they are declaring for the draft or returning for their senior years. The official infusion of those juniors to the current crop of prospects will certainly change draft boards across the NFL.
    Beyond that are big-time scouting events at the East-West Shrine game on Jan. 19 in St. Petersberg, Fla., which features more than 100 FBS Division I players, and the Senior Bowl a week later in Mobile Alabama.
    The NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis takes place in late February, at which more than 300 prospects will be poked, prodded and tested at Lucas Oil Stadium and teams can visit individually with a maximum of 60 players. That sets the stage for the additional private workouts teams will invite players to go through to at their team facilities, on top of college Pro Day workouts respective colleges put together for their draft prospects.
    Needless to say, there is still a vast amount of work to be done as the Rams set their draft board and identify their needs and role play every imaginable scenario that might play out in the hours and minutes and seconds leading up to their picks.
    Four months from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell identifying the Rams top pick at the end of the first round, we’ve put together a blueprint of what we might actually see unfold for them over the course of those three days in Nashville.
    The Rams currently hold four picks, with their second-round pick being dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs last March for Marcus Peters and their third-round pick going to Jacksonville at the trade deadline for outside linebacker Dante Fowler Jr.
    However, the club will get compensatory picks for losing Trumaine Johnson, Sammy Watkins, Derek Carrier and possible Cody Davis in free agency. The Rams remain hopeful that will mean two third-round picks for Johnson and Peters and either a sixth or seventh-round pick for Carrier.
    Let’s assume it’s two thirds and a seventh rounder. That means they’ll have a pick — or two — in every round but the second and seven picks total.
    This is how we see them proceeding if that remains the case:
    1. Jerry Tillery, DT, ND
    The Rams simply have not gotten the production they had hoped for from Suh when they signed him as a free agent last offseason. Whether it’s a scheme issue, a position situation or just the natural erosion due to age, Suh has not been as productive as the Rams expected. And with Aaron Donald hitting his peak years, it’s vital they add a viable, productive complimentary piece next to him that teams must account for and can also take advantage of all the attention Donald gets. The 6-foot-7, 305-pound Tillery has played inside during his four-year career at Notre Dame and could be a Day One starter for the Rams either as a replacement for Suh at noseguard or sliding over to end playing between a tackle and guard. He’s got the power and quickness to excel inside or outside, where his length, speed and pass rush ability can shine.
    3. Jaylon Ferguson, OLB, Louisiana Tech
    While Fowler has added the dynamic of speed off the edge since his arrival at the trade deadline, he’s an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, leaving his long-range status in Los Angeles uncertain. Fellow outside linebacker Sampson Ebukam is a first-year starter, and his production reflects his inexperience and how raw he was coming out of Eastern Washington two years ago. Collectively, the Rams have not gotten the push they hoped for off the edge, a component vital to Wade Phillips’ 3-4 defense and one they will certainly be looking for in free agency and the draft. The Rams do have rookie Ogbonnia Okoronkwo on the roster, and the redshirt year he’s essentially taken since breaking his foot in OTA’s should not be taken as a negative on his potential. The Rams remain eager to find out what they have in the Oklahoma edge rusher, especially with a full offseason and training camp under his belt. For that matter, the learning curve for Ebukam was expected, and the Rams still have big hopes for him. That said, grabbing a young pass rusher in the draft is of utmost importance, and if one of the higher rated prospects fall to them at the end of the first round it would shock no one if they went in that direction with their first pick. Either way, Ferguson represents value in the third round as his speed and explosiveness and body type make him a potential fit in the Rams 3-4 scheme.
    3. Vosean Joseph, ILB, Florida
    Cory Littleton has enjoyed a solid season in his first year as a starting inside linebacker and figures prominently in the Rams plans. But he heads into the 2019 offseason as a restricted free agent, so nothing is guaranteed. Fellow ILB Mark Barron has two years left on his contract but, considering his injury issues and underwhelming production compared to what he’s paid, he’s a potential salary cap casualty. The Rams will be looking for upgrades inside regardless, and Joseph offers an intriguing skill set as an active, instinctual run stopper who can see and play through blocks and, despite is smaller stature, packs a major punch when he meets up with ballcarriers. He also has the necessary athletic ability to develop into at least an average pass defender.
    4. Iman Marshall, CB, USC
    The Rams are set at cornerback next year with Aqib Talib and Peters expected back, and valuable slot corner Nickell Robey-Coleman under contract through 2020. But that peace of mind has an expiration date as Peters and Talib are scheduled to hit unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season. Marshall represents great value at this point in the draft as a rookie role player with the potential to develop into a starter later in his career. Marshall had his struggles at USC but flashed enough playmaking ability and skill to make a case some of his issues can be eliminated with better coaching.
    5. Mike Edwards, S, Kentucky
    With Lamarcus Joyner’s status uncertain with his pending free agency, the Rams have a definite need to develop a young safety alongside John Johnson, who has developed into a Pro Bowl caliber player in just his second year. Edwards is a sound, productive and tenacious tackler and continues to improve in pass coverage.
    6. Drew Sample, TE, Washington
    Gerald Everett and Tyler Higbee have been more involved in the offense as the season has unfolded, and Everett is a player to keep an eye on moving forward as a big-time target for Jared Goff. Higbee has settled in as a productive blocker and, when called upon this year, more reliable in the pass game. But the Rams will be on the lookout for another tight end they can groom and Sample is a young player whose best football is in front of him.
    7. Lanard Bonner, OT, Arkansas State
    The Rams are always on the lookout for developmental offensive linemen and Bonner, who has played both tackles during his college career, could have the versatility to move to a guard spot.

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