Cosby

If he admitted it he knew it could be proven or worse.

Depends on the Civil action. His admission may have no relevance at all with the claims so at the time he may have believed his honesty was no harm no foul. However now…

But to give a decent answer one needs a copy of the deposition so as to view the context.

wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

If he admitted it he knew it could be proven or worse.

But think about it — it could never really be proven.

He could have said, She asked for the qualude cause she was
anxious or whatever.
Or, he could have said he kept the ludes in case someone
needed them. Or he could have said a gazillion things
to explain why he obtained the drug — just doesnt make
any sense to me that he would admit to that. I dont
see how it could have ever been proven months after
the fact.

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Maybe he had an accomplice.

Was just talking about this with my son (he’s 23).

How does one process arguably the greatest comedy album of all time and the foundation for many of the greatest comedians of today (the storytellers as opposed to the joke tellers that came from the vaudeville tradition) with what we know about Cosby now?

Bill Cosby: Himself is arguably the greatest comedy album and comedy concert of all time. And I include Richard Pryor’s Live on the Sunset Strip on that list.

Pryor was good. Amazing, but Cosby at that time was the greatest ever. And if none of this had happened, I have no doubt that he’d have to be on the Mt. Rushmore of comedians.

Now? I dunno. How do we process this now?

Do we deal with it like the Hall of Fame? I mean, we haven’t yanked Ty Cobb out and he was a horrible human being in a lot of ways, and I mean horrible.

I’m really just asking the question because I don’t have an answer… and I don’t presume that there is any one answer. It may just be different for each person.

wv wrote:

The documents, dating back to 2005, stem from a civil lawsuit filed by Andrea Constand — one of the dozens of women who have publicly accused the comedian of sexual assault.

Yeah-I just read that today in the paper. The only explanation I can come up with is that an intent to sexually assault a victim is not the same as actually assaulting her. So if there was no proof of the actual assault then in his lawyer’s mind why lie about the purchase? Obviously neither the lawyer nor Cosby had any idea of what might be coming 10 years later.

Zooey wrote:

I can’t wrap my head around the act itself. I mean…I just can’t imagine thinking that drugging someone to make her unable to resist sex is a good idea. It is just not something I can conceive of doing. First of all, the sheer demeaning violence of the thing stuns me, but I also can’t see how it would even be satisfying to have sex with someone who is passed out. I couldn’t bring myself to do it even if we were headed that direction and she was consensual, and totally passed out all by herself with booze, or something. Even if she was my girlfriend. I just can’t wrap my head around it at all.

And I would have thought that sex would come pretty easily for a celebrity anyway. So I don’t understand that part of it, either.

Lots of different things turn on lots of different people. This was Cosby’s thing, according to nearly 50 women, so far. One woman who willingly had sex with him said that Cosby drugged her for the sole purpose of raping her while she was passed out. That’s insightful: He did it because it was a turn-on. His thing is raping a defenseless woman. And, he became best friends with Hugh Hefner, so he could go from Playboy Bunny club to club and take advantage of these women who had no chance of winning a he said, she said battle … and in fact were told not to even try to go after Hef’s best bud. He was also on Temple University’s board, and had access to young college women in that role. He had lots of ways of getting to women, and he used his clout to introduce himself to them, get them in a situation where he could drug them and rape them, and then knew he could get away with denying it.

He’s the worst kind of creep. He probably said what he did in that deposition because he was sure he could get away with it, and he did. His lawyer stopped him from saying anymore.

the only thing i can think of is that when bill was asked if he gave them the ludes unknowingly, his lawyer stepped in and told him not to answer the question. so there is no way of proving that he drugged them without their consent?

waterfield wrote:

I don’t know-maybe in some weird selective morality thing he genuinely does not believe in lying. As far as I know when this stuff all began coming out instead of denying it he was silent thus highlighting his culpability.

Or he thought any lie would be transparent since he had no demonstrable need for the drug as medication.

wv wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

and mind you this is back in the 70s. nowadays. lawyer probably advises him to fess up to nothing.

Well forget the lawyers — why in the world would HE admit to something like that? He didnt have to. Makes zero sense to me.
None. He could have easily lied or made up a story or fudged it in a gazillion ways.

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arrogance? narcissism? not really sure.

this dude was a nutcase. i read somewhere that in a settlement with one of the victims, he only agreed to pay the woman if she graduated from college and maintained a 3.0 gpa…

???

you rape someone and then tell that person she needs to prove to you that she deserves that money???

• This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by InvaderRam.

Mackeyser wrote:

Do we deal with it like the Hall of Fame? I mean, we haven’t yanked Ty Cobb out and he was a horrible human being in a lot of ways, and I mean horrible.

I’m really just asking the question because I don’t have an answer… and I don’t presume that there is any one answer. It may just be different for each person.

I wouldn’t compare Ty Cobb to a cold calculating serial rapist spanning decades.

Mackeyser wrote:

Was just talking about this with my son (he’s 23).

How does one process arguably the greatest comedy album of all time and the foundation for many of the greatest comedians of today (the storytellers as opposed to the joke tellers that came from the vaudeville tradition) with what we know about Cosby now?

Bill Cosby: Himself is arguably the greatest comedy album and comedy concert of all time. And I include Richard Pryor’s Live on the Sunset Strip on that list.

Pryor was good. Amazing, but Cosby at that time was the greatest ever. And if none of this had happened, I have no doubt that he’d have to be on the Mt. Rushmore of comedians.

Now? I dunno. How do we process this now?

Do we deal with it like the Hall of Fame? I mean, we haven’t yanked Ty Cobb out and he was a horrible human being in a lot of ways, and I mean horrible.

I’m really just asking the question because I don’t have an answer… and I don’t presume that there is any one answer. It may just be different for each person.

Pretty easy for me to process it, because I never really was a fan of his comedy. I’m probably in the minority; but truthfully, I never thought he was funny. Just never did it for me.

I can’t say that Cosby was ever much on my radar.

I didn’t watch “The Cosby Show”, never really heard any of his comedy albums, or even watched “I Spy”. If I saw him it may have been on a talk show or of course his commercials.

People tend to think they “know” celebrities.

It’s hard enough to really know your friends sometimes.

A lot of show biz types–particularly comedians, have issues. At least it seems that way to me.

I think the fetish point is a good one. Cosby clearly could have had a lot of women without the drugs. It was less about sex and more about something else, or so it would seem.

Sounds like Mrs. Cosby is quite the enabler.