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  • November 10, 2016 at 12:35 pm #57502
    waterfield
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    I tend not to invest in what comedians say about politics but what he said in part Tuesday night struck home w/ me.

    “This is a moment for people to understand that political involvement is a
    responsibility. It’s not just words on paper. You can opt out of voting
    but you cannot opt out of the effects of your lack of action. It’s important
    to not lose heart.”

    Personally, I don’t think we are now somehow “done”. I choose to view this as the
    last bullet in the rural white man’s six shooter to defend against the country’s changing and darker complexion and a pie in the sky hope to somehow change our evolving culture.

    November 10, 2016 at 1:17 pm #57510
    bnw
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    Everything is racism with liberals. It gets old. Tour flyover country (that big wide very red part of the general election map) and get a real perspective.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    November 10, 2016 at 1:36 pm #57515
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    waterfield wrote:

    I tend not to invest in what comedians say about politics but what he said in part Tuesday night struck home w/ me.

    “This is a moment for people to understand that political involvement is a
    responsibility. It’s not just words on paper. You can opt out of voting
    but you cannot opt out of the effects of your lack of action. It’s important
    to not lose heart.”

    Personally, I don’t think we are now somehow “done”. I choose to view this as the
    last bullet in the rural white man’s six shooter to defend against the country’s changing and darker complexion and a pie in the sky hope to somehow change our evolving culture.

    Waterfield,

    It’s also the result of a highly successful campaign by the super-rich to scapegoat people of color. It’s worked. Far too many white people blame those people of color for supposedly stealing their jobs and lowering their wages, and Trump exploited this already existing belief effectively. The cultural aspects of seeing one’s unquestioned status as top dog slip away is another factor. It’s an extension of what we saw in the Jim Crow South among poor and middle class whites. They once could always look at black people and think or say out loud, “Well, at least I’m not them.”

    Bottom line: Instead of looking up at the people really screwing them — billionaires like Trump, corporate America, and both of the major parties working for those financial elites — they just blame people of color and one half of the duopoly. They’ve been fed so much bullshit propaganda, they can’t see straight, and they’re so filled with paranoia, they refuse to hear otherwise.

    Both parties have failed these people and the rest of us. But they both work for the super-rich, with few exceptions, and too many people on the right are oblivious of this fact. Instead, they think their enemies are unions, public sector workers, feminists, environmentalists, leftists, liberals and people of color — here and overseas. They have their skepticism and paranoia meters preset to register only one small part of the whole, while turning it off entirely for the super-rich and their fellow right-wingers in general.

    In short, they’ve been bamboozled.

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    November 10, 2016 at 1:54 pm #57521
    PA Ram
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    Bottom line: Instead of looking up at the people really screwing them — billionaires like Trump, corporate America, and both of the major parties working for those financial elites — they just blame people of color and one half of the duopoly. They’ve been fed so much bullshit propaganda, they can’t see straight, and they’re so filled with paranoia, they refuse to hear otherwise.

    I always say that about people. they always look below them to identify the problems–seldom above.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    November 11, 2016 at 12:16 pm #57736
    waterfield
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    Billy: Here’s an interesting piece from George Skelton in today’s L.A.Times you might “enjoy” -if that’s the right word today.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-election-post-mortem-20161110-story.html

    November 11, 2016 at 1:01 pm #57748
    — X —
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    waterfield wrote:

    Personally, I don’t think we are now somehow “done”. I choose to view this as the
    last bullet in the rural white man’s six shooter to defend against the country’s changing and darker complexion and a pie in the sky hope to somehow change our evolving culture.

    Pshh.

    I don’t presume to know why most people voted the way they did. I can only speak for myself. I want my children (and grandchild) to be safe. I don’t care if Swedes were streaming across the board in record numbers. If they were coming in illegally, bringing scores of illegal drugs, taking jobs, and draining the economy, then my aversion to that would make me a race traitor, I guess. I also want the Fed audited. I want a strong military force capable of dissuading hostile actors from threatening my Country. I want a different approach to trade that *may* achieve a balance in an otherwise lopsided trade deficit. But I also want legalized marijuana (recreational). I want religious tolerance. I want the gubmint to stop making a profit on student loans. I want to invest in renewable energy, but I also want to tap into our own vast resources to bridge the gap between foreign oil dependence and energy independence. So no candidate was perfect for me. There were only two options, and one of them was an absolute non-option.

    You have to be odd, to be number one.
    -- Dr Seuss

    November 11, 2016 at 2:12 pm #57757
    waterfield
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    Oh I’m sure there are plenty of Trump voters who looked at the issues you listed and believed as you do. I do not doubt that one minute. But I also believe a huge population of rural older white males who fall right into the category I described. As far as “presuming to know how people vote” I plead guilty to that with one caveat-its my “opinion” .

    November 11, 2016 at 2:16 pm #57759
    Avatar photowv
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    I read somewhere that Hillary got Six Million fewer votes than Obama did.

    And i also read that Trump got about the same amount of votes as whathisname got last time.

    Is either or both of those true? The second one would surprise me. The first would not.

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    November 12, 2016 at 12:21 pm #57929
    NewMexicoRam
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    wv wrote:

    I read somewhere that Hillary got Six Million fewer votes than Obama did.

    And i also read that Trump got about the same amount of votes as whathisname got last time.

    Is either or both of those true? The second one would surprise me. The first would not.

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    I saw articles describing both as true, WV. It looks like both sides were rejecting establishment types this year.

    November 12, 2016 at 12:25 pm #57930
    NewMexicoRam
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    waterfield wrote:

    Oh I’m sure there are plenty of Trump voters who looked at the issues you listed and believed as you do. I do not doubt that one minute. But I also believe a huge population of rural older white males who fall right into the category I described. As far as “presuming to know how people vote” I plead guilty to that with one caveat-its my “opinion” .

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    I wish everyone would get beyond the stereotypes like “whites vote like bigots” and “blacks want their food stamps so they vote Dem greater than 90%.” Just to point out, I’m not quoting you or anyone else, just emphasizing the viewpoints.

    It happens that way. Both sides do that yet. But I hope we, as a nation, on both sides, will continue to make progress.

    November 12, 2016 at 2:47 pm #57956
    Avatar photozn
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    NewMexicoRam wrote:

    It happens that way. Both sides do that yet. But I hope we, as a nation, on both sides, will continue to make progress.

    Just butting in with a quick one-liner. One of the key things the majority in this posting community share is that we don’t think there are 2 sides. It’s more than 2.

    If by 2 sides you mean reps and dems, most of us are neither. Not just the ordinary mainstream idea of “independent,” either. We speak from a place the mainstream doesn’t seem to know exists–we’re to the left of dems.

    So here, there at least three sides, if not more.

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    November 12, 2016 at 3:27 pm #57958
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yes. many many different sides.

    November 12, 2016 at 4:02 pm #57964
    Avatar photowv
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    yes. many many different sides.

    ———–

    You dont get into long hostile fights with politically-different-posters, Invader.

    Care to share your approach? Or your purpose in posting pol-thots?

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    November 12, 2016 at 4:30 pm #57971
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    wv wrote:
    InvaderRam wrote:

    yes. many many different sides.

    ———–

    You dont get into long hostile fights with politically-different-posters, Invader.

    Care to share your approach? Or your purpose in posting pol-thots?

    w
    v

    my approach. i just try to go in with an open mind. i think the reasons everyone here is upset actually overlap in some places. and there are wide chasms in others. i guess i am not willing to stubbornly cling to my own ideas. more just curious as to why people believe what they believe? i guess ultimately. on a philosophical level we’re all just completely lost. we have our own belief systems. we have our own experiences that have shaped us, and i just sit here in wonderment at all the different opinions being put out here on this board. cuz i believe everyone here is decent (or at least decent as a human can be). i believe that on some level all the pain here and frustration is born out of caring. even if that can often be misguided.

    and even if it does come from a place of hate. for some reason i’m ok with that too.

    don’t ask me why. i don’t know. i can’t really explain it, and maybe it doesn’t even make any sense. maybe it’s cuz in the end i think that none of this even means anything.

    i do know that people in general are hurting on both sides. just want to see where all that hurt is coming from. on both sides.

    November 12, 2016 at 4:32 pm #57973
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    or i should say rather on ALL sides.

    ha!

    November 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm #57974
    Avatar photowv
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    InvaderRam wrote:
    wv wrote:
    InvaderRam wrote:

    yes. many many different sides.

    ———–

    You dont get into long hostile fights with politically-different-posters, Invader.

    Care to share your approach? Or your purpose in posting pol-thots?

    w
    v

    my approach. i just try to go in with an open mind. i think the reasons everyone here is upset actually overlap in some places. and there are wide chasms in others. i guess i am not willing to stubbornly cling to my own ideas. more just curious as to why people believe what they believe? i guess ultimately. on a philosophical level we’re all just completely lost. we have our own belief systems. we have our own experiences that have shaped us, and i just sit here in wonderment at all the different opinions being put out here on this board. cuz i believe everyone here is decent (or at least decent as a human can be). i believe that on some level all the pain here and frustration is born out of caring. even if that can often be misguided.

    and even if it does come from a place of hate. for some reason i’m ok with that too.

    don’t ask me why. i don’t know. i can’t really explain it, and maybe it doesn’t even make any sense. maybe it’s cuz in the end i think that none of this even means anything.

    i do know that people in general are hurting on both sides. just want to see where all that hurt is coming from. on both sides.

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    Interesting thoughts, Invader. I will mull them over.

    Btw you said everyone on the board is ‘a decent human being’ — you are not including Zooey in that are you?

    w
    v

    November 12, 2016 at 4:42 pm #57977
    Avatar photowv
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    Something for NMR, bnw, and X

    link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/newsweek-recalls-125000-copies-of-its-souvenir-madam-president-i/

    🙂
    w
    v

    November 12, 2016 at 5:01 pm #57980
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    wv wrote:

    Interesting thoughts, Invader. I will mull them over.

    Btw you said everyone on the board is ‘a decent human being’ — you are not including Zooey in that are you?

    w
    v

    haha. except for zooey. he is pure evil. his heart is dark and cold.

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