Clinton's concession speech.

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

can i say winter is coming?

That’s clearly photoshopped.
The hands on that guy are yuge.

Billy_T wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

The silver lining is that…hopefully…the progressives who are mad as hell and motivated with Bernie’s run (and many kept at it through the election) will take the mantle and keep fighting and can now do so without the DNC cockblocking them.

Cuz…fuck the corporate sellout DNC. They’ve been slamming progressives…even co-opting the progressive moniker while taking on virtually no actual progressive positions…even engaging in slimy character assassination that would make Karl Rove proud…all so that they could keep those corporate bucks rolling in.

Margin call, bitches.

Now is the time to get to do the REAL, Progressive work and hopefully not have to deal with any more DNC, centrist interference.

In my view, it’s past time for progressives, too. They’re better than centrists, who are in turn better than wingnuts. But we need stronger medicine than progressivism, and that needs to come from the anticapitalist, radical egalitarian left.

Our only real hope to achieve social justice is to shit-can the current economic system entirely, IMO. It’s also the only way we’re going to be able to save this planet for wildlife and ourselves.

ya know. my guess is humans will eventually just make their way off this planet and infect the entire galaxy.

i like your thinking, but we’re too primitive a species to be able to do that.

robots on the other hand…

InvaderRam wrote:

ya know. my guess is humans will eventually just make their way off this planet and infect the entire galaxy.

i like your thinking, but we’re too primitive a species to be able to do that.

robots on the other hand…

Unfortunately invader, humans will be extinct long before we have that capability. There’s no place to go. There’s no lifeboat. Our only option is saving this planet. We do that or we die.

nittany ram wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

ya know. my guess is humans will eventually just make their way off this planet and infect the entire galaxy.

i like your thinking, but we’re too primitive a species to be able to do that.

robots on the other hand…

Unfortunately invader, humans will be extinct long before we have that capability. There’s no place to go. There’s no lifeboat. Our only option is saving this planet. We do that or we die.

unfortunately?

or maybe just fortunate enough?

haha!

robots it is then.

All right. Now I am all caught up. What a great thread. I really enjoyed all the perspectives here, except one little comment by bnw who said “PC is dead” which is wishful thinking, and totally wrong. Trump’s victory didn’t make PC go away any more than a Hillary victory would have made Trump supporters go away. FWIW, PC won’t stop, and will inevitably win as the country becomes less white.

In fact, this is it. This is the grand finale of “White America,” right here, right now. This is Brett Favre in a Vikings uniform. I don’t say that because I think I’m “right” and “my way” will ultimately prevail with reasonable people everywhere. I say it because demographically, Trump supporters are dying in larger numbers than they are reproducing, and whites in this country will no longer be a majority very soon.

Anyway.

I love Mackeyser, and I’m With Her (er… Him) on his assessment of Hillary Clinton and the way she and the DNC ran this election. I have not watched her speech, and do not give one shit about how well she delivered whatever somebody else wrote, or anything else about it. Fuck Hillary Clinton.

I swear to god, the only thing that could have elevated my spirits last night or this morning would have been video of her face as the results came in last night. Seriously, as awful, and agonizing, and depressing as the past 24 hours have been for me, the ONLY thing that gives me the slightest reprieve right now is knowing that she, and her husband, and Deborah Wassherface Schulz and Donna Brazile are completely vaporized and irrelevant for the rest of eternity.

We are now in for some very serious nastiness in this country while the Reps who ran from Donald now suddenly rush back into the picture denying that they were ever gone, and rush headlong into destroying every social advance made since leeches were high tech medicine.

I am hearing that the 2018 elections line up favorably for Republicans because of the seats open are mostly Dem, but at least the DNC should be up for grabs, and the progressives have the momentum there. So let’s go.

I think it’s too late. I think we are dead. And I think Mack should move to Gold Country in California where we will shortly be owners of beach front property, but I don’t intend to stop pushing for what I believe in.

http://www.yescalifornia.org/

Hillaryfan4life said:

I think it’s too late. I think we are dead. And I think Mack should move to Gold Country in California where we will shortly be owners of beach front property, but I don’t intend to stop pushing for what I believe in.

Yeah, we’re rapidly approaching the falls. The final outcome has pretty much already been decided. The only question left is how soon do we get there. I’ll continue to paddle against the current but it’s important to look up and appreciate the view every now and then. It’s very easy to get consumed by this stuff. It gets me very angry. I know I come off as some arrogant inflexible left-wing asshole to a lot of people (not here. I know I am beloved here 😉 ). I have lost friends over this and I’ll probably lose some more. It hurts but I can’t help myself. It’s that important to me. But in reality we have very little control over these events and those to come so it’s important to maintain some perspective and remember to focus on the good things in our lives.

Billy_T wrote:

bnw,

Heard Chris Christie last night admit — and he’s not the only person from Trump’s circle to do this — they didn’t think they were ahead going into the race either. Their own internal polling had them behind. He said their polling did have them a point or two better than the public polls. But still behind.

It’s a mistake to view the polling as some kind of conspiracy against Trump. Remember, it also includes right-wing polling like Fox News and Rasmussen. They had Clinton winning going in, and at times in this race, up by double digits. It’s also quite possible that a commanding lead, even a steady one, provokes apathy and drives down voter participation. That helps Trump.

(Overall voting was down from 2012. As of this morning, seven million fewer Dems showed up, apparently. I didn’t catch the most recent totals for Trump, yet, but since he lost the popular vote, and he doesn’t even have as many as Romney’s losing total, it’s likely GOP turnout was down, too.)

Very few people, across the political spectrum, predicted a Trump victory. This guy was one of them:

http://www.american.edu/cas/faculty/lichtman.cfm

Whenever I looked into the methodology of polls that showed Hildabeast so far ahead I always noticed an absurd oversampling of democrat voters. That and the fact that she couldn’t draw any crowds on her own once she got the nomination while Trump filled every venue everywhere in this nation to overflowing for a year and a half, and as I posted months ago that when I traveled I only saw Trump signs everywhere and many of those signs were home made. When I talked to people or listened to what was said around me it was overwhelmingly pro Trump. It boiled down to people were angry that change promised was never delivered but real change they still want. Change. Systemic change. That would never be Hildabeast. It could only be Trump. Thats why I never believed the polls that said he was behind.

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Al Jazeera
link:http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/11/refuse-accept-election-results-161110093108400.html

The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do, writes Dabashi [EPA]
By
Hamid Dabashi

@HamidDabashi

Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University.

William Faulkner, in his Banquet Speech at the City Hall in Stockholm, on December 10, 1950, on receiving the Nobel Prize in literature said: “Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up?”

What in the world did he mean? “Blown up” by what? How?

If you lived through the endless night linking the fears of Tuesday evening of November 8 to the terror of the following Wednesday morning wondering how to explain Donald Trump’s victory to your children, you have a glimpse of what frightened Faulkner so many years ago so far from his homeland. But can we still ask serious, even frightening, questions, as Faulkner did, any more?

“Does America deserve to survive,” Faulkner asked in 1955 at the news of a vicious murder and mutilation of a young black boy.

Just before this nightmare descended upon us I read that a European philosopher had said that if he were an American he would have voted for Trump. “It will be a kind of big awakening,” he had said, “new political processes will be set in motion.”

Perhaps, I thought to myself, but this man for sure does not live in the United States. He does not have a child who goes to public school in New York. He has not struggled to calm the raw nerves of an eight-year-old boy who is scared all his Mexican friends will be rounded up and deported from the US.
The angry liberals
What will a Trump presidency mean for the US?

So where would we stand between the gaudy and juvenile Stalinism of what today passes as “the European left” and the delusional liberalism now publicly stunned by Trump’s victory in the US?

Liberal America is right now flabbergasted, incredulous, violent, recriminatory. It now openly fears that it might be ruled as Chile was ruled by Augusto Pinochet, Iran by the Shah and the Ayatollahs, Egypt by Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Russia by Vladimir Putin, Turkey by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Palestine by Benjamin Netanyahu. How dare history to even think to do to liberal America what liberal America has done to the world?

Recrimination, finger-wagging, and continuing to be deaf and blind to reason and logic have resumed apace among these angry liberals.

Diehard Clinton supporters are accusing those who as a matter of principle opposed her record of corruption and warmongering of having paved the way for Trump.

Many Bernie Sanders supporters, myself included, made a strategic choice not to vote for Clinton if we live in safe states like New York, where I live, and where she won, and vote for her in swing states such as Florida or Ohio, which they did and yet she still lost.

We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

Liberal America refuses to recognise its dangerously delusional blinkers. The anger and violence they wanted safely deposited in Clinton’s White House to unleash on other countries is now launched on Sanders’ and Stein’s supporters who they falsely and conveniently blame for having denied them that treacherous peace of mind.

Their beloved Barack Obama gifted the Zionist settler colony $38bn in military expenditure over the next 10 years in a lovely liberal gesture to maim and murder more Palestinians, as would have Clinton in even more generous terms, were she to be elected.

OPINION: Why I will not vote in this US presidential election

That they don’t mind. But having Trump preside over their national destiny, that they will not tolerate.

The vulgarity of such accusations, however, is a diversionary tactic, consciously or unconsciously launched to pre-empt a far deeper soul-searching now necessary to hold and heal the soul of this nation.

Sanders and his supporters had been continuously warning against this outcome for months, when Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile, and the entire leadership of the Democratic Party came together to dismantle and sabotage his campaign, and send a deeply flawed candidate to face the monstrosity of Trump.
Bringing the US in the fold of humanity

But such recriminations, left or right, are at this point a waste of time and a distraction. Soul-searching yes, witch-hunt no.

There should be rethinking of the politics of race and gender, but not at the expense of suspending critical judgment on the global warmongering which Obama inherited from George W Bush and institutionalised chapter and verse, and which Clinton would have widely exacerbated.

There is no mystery to this result of choosing Trump over Clinton: This is almost the same population that over the past eight years twice elected an African-American to the White House.
US election: How Muslim Americans are dealing with Trump’s victory

What happened this year? In its jeremiad mourning for its favourite candidate even The New York Times had to admit what happened: “Democratic Party … attempted a Clinton restoration at a moment when the nation was impatient to escape the status quo.”

Sanders was the ready and riding answer to that historic call. But what did the Democratic establishment, The New York Times and Washington Post included, do to Sanders?

Trump is rightly seen as “a twisted caricature of every rotten reflex of the radical right”. But to fight this banality, we need to go far beyond useless recriminations and reach much deeper into the troubled heart of America itself: a racist, misogynist, ignorant, paranoid, xenophobic, white supremacist America. No liberal sugar-coating of these facts will wish them away.

OPINION: Donald Trump – The Islamophobia president

Faulkner thought “the basest of all things is to be afraid”. Then he daringly, defiantly and triumphantly declared: “I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail.”

But how is that prevailing to occur? First and foremost, by collapsing the false binary between the safe inside and the troubled outside. The US militarism has just gone through two successive phases of two terms of Bush’s neoconservative and Obama’s neoliberal imperialism. It has left the earth in shattered chards.

The US will now need its most recent immigrants more than ever to help it learn how to survive this Trumpian calamity. We have been there: at the receiving end of the US-made Donald Trumps of the world.

We the tyrannised, we the abused, the dispossessed, the forsaken, we in need of US “humanitarian interventions”, we the refugees of wars US liberal imperialism has caused around the world, we the Palestinians, the Libyans, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Latin Americans, the Africans, we are all here: Trump’s worse nightmare and battle-tested in fighting the bullies of the world.

We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

Along with millions of other Americans, we the most recent immigrants are now safely home at the dangerous delusions of an angry mob of white supremacist zombies shielding its wild fantasies behind democratic politics.

The comfort zone of liberal fantasies of peace at home and warmongering abroad is now completely erased.

The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do: to bring Americans back to the fold of humanity – with fear and trembling like everyone else, with insecurity fighting the indignity of an ignorant tyrant, seeking to secure a modicum of self-respect in the bewildered belly of this warring beast.

Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.

The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policies.

— X — wrote:

wv wrote:

He does not have a child who goes to public school in New York. He has not struggled to calm the raw nerves of an eight-year-old boy who is scared all his Mexican friends will be rounded up and deported from the US.

wv wrote:

If you lived through the endless night linking the fears of Tuesday evening of November 8 to the terror of the following Wednesday morning wondering how to explain Donald Trump’s victory to your children

This stuff makes my eyes roll back in my head. Leave your fucking children alone, idiots. Seriously – just stop being drama queens. “Children” have no business being involved in your irrational fears. What elementary school kid is sitting around determining that a new immigration policy is going to spell the deportation of his friends? They don’t pick up on that stuff by themselves. They’re exposed to it deliberately because of your irresponsibility and your ignorance. “Don’t worry, Timmy, daddy will protect you from the big orange man who wants all your friends to die in Mexico.” Asshats. And Sorkin’s letter to his daughters? It would have been literally the funniest thing I have ever read in my life if it wasn’t so offensive that he had to drag his daughters into his personal hell. The fuck is wrong with people anymore?

Excellent post. They are guilty of child abuse.

zn wrote:

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:
can i say winter is coming?

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— X — wrote:

That’s clearly photoshopped.

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Um. Okay. Believe what you want, then. I guess.

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Ok, if Trump is that Game of Thrones winter night king guy,
who is Hillary?

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