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    zn
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    Noam Chomsky: People Who Didn’t Vote For Clinton To Block Trump Made A ‘Bad Mistake’
    “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/noam-chomsky-donald-trump_us_58385d81e4b000af95ee1fda

    Noam Chomsky, the renowned scholar and MIT professor emeritus, said people who didn’t vote for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to block a Donald Trump presidency made a “bad mistake.”

    Chomsky told Al Jazeera’s Mehdi Hasan there’s a “moral issue” in voting “against the greater evil” ― Trump, in this case ― even if you don’t like the other candidate. But he also said there was a factual question regarding this year’s candidates, pointing out Trump and Clinton’s “very different” records.

    “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of,” Chomsky said.

    Chomsky said in January he’d vote for Clinton if he lived in a swing state, despite his support for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who ran against Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary.

    “Every Republican candidate is either a climate change denier or a skeptic who says we can’t do it,” Chomsky said. “What they are saying is, ‘Let’s destroy the world.’ Is that worth voting against? Yeah.”

    Chomsky criticized Trump in May, calling his refusal to accept the science behind climate change “a death knell for the [human] species.” Chomsky has also been critical of the Republican Party, saying the GOP’s policies pose “serious danger to human survival.”

    Chomsky told The Huffington Post in February [zn note: see next article this post], Trump’s success could be attributed to his ability to appeal to “deep feelings of anger, fear, frustration, hopelessness, probably among sectors like those that are seeing an increase in mortality, something unheard of apart from war and catastrophe.”

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    Donald Trump Is Winning Because White America Is Dying
    Noam Chomsky says Trump’s rise is partly due to deeply rooted — and potentially fatal — feelings of fear and anger.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-noam-chomsky-white-mortality_us_56cf8618e4b0bf0dab31838f

    Noam Chomsky, the renowned scholar and MIT professor emeritus, says that the rise of Donald Trump in American politics is, in part, fueled by deeply rooted fear and hopelessness that may be caused by an alarming spike in mortality rates for a generation of poorly educated whites.

    “He’s evidently appealing to deep feelings of anger, fear, frustration, hopelessness, probably among sectors like those that are seeing an increase in mortality, something unheard of apart from war and catastrophe,” Chomsky told The Huffington Post in an interview on Thursday.

    Trump’s rise as the Republican presidential front-runner has been confounding for Americans across the political spectrum. The bombastic, billionaire demagogue has won three of the first four primary states and holds a lead in the polls, both nationwide and in upcoming primary contests. He now appears poised to take an insurmountable delegate lead over the next several weeks, based on a platform of hate and vitriol targeted at women, Latinos, Muslims and other minorities.

    A legion of less educated, working-class white men has fueled Trump’s rise. And while many say the business mogul is capitalizing on their fears about the perceived decline of white dominance in America, Chomsky says there may also be more existential forces at play.

    Life expectancy, in general, has increased steadily over time. And thanks largely to advances in health care, many people around the world live longer lives. There are exceptions, of course — during war or natural catastrophes, for example. But what’s happening now in America, he says, is “quite different.”

    Despite vast wealth and modern medicine, the U.S. has lower average life expectancy than many other nations. And while the average has been increasing recently, the gains are not evenly spread out. Wealthier Americans are living longer lives, while the poor are living shorter ones.

    Poorly educated, middle-aged American white males are particularly affected, multiple recent studies suggest. While Americans from other age, racial and ethnic groups are living longer lives than ever before, this particularly segment of the population is dying faster.

    A study on the issue found that the rising death rate for this group is not due to the ailments that commonly kill so many Americans, like diabetes and heart disease, but rather by an epidemic of suicides, liver disease caused by alcohol abuse, and overdoses of heroin and prescription opioids.

    “No war, no catastrophe,” Chomsky says, has caused the spiking mortality rate for this population. “Just the impact of policies over a generation that have left them, it seems, angry, without hope, frustrated, causing self-destructive behavior.”

    That could well explain Trump’s appeal, he speculated.

    In an interview with Alternet this week, Chomsky compared the poverty that many Americans now face with the conditions an older generation confronted during the Great Depression.

    “It’s interesting to compare the situation in the ‘30s, which I’m old enough to remember,” he said. “Objectively, poverty and suffering were far greater. But even among poor working people and the unemployed, there was a sense of hope that is lacking now.”

    Chomsky attributes some of that Depression-era hope to the growth of an aggressive labor movement and the existence of political organizations outside of the mainstream.

    Today, however, he says the mood is quite different for Americans who are deeply affected by poverty.

    “[They] are sinking into hopelessness, despair and anger — not directed so much against the institutions that are the agents of the dissolution of their lives and world, but against those who are even more harshly victimized,” he said. “Signs are familiar, and here it does evoke some memories of the rise of European fascism.”

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    #63094
    Zooey
    Moderator

    “[They] are sinking into hopelessness, despair and anger — not directed so much against the institutions that are the agents of the dissolution of their lives and world, but against those who are even more harshly victimized,” he said. “Signs are familiar, and here it does evoke some memories of the rise of European fascism.”

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    This is the key difference between Sanders supporters and Trump supporters. In many ways, they were talking about the same disease: wealth disparity, opportunity disparity, and all that comes with that. But Sanders supporters generally identified our institutions as responsible for that disparity, while Trump supporters blame blacks, latinos, muslims, women, PC libruls who give away their “rights” as handouts to others.

    Man, oh, man. As january 20 approaches, I just get sicker and sicker in my stomach. These cabinet appointments…Jesus Christ. And Pence and McConnell and Ryan. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    #63096
    Billy_T
    Participant

    “[They] are sinking into hopelessness, despair and anger — not directed so much against the institutions that are the agents of the dissolution of their lives and world, but against those who are even more harshly victimized,” he said. “Signs are familiar, and here it does evoke some memories of the rise of European fascism.”

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    This is the key difference between Sanders supporters and Trump supporters. In many ways, they were talking about the same disease: wealth disparity, opportunity disparity, and all that comes with that. But Sanders supporters generally identified our institutions as responsible for that disparity, while Trump supporters blame blacks, latinos, muslims, women, PC libruls who give away their “rights” as handouts to others.

    Man, oh, man. As january 20 approaches, I just get sicker and sicker in my stomach. These cabinet appointments…Jesus Christ. And Pence and McConnell and Ryan. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    I think all of that’s true. But I also think Sanders and his supporters take their critique beyond out institutions. They focus on corporate malfeasance as well as governments which allow it. It’s incredibly rare to hear Trump or his supporters ever talk about business culpability. And this is standard right-wing ideology, as you know. It’s never the fault of business, in their minds. It’s only the fault of the government for getting in its way — or in its role as picker of “winners and losers.”

    I think the critique needs to be pushed beyond just business or our institutions. We need to finally have a real discussion about capitalism itself. Because, for far too long, that has been suppressed, and “liberals” have been complicit in that too. Anderson Cooper’s shock and disbelief at the mere thought that Sanders might be questioning capitalism was indicative of this, in my view . . . .

    #63097
    wv
    Participant

    Man, oh, man. As january 20 approaches, I just get sicker and sicker in my stomach. These cabinet appointments…Jesus Christ. And Pence and McConnell and Ryan. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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    Well, zooey we were totally screwed either way. As you know.

    I dont know if Trump will be worse than Hillary, because i dont know what effect the Trump presidency will have four years from now. I also dont agree with noam that every single policy of Trumps is worse than Hillarys. I mean its conceivable to me that Trumps trade deals will be better than Hillarys. I dunno.

    He’s a monster though. No doubt. And his cabinet and supreme court justices and fed judges are gonna be nightmarish.

    But maybe it will shock people into some kind of leftist-resistance. I think you agree that is our one ray of hope.

    …Speaking of Trump tweets andd trump talk…Someone today told me Trump supporters take him seriously, but dont take him literally. And anti-trumpers take him literally but not seriously.

    I dunno if that makes any sense but thats what i heard at the water cooler today.

    #63099
    zn
    Moderator

    I dont know if Trump will be worse than Hillary

    Supreme court, social security, planned parenthood, medicaire, roe v. wade, EPA, climate science, public education, immigration, taxes and income inequality, and so on.

    Of course Trump is worse.

    In my mind it’s not even debatable.

    And name any time in american history where the mainstream public as a whole was shocked into leftist resistance.

    #63121
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I dont know if Trump will be worse than Hillary

    Supreme court, social security, planned parenthood, medicaire, roe v. wade, EPA, climate science, public education, immigration, taxes and income inequality, and so on.

    Of course Trump is worse.

    In my mind it’s not even debatable.

    And name any time in american history where the mainstream public as a whole was shocked into leftist resistance.

    It hasn’t happened since the 1930s. This book talks about how that kind of revolt was much more common in our past, and why. An excellent read. Trails off a bit near the end, as he tries to talk about the present and the future. But the legwork getting to that point is fascinating. As is the contrast between the first and second Gilded Ages, and our reactions to both.

    https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/steve-fraser/the-age-of-acquiescence/9780316185431/

    The Age of Acquiescence
    The Life and Death of American Resistance to Organized Wealth and Power
    by Steve Fraser

    A groundbreaking investigation of how and why, from the 18th century to the present day, American resistance to our ruling elites has vanished.

    From the American Revolution through the Civil Rights movement, Americans have long mobilized against political, social, and economic privilege. Hierarchies based on inheritance, wealth, and political preferment were treated as obnoxious and a threat to democracy. Mass movements envisioned a new world supplanting dog-eat-dog capitalism. But over the last half-century that political will and cultural imagination have vanished. Why?

    THE AGE OF ACQUIESCENCE seeks to solve that mystery. Steve Fraser’s account of national transformation brilliantly examines the rise of American capitalism, the visionary attempts to protect the democratic commonwealth, and the great surrender to today’s delusional fables of freedom and the politics of fear. Effervescent and razorsharp, THE AGE OF ACQUIESCENCE will be one of the most provocative and talked-about books of the year.

    #63138
    wv
    Participant

    So what does the writer say is the reason for the lack of resistance?

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    #63144
    Billy_T
    Participant

    So what does the writer say is the reason for the lack of resistance?

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    I need to reread it to do that justice — his historical work preceding the present kinda makes the case by itself. The reader, in other words, can deduce it really before his summary . . . .

    But, in short, it’s a combination of a long history of suppression of dissent, unions, relative affluence, the promise of capitalist shiny stuff, leading to a kind of nation-wide docility. But the reason the historical stuff is so important is that America wasn’t a capitalist country until after the Civil War. So when the first Gilded Age hit, most Americans still had a memory of how things were before capitalism dominated. They still remembered being their own boss, being an artisan, a small producer, a small farmer, etc. etc. But with the spread of capitalism, Americans got further and further away from knowing what any of that was like. So it got harder and harder for people to believe they could resist how things were. They felt trapped or just assumed there was nothing that can be done about it.

    The genius of capitalism is that it basically destroys its competition, unifies previously independent and autonomous markets under one single roof, and then creates the conditions for “no exit.”

    Kinda like those Sci-Fi films that have the heroes struggling to break free of their world, only to find themselves reaching the “border,” punching a whole through it, and seeing nothing but empty, dark space out there. They just discovered they’ve been inside a traveling starship all this time.

    #63145
    Billy_T
    Participant

    And a lot of stuff was between the lines for me. Deducing from his work without him exactly saying it.

    Like, the way capitalism conditions us to obey. We’re employees, not our own bosses. We’re dependent upon the whims of our employers. And, contrary to the usual refrain from “conservatives,” no, we can’t just quit and go somewhere else, cuz they operate in the same way.

    So we’re groomed for docility and not independence. And we have to buy more and more things in our lives than we ever did before. We make almost none of that now, ourselves, when we once made almost all of it, and the stuff we didn’t make, we got from our neighbors in trade.

    It’s much easier to put down scattered “rebellions” when most people are conditioned to be servants . . . or, conditioned to believe we have no other choice but to work for “the man.”

    Also: the way we’ve specialized work, the way this atomizes us, the way it separates each of us from each other even within the workplace. So much of the stuff we do is isolated from one another, and Joe does this, but not that, and Mary does this, but not that, and Jane does this but not that, etc. etc.

    We’ve got the hyper-specialization of all work going gangbusters, or the dull, monotonous grunt work . . . There’s just not much of a structure for community, communion, working together for the long haul. Capitalism isn’t set up to build strong bonds of commonality. It’s actually set up for us to just shut up and clap louder for the vision of those at the very top, not our own.

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    #63147
    Billy_T
    Participant

    I found this excerpt online from the author. It was on Bill Moyers’ site:
    link: “http://billmoyers.com/content/steve-fraser-age-acquiescence/

    The following excerpt is from the introduction to Steve Fraser’s new book, The Age of Acquiescence.

    Marx once described high finance as “the Vatican of capitalism,” its diktat to be obeyed without question. Several decades have come and gone during which we’ve learned not to mention Marx in polite company. Our vocabulary went through a kind of linguistic cleansing, exiling suspect and nasty phrases like “class warfare” or “the reserve army of labor” or even something as apparently innocuous as “working class.”

    In times past, however, such language and the ideas they conjured up struck our forebears as useful, even sometimes as accurate depictions of reality. They used them regularly along with words and phrases like “plutocracy,” “robber baron,” and “ruling class” to identify the sources of economic exploitation and inequality that oppressed them, as well as to describe the political disenfranchisement they suffered and the subversion of democracy they experienced. Never before, however, has the Vatican of capitalism captured quite so perfectly the specific nature of the oligarchy that recently ran the country for a long generation and ended up running it into the ground. Even political consultant and pundit James Carville (no Marxist he), confessed as much during the Clinton years, when he said the bond market “intimidates everybody.”

    Occupy Wall Street, even bereft of strategy, program, and specific demands as many lamented when it was a newborn, nonetheless opened up space again for our political imagination by confronting this elemental, determining feature of our society’s predicament. It rediscovered something that, beneath thickets of political verbiage about tax this and cut that, about end‑of‑the ­world deficits and ­missionary-​minded “job creators,” had been hiding in plain sight: namely, what our ancestors once called “the street of torments.” It achieved a giant leap backward, so to speak, summoning up a history of opposition that had mysteriously withered away.

    steve-fraser-120True turning points in American political history are rare. This might seem counterintuitive once we recognize that for so long society was in a constant uproar. Arguably the country was formed and re‑formed in serial acts of violent expropriation. Like the market it has been (and remains) infinitely fungible, living in the perpetually changing present, panting after the future, the next big thing. The demographics of American society are and have always been in permanent upheaval, its racial and ethnic complexion mutating from one generation to the next. Its economic hierarchies exist in a fluid state of dissolution and recrystallization. Social classes go in and out of existence.

    Nonetheless, in the face of this all­sided​ liquefaction, American politics have tended to flow within very narrow banks from one generation to the next. The capacious, sometimes stultifying embrace of the two­-party­ system has absorbed most of the heat generated by this or that hot­-​button­ issue, leaving the fundamentals intact. Only under the most trying circumstances has the political system ruptured or come close. Then the prevailing balance of power and wealth between classes and regions has been called into question; then the political geography and demography of the nation have been reconfigured, sometimes for decades to come; only then have axiomatic beliefs about wealth and work, democracy and elitism, equality and individualism, government and the free market been reformulated or at least opened to serious debate, however briefly.
    Why, until the sudden eruption of ­OWS — a​ flare‑up that died down rather quickly­ — was​ the second Gilded Age one of acquiescence rather than resistance?

    A double mystery then is the subject of this book. Speaking generally, one might ask why people submit for so long to various forms of exploitation, oppression, and domination. And then, equally mysterious, why they ever stop giving in. Why acquiesce? Why resist? Looking backward, the indignities and injustices, the hypocrisies and lies, the corruption and cruelty may seem insupportable. Yet they are tolerated. Looking backward, the dangers to life, limb, and livelihood entailed in rebelling may seem too dire to contemplate. Yet in the teeth of all that, rebellion happens. The world is full of recent and long-ago examples of both.

    America’s history is mysterious in just this way. This book is an attempt to explore the enigma of resistance and acquiescence as those experiences unfolded in the late nineteenth and again in the late twentieth century. We have grown accustomed for some years now to referring to America’s two gilded ages. The first one was baptized by Mark Twain in his novel of that same name and has forever after been used to capture the era’s exhibitionist material excess and political corruption. The second, our own, which began sometime during the Reagan era and lasted though the financial meltdown of 2008, like the original, earned a reputation for extravagant self-​indulgence by the rich and famous and for a similar political system of, by, and for the moneyed. So it has been natural to assume that these two gilded ages, however much they have differed in their particulars, were essentially the same. Clearly there is truth in that claim. However, they were fundamentally dissimilar.

    We have grown accustomed for some years now to referring to America’s two gilded ages. The first one was baptized by Mark Twain in his novel of that same name and has forever after been used to capture the era’s exhibitionist material excess and political corruption. The second, our own, which began sometime during the Reagan era and lasted though the financial meltdown of 2008, like the original, earned a reputation for extravagant self-​indulgence by the rich and famous and for a similar political system of, by, and for the moneyed. So it has been natural to assume that these two gilded ages, however much they have differed in their particulars, were essentially the same. Clearly there is truth in that claim. However, they were fundamentally dissimilar.

    Penthouse helipads, McMansions roomy enough to house a regiment, and private island getaways… Substitute those Fifth Avenue castles, Newport beachfront behemoths, and Boss Tweed’s infamous courthouse of a century before and nothing much had changed.

    Mark Twain’s Gilded Age has always fascinated and continues to fascinate. The American vernacular is full of references to that era: the “Gay Nineties,” “robber barons,” “how the other half lives,” “cross of gold,” “acres of diamonds,” “conspicuous consumption,” “the leisure class,” “the sweatshop,” “other people’s money,” “social Darwinism and the survival of the fittest,” “the nouveau riche,” “the trust.” What a remarkable cluster of metaphors, so redolent with the era’s social tensions they have become permanent deposits in the national memory bank.

    We think of the last third of the nineteenth century as a time of great accomplishment, especially of stunning economic growth and technological transformation and the amassing of stupendous wealth. This is the age of the steam engine and transcontinental railroads, of the mechanical reaper and the telephone, of cities of more than a million and steel mills larger than any on earth, of America’s full immersion in the Industrial Revolution. A once underdeveloped, infant nation became a power to be reckoned with.

    For people living back then, however much they were aware of and took pride in these marvels, the Gilded Age was also a time of profound social unease and chronic confrontations. Citizens were worried about how the nation seemed to be verging on cataclysmic divisions of wealth and power. The trauma of the Civil War, so recently concluded, was fresh in everyone’s mind. The abiding fear, spoken aloud again and again, was that a second civil war loomed. Bloody encounters on railroads, in coal mines and steel mills, in city streets and out on the Great Plains made this premonition palpable. This time the war to the death would be between the haves and ­have-​nots, a war of class against class. American society was becoming dangerously, ominously unequal, fracturing into what many at the time called “two nations.”

    Until OWS [Occupy Wall Street] came along, all of this would have seemed utterly strange to those living through America’s second Gilded Age. But why? After all, years before the financial meltdown plenty of observers had noted how unequal American society had become. They compared the skewed distribution of income and wealth at the turn of the twenty-first​ century with the original Gilded Age and found it as stark or even starker than at any time in American history. Stories about penthouse helipads, McMansions roomy enough to house a regiment, and private island getaways kept whole magazines and TV shows buzzing. “Crony capitalism,” which Twain had great fun skewering in his novel, was very much still alive and well in the age of Jack Abramoff. Substitute those Fifth Avenue castles, Newport beachfront behemoths, and Boss Tweed’s infamous courthouse of a century before and nothing much had changed.


    New York Council Member Ydanis Rodriguez marches with Occupy Wall Street protestors before an attempted re-occupation of a vacant lot beside Duarte Park in New York. December 2011. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

    Or so it might seem. But in fact times had changed profoundly. Gone missing were the insurrections and all those utopian longings for a world put together differently so as to escape the ravages of industrial capitalism. It was this social chemistry of apocalyptic doom mixed with visionary expectation that had lent the first Gilded Age its distinctive frisson. The absence of all that during the second Gilded Age, despite the obvious similarities it shares with the original, is a reminder that the past is indeed, at least in some respects, a foreign country. Why, until the sudden eruption of ­OWS — a​ flare‑up that died down rather quickly­ — was​ the second Gilded Age one of acquiescence rather than resistance?

    If the first Gilded Age was full of sound and fury, the second seemed to take place in a padded cell. Might that striking contrast originate in the fact that the capitalist society of the Gay Nineties was nothing like the capitalism of our own time? Or to put it another way: Did the utter strangeness of capitalism when it was first taking shape in ­America —​  ­beginning decades before the Gay ­Nineties — so​ deeply disturb traditional ways of life that for several generations it seemed intolerable to many of those violently uprooted by its onrush? Did that shattering experience elicit responses, radical yet proportionate to the life‑or‑death threat to earlier, cherished ways of life and customary beliefs?

    And on the contrary, did a society like our own long ago grow accustomed to all the fundamentals of capitalism, not merely as a way of con-ducting economic affairs, but as a way of being in the world? Did we come to treat those fundamentals as part of the natural order of things, beyond real challenge, like the weather? What were the mechanisms at work in our own distinctive political economy, in the quotidian experiences of work and family life, in the interior of our imaginations, that produced a sensibility of irony and even cynical disengagement rather than a morally charged universe of utopian yearnings and dystopian forebodings?

    Gilded ages are, by definition, hiding something; what sparkles like gold is not. But what they’re hiding may differ, fundamentally. Industrial capitalism constituted the understructure of the first Gilded Age. The second rested on finance capitalism. Late-​nineteenth-​century American capitalism gave birth to the “trust” and other forms of corporate consolidation at the expense of smaller businesses. ­Late-twentieth​-​ century­ capitalism, notwithstanding its mania for mergers and acquisitions, is known for its “flexibility,” meaning its penchant for off­-loading​ corporate functions to a world of freelancers, contractors, subcontractors, and numberless petty enterprises. The first Gilded Age, despite its glaring inequities, was accompanied by a gradual rise in the standard of living; the second by a gradual erosion.

    Excerpted from The Age of Acquiescence by Steve Fraser. Copyright (c) 2015 by Steve Fraser. Reprinted with permission of Little, Brown and Company.

    #63149
    zn
    Moderator

    Sigh. I getz all adamant about this stuff.

    #63164
    Zooey
    Moderator

    Man, oh, man. As january 20 approaches, I just get sicker and sicker in my stomach. These cabinet appointments…Jesus Christ. And Pence and McConnell and Ryan. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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    Well, zooey we were totally screwed either way. As you know.

    I dont know if Trump will be worse than Hillary, because i dont know what effect the Trump presidency will have four years from now. I also dont agree with noam that every single policy of Trumps is worse than Hillarys. I mean its conceivable to me that Trumps trade deals will be better than Hillarys. I dunno.

    He’s a monster though. No doubt. And his cabinet and supreme court justices and fed judges are gonna be nightmarish.

    But maybe it will shock people into some kind of leftist-resistance. I think you agree that is our one ray of hope.

    …Speaking of Trump tweets andd trump talk…Someone today told me Trump supporters take him seriously, but dont take him literally. And anti-trumpers take him literally but not seriously.

    I dunno if that makes any sense but thats what i heard at the water cooler today.

    Oh, he will be worse.

    I also disagree with Noam that he will be worse in every measurable way. I tend to prefer de-escalation of tension with Russia, for example, and hope that leads to an end of the Syrian conflict, and a relaxation of our murderous exploits in oil-producing countries.

    But he will be worse. Look at his appointments. Hillary would have supported pipelines and fracking, but Trump wants to do away with the EPA entirely. Hillary wouldn’t outright assault public education. Trump will. Hillary wouldn’t roll back civil rights with judicial appointments and an a-hole attorney general like Sessions. You can go right down the list. He is more extreme than status quo corporate, planet-killing. He is for killing it faster.

    She would have been bad, no doubt. But Trump is worse.

    #63166
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Folks, sorry about the Bill Moyers login popping up. I didn’t know that would happen when I copied the article.

    #63167
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Man, oh, man. As january 20 approaches, I just get sicker and sicker in my stomach. These cabinet appointments…Jesus Christ. And Pence and McConnell and Ryan. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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    Well, zooey we were totally screwed either way. As you know.

    I dont know if Trump will be worse than Hillary, because i dont know what effect the Trump presidency will have four years from now. I also dont agree with noam that every single policy of Trumps is worse than Hillarys. I mean its conceivable to me that Trumps trade deals will be better than Hillarys. I dunno.

    He’s a monster though. No doubt. And his cabinet and supreme court justices and fed judges are gonna be nightmarish.

    But maybe it will shock people into some kind of leftist-resistance. I think you agree that is our one ray of hope.

    …Speaking of Trump tweets andd trump talk…Someone today told me Trump supporters take him seriously, but dont take him literally. And anti-trumpers take him literally but not seriously.

    I dunno if that makes any sense but thats what i heard at the water cooler today.

    Oh, he will be worse.

    I also disagree with Noam that he will be worse in every measurable way. I tend to prefer de-escalation of tension with Russia, for example, and hope that leads to an end of the Syrian conflict, and a relaxation of our murderous exploits in oil-producing countries.

    But he will be worse. Look at his appointments. Hillary would have supported pipelines and fracking, but Trump wants to do away with the EPA entirely. Hillary wouldn’t outright assault public education. Trump will. Hillary wouldn’t roll back civil rights with judicial appointments and an a-hole attorney general like Sessions. You can go right down the list. He is more extreme than status quo corporate, planet-killing. He is for killing it faster.

    She would have been bad, no doubt. But Trump is worse.

    But isn’t Russia looking more and more iffy? We’re learning more about his personal connections with Putin and likely connections to mob bosses there. He owes Russian banks a fortune and they’ve been bailing him out for years. Can we count on that deescalation under those conditions?

    Also, for me, just his call to ban all Muslims from entering this country was more than enough to know he’s worse. Throw in his call to register American Muslims, and just them, and that he would shut down mosques and . . . it’s just not an exaggeration to call that nazi-like. All of this followed his blatant lie that he saw “thousands and thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering on 9/11.”

    I don’t see him as even remotely “antiwar,” and he’s calling for a huge increase in military spending, including nukes, which he says we should use on the “terrorists” if needbe.

    Yeah, Clinton is bad. But Trump is on another level of bad.

    #63183
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Folks, sorry about the Bill Moyers login popping up. I didn’t know that would happen when I copied the article.

    It is probably the way the software handles the link. I will try to fix it or just delete the stupid link.
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    I had to disable the link in 3 places. It is coming from the moyers site. You will need RM for more expertise.
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    Do a copy and paste of a valid link if you wish to visit the site or I can put it back the way it was.

    Agamemnon

    #63184
    zn
    Moderator

    It is probably the way the software handles the link. I will try to fix it or just delete the stupid link.
    .
    I had to disable the link in 3 places. It is coming from the moyers site. You will need RM for more expertise.
    .
    Do a copy and paste of a valid link if you wish to visit the site or I can put it back the way it was.

    ? I thought I had fixed it.

    Yeah, I had edited BT’s post before you worked on it. I re-did that. It’s fine now.

    #63185
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    No it is back, because you reedited you link. But I won’t mess with anything anymore.

    Agamemnon

    #63186
    zn
    Moderator

    No it is back, but I won’t mess with anything anymore.

    We may be seeing different things?

    All I did was change a link from showing as a pic to showing as a blue line. And, for me, that hasn’t changed. That’s what I see there. I am not sure what you’re seeing but that’s what I am seeing.

    EDIT. AH WAIT.

    You’re talking about the authentication pop-up. I didn’t see that before.

    Okay you’re right and I fixed it back.

    I just misread BT’s post then yours but it’s fixed now.

    Sorry.

    .

    #63188
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    np, it is all good now.

    Agamemnon

    #63192
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Thanks, Mods.

    Thing is, I used the KISS method when I posted everything. Simple Copy and Paste for the link, and then I went back to the images, right-clicked, and got the “copy link location” from them, used the editor tag for “img” here and that’s it.

    No tinkering on my part at all. Very, very basic WordPress, html and php stuff.

    And I’ve had my own website since 2007, with full admin rights and no “boss.” It’s mine, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

    So, anyway . . . .

    Thanks. I hope people read the excerpt after all of your work!

    🙂

    #63193
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Thanks, Mods.

    Thing is, I used the KISS method when I posted everything. Simple Copy and Paste for the link, and then I went back to the images, right-clicked, and got the “copy link location” from them, used the editor tag for “img” here and that’s it.

    No tinkering on my part at all. Very, very basic WordPress, html and php stuff.

    And I’ve had my own website since 2007, with full admin rights and no “boss.” It’s mine, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

    So, anyway . . . .

    Thanks. I hope people read the excerpt after all of your work!

    As far as I know, you did everything right, Billy. That popup thing is a new one for me. Somehow an active link generates the popup. I believe it comes from the site and has nothing to do with how it is posted.

    Agamemnon

    #63194
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Thanks, Mods.

    Thing is, I used the KISS method when I posted everything. Simple Copy and Paste for the link, and then I went back to the images, right-clicked, and got the “copy link location” from them, used the editor tag for “img” here and that’s it.

    No tinkering on my part at all. Very, very basic WordPress, html and php stuff.

    And I’ve had my own website since 2007, with full admin rights and no “boss.” It’s mine, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

    So, anyway . . . .

    Thanks. I hope people read the excerpt after all of your work!

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>As far as I know, you did everything right, Billy. That popup thing is a new one for me. Somehow an active link generates the popup. I believe it comes from the site and has nothing to do with how it is posted.</span>

    Thanks, Ag. That makes me feel better. And it’s good to know the House of Atreus is right on top of things.

    🙂

    #63196
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Upon further review, it could be something in the software for this BB. RM would know more than I. We do the best we can.

    Agamemnon

    #63197
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Upon further review, it could be something in the software for this BB. RM would know more than I. We do the best we can.

    WP has improved a lot over the years, especially in handling links and media. It used to require all kinds of plugins, and those plugins would often not play nice with each other or the CMS. Little by little, however, the CMS itself has taken over what those plugins used to do, and that’s been much better overall. But this has come at the price of some bloat, and WP’s own software plugins, like Jetpack, can sometimes be glitchy.

    They’ve also moved from a totally free and open-source movement to trying to make a buck or two — while still being essentially free. Once they make the full transition, however, millions will have to find another platform. Until that new CMS does the same thing, etc. etc.

    My prediction is that we won’t be able to even recognize “open source” stuff in ten years, based upon what we’re used to now. The number of free offerings will be extremely small, and likely won’t last long in that form. People better enjoy this stuff while they can.

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