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July 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm #2819CoachOParticipant
Camp Report 7/29/14
Players not participating: Ethan Westbrooks; Christian Bryant; Sammy Brown; Johnny Millard; Kadeem Jones, Trumaine Johnson, William Hayes, Brandon Washington; Jarrid Bryant; Isaiah Pead
Jake Long and Scott Wells participated in the unit drills, but did NOT participate in TEAM DRILLS
Shorts and Shoulder Pads. Plenty of contact, but still not FULL TACKLING
Offense:
1st Unit: Bradford; Britt; Quick; Cook; Kendricks/Austin; Stacy; LT- Saffold; LG- Robinson; C- Jones; RG- Joseph; RT- Barksdale2nd Unit: Hill; Bailey & Austin; (Givens & Pettis) Harkey; J. Cunningham; B. Cunningham; LT- Person; LG- Rhaney; C- Barnes; RG- Bond; RT- Hooey
3rd Unit: Gilbert; Given; Pettis; (Veltung, Blake, Moe, Franklin); Bayer; Mason; LT- Van Dyk; LG- Person; C- Rhaney; RG- Morrell; RT- Dill
· Scott Wells and Jake Long had their most extensive drill work today, but still did not participate in any team stuff
o They both look to moving quite well, and could be close to limited team work next week
· Starting to see some separation in the depth chart with guys getting extra reps with different units
o Rhaney and Person taking reps with 2nd & 3rd units at different positions· The rotation with Barrett Jones and Tim Barnes continues with Jones getting the 1 unit reps today
Defense:
1st Unit: Long Brockers Langford Quinn; Lautinaitis; Ogletree; Dunbar; Jenkins; McGee; McLeod; McDonald2nd Unit: Sam Carrington Conrath Sims; Bates; Steward; Armstrong; Gaines; Woodard; Davis; Alexander
3rd Unit: Sam Donald Harlan K. Brown; Schiller; Sabino; A. Hill; Reid; Roberson; A. Cunningham; Daniels
· Donald took a handful of reps with the 1st unit when they went to Nickel package, but for the most part was getting 3rd unit reps the rest of the 11 on 11 work
· Joyner took 1st unit reps at Nickel
· Greg Williams was up to his old tricks, showing multiple looks, and tons of blitzes
o Introduced the “30 Nickel” which has 3 DL; 3LB; 5 DBso Quinn, Brockers, Long; Laurinaitis, Ogletree, Dunbar, McGee, Jenkins, Joyner, McLeod, McDonald
Theme of the day: Schottenheimer: “Brian Quick is the most improved player out here”
· For those who doubted the OC’s comments after the OTAs, need only see what it going on at training camp.o It’s no accident he’s been the best player on the field that past 2 practices, and more importantly, Bradford is showing tons of confidence in Quick by THROWING HIM THE BALL
· Offense is clicking on all cylinders that past two days
· Name of the game for the defense today: Live or die with the blitz
Special Teams:
Punt Coverage; Worked on coverage drills, interior line and backs (no gunners)
1st Unit:
Cunningham Armstrong Steward McQuaide Sims Bates Daniels C. Davis
2nd Unit:
Alexander Ogletree Harkey Hus A. Hill Sabino Mason Stacy
Not much changes from Sunday7 on 7 & 11 on 11 Drills:
Highlights:
First play of 11 on 11: CB Blitz & Bradfod hits Quick on sight adjustment (Quick slant) with no one in seam he goes untouched for big playVery NEXT play: Play Action: Bradford to Quick double move (turns McGee around) for a 40 yard completion
2nd Unit Offense: Play Action Rollout: Gilbert to Givens for 18 yard sliding completion (out route)
Gilbert to Quick another double move beats Gaines to corner (30 yard completion)
Austin had a good day catching the ball. Ran a crossing route which Daniels read perfectly, only to have Austin blow by him like he was a standing pylon
Bradford to Britt ( 9 route) in the back of the EndZone over McGee and with McGee finishing the play with a shove to the face of Britt. Britt spikes the ball at McGee’s feet and gets mobbed by teammates
In 2 minute drill at end of practice: Bradford connect with quick on deep post route, (single coverage by McLeod) Quick uses his body like going up for a rebound, McLeod had NO chance to make a play on the ball
Chris Givens showed he is still on the team: while relegated to mostly 3rd unit reps, he made a few nice catches to show he can still contribute
Cody Davis had a nice interception in 2 minute drill
Lamarcus Joyner nice INT in RedZone drill stepping in front of Pettis at back of End Zone
Cory Harkey lowers the boom on Armstrong after a catch and long run. Lowers his shoulder and delivers the blow.
Lowlights:
Chris Givens running reps with the 3rd unit. He got some 2nd unit reps when paired with Pettis, but was also running with 3rd unit guys like Veltung and Blake.
Austin Pettis was almost invisible today
Depth at CB beyond Jenkins, Johnson and Gaines is worrisome. McGee and Woodard continue to struggle; Reid and Roberson very limited reps
Expected Defense to have a “bounce back” day and offer some push back….. didn’t happen!!!
· DISCLAIMER: there were plenty of blitzes which would have resulted in sacks that ended in completions due to the “no tackle rule”
CAMP OBSERVATIONS:· The WR rotation appears to be for the 2nd unit moving forward. It’s not by accident that Brian Quick and Kenny Britt are getting at least twice as many 1st unit reps than any of the other WRs. Austin mixes in as 3rd WR.
· Right now, the rotation seems to be settled in: Quick and Britt at the WR. Cook at TE. And either Kendricks, Austin or Harkey, depending on which personnel grouping they go with. Pretty consistent the last 2 practices.
· Alexander just hasn’t shown that he is comfortable yet in the scheme. Continually needing help in lining up from C. Davis
· Benny Cunningham had a nice blitz pickup. First time I’ve seen that from any of the RBs not named Pead.
· Mason shows quick feet and instincts, but tends to want to bounce everything outside
· Things got a little chippy towards the end of practice in the 2 minute drill, a couple of shoving including one incident with Chris Givens after the Cody Davis INT.July 29, 2014 at 9:15 pm #2824znModeratorWelcome aboard, Coach.
Thanks for the (as usual) excellent report.
July 29, 2014 at 9:58 pm #2830znModeratorsome follow-up…this will keep expanding over the days
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When Brockers got here, he looked like a big kid who was just starting to grow into his body. Now he has the look of a grown man, and I expect him to have a dominant year.
As is the case with much of the 1st unit D-Line, they are giving the make shift O-Line all it can handle. No worries from me about Brockers.
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Until they went to the 2 minute drill at the end of practice, only ONE pass of Bradford’s hit the ground, and that was a 50/50 in the end zone (30 yard pass to Quick) that just went off his hands as he jumped with McGee.
Bradford looks very comfortable, and there is absolutely no signs of any issues with his knee. Rollouts, stepping up and sliding in the pocket. All evident.
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Not sure what is going on with Givens, but it seems to be a carry over from the OTA I attended. The other thing, be it Givens or Pettis, who have been paired up, and even to a lesser extent with the Bailey and Austin pairing, they have simply been out played by Britt and Quick recently. Whether than changes, remains to be seen.
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Both Britt and Quick seem to catch almost everything they can get their hands on. [Quick has]..been the best player on the field. There is no comparison in what he is showing this year compared to past camps. There is a swagger about him that has NEVER been visible before, and he making all the plays. And FINALLY using his size and body to his advantage.
I will be the first one to admit to buying into leading the charge on the Quick bandwagon in the past. But what’s different from previous camps is there is finally a swagger to him. I mentioned in my report from Sunday that there was a brief exchange between him and Joyner. In past years, Quick having the pass knocked from his grasp and roughed up some, would have tucked his tail between his legs, dropped his head and sulked back to the huddle. NOT SUNDAY. He quickly turned and challenged Joyner, as if to say,, you ain’t doing that to me. He finally has the look like he knows he belongs.
He can be seen tossing the ball in the air when on the sideline, where before, he tried to hide behind anyone who would shield him from Coach Sherman. Now he looks to be chomping at the bit to get back on the field. I know all that means squat unless it carries over on Sundays starting in Sept. But I cannot exaggerate the point enough.. .he LOOKS like a different player out there, and playing with Britt can only help.
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The WRs are definitely improved, and would be if it weren’t anyone else but Quick. But add Britt to the mix, Bailey and Austin with a year under their belt, and an obvious comfort level in the offense, and they are playing at a much higher level than this time a year ago. (Maybe Fisher and Snead knew what they were talking about).
The other thing that definitely plays a factor in this, is the way the practices are structured. They are tilted heavily in favor of the offense, in that even if 3 guys converge on the QB, he is still allowed to get the pass off, to run the play to completion. Especially against our defensive front, there are contless plays that would end up in sacks or throw aways if this were live action.
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now here’s the “ugly”!!!!! The corners.
Jenkins had a much better practice today, than on Sunday, and he wasn’t the target of many of the big plays today. That would be Brandon McGee, who in Tru Johnson’s absence, has shown we are woefully thin at CB if he is the “next man up”. Neither he or Woodard have shown much of anything, and its difficult to say which has had more struggles.
Joyner has shown to be a capable answer in the Nickel role, and Gaines has flashed some very good instincts. He just seems to “get it”. He jumps routes when he reads them. He knows when to back off as to not get blown past in other routes. But even he has had his moments, especially if lined up vs. Quick or Bailey.
Reid and Roberson have been so limited in terms of the number of reps, it’s impossible to evaluate them fairly. That being said, Roberson shows some coverage skills, but shies away from anything that remotely looks like anything physical. Reid just hasn’t had many opportunities to show anything one way or another.
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July 30
* Moe is catching everything thrown his way, the problem is, not much of that is happening thus far in the 11 on 11 stuff. He is only getting a handful of reps lately, sharing 3rd team reps with Givens being relegated to those reps, and Blake, Franklin and Veltung all working in there too.
Fisher has said numerous times, there just aren’t enough reps to go around with the limited amount of actual “on field” practice time they get with the new CBA. They have 11 WRs in camp right now. So its gonna be touch sledding for guys like Moe.
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Austin is getting a few reps out of the backfield every day. It remains to be seen how much this will translate into the scheme once they get to Sept.
What I see developing, given the amount of reps being alloted to Quick and Britt, is that Bailey (when he gets back) and Austin may be used in some 2 WR sets, spelling Britt and Austin.
Otherwise, they seem to be putting Austin out there in the slot when Britt and Quick are on the field. or as i noted, Kendricks or HArkey, depending on the personnel grouping they are going for.
But, from what they are showing thus far in camp, Bailey will certainly be a part of the rotation in some capacity. Givens may be the guy who gets the reprieve during the suspension, but how they intend on fitting him in, remains to be seen. And Pettis is Pettis.
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Gilbert has had his moments, both good and bad. He definitely passes the “look” test. Good arm strength, mobility in the pocket, etc. AS to be expected, he has trouble getting through his reads, and often holds the ball too long. He has a couple of WOW throws to give you a taste of what he is capable of. Then turns right around and throws a couple of BAD interceptions when missing on his reads.
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about the 3-3-5 nickel [or “30 nickel”]... The thing that the 30 Nickel provides, is the presence of BOTH the extra DB to counter the 3 WR sets, but also the extra LB to handle the potential for the running game. It is best utilized in 3rd and short (3rd and 2-4), where the threat for the offense to do either is legitimate. So having Dunbar remain on the field to handle the potential for the running game makes more sense to me. Which also lends to having BROCKERS man the middle of the d-line.
Ogletree matches up with the TE, or RB, McDonald on the opposite side has the same responsibilities, and Joyner covers the slot WR. That frees up Laurinaitis and Dunbar to stop any potential rushing attempt. Bottom line, its one of the sub packages that will have some value, and I expect to see it on a limited basis in the right situations.
It’s not new. Even to this team. Spagnuolo ran a version of it when he was here. Fisher has used it sporadically in his 2 years here. Do I think it will be used often? No. Obviously, it depends on the down and distance, and the opponent, but there may be 5 or 6 snaps a game where you see it.
It has its place. Again, IMO, it’s a defense that can be effective in those 3rd and short situations, when the offense brings in the 3WR set, but still is in a manageable distance that running that ball can get them the 1st down.
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Unless I am mistaken, it has been since the 2011 Season since [Reid] ..has seen any live action. Two knee surgeries later, he just doesn’t seem to have the same spark. He has appeared bored, and uninterested, and about the only time you see him running around is when he is fielding punts from the jugs machine before practice.
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Joseph is as advertised, he plays with a mean streak. He seems to be holding up well enough from his knee issues. He has participated in EVERY 1st unit rep since camp opened at RG and hasn’t missed any of the unit drills either. It appears we may have hit on this off season acquisition. Not saying he is likely to start over Saffold (assuming Long is back), but he will provide some legitimate depth at G.
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Conrath came to camp looking like he spent a LOT of time in the weight room. For all of the talk about how Barrett Jones reshaped his body, the two guys who stand out to me, are Hooey and Conrath.
He is getting regular reps with the 2’s and an occasional situational rep with the 1’s. I really they like him a lot. They love his height, and reach. Again, I know its early, but i could actually see a scenario develop where he is competing with Carrington for the last roster spot in the DL
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July 29, 2014 at 11:31 pm #2847InvaderRamModeratorWhen Brockers got here, he looked like a big kid who was just starting to grow into his body. Now he has the look of a grown man, and I expect him to have a dominant year.
As is the case with much of the 1st unit D-Line, they are giving the make shift O-Line all it can handle. No worries from me about Brockers.
yeah. this is what i’ve been expecting. i think the d tackles are catching up with the d ends this year.
the secondary is worrisome. i haven’t really read too much of anything outside of joyner that has me excited. the one thing that could hold this d back.
July 29, 2014 at 11:32 pm #2848InvaderRamModeratoralso. contrast that with the wr group. where it seems to be nothing but positive vibes despite a young group of guys.
July 29, 2014 at 11:47 pm #2850znModeratoralso. contrast that with the wr group. where it seems to be nothing but positive vibes despite a young group of guys.
Way it’s looking to me right now, no matter how the secondary plays this year…bad, passable, decent, pretty good, good…it will be the big draft target.
They have tried to nail together a bunch of UDFAs and lower picks. Jenkins and Joyner are the highest (both 2s) but then there’s Johnson (4th), McGee (5th), Gaines (6th), McDonald (3rd), McLeod (UDFA), Alexander (4th).
So I think they will apply the next draft to OL and DBs.
And having said all that for all we know the secondary plays well enough this year to support a top front 7.
July 29, 2014 at 11:54 pm #2851InvaderRamModeratori think that the safeties will be fine. i think one of mcdonald/alexander emerge as a serious strong safety prospect. and i think they will find a free safety prospect from the group they have or maybe in the later rounds of next year’s draft. but yeah. corner is looking right now as a target for the rams front office to really attack.
of course this could all change by the end of the season but jenkins and johnson do not sound like they are impressing anyone. either that or the wr group is a lot better than we expected. i mean i think it is, but not THIS good. i like joyner. but that’s about it. i hope things turn around.
July 30, 2014 at 2:19 pm #2871znModeratorabout the 3-3-5 nickel [or “30 nickel”]… The thing that the 30 Nickel provides, is the presence of BOTH the extra DB to counter the 3 WR sets, but also the extra LB to handle the potential for the running game.
If I remember correctly that’s a defense the Patz used against the Rams in their superbowl. They basically just took out a linebacker and played a DB. Of course it’s different in the 4/3 where what you do is sit a DL and play a DB.
Another advantage of the 30 nickel is that you can pass rush a linebacker. That lets you rush 4 and drop 7, but the offense doesn’t know who the 4th pass rusher will be (since of course it could be any one of the 3 linebackers).
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