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  • #15345
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Petty at number 10 would be more than we could hope for. Go get him Rams!

    Grits

    Petty ends career with gaudy numbers

    In his final college game, Baylor quarterback Bryce Petty threw for a career-high 550 yards. He was selected offensive MVP.

    It was the third 500 yard-plus passing game in program history. Nick Florence threw for 581 yards vs. West Virginia in 2012, and Petty posted 510 yards against TCU this season.

    Petty extended his school record for career 300-yard passing games to 16. He also tied Robert Griffin III’s mark with four 400-yard passing games.

    The Midlothian product leaves with these Baylor records: touchdown-to-interception ratio (6.20), yards per attempt (9.71), interception percentage (.0118) and total offense yards per play (8.2).

    He threw touchdown passes in 25 straight games, a school record.

    Bill Nichols

    #15349
    Avatar photowv
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    http://profootballspot.com/_/nfl-draft/scouting-reports/qb/2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-bryce-petty-r5669

    Well, maybe. I dunno.

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    “Bryce Petty’s name has been thrown around a lot in the past two seasons and for good reason…

    Where Petty falters is when it comes to his decision making and the fact that he’s limited to the option offense. He has never taken a snap under center and is used to only the option offense. He’ll need to transition to a pro-style offense that takes snaps under center. What he also must work on is his decision making. He tends to force to many passes into coverage and will even force passes down the field. His ball placement on a lot of passes is off the mark and he does not throw any receiver open.

    He possesses a compact frame and can withstand a lot of hits. This is a big positive in the NFL. Because of his faults and weaknesses, Petty needs at least one year of development in the NFL as a backup or third stringer….”

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    #15351
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    while i’m all in favor of drafting a quarterback this year, petty seems like the very definition of a reach pick at #10. everything i read has him as a third round pick.

    i’d rather trade down or pick a quarterback later in the draft. i’m personally in favor of drafting brett hundley. if he comes out. in the second round.

    #15352
    Avatar photowv
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    while i’m all in favor of drafting a quarterback this year, petty seems like the very definition of a reach pick at #10. everything i read has him as a third round pick.

    i’d rather trade down or pick a quarterback later in the draft. i’m personally in favor of drafting brett hundley. if he comes out. in the second round.

    Well Hundley/Petty seem like the same guy
    to me.

    I cant see the Rams taking any QB
    at the ten spot, thats for sure.

    These guys all seem like second-tier,
    project guys. Frankly even Mariota
    and the Florida-Criminal-QB seem
    that way to me. Projects.

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    #15356
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    well i wouldn’t be in favor of drafting hundley in the first round either. i’m just not in favor of drafting any qb at #10 unless mariota somehow falls down to that spot.

    #15358
    PA Ram
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    No way.

    There’s no way I take him at #10.

    While I like some of the things he did in the Cotton Bowl–and I was particularly impressed with his deep ball, he isn’t worth the #10 pick. I’m not sure any of the QBs are.

    He was barely pressured in that game–Baylor moves the ball pretty fast.

    Look–he certainly has potential.

    I’d absolutely grab him in the 3rd round but he probably won’t be there. If the Rams trade down–end of second–maybe.

    With teams desperate for QBs he might not be around then–but that’s okay–I still would not reach at #10.

    Take a lineman at #10–a solid guy. That’s my #10 pick.

    In the second I’d still look for a lineman but if they can trade down and find Petty there I’d consider it.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #15359
    HighPlainsDrifter
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    I think taking Petty at No. 10 would certainly be a risky pick. Maybe a trade down to pick up an extra pick, but the dilemma with Petty is getting to be pretty common given the nature of the college game these days. Quarterbacks have always had to be taught to play the game “the NFL way” coming out of college, but never more than now. The differences between the college game and the pro game have never been greater overall than they are now. Teams not only have to evaluate the quarterback on a physical level, but now have to determine what their capacity for learning a very different game is going to be. I think the NFL is going to have to consider a developmental league to develop their quarterbacks or they are going to have to make the adjustments in their offensive systems to accommodate the skill sets that the college quarterbacks bring with them to the league. The number of college programs that still utilize anything resembling a pro style system is rapidly shrinking and those quarterbacks are in shorter and shorter supply.

    #15363
    Avatar photocanadaram
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    I haven’t watched him lots, but in the Cotton Bowl he had a lot of wide open receivers to throw to in the first 3 quarters. He did a good job hitting those guys in stride. He won’t see guys running that free, that often in the NFL.

    #15364
    Avatar photowv
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    No way.

    There’s no way I take him at #10.

    While I like some of the things he did in the Cotton Bowl–and I was particularly impressed with his deep ball, he isn’t worth the #10 pick. I’m not sure any of the QBs are.

    He was barely pressured in that game–Baylor moves the ball pretty fast.

    Well, i agree, but the Rams took a guy
    number 1, who was barely pressured and had a nice deep ball, etc. 🙂

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    #15374
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    I think taking Petty at No. 10 would certainly be a risky pick. Maybe a trade down to pick up an extra pick, but the dilemma with Petty is getting to be pretty common given the nature of the college game these days. Quarterbacks have always had to be taught to play the game “the NFL way” coming out of college, but never more than now. The differences between the college game and the pro game have never been greater overall than they are now. Teams not only have to evaluate the quarterback on a physical level, but now have to determine what their capacity for learning a very different game is going to be. I think the NFL is going to have to consider a developmental league to develop their quarterbacks or they are going to have to make the adjustments in their offensive systems to accommodate the skill sets that the college quarterbacks bring with them to the league. The number of college programs that still utilize anything resembling a pro style system is rapidly shrinking and those quarterbacks are in shorter and shorter supply.

    well this is a good point. what qbs coming out for the draft are coming from a more pro-style offense?

    someone correct me if i’m wrong but i believe russell wilson came from a pro-style offense at wisconsin. that must have made a huge difference in his transition to the nfl. maybe the rams should be looking more in that direction.

    #15380
    Avatar photowv
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    well this is a good point. what qbs coming out for the draft are coming from a more pro-style offense?

    someone correct me if i’m wrong but i believe russell wilson came from a pro-style offense at wisconsin. that must have made a huge difference in his transition to the nfl. maybe the rams should be looking more in that direction.

    Dunno, but saw this on the inter netz:

    “Wilson left NCSU’s football team to pursue a pro baseball career. He struggled as a single-A infielder in the Rockies farm system. He decided he had a deeper love for, and at least an equal shot of playing pro in, football. He wanted to go to a winning program, and as others mention, it was between Auburn and Wisconsin. He chose Wisconsin because they typically run a pro-style offense (meaning the QB lines up directly under center as opposed to in the shotgun). Auburn, and to an extent NCSU, sets up more with the QB in the shotgun (about 3-4 yards behind the center). NFL scouts look for QBs with success running pro style offenses because that’s what is typically run in the pros. For examples, look to Cam Newton, who critics ripped on because he always worked out of the shotgun and college; they challenged his ability to make the transition to lining up under center. Then look at Andrew Luck. Luck played a lot of pro style offense in college and the scouts graded him highly. It turns out Cam Newton has had a great first year, but he got knocked for the formation his college team used.”
    http://www.quora.com/Why-did-Russell-Wilson-transfer-from-NC-State-to-Wisconsin

    #15381
    Avatar photowv
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    PS — on R.Wilson and the ‘pro style offense’ — good little article. Also
    talks about Glennon.
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/110198/wilson-and-glennons-life-changing-moment
    by Terry Blount
    Oct 31, 2013

    RENTON, Wash. — Russell Wilson never will forget the day he was told he no longer was wanted at NC State.

    “It was April 27th [2011],” Wilson said.

    Tom O’Brien, NC State’s head coach at the time, had a meeting that day with Wilson and gave him the surprising news.

    Wilson had been the Wolfpack’s starting quarterback for three seasons. But Wilson also was playing minor-league baseball, a situation with which O’Brien had issues.

    “But I didn’t think he would tell me not to come back,” Wilson said. “North Carolina State was an awesome experience for me. I graduated in three years and went to grad school. I wanted to finish my senior year [of football] there.

    Russell Wilson was forced to leave NC State because of his commitment to baseball.
    “I tried to do everything right. I love NC State. It was just one of those things. Coach O’Brien wanted to move on. So I had to move on, too.”

    Now, 2 1/2 years later, Wilson will play Sunday against the man who replaced as NC State, rookie Tampa Bay quarterback Mike Glennon.

    “It was definitely a unique situation for a player of his caliber,” Glennon said of Wilson’s departure. “He was a great teammate, but it worked out for both of us. He went on to have a great year at Wisconsin and led them to the Rose Bowl.

    “For me, it gave me an opportunity to start for two years at NC State and put me in a situation to get drafted. We’ve been nothing but supportive of one another through all that. We stay in touch with one another. I was happy for him and all his accomplishments and I think he feels the same way about me.”

    Wilson has nothing but good things to say about Glennon.

    “We were roommates, both doing our best to learn all we could,” Wilson said. “I have so much respect for Mike. He is very consistent in his approach. He knows how to study and how to learn. He has a great arm and doesn’t make many mistakes. He’s very poised.

    “And he’s a lot taller than me [6-6 to 5-11]. He’s like a giraffe compared to me. But Mike has worked extremely hard to get where he is now. It’ll be fun to play against him.”

    The situation at NC State was awkward for both men at the time. O’Brien felt Wilson’s baseball commitment, causing Wilson to miss spring practice, would hinder the football team.

    “Russell and I had very open conversations about his responsibilities, respective to baseball and football,” O’Brien said at the time. “While I am certainly respectful of Russell’s dedication to baseball these last several years, within those discussions, I also communicated to him the importance of his time commitment to NC State football.”

    O’Brien is no longer at NC State. He was fired after the 2012 season. He now is the associate head coach and tight ends coach at Virginia.

    “I don’t carry a grudge,” Wilson said. “I ended up in the right place at the right time.”

    But it was a life-changing moment for Wilson. A lot was going on in his life at the time, including the death of his father, the man who had guided all his decisions. Now Wilson had to make the biggest decision of his life without his father’s help.

    “I still wanted to explore my dream of playing football,” Wilson said. “I prayed a lot and talked to my brother and my mom. I just went with my instincts.”

    Mike Glennon replaced Wilson at NC State, but the former roommates turned NFL starters have remained supportive of each other.
    Wilson said he had offers from schools across the country, but his instincts almost led him to Auburn

    “I took a visit to Auburn,” Wilson said. “I liked it, but I went up to Wisconsin and fell in love with it. I knew that was the right situation for me. Auburn had just had Cam Newton [the 2010 Heisman Trophy winner], a 6-5 quarterback. They spread it out and did a lot of trick stuff.

    “I came from a West Coast, pro-style offense. I wanted to continue to learn what I could. I knew as a 5-11 quarterback, I was going to have to continue to prove myself in a pro-style offense [which Wisconsin used]. I had to put myself in the right position.”

    Wilson had a remarkable senior season for the Badgers, throwing 33 touchdown passes and running for six others. He led Wisconsin to a Rose Bowl appearance against Oregon, which the Badgers lost 45-38. But Wilson had a superb performance, completing 19 of 25 passes for 296 yards and two touchdown throws, along with running for another TD.

    “I’m so blessed to have gone to Wisconsin,” Wilson said. “It’s a great school and great coaching staff with incredible fans. I had a lot of great teammates that wanted to be successful. I played behind a huge offensive line. I think that proved a lot too, as a 5-11 quarterback showing I could play under center with those guys in front of me.”

    And Glennon became a star after playing behind Wilson for two seasons. Glennon threw for 7,085 yards and 62 TDs in his final two years for the Wolfpack.

    Like Wilson, he was a third-round draft choice. And like Wilson, he became an NFL starter as a rookie.

    “We spent a lot of time together in college,” Glennon said of Wilson. “I don’t know if I could pinpoint one story about him, but he’s such a great guy. He does everything the right way.”

    Who knows what would have happened for Wilson and Glennon if O’Brien had allowed Wilson to return for his senior year at NC State.

    “In the end, maybe it’s what allowed me to play in the NFL,” Wilson said. “I was a free agent in a way. I was able to go to another school and continue my education [in graduate school] which was really important to me.”

    Wilson looks back on it now believing everything happens for a reason.

    “God had a different plan for me,” Wilson said. “It all worked out for me and for Mike.”

    Wilson moved on and Glennon got his chance. Sunday they will be on opposite sidelines as NFL starting quarterbacks, at least in part, because of a day 2 1/2 years ago that changed both their lives.

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    #15384
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yeah. at first glance there doesn’t seem to be a russell wilson type guy in this draft.

    i mean he didn’t just play in a pro-style offense. he dominated in a pro-style offense.

    he averaged 10.3 yards per attempt and threw 33 touchdowns on just 309 attempts and had a 72.8% completion rate.

    domination.

    #15389
    Avatar photowv
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    yeah. at first glance there doesn’t seem to be a russell wilson type guy in this draft.

    i mean he didn’t just play in a pro-style offense. he dominated in a pro-style offense.

    he averaged 10.3 yards per attempt and threw 33 touchdowns on just 309 attempts and had a 72.8% completion rate.

    domination.

    Well how bout if they just draft
    Wisconsin QBs until they
    hit on one that can play.

    Oh, and why dont you
    do a search of
    “pro-style, college quarterbacks” with “eleven inch hands” 🙂

    PS — who runs pro-style offenses?
    Fwiw — others have asked and answered that:
    http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35429

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    #15392
    Avatar photowv
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    And a tebow spread vs pro
    article just for Mack
    http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090424/ARTICLES/904239905?Title=Will-spread-hurt-Tebow-

    “…Not necessarily so, says Rich Rodriguez, whose spread offense nearly had West Virginia playing for a national title in 2007 — the year before he left for Michigan.

    “People are looking at it the wrong way,” Rodriguez said. “Instead of looking at the system, they should look at the individuals they’re saying didn’t make it.”

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    #15400
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    can’t find anyone with 11″ hands. but wilson came from a pro-style offense and has 10 1/4″ hands!

    logan thomas has 10 7/8″ hands. but i think he was in a spread offense.

    ha!

    #15405
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    I know a WR that’s 6’2″ has a 6’7″ wing span and 13″ hands

    #15406
    HighPlainsDrifter
    Participant

    Well how bout if they just draft
    Wisconsin QBs until they
    hit on one that can play.

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    Nooooooooo! My gosh, have you seen the quarterbacks that Wisconsin has? They’re terrible. Believe me, Russell Wilson was an anomaly in Wisconsin. They are an offensive line/running back driven school. At least they have traditionally been.

    #15408
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    I know a WR that’s 6’2″ has a 6’7″ wing span and 13″ hands

    Draft him and switch him to QB.

    #15417
    Dak
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    Jake Locker had a nice deep ball in college.

    It’s easy to fall in love with these QBs when they light up in college, but the NFL game has so many subtleties. You don’t know how they’ll develop the mental part of the game. I still say that young QBs are rushed to start in the NFL way too quickly. I’d consider Petty or someone like him in the mid- to late rounds. I wouldn’t reach and make him the franchise’s future, no way.

    #15479
    JackPMiller
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    while i’m all in favor of drafting a quarterback this year, petty seems like the very definition of a reach pick at #10. everything i read has him as a third round pick.

    i’d rather trade down or pick a quarterback later in the draft. i’m personally in favor of drafting brett hundley. if he comes out. in the second round.

    If we can trade down into the 20’s and pick up some extra picks, including getting a 4th rounder on top, I’d be in favor of Hundley no earlier then say 20, if we can drop of course. Not at 10.

    #15480
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Some Petty highlights from 2013

    Grits

    #15481
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Anyone who thinks that QB is not a priority pick with the Rams at this time is fooling themselves.

    Petty or Hundley would be fine with me but, you really want to go in the 2nd and 3rd round before you pick a QB?

    You pay for what you get.

    Grits

    #15483
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant


    Brett Hundley 2013 Highlights

    Grits

    #15484
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    Brett Hundley presser after the victory over USC. Always good to hear these guys talk and how they handle themselves
    with the media etc. I think you get a good feeling about Brett and his maturity level etc., in snipets like this.

    Grits

    #15486
    Dak
    Participant

    Anyone who thinks that QB is not a priority pick with the Rams at this time is fooling themselves.

    Petty or Hundley would be fine with me but, you really want to go in the 2nd and 3rd round before you pick a QB?

    You pay for what you get.

    Grits

    It’s a priority. But, I wonder what type of grade the Rams will have on these QBs. You can’t reach for one at No. 10.

    #15493
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    I don’t think either is a reach. But that is my opinion. Then again when you consider this team drafted Greg Robinson at number 2 overall and Tavon Austin at number 8 overall the year before, YOU TELL ME WHO KNOWS BETTER!

    Grits

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