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May 8, 2015 at 6:47 pm #24319znModerator
Tom Brady will be suspended by Roger Goodell for role in DeflateGate, announcement expected next weekNEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, May 8, 2015,A suspension would mean the Patriots would be without Tom Brady for an extended period of time for just the second time in his career.
Tom Brady will be the highest profile player ever suspended in the 96-year history of the NFL.Roger Goodell’s decision is expected to be announced next week and it is no longer a matter of if the NFL commissioner will suspend Brady, but for how long he will suspend him.
In conversations I’ve had with several key sources who always have a good sense of what goes on at 345 Park Avenue, there is little doubt Goodell considers Brady’s role in DeflateGate a serious violation.
The NFL is convinced, according to sources, that connecting all the dots of the evidence supplied by Wells leads to one conclusion:
Brady cheated.
The feeling is the Wells Report supplied Goodell with enough ammunition to suspend Brady both for breaking the rules by ordering the deflation of footballs and by not cooperating with the investigation when he refused to turn over his cell phone to Wells’ investigators.
The only question now is how many games with which Goodell will hit the league’s star player?
Estimates have been all over the map. My feeling is he will wind up with two games, whether that is the initial discipline handed out or whether he is hit with four and ends up with two after an appeal..
The Miami Herald reported Brady’s suspension could be as much as the entire 2015 season. Sources insist that is way off and not going to happen. There were reports in Boston on Friday on CSNNE that the Patriots fear Goodell could hit Brady with a 6-to-8 game suspension. Others have estimated 2-to-4 games.
Brady will not likely be the only one disciplined in DeflateGate. The Patriots could be fined, just as they were in SpyGate in 2007. Bill Belichick, who was hit with a $500,000 fine for running his spying operation, could also face sanctions, although Wells’ report did not link him to the deflating of the footballs.
While Bill Belichick comes off mostly clean in the DeflateGate report, the Patriots coach’s record of being fast and loose with the rules could come back on him.
Precedent is important. Remember, Sean Payton was not implicated in BountyGate, but Goodell still suspended him for the 2012 season, saying ignorance is not an excuse. Belichick runs the Patriots’ football operation, so it will be interesting to see if Goodell, who is not exactly fond of Belichick, ultimately holds him responsible because the whole thing it happened under his watch.
Clearly, any games Brady misses reduces the chance Belichick and the Patriots have to repeat as Super Bowl champions.
Second-year backup Jimmy Garoppolo better start warming up in the bullpen. But even if the Pats are without Brady for more than a few games, Bill Belichick is very resourceful.
In 2008, following the Patriots’ 16-0 regular season, Brady suffered a season ending torn ACL in the first quarter of the first game. In came Matt Cassel and the Pats finished 11-5, although they missed the playoffs on tiebreakers.
Considering how soft Goodell was in originally giving Ray Rice just a two-game suspension for slugging his future wife in an elevator — there were enough details about what happened for a stiffer suspension even before the second elevator video surfaced — how can Goodell possibly justify giving Brady 6-to-8 games?
This is not the outcome the NFL wanted out of the long investigation by Ted Wells. Brady and Peyton Manning together have been the faces of the league for more than a decade and this is not at all like Goodell having to suspend miscreants like Rice, Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy for various degrees of domestic violence. This is Tom Brady, four-time Super Bowl champion, three-time Super Bowl MVP, husband to the world’s most famous supermodel and, at least to this point, everything Goodell wanted representing the NFL shield.
Meanwhile, sources say NFL owners are watching closely how Goodell deals not only with Brady but with the Patriots as well.
Wells’ constant use of “more probable than not” in explaining Brady’s role is the standard the NFL was looking for to find him in violation of the rules. The league considers that as good as guilty and just a way of phrasing it in legal terms.
Two days ago, former Bills, Panthers and Colts GM Bill Polian, a former member of the competition committee, said on ESPN that the phrase “is the standard of proof that the NFL has used for about seven years or so that means in English: they’re guilty. … This is not running through a stop sign, this is not speeding five miles over the limit. This is a serious competitive violation that has to be treated as such by the league.”
No matter how many games Goodell suspends Brady, the Jets’ chances of closing the gap on their long-time tormentors has just increased significantly.
May 9, 2015 at 6:29 am #24328wvParticipantWell, I dont really know how i feel about all this,
but i do know, that if Brady is suspended a few games
its not going to hurt the Pats. It might actually help
them in the long run cause it will give Garapolo some
experience.w
vMay 9, 2015 at 9:01 am #24330nittany ramModeratorWell, I dont really know how i feel about all this,
but i do know, that if Brady is suspended a few games
its not going to hurt the Pats. It might actually help
them in the long run cause it will give Garapolo some
experience.w
vYeah, Belichick will spin this to his advantage and create an ‘us vs the world/victim vs oppressor’ mentality in the locker room that will probably propel them to another Superbowl.
Of course, he’s also gonna cheat again somehow so the league has to remain vigilant.
May 9, 2015 at 10:14 am #24336wvParticipantWell, I dont really know how i feel about all this,
but i do know, that if Brady is suspended a few games
its not going to hurt the Pats. It might actually help
them in the long run cause it will give Garapolo some
experience.w
vYeah, Belichick will spin this to his advantage and create an ‘us vs the world/victim vs oppressor’ mentality in the locker room that will probably propel them to another Superbowl.
Of course, he’s also gonna cheat again somehow so the league has to remain vigilant.
Exactly.
In fact I bet Belichex instigated this whole deflate-scam
just so he could give Brady some rest and
create an us-vs-them attitude on the team.Seriously, when a star becomes as big as Brady,
and makes as much money as Brady, and wins Rings
like Brady — a suspension of a few games
is pretty meaningless.Then again, I’m not sure deflating balls
is a big deal. I just dont know. Maybe
it is, maybe it isnt.w
vMay 9, 2015 at 12:47 pm #24342nittany ramModeratorWell, I dont really know how i feel about all this,
but i do know, that if Brady is suspended a few games
its not going to hurt the Pats. It might actually help
them in the long run cause it will give Garapolo some
experience.w
vYeah, Belichick will spin this to his advantage and create an ‘us vs the world/victim vs oppressor’ mentality in the locker room that will probably propel them to another Superbowl.
Of course, he’s also gonna cheat again somehow so the league has to remain vigilant.
Seriously, when a star becomes as big as Brady,
and makes as much money as Brady, and wins Rings
like Brady — a suspension of a few games
is pretty meaningless.w
vWell, it depends. Financially a suspension means nothing. Brady already has more money than he could hope to spend in a lifetime.
Where it might hurt Brady, and I stress “might” because it depends on what kind of person he is, is in how he perceives a suspension could affect his legacy.
Obviously he’s a HOFer. That’s a given. But with their history of cheating in many circles the Patriots’ accomplishments and therefore Brady’s accomplishments already have an asterisk attached. This further tarnishes that legacy. Heck, unlike the other cheating instances, he was directly involved in this case. He may not give a shit about any of that, and part of me wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t care, but he certainly could feel that a suspension would to a small extent at least diminish his legacy and regret that.
Of course, I doubt that he regrets what he did, but he surely regrets being caught.
May 9, 2015 at 3:19 pm #24344bnwBlockedOf course, he’s also gonna cheat again somehow so the league has to remain vigilant.
What a weird word to describe the NFL regarding this deflate gate. We are to believe the refs who checked the footballs before the game couldn’t tell at all the footballs had been deflated when the refs handle the football before and after each play? For an entire half? Only when the other team gets their hands on a Patriots football are the refs made aware? These same refs that are handling the other teams footballs too during the same half?
What won’t be looked into is the vigilance of the NFL in protecting the Patriots for 15 years.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 19, 2015 at 4:25 pm #24892znModeratorfrom off the net
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Kraft and Pats to accept NFL/Goodell’s Punishment
Just heard on ESPN’s blogcast… Kraft has decided to leave the Deflatgate santions alone… I think Goodell told him, “look man, this ain’t all we got on your team, Okay?”…
May 19, 2015 at 5:38 pm #24898HerzogParticipantKraft and Pats to accept NFL/Goodell’s Punishment
Just heard on ESPN’s blogcast… Kraft has decided to leave the Deflatgate santions alone… I think Goodell told him, “look man, this ain’t all we got on your team, Okay?”…
LOL EXACTLY!
May 19, 2015 at 6:23 pm #24908wvParticipantBrady and Krafty
have the Super Bowl Ring.I think once they got through their hissy-fits,
they probably looked at their rings and
just…smiled.And there aint no reason to think they
wont be right there in the Super Bowl
again next year.The NFL is a world
without Hope, without Law,
without Mercy…
w
vMay 19, 2015 at 10:26 pm #24929znModeratorLeigh Steinberg joined Kevin Wheeler to talk about Deflategate, Tom Brady getting defensive, Robert Kraft’s role, and more.
May 21, 2015 at 11:11 pm #25060znModeratorDarrelle Revis has no sympathy for ex-teammate Tom Brady: ‘[The Patriots] have a history of doing stuff’
Darrelle Revis has a healthy professional respect for nemesis-turned-teammate-turned-rival Tom Brady, but he’s not shedding any tears for the golden boy quarterback at the center of the Patriots’ latest cheating scandal.
“Everybody’s blowing it up because it is Tom Brady,” Revis told the Daily News Wednesday in his first extended comments on the Deflategate fallout. “I understand that. But if (the NFL) feels he did the crime or he did something and they want to penalize them, then that’s that. (The Patriots) have a history of doing stuff. You can’t hide that.… Tom was there when they did that stuff in the past.”
Revis, the centerpiece of Bill Belichick’s defense last season, made it clear that he was unaware of any wrongdoing by Brady and his alleged air-pressure-releasing accomplices that prompted the league to suspend the signal caller for four games and slap the Super Bowl champions with a $1 million fine and loss of two draft picks, but suggested that the franchise’s rule-breaking history likely played a role in this latest punishment.
“New England’s been doing stuff in the past and getting in trouble,” Revis said. “When stuff repeatedly happens, then that’s it. I don’t know what else to tell you. Stuff repeatedly happened through the years. You got SpyGate, you got this and that and everything else. Obviously in those situations in the past, they had the evidence. So they did what they needed to do.”
Revis, one of the savviest players in the league with great perspective, disagreed with the Players’ Association’s insistence that Roger Goodell recuse himself from Brady’s appeal. The union, Revis smartly maintained, has nobody to blame but itself for agreeing to a structure in the Collective Bargaining Agreement that gives the commissioner so much power. His take: Don’t whine about it now.
“He’s the judge, jury and executioner,” Revis said of Goodell, who danced around whether he’ll recuse himself for the Brady appeal when asked at the league meetings in San Francisco on Wednesday. “Everybody signed off on it…. Why didn’t we stand up when it was time to stand up? You can talk about it after the fact, but we all agreed to it. So (the union’s) got to point the finger back at (the union).”
There’s a sentiment that Brady, an ambassador for the game with a previously pristine image, was handed too harsh of a punishment in the absence of a smoking gun.
Although the circumstantial evidence led league officials to conclude that Brady was aware of the deflating shenanigans, Revis believes that the only way Brady’s suspension should be amended is if new information not contained in the Wells Report is uncovered.
The three-time Super Bowl MVP’s stature and prior spotless record shouldn’t be any consideration, according to his former teammate.
“If I fail a drug test, then I fail a drug test. If I get a DUI, I get a DUI,” Revis said. “If Tom gets caught with a DUI, it’s a DUI. …. If they are saying that he did what he’s done, then the suspension is the suspension. I’m not the commissioner and don’t make the rules. If they want to change (the suspension) based on new information or new evidence, then okay, but it should have nothing to do with Tom being the face (of the NFL).”
Brady’s former teammates have predictably been his apologists during the scandal (with the exception of ESPN analyst Damien Woody), but Revis doesn’t play that game. He admitted that Brady “is going to go down as one of the greatest – if not the best – quarterback that’s ever played” and “he’s definitely a Hall of Famer,” but can’t say for certain if the man is a cheater.
“I don’t know,” he said. “I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. If people want to judge him as a cheater, that’s their opinion.”
Revis has taken plenty of heat from Patriots fans, who have behaved like scorned ex-lovers after the top cornerback in the league signed a blockbuster five-year, $70 million deal with the Jets this offseason. He’s back to being Public Enemy No. 1, which feels perfect given the animus that prompted the Patriots to whine to the league about tampering charges that resulted in a hollow and harmless $100,000 fine last month.
So forgive him if he isn’t losing sleep over Brady’s fate.
“If he had nothing to do with it, then hey…” Revis said. “There’s really nothing you can say. There’s people in the world that get convicted all the time that didn’t do the crime. That’s just the history of how stuff goes sometimes.”
Revis isn’t the only one not feeling sorry for the golden boy.
May 21, 2015 at 11:20 pm #25064wvParticipantRevis speaks his mind
dont he.w
vJuly 5, 2015 at 8:25 pm #26982znModeratorOlbermann: Remember Deflategate and Ballghazi?
Published on Jul 2, 2015
As the NFL delays it’s announcement of the results from the Brady hearing, in all likelihood they will release their decision while no one is watching. Keith explains.
July 27, 2015 at 7:35 pm #27654znModeratorfrom Notes from around the league
Jason La Canfora
Why the hell hasn’t Roger Goodell made a Deflategate decision yet?
As I’ve noted many times, nothing, when it comes to matters of NFL discipline, should surprise anyone at this point. It’s impossible to predict the ebb and flow many of these matters take, and the league will do what the league wants when it wants to do it.
But, come on man.
We are a half a year removed from the game in question taking place, we are months removed from Ted Wells’ grand-standing conference call where he tried to defend his report and we are weeks removed from Tom Brady spending a day at the NFL offices to plead his case in his appeal.
As I discussed when filling in for Doug Gottlieb a few weeks back, the longer this thing goes, the more I believe Goodell is going through backchannels to try to broker a deal both sides can live with. It may be impossible in the end, but the NFL wants this wrapped up in a bow whenever the appeal decision is made, and would love to have an outcome that doesn’t involve arguably the best quarterback of all-time suing the NFL as the backdrop to this Super Bowl 50 season.
I don’t see Brady taking any deal that involved a suspension, though a fine of a few game checks might be palatable. With camps opening, Goodell is running out of time not to have this bleed into Hall of Fame weekend, etc, and I certainly don’t see Brady backing down now. The NFL can say there is no timetable, but a team deserves the right to know going into camp exactly what sentence a player is facing, particularly one of this magnitude.
July 28, 2015 at 11:45 am #27683znModerator
Stephen A Smith @stephenasmithI’m hearing that Brady’s 4-gm suspension will likely be upheld by the NFL
July 28, 2015 at 11:57 am #27684wvParticipant“… Remember, Sean Payton was not implicated in BountyGate, but Goodell still suspended him for the 2012 season, saying ignorance is not an excuse. Belichick runs the Patriots’ football operation, so it will be interesting to see if Goodell, who is not exactly fond of Belichick, ultimately holds him responsible because the whole thing it happened under his watch…”
I dunno. I think Payton was indeed “implicated” in Bountygate if Implicate
means the guy HAD to know what his DC was yakking about in the locker-room all year long.
I dont see how people can say Payton wasn’t “implicated.”w
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2. To have as a consequence or necessary circumstance; imply or entail: His evasiveness implicated complicity.
3. Linguistics To convey, imply, or suggest by implicature.
4. Archaic To interweave or entangle; entwine.July 28, 2015 at 3:18 pm #27691znModeratorfrom off the net
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Adam Shefter on NFL Insiders today said: “New information has surfaced that on or shortly before March 6th, the day that Brady met with Ted Wells, Brady directed that the cell phone he had been using for the prior 4 months be destroyed. He did so even though he was aware that the NFL requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on the phone. I know the NFL was very upset about the phone not being turned over, so the obviously factored that information into the decision to uphold the suspension.”
Shefter thinks that it will all end up in front of Judge Dody in Minny. He said the Brady camp can prove that Tom changes phones every 4 months, and Bill Polian jumped on that. He pointed out that evidence cannot be litigated on appeal, only “procedure and correct application of the CBA.” Polian added the appeal can’t exonerate Brady, so he doubts that the suspension will be overturned.
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Goodell cites destroying phone in upholding Tom Brady’s suspension
Darin Gantt
In a not-at-all unexpected end (for now) to the #DeflateGate saga, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has upheld his four-game suspension of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady
In the league’s release on the matter, they stated that “important new information disclosed by Brady and his representatives” during his appeal hearing came into play.
“On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and his colleagues, Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed,” the league statement read. “He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone. During the four months that the cell phone was in use, Brady had exchanged nearly 10,000 text messages, none of which can now be retrieved from that device. The destruction of the cell phone was not disclosed until June 18, almost four months after the investigators had first sought electronic information from Brady.”
As a result, Goodell did not shorten his initial punishment, which will now certainly be headed to court.
“The commissioner found that Brady’s deliberate destruction of potentially relevant evidence went beyond a mere failure to cooperate in the investigation and supported a finding that he had sought to hide evidence of his own participation in the underlying scheme to alter the footballs.”
July 28, 2015 at 3:34 pm #27693wvParticipantAdam Shefter on NFL Insiders today said: “New information has surfaced that on or shortly before March 6th, the day that Brady met with Ted Wells, Brady directed that the cell phone he had been using for the prior 4 months be destroyed. He did so even though he was aware that the NFL requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on the phone..”
See, if Richard Nixon was as crafty as Brady,
he’d still be President.w
vJuly 28, 2015 at 3:55 pm #27694HerzogParticipantDestroying evidence is standard protocol for the Patriots. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Brady’s last received text messages:
Roger G: Destroy it
Tom: Roger that (get it?)
Roger G: Shut up Tom…Love youJuly 29, 2015 at 12:11 pm #27729znModeratorBill Belichick Press Conference Transcript
Wednesday, July 29, 2015
Q: It’s good to see everyone back here. We’ve got all the players back today for the start of training camp. Right now we’re in a long step-by-step process as we head into the beginning of the 2015 season. So we’re just going to take it one day at a time. Today we’ve got some preparation work to do in terms of conditioning and going through some policies and things like that, trying to get everybody on the same page like we normally do. We’ll try to have a good day today and then try to have another one tomorrow and just string them along day by day. That’s really where we’re at. I think Robert [Kraft] took care of the other situation. Tom [Brady] has already had a statement. So, [there’s] nothing really to talk about there. I won’t really be dealing with that at all, just trying to get the team ready and prepare for the regular season as we always do and as we did all spring. So there’s no change for us on the football team.
Q: Nobody has had more ability to understand his team than you have over the years. How do you think something like this will impact your preparation for the season?
Q: We’re going to take it day to day, just like we always do.
Q: Do you believe Tom Brady when he says that neither he nor anyone in the Patriots organization did anything wrong?
Q: We start training camp today. We’ll get ready for the 2015 season starting today.
Q: Is there something flawed about the system here in the organization that you keep ending up in these cheating controversies? Can you explain why?
Q: It’s already been addressed.
Q: Could you elaborate a little?
Q: No.
Q: Why not?
Q: Because it’s already been addressed.
Q: Well, people have a lot of questions – the public, fans.
Q: You heard what Robert just said. It’s already been addressed. Maybe you ought to go back and look at your notes.
Q: I want your opinion.
Q: It’s already been addressed.
Q: Were you personally surprised by Roger Goodell’s decision yesterday?
Q: We’re going to continue to get the team ready for the 2015 season and that’s what we’re going to do.
Q: How difficult is it to get ready when you don’t know who your quarterback is going to be for the first four games of the season?
Q: All the players that are out there will practice, just like they always do.
Q: But you don’t know who is going to be in the game, so does that make it difficult to decide who gets reps at quarterback?
Q: We practice everybody in training camp. That’s what training camp is for. That’s the way we’ve always done it and that’s the way we’ll do it this year. It’s no different than any other position or any other year.
Q: How much confidence do you have in Jimmy Garoppolo if Tom Brady is unable to start the season?
Q: It’s a new season for everyone. We all have to reestablish our level of performance whether it’s a coach – starting with me – player, assistant coach, anybody else. That’s what training camp is for. It’s a new start of the year and we all have a lot of work to do, a lot of preparation. [It’s] a long time before we play a game, but we all have a lot of ground to cover between now and then and that includes everybody – players, coaches, assistant coaches – everyone.
Q: Have you spoken at all to Tom Brady since the decision?
Q: I talk to the team every day.
Q: Have you spoken to Tom Brady?
Q: I talk to the team every day.
Q: Is your message to the team about maintaining focus and taking everything day by day any different at the start of this training camp compared to other seasons?
Q: Nope.
Q: What is your essential message?
Q: I just gave it.
Q: Robert Kraft just said that the NFL is taking this to court. Does that mean that you’re going to go to court with this?
Q: We’re going to get ready for the football season. We start today. We start with our conditioning run. All the players that are in here, we’re going to start our process to get ready for the regular season.
Q: What kind of spring camps did Jimmy Garoppolo have?
Q: Spring camps are teaching camps, so we got a lot of reps for everybody. I think we taught a lot of football and now we have to go out and practice it on an individual basis and then eventually we get to pads, on a padded level, where the timing and execution is a little bit different and start to build into the things that are situationally that we didn’t do as much of in the spring.
Q: How did Jimmy Garoppolo keep up with the teaching aspect of the spring camps?
Q: I think everybody learned a lot in the spring. I think the rookies learned a lot. I think the veterans learned a lot. It’s the start of a season. It’s a preparation for training camp. Now is when we really get to go out there and execute and work on it at a higher tempo and higher level. Not today, but eventually that will be coming once we’re able to practice in pads.
Q: How will you split up the reps at quarterback with the first team offense?
Q: Training camp is where everybody gets reps. We evaluate the entire team.
Q: You’re obviously more than a coach on this team. Why were [John] Jastremski and [Jim] McNally suspended?
Q: Right now we’re focused on getting the team ready for the 2015 season.
July 30, 2015 at 1:16 am #27749znModeratorDon Yee says shift to “destroyed” cell phone was expected
Mike Florio
On the same day that the NFLPA fired back at the NFL in court, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s agent went on the offensive, too.
Don Yee, who made some questionable arguments in the aftermath of the publication of the Ted Wells report, shared plenty of information in a discussion with Tom Curran of CSNNE.com.
“They shifted from PSI to the new shiny object, the cell phone,” Yee said of the ruling upholding the four-game suspension. “We expected this. Because this was the easy way to pivot off the junk science and get off the PSI issue. And we knew that from a newsworthiness standpoint, the general public might be easily fooled. But in the coming days — just like the Wells Report being picked apart after its issuance — the same thing happens with this.”
If Yee knew that the cell phone would become a red herring, it would have been smarter for Yee to get ahead of the notion that “Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone” before the NFL could unleash that mantra in masterful fashion, winning the P.R. battle with a one-punch knockout.
Then again, maybe Yee didn’t take the lead on the topic because he possibly would have been leading with his chin. Consider the explanation from Yee to Curran about what happened with the phone.
“What happened is this,” Yee said. “After Goodell decided to take the appeal and publicly asked for new information, we were under the authority of the actual Commissioner, not private investigators with dubious authority. We decided to provide him with the new information. This was in June. The information that Wells requested covered September 2014 to February 28, 2015. The first thing we did in June was say, ‘Holy cow, do we have a cell phone left from that time period?’ because Tom regularly cycles through phones. We happened to find one and we tested that phone and found it covered the period October through November.
“In a letter to Goodell, we told him that we don’t have any other phones that cover November through March. We believe Tom may have cycled through a phone. We were the ones that disclosed this issue. Meaning that if Tom Brady was trying to hide something, why would we voluntarily disclose that fact? . . .
“It wasn’t until February 28 that Ted Wells’ team sent us an e-mail asking for contents off Tom’s phone. They never asked for the actual device. Ted Wells, in his May 12 press conference actually said that — he emphasized that. They didn’t want the actual device. On March 2, we wrote back to Ted Wells and told him we considered his request for information off the phone and we declined his request. On March 3, they said they hoped we would reconsider. They knew going into the March 6 hearing that they were not going to get the actual device. They knew that.”
So, from Yee’s perspective, it doesn’t matter what Brady did with the phone after March 3, because he wasn’t giving it to Wells as part of the investigation.
“Why did Tom cycle through a phone that week?” Yee said. “It turns out he just got back to the country after taking a trip. Why did he cycle through the phone that week? The iPhone 6 was coming out. [Brady] happened to want a new phone and knew Ted Wells’ team didn’t want the actual device, they only wanted information from the device.”
That’s where Yee’s explanation gets a little wobbly. For starters, the iPhone six came out months before March 2015. (In fairness, it came out in September, so Brady perhaps decided to wait until after the season to get one.) Also, if Wells wanted not the device but the information from it, Brady should have retained the data card.
Yee explained that Brady nevertheless equipped Goodell with the information necessary to reconstruct the text messages.
“We compiled all of Tom’s personal cell phone billing records from his vendor from September through the end of February 2015,” Yee said. “The records detail every incoming and outgoing phone call. Every incoming and outgoing text. We submitted that to the Commissioner. They would then be able to determine were there any other communications with Patriots personnel that were not outlined in the Wells Report. Everything matched up perfectly with the Wells Report with the exception of three texts between Tom and [John] Jastrzemski on February 7, and that was only because Wells had given Jastrzemski’s phone back [on] February 7. As far as any texts prior to the AFC Championship Game, where any alleged scheming would have taken place, Ted Wells would have had any communications between Tom, Jastrzemski and [Jim] McNally. This personal phone billing record compiled by an independent third party shows that he had no communications at all with McNally.
“In an effort to be even more transparent, we decided to offer to the Commissioner to disclose the identities of everyone that Tom communicated with. We said that some of these individuals are NFL-related personnel and that the Commissioner has the power to compel a search of their phone to see if they have texts remaining on their phone from Tom. The Commissioner’s own decision in footnote 11 acknowledges this and says they thought it was impractical to conduct this search. The amount of NFL-related personnel that the league needed to consult, if they so chose, was 28 people. Which is not very many people. And a number of those people they had information from already. Tom texted from December 24 to February 24 these NFL-related personnel. Ten teammates, two current coaches, five former teammates, one NFL Network personnel, five front-office personnel and five other Patriots employees. A number of them, the league had the authority to say, ‘Check your cell phone, we want any text exchanges between you and Tom Brady from that period.’ They chose not to. I don’t know why.”
The answer could be that accepting this offer would rob the NFL of the “Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone” silver bullet, which delivered on Tuesday a conclusive win in the court of public opinion.
But the inevitable pushback has commenced, and this red state/blue state issue will continue to polarize fans until it is finally resolved in court. And beyond.
July 30, 2015 at 5:02 pm #27773nittany ramModerator- This reply was modified 9 years, 5 months ago by nittany ram.
August 2, 2015 at 7:38 pm #27953nittany ramModeratorAugust 2, 2015 at 7:52 pm #27955AgamemnonParticipantAugust 19, 2015 at 11:54 pm #28984znModeratorReports from the NFL’s settlement hearing with Tom Brady are out, and it sounds like the NFL got crushed
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reports-nfls-settlement-hearing-tom-175716170.html
Judge Richard Berman was hard on Roger Goodell and the NFL in court.
The NFL and NFL Players Association had its second settlement hearing in court on Wednesday, and it sounds like it went horribly for the NFL.
Since the NFLPA took the NFL to court over Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, the two sides haven’t made any progress on a settlement.
While Judge Richard Berman, who is overseeing the case, can’t force either side to come to a settlement, he can push in one direction to encourage a settlement, perhaps hinting that he favors one side’s argument.
Based on the reports from Wednesday’s hearing, it sounds like Berman may be pushing the NFL to come to a settlement.
Berman was apparently very critical of the NFL’s argument:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
If Judge Berman was critical of NFL last week, he was even more critical today. Questions of fundamental fairness and evident impartiality.
12:30 PM – 19 Aug 2015Ben Volin @BenVolin
UPDATE: Hearing over after 2:15. No settlement. Judge Berman was very, very critical of NFL. Brady/NFLPA are making a good case
12:23 PM – 19 Aug 2015Berman was reportedly critical of the Wells Report saying Brady was “generally aware” as a way for the NFL to argue Brady was part of the scheme.
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman: “There is a bit of a quantum leap from the finding of Mr. Wells to the finding of Mr. Goodell.” (from general awareness to scheme)
Berman also questioned why the Wells Report didn’t specifically mention January 18, the day of the AFC Championship game against the Colts, when referees found the balls were deflated under regulation:
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Berman wondered why Wells Report was not more specific to January 18th, why Wells didn’t specify. “He’s a smart guy, right?”
12:33 PM – 19 Aug 2015Though, in fairness, the NFL had a good counterargument:
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman: Brady’s “general awareness” described by Wells didn’t refer specifically to AFC championship. Said that was “conspicuously absent.”
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Nash, for NFL, countered that entire Wells Report revolved around that game, so that should be assumed. Berman seemed skeptical.
12:31 PM – 19 Aug 2015 · Manhattan, NY, United StatesAs has been commonly argued against the NFL, Berman was curious as to how and why the NFL chose a four-game suspension for Brady:
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman also wanted to know how Goodell settled on four game suspension.
12:39 PM – 19 Aug 2015 ·Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman: “Which of the four games were for ball tampering and which were for non cooperation?”
12:39 PM – 19 Aug 2015When league lawyer Daniel Nash said he would defer to Roger Goodell on that, saying Goodell weighed all evidence and made a decision, Berman responded:
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Nash again deferred to Goodell’s judgement on that.
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
To which Berman said “I have a little trouble with that.”
Berman was also unhappy with Goodell comparing the situation to a player being on steroids:
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Berman uncomfortable with Goodell’s comparison to steroid suspension “to secure competitive advantage.” Wondered why that comparison used.
12:38 PM – 19 Aug 2015Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman: How did he pick steroid use to explain he suspended Mr. Brady four games?”
Stephen Brown @PPVSRB
Berman: “I don’t see how four games (for deflation, non cooperation) is comparable to using steroids and a masking agent.”
Andrew Brandt @adbrandt
Questions re apportioning 4 games between deflation and non-cooperation. “What if there was deflation and cooperation? How many games?”
12:35 PM – 19 Aug 2015Berman ultimately didn’t side too heavily with Brady, however:
Max Stendahl @MaxLaw360
Judge: “There are enough strengths and weaknesses on both sides..all the more reason why a settlement seems a logical and rational outcome.
As Andrew Brandt mentioned, this could be Berman’s way of pushing the NFL closer to a settlement. Berman doesn’t want to make a decision; he wants to push the sides to come to a settlement. So by grilling the NFL today, he may be pointing out the biggest flaws in their arguments in hopes that they’ll bend a little bit toward Brady and the NFLPA’s side.
Unless the two sides come to a settlement out of court, the next settlement hearing will be August 31 — just two weeks before the regular season begins.
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