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  • #4802
    Winnbrad
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    #4804
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    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m

    RT @mortreport: Rams QB Sam Bradford is out for season after MRI shows he did tear left knee ACL, per sources. Rams will announce later.

    #4805
    Winnbrad
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    This is a bummer. I can’t believe. Damn I hate preseason.

    Well, at least we’ve got some receivers stepping up. Maybe Hill can move the ball.

    #4806
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    This is a bummer. I can’t believe. Damn I hate preseason.

    Well, at least we’ve got some receivers stepping up. Maybe Hill can move the ball.

    They can’t go into next season counting on him. They will need a qb.

    I hope they aren’t going to get silly about it and trade for one now. They will need the picks next year to trade up for one.

    #4807
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    @caplannfl: Shaun Hill is the only QB remaining on the #Rams roster who has started a game (26 in career).

    #4810
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    @caplannfl: Shaun Hill is the only QB remaining on the #Rams roster who has started a game (26 in career).

    Joe, have you noticed yet that we HAVE the game if you want to see it?

    Right here—>

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/the-browns-game-here-w-cleveland-announcers/

    #4812
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    Well, the Rams have rallied around a back up QB before with some success…

    This really sucks though.

    #4813
    PA Ram
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    That sucks!

    Yeah–it’s time to get another QB.

    Sam certainly has talent. But there is no way they can hang their hat on him.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #4814
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    i don’t think they can rely on him at all. they gotta let him go. this is the worst rams news i’ve heard in awhile.

    #4816
    sdram
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    Bummed about Bradford. I’m thinking my mom’s chicken noodle soup, my pony blankey, and my fuzzy brown bunny slippers are all necessities this wonderful day.

    #4817
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    i don’t think they can rely on him at all. they gotta let him go. this is the worst rams news i’ve heard in awhile.

    They might let him go in the end, but, why? Next year is his last year. You bring in a new qb and see what you have.

    If they kept Saffold and Long they are going to keep Bradford.

    #4818
    PA Ram
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    I think they’ll keep him but they will look for a starter–a young guy–in the draft and, as you said, next year is his last year. At best he will placehold the position for the rookie they’ll bring in. They certainly won’t give him big money now. He is no longer their guy. They have no choice but to move on in terms of the future. I don’t know if they save anything by letting him go at the end of this year–unless it’s a significant cap move.

    Otherwise, they will hope that Hill can do a bit more than Clemens did. Davis has to be the back-up for now, unless they bring in another vet. Some interesting choices ahead.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #4819
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    well yeah. they’ll keep him for that last year. i didn’t mean literally drop him from the team. but he’s done. next season should be his farewell season.

    i don’t care if he even has a good season. he’s just an injury waiting to happen at this point. draft a quarterback in 2015. don’t look back. hopefully, he can catch on somewhere else.

    #4820
    HighPlainsDrifter
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    Well, it was a fun season while it lasted. Oh, wait. It hasn’t started yet. Feel really bad for the vets on the team. Another precious season likely to go by the wayside. Really, 8-8 might be one of the great coaching jobs in recent years. And I’m not against them going after a vet. Waiting for a rookie draft pick next season only means two or three more seasons of waiting for development. I can’t see that happening, nor would I necessarily want to see it happen.

    #4821
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    the guy barely got hit. i mean. no ill will toward sam. these things happen. but he’s just not durable. i don’t see how the rams give him another contract at all.

    #4822
    Mackeyser
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    Sonufa….

    I don’t know why, but I have a very good feeling about Shaun Hill, tho…

    Just sayin… I’m not counting us out, yet.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #4824
    HighPlainsDrifter
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    Shaun might play some good football, but the field just shrunk considerably. Running the ball is going to be a real challenge, as I suspect defenses are going to dare Hill to throw it over top of them.

    #4825
    PA Ram
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    Back-ups CAN win Superbowls.

    Tom Brady
    Kurt Warner
    Trent Dilfer
    Doug Williams
    Jeff Hostetler
    Jim Plunkett
    Earl Morrall

    It CAN and DOES happen.

    Keep the faith.

    http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/09000d5d824fceed

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by PA Ram.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #4827
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    the guy barely got hit. i mean. no ill will toward sam. these things happen. but he’s just not durable. i don’t see how the rams give him another contract at all.

    I don’t think it’s a matter of getting hit. In fact in that series before that play, and in the previous 2 series against GB, he got hit a few times.

    That one, the one that got him, was an odd angled effort at a tackle that put stress on the knee.

    If that kind of tackle were common, every qb in the league would have hyper-extended knees.

    That’s just about that one play though. In general, that one play aside, I agree that you have to consider new options when you have a player who (by the end of 2014) will have missed 34 of 64 games since 2011.

    Because put stress on the knee in that particular way, and stuff happens to the knee. No matter who you are.

    #4828
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    i didn’t see anything out of the ordinary with that hit. i think most qbs don’t injure themselves on a play like that because most qbs aren’t injury prone like sam is.

    #4829
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    i didn’t see anything out of the ordinary with that hit. i think most qbs don’t injure themselves on a play like that because most qbs aren’t injury prone like sam is.

    IR, I promise you, that’s exactly what I see. Bryant tackled him high and the knee got put in an awkward position. That’s not “not being able to take a hit”–Bradford had taken a couple of big hits before that already, both in that game and in the GB game.

    You put a knee in that position with the lineman hanging on him that way, it gets hurt. Usually, probably, hyperextended.

    #4831
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    i don’t care if he’s taken big hits. big hits is not what i’m talking about. shoot i can get in a car crash and walk away from it. stress is put on the knees and joints all the time in football. his ligaments. the ones that hold his shoulders, knees, ankles, and whatever else together. they just can’t take the stress of an nfl game. it’s not about awkward hits anymore. four times in five years? it’s not just about bad luck anymore. he’s injury prone. it might not happen on the next hit or the hit after that. but at some point. he’s gonna break something again.

    #4833
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    i don’t care if he’s taken big hits. big hits is not what i’m talking about. shoot i can get in a car crash and walk away from it. stress is put on the knees and joints all the time in football. his ligaments. the ones that hold his shoulders, knees, ankles, and whatever else together. they just can’t take the stress of an nfl game. it’s not about awkward hits anymore. four times in five years? it’s not just about bad luck anymore. he’s injury prone. it might not happen on the next hit or the hit after that. but at some point. he’s gonna break something again.

    I know, but this is just where we disagree–what I saw in that play was not stress being put on a knee in a way you see every game…I saw a freak combo of things that would have hyperextended any qb’s knee.

    That’s just where we disagree.

    Anyway, 2 things.

    1. I am not arguing for not getting another qb…you can’t count on a qb who by the end of 2014 will have played only 30 of 64 games since 2011. I think they will get another qb after the season and see what they have with both. So our view of the injury has nothing to do with my views of what they should do at qb. I just see the play differently than you do. I have hyperextended my knees before, more than once…and when I watch the replay of that I just wince. Hurting a knee is bad, and what I see is an inevitable injury on that play, a freak play.

    2. I put up a vid of the play if anyone wants to see what they think

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/heres-a-short-vid-of-the-injury/

    #4839
    PA Ram
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    I will say that if Jake Long doesn’t play better they might as well start a line of discarded QBs outside Rams Park. They’ll need them.

    Say it with me now: TE-BOW.

    Just kidding.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #4840
    HighPlainsDrifter
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    I think we can be relatively certain Tebow won’t get hurt.

    #4841
    SunTzu_vs_Camus
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    They might let him go in the end, but, why? Next year is his last year.
    You bring in a new qb and see what you have.
    If they kept Saffold and Long they are going to keep Bradford.

    I think Bradford is a very good QB that just started to have an offense around him.
    2 ACLs is a nasty bit of luck…but ZN is right, we own him for another year.
    We draft a QB high and let them both duke it out…winner stays and so does the loser if Sam beats out the young QB and plays great..
    we keep both cuz the QB will be very cheap…but we’ll have our bases covered.

    I want Sam…still do especially after watching him throw downfield to WRs that caught the ball. We were ready for a helluva fireworks show. We can still be successful. It’s a team game….and Sam is still a part of this team. He should re-negotiate his contract, but if he doesn’t do you think a QB hungry team would pay him 15mil + incentives to come to them??? I sure do.
    Sam is head & shoulders better than most QBs out there. imo of course.

    Let’s keep Sam for his last year and draft a kid for cheap. I’ll bet Sam may even renegotiate for cheap too after this season and put much into incentives…or maybe not. LOl

    I just really liked Sam finally throwing downfield like a freakin monster…
    and Quick & Britt…out fighting the ball for the catch!!!

    "I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
    Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."
    #4863
    Hram
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    Fuck!!!

    That bites big time.

    Damnit!

    7-9 here we come.

    crap, shit, piss, fuck, damn.

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    #4864
    rfl
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    Guys, I’ve always liked Sam a lot. I’ve defended him and figured he got lots of unfair, bad raps.

    But.

    2 ACLs on one knee?

    In my view he is toast. He’s toast in this sense:

    There is no way to trust him to remain healthy. No way.

    Look, here’s my sense of how they went into this year. They were firm in seeing this as Sam’s offense. Very firm.

    However, they were wondering about his health. He has not been robust going all the way back to college. They were wondering if they could really trust him with a whole season. That’s why they were flirting with thoughts of Manziel.

    OK, what about next year? Well, there is no way they can simply put the offense in Sam’s hands. He has played, what, 6.5 games in 2 years? 2 ACLs in one knee? There is absolutely no way to count on him for a significant number of games next year, much less a whole season.

    Now, I am not calling on the team to dump him. I’d be happy to see them give him another year to compete, as guys are saying. But they CANNOT go into next year without having another viable option as a starting QB. Vet or young guy? I dunno. But they absolutely cannot put the team in his hands for next year.

    It’s very, very sad for me. But in my view, he is more or less finished as a starting QB.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #4865
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    I’d be happy to see them give him another year to compete, as guys are saying. But they CANNOT go into next year without having another viable option as a starting QB.

    Myself? I pretty much take all of that as a given. I think that’s just what’s going to happen.

    #4868
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yeah. i can’t think of another starting qb with the injury history this guy has had who’s made it.

    alex smith?

    he had a shoulder injury which they chose not to do surgery on. they finally decided to have surgery on it when they realized it wouldn’t heal on its own.

    then he had to have a second shoulder surgery. mind you this was not necessarily contact related rather it was related to a wire they had left from the first surgery.

    besides that he blew out his knee.

    bradford has had three major ligament injuries. he had an ankle injury which still hadn’t healed going into the next season i believe.

    and i’m just taking a guess at this. but my guess is one ligament tear is bad enough. the prognosis for a SECOND tear on the SAME ligament. my guess is the prognosis takes a huge dip.

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