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August 24, 2020 at 2:29 pm #119900znModerator
Black man shot multiple times by Wisconsin police; video of incident sparks social media backlash, protests
https://news.yahoo.com/officer-involved-shooting-wisconsin-captured-033521744.html
The shooting of a Black man by Wisconsin police on Sunday night was captured on video, sparking immediate social media backlash, protests and a state Department of Justice investigation.
Police deployed tear gas early Monday in an effort to disperse hundreds of people who took to the streets following the incident.
Officers from Kenosha Police Department responded to a domestic incident shortly after 5 p.m. and “were involved in an officer involved shooting,” KPD said in a news release. The man who was shot, identified by Gov. Tony Evers as Jacob Blake, was airlifted to a Milwaukee hospital and in serious condition, police said.
On Twitter, Evers said he and his wife are hoping for Blake’s recovery.
“While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country,” Evers wrote on Twitter.
In a statement early Monday, Wisconsin DOJ said the officers involved in the shooting had been placed on administrative leave. The state’s Division of Criminal Investigation is heading up an investigation into the shooting and will seek to “provide a report of the incident to the prosecutor within 30 days,” according to the statement.
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The statement provided by the state’s DOJ does not identify the officers. It also doesn’t indicate why officers confronted Blake at the scene.
“DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office,” DOJ said its statement. ” All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation.”
The incident almost immediately set off unrest in the city about 40 miles south of Milwaukee.
Kenosha County declared an emergency curfew for 10:15 p.m. Sunday, saying in a news release, “The public needs to be off the streets for their safety.” The curfew is in effect until 7 a.m. Monday.
A crowd of about 100 people had reached the Kenosha County Public Safety Building by 10:15 p.m. and were chanting “no justice, no peace.” A line of police flanked the building and faced off with the crowd, moving them away from the building.
Police later set off tear gas canisters, scattering the crowd.
At 11:15 p.m., a city dump truck that had been positioned to prevent traffic from heading toward the police department was fully engulfed in fire. Some people were getting close to take pictures until someone shouted that the gas tank could blow.
By midnight, the crowd had dwindled to a few hundred people who stood in the square next to the courthouse watching city dump trucks go up in flames. A big boom sounded when one of the tires blew up, dispersing the crowd once again.
The police department’s release offered little additional information, but graphic video circulating on social media showed a man being shot multiple times. Video shows a Blake, walking toward a car and being followed by an officer who has a weapon drawn.
Blake opens the car door and reaches into the vehicle and an officer tugs on his shirt. At least seven gunshots can be heard in the video, followed by a car horn. Two officers can be seen in the video near the car; it is unclear what happened before the video was recorded.
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KPD said “officers provided immediate aid” to the person who was shot. The video circulating online cuts away shortly after the shooting.
Benjamin Crump, a civil rights attorney who is representing the family of George Floyd, a Black man who died at the knee of a fired Minneapolis police officer on Memorial Day, shared a video from the incident on Twitter. He also said Blake’s three sons were in the car.
“They saw a cop shoot their father,” Crump tweeted. “They will be traumatized forever. We cannot let officers violate their duty to PROTECT us. Our kids deserve better!!”
After invoking the names of other Black people killed by police, Evers added, “We stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites.”
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Bernice King, the daughter of Martin Luther King Jr., tweeted late Sunday night, in apparent reference to the shooting, “We shouldn’t have to see one more video of a Black human being brutalized and/or gunned down by police in a clear case of excessive or unwarranted force.”
August 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm #119901znModerator
August 24, 2020 at 7:09 pm #119916znModeratorfrom Facebook
Marla Rose
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In 1998, I was arrested in Kenosha, WI. It’s a long, complicated story that I don’t want to focus on because it’s not the point of this post, but just to say I was arrested doing non-violent activism at a rodeo protest. Basically, I was holding a cattle prod to show media what they use at the rodeo and I was arrested for “threatening people with a stun gun.” It was 24-hours in jail and I was out. (I had a long and expensive legal fight afterwards because – go me! – I got charged with a felony the very first time I was arrested.)
My point is, though, as a white woman, I have some experience with the Kenosha police and justice system. As a white woman, though, I had only the merest of glimpses, practically just as an observer.
Today, we are learning more about the horrific shooting of an unarmed Black man, Jacob Blake, in front of his three children in Kenosha. He is now fighting for his life. What happened to him is very different from my experience, but my little lens into the criminal justice system there absolutely corroborates what a nightmare BIPOC face at the hands of the Kenosha police.
Here are some of the things I learned from my experience in Kenosha.
• They had something like a 95% conviction rate when I was “in the system”. I was told by multiple Chicago lawyers that Kenosha was a “black hole” even in an already unjust legal system. If you got arrested there, it was going to stick, especially if you couldn’t afford good legal representation.
• Every single other person in my cellblock was Black or Latina, this despite the fact that Black and Latinx people make up less than 13% of the population of Kenosha.
• The guards (all white) treated me like absolute garbage, so I can only imagine how BIPOC are treated. All they know how to do is bark at people and be as mean as possible. Like literally the lights were on all night and they were having some big, loud celebration that reverberated through the cellblock to the point where it sounded like it was piped in just to be cruel. All night long.
• When one woman in the cell was transferred to prison, the others in the cellblock were high-fiving and congratulating her. I thought this was odd. It turns out it’s moving up to go from jail to prison. You have more resources. (At least that was how it was explained to me.) Many people in my block who’d been there for months were sleeping two to a room designed for one.
• When I was released the next afternoon, I saw resignation in the eyes of the women I came to know and like in my short time there. It seemed like they were saying, “Of course she’s going. She’s white.” Resignation and disgust.
• I got to move on with my life. I never thought for a second that getting arrested for a non-violent offense in Kenosha – or anywhere – could be a life-or-death matter for me. At most, it’s an interesting story. At most honest, though, it reveals just how entrenched racism is at a core, structural level.
To this day, when we drive through Kenosha, even just from the expressway, I get panicky and I don’t feel calm until we leave the city limits. Now imagine if the whole world were Kenosha, if the whole world represented a police force that could easily imprison or kill you without a second thought, a justice system that was almost guaranteed to fail you.
People are rioting in Kenosha now. A state of emergency curfew has been declared. It only makes sense. This is criminal, it is racist and it has been going on far too long. No wonder people are past the breaking point.
Kenosha to me represents the whole country to BIPOC on steroids. It is unfair, it is unjust and it is absolutely lethal.August 24, 2020 at 7:10 pm #119917znModeratorfrom Facebook
Marla Rose
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In 1998, I was arrested in Kenosha, WI. It’s a long, complicated story that I don’t want to focus on because it’s not the point of this post, but just to say I was arrested doing non-violent activism at a rodeo protest. Basically, I was holding a cattle prod to show media what they use at the rodeo and I was arrested for “threatening people with a stun gun.” It was 24-hours in jail and I was out. (I had a long and expensive legal fight afterwards because – go me! – I got charged with a felony the very first time I was arrested.)
My point is, though, as a white woman, I have some experience with the Kenosha police and justice system. As a white woman, though, I had only the merest of glimpses, practically just as an observer.
Today, we are learning more about the horrific shooting of an unarmed Black man, Jacob Blake, in front of his three children in Kenosha. He is now fighting for his life. What happened to him is very different from my experience, but my little lens into the criminal justice system there absolutely corroborates what a nightmare BIPOC face at the hands of the Kenosha police.
Here are some of the things I learned from my experience in Kenosha.
• They had something like a 95% conviction rate when I was “in the system”. I was told by multiple Chicago lawyers that Kenosha was a “black hole” even in an already unjust legal system. If you got arrested there, it was going to stick, especially if you couldn’t afford good legal representation.
• Every single other person in my cellblock was Black or Latina, this despite the fact that Black and Latinx people make up less than 13% of the population of Kenosha.
• The guards (all white) treated me like absolute garbage, so I can only imagine how BIPOC are treated. All they know how to do is bark at people and be as mean as possible. Like literally the lights were on all night and they were having some big, loud celebration that reverberated through the cellblock to the point where it sounded like it was piped in just to be cruel. All night long.
• When one woman in the cell was transferred to prison, the others in the cellblock were high-fiving and congratulating her. I thought this was odd. It turns out it’s moving up to go from jail to prison. You have more resources. (At least that was how it was explained to me.) Many people in my block who’d been there for months were sleeping two to a room designed for one.
• When I was released the next afternoon, I saw resignation in the eyes of the women I came to know and like in my short time there. It seemed like they were saying, “Of course she’s going. She’s white.” Resignation and disgust.
• I got to move on with my life. I never thought for a second that getting arrested for a non-violent offense in Kenosha – or anywhere – could be a life-or-death matter for me. At most, it’s an interesting story. At most honest, though, it reveals just how entrenched racism is at a core, structural level.
To this day, when we drive through Kenosha, even just from the expressway, I get panicky and I don’t feel calm until we leave the city limits. Now imagine if the whole world were Kenosha, if the whole world represented a police force that could easily imprison or kill you without a second thought, a justice system that was almost guaranteed to fail you.
People are rioting in Kenosha now. A state of emergency curfew has been declared. It only makes sense. This is criminal, it is racist and it has been going on far too long. No wonder people are past the breaking point.
Kenosha to me represents the whole country to BIPOC on steroids. It is unfair, it is unjust and it is absolutely lethal.August 24, 2020 at 7:10 pm #119918znModeratorfrom Facebook
Marla Rose
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In 1998, I was arrested in Kenosha, WI. It’s a long, complicated story that I don’t want to focus on because it’s not the point of this post, but just to say I was arrested doing non-violent activism at a rodeo protest. Basically, I was holding a cattle prod to show media what they use at the rodeo and I was arrested for “threatening people with a stun gun.” It was 24-hours in jail and I was out. (I had a long and expensive legal fight afterwards because – go me! – I got charged with a felony the very first time I was arrested.)
My point is, though, as a white woman, I have some experience with the Kenosha police and justice system. As a white woman, though, I had only the merest of glimpses, practically just as an observer.
Today, we are learning more about the horrific shooting of an unarmed Black man, Jacob Blake, in front of his three children in Kenosha. He is now fighting for his life. What happened to him is very different from my experience, but my little lens into the criminal justice system there absolutely corroborates what a nightmare BIPOC face at the hands of the Kenosha police.
Here are some of the things I learned from my experience in Kenosha.
• They had something like a 95% conviction rate when I was “in the system”. I was told by multiple Chicago lawyers that Kenosha was a “black hole” even in an already unjust legal system. If you got arrested there, it was going to stick, especially if you couldn’t afford good legal representation.
• Every single other person in my cellblock was Black or Latina, this despite the fact that Black and Latinx people make up less than 13% of the population of Kenosha.
• The guards (all white) treated me like absolute garbage, so I can only imagine how BIPOC are treated. All they know how to do is bark at people and be as mean as possible. Like literally the lights were on all night and they were having some big, loud celebration that reverberated through the cellblock to the point where it sounded like it was piped in just to be cruel. All night long.
• When one woman in the cell was transferred to prison, the others in the cellblock were high-fiving and congratulating her. I thought this was odd. It turns out it’s moving up to go from jail to prison. You have more resources. (At least that was how it was explained to me.) Many people in my block who’d been there for months were sleeping two to a room designed for one.
• When I was released the next afternoon, I saw resignation in the eyes of the women I came to know and like in my short time there. It seemed like they were saying, “Of course she’s going. She’s white.” Resignation and disgust.
• I got to move on with my life. I never thought for a second that getting arrested for a non-violent offense in Kenosha – or anywhere – could be a life-or-death matter for me. At most, it’s an interesting story. At most honest, though, it reveals just how entrenched racism is at a core, structural level.
To this day, when we drive through Kenosha, even just from the expressway, I get panicky and I don’t feel calm until we leave the city limits. Now imagine if the whole world were Kenosha, if the whole world represented a police force that could easily imprison or kill you without a second thought, a justice system that was almost guaranteed to fail you.
People are rioting in Kenosha now. A state of emergency curfew has been declared. It only makes sense. This is criminal, it is racist and it has been going on far too long. No wonder people are past the breaking point.
Kenosha to me represents the whole country to BIPOC on steroids. It is unfair, it is unjust and it is absolutely lethal.August 24, 2020 at 9:34 pm #119922znModeratorThe police shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black Wisconsin father, explained
The shooting put Blake in serious condition and launched a night of civil unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin.https://www.vox.com/2020/8/24/21399690/jacob-blake-police-shooting-wisconsin
A police officer shot Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old Black man, in the back seven times in Kenosha, Wisconsin — a city 40 miles south of Milwaukee — on Sunday evening.
A video circulating on social media, which has now been viewed more than 5 million times, captured the incident, showing Blake being shot at close range as he attempted to enter a vehicle.
On Monday, the Wisconsin Department of Justice released a statement saying the shooting occurred as Kenosha officers were responding to a reported domestic incident. It is unclear who was involved in the domestic dispute and how Blake is connected to it, and available video offers little evidence about what took place in the minutes before the shooting. Blake was taken to a Milwaukee hospital, where he remained in serious condition Monday.
The officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave. The state Justice Department is leading an investigation into the incident alongside Wisconsin State Patrol and the Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. The state DOJ says it will submit its findings to a prosecutor within 30 days, who will determine whether to press any charges.
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers addressed the shooting in a statement Sunday, writing, “While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.”
National figures have offered their thoughts as well. Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden responded to the shooting on Monday afternoon. “The nation wakes up yet again with grief and outrage that yet another Black American is a victim of excessive force. This calls for an immediate, full and transparent investigation and the officers must be held accountable,” Biden said. “These shots pierce the soul of our nation.”
The shooting comes amid ongoing demonstrations against police brutality and protests advocating for Black Americans, like George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, who have been killed at the hands of police officers.
International protests erupted in late May after Floyd was killed by a police officer in Minneapolis, and Blake’s shooting set off demonstrations in Kenosha late Sunday night as large crowds of protesters gathered outside of a local police precinct and courthouse, demanding that the police officers be held accountable for the shooting.
Videos on social media showed protests that included garbage trucks being set on fire, windows of buildings at and near the courthouse being smashed, and crowds clashing with police dressed in riot gear. Other accounts show that an entire car lot and building were burned down during the night. This activity prompted county officials to institute a curfew until 7 am Monday.
As protests carry on, about 125 members of the Wisconsin National Guard are also expected to be deployed in Kenosha on Monday evening, the governor said at an afternoon press conference. The county has set a curfew from 8 pm Monday until 7 am Tuesday and plans to use the military officials to protect city infrastructure from vandalism and looting after Evers declared a state of emergency.
Blake’s shooting only sharpens the calls of protesters who say Americans must continue to take to the streets to fight the harmful cycle of police brutality. The protests have put pressure on lawmakers across the country to defund the police. However, in Wisconsin, where there have been several high-profile police shootings of Black men in recent years, lawmakers are already pushing back on a package of police reforms.
Police were called to the scene of a domestic incident at 5:11 pm on Sunday in the Wilson Heights neighborhood of Kenosha, according to a police report. It is unclear who made the call to police.
Before the shooting occurred, Blake was trying to break up a “verbal altercation” between two women just after 5 pm, several witnesses told Kenosha News. Witnesses also told the publication that Blake was unarmed. Officials have not yet confirmed these details.
In the video of the incident, Blake can be seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts. The video starts with Blake walking around the front a gray van, coming from the passenger’s side, and heading toward the driver’s side. Four officers are visible at the beginning of the video; two of them follow closely behind Blake.
The two officers have their firearms pointed at Blake’s back. Many people can be heard yelling. As Blake opens the driver-side door, one officer snatches the tail end of Blake’s tank top. It stretches out as Blake attempts to enter the vehicle; seven shots are fired at Blake’s back. It is unclear whether the second officer fired any shots. The van’s horn blares, the officer continues to hold on to Blake’s shirt, and a woman screams at the side of the vehicle where Blake was shot. One of the officers pushes the woman away, and the 19-second video comes to an end.
Police officers said in a statement that Blake received immediate aid and was airlifted to the hospital in Milwaukee.
On Monday, Jacob Blake’s family retained civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump, who also represents the family of George Floyd. According to a statement from Crump, Blake was shot by police in front of his three young sons, who were inside the vehicle.
“We all watched the horrific video of Jacob Blake being shot in the back several times by Kenosha police,” Crump said in the statement. “Even worse, his three sons witnessed their father collapse after being riddled with bullets. Their irresponsible, reckless, and inhumane actions nearly cost the life of a man who was simply trying to do the right thing by intervening in a domestic incident. It’s a miracle he’s still alive.”
According to Kenosha News, city officers and sheriff’s deputies do not wear body cameras. The police department has not responded to Vox’s request for comment on the incident.
A night of unrest in a region where police shootings aren’t uncommon
On Sunday evening, crowds of people arrived at the scene of the incident to protest Blake’s shooting. Later in the night, protesters confronted police officers who carried batons and dressed in riot gear.The protests continued those that began after Floyd’s death and underscored the fact that police shootings of unarmed Black civilians are not new occurrences in Wisconsin, a state in which Black people make up just 6.7 percent of the population. According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Milwaukee region has been home to a number of high-profile police shootings — particularly of Black and Latinx men — in the past two decades in which officers were not charged. One of the victims, 22-year-old Adam Trammell, died in 2017 after officers from the West Milwaukee Police Department broke down the door of his apartment and repeatedly tased him as he showered.
The 2019 police shooting of Ty’Rese West in Racine County, just north of Kenosha County, also resulted in no charges against the police. A police sergeant stopped West one evening for not having the proper lights on his bicycle. A struggle ensued after the sergeant thought West had a gun. The incident ended when the sergeant fatally shot West. The death sparked protests across Racine County, and West’s family has not stopped issuing calls for justice.
Years of grassroots organizing after the police shooting of 21-year-old Kenosha County resident Michael Bell in 2004 led to the passing of a Milwaukee law in 2014 that prevents police officers from conducting their own investigations of officer-involved shootings. As in Blake’s case, an outside law enforcement body must step in to lead the investigation.
But in the wake of George Floyd’s death, criminal justice reform advocates have argued that law doesn’t go far enough, and protesters have demanded state legislators make changes to the criminal justice system. Some local officials across the state responded to these demands by terminating school district contracts with police officers. In June, Evers announced a legislative package that included banning chokeholds and no-knock warrants, adding the requirement that officers take deescalation training, and putting $1 million in grants toward community-based anti-violence programs, according to Wisconsin Public Radio.
However, lawmakers likely won’t take a vote on any of the proposals until next year. And the package of bills from the state’s Democratic governor has received little support from the Republican lawmakers who control the state’s legislature. On Monday, Republican Assembly Speaker Robin Vos called the governor’s package “liberal policies that will only deepen the divisions in our state.”
Evers has used Blake’s shooting to call for a renewed focus on race and policing in his state, saying in a statement Sunday, “We stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites. … In the coming days, we will demand just that of elected officials in our state who have failed to recognize the racism in our state and our country for far too long.”
But the governor’s statement — and currently proposed initiatives — have garnered pushback. Pete Deates, president of the union representing Kenosha police officers, denounced the governor’s statement, calling it “wholly irresponsible and not reflective of the hardworking members of the law enforcement community.” Deates asked that people “withhold judgment” about the shooting and let the investigation “play out fairly and impartially.”
Protesters in Kenosha and across the country are still demanding systemic change. Michael Bell Sr., the father of shooting victim Michael Bell, told the New York Times following the shooting of Blake, “The system is broken. The system here is broken.”
August 25, 2020 at 8:54 am #119982znModeratorJonathan Lemire@JonLemire
KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Father of a Black man shot by Kenosha, Wisconsin, police tells Chicago Sun-Times that son is paralyzed from waist down.Olayemi, Esq.@msolurin
Jacob Blake wasn’t committing any crime. Instead of asking why he didn’t comply, ask why an officer who was called to the scene for 2 white women fighting somehow shifted his attention to this Black man, drew his gun on him, and shot him 7 times in the back.For the record: original reports were stating that officers were called to the scene for 2 white women fighting + recent reporting has just stated women fighting, no specification as to race. Regardless, the question remains. He shouldn’t have become a focus + we know why he did
Jacob Blake wasn’t committing any crime. Instead of asking why he didn’t comply, ask why an officer who was called to the scene for 2 white women fighting somehow shifted his attention to this Black man, drew his gun on him, and shot him 7 times in the back.
There was no reason for an officer to be stopping him, there was no reason for a gun to be drawn on him, there was no reason he should’ve been given orders to have to comply with.
August 25, 2020 at 7:07 pm #120009znModeratorAnd remember – Jacob Blake was shot 7-times in the back – in front of his children… #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/ZQqNVbTKGg
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) August 25, 2020
August 26, 2020 at 1:45 pm #120039znModerator3 Shot, 2 Fatally, In Kenosha, Wis., As Protests Continue Over Police Shooting
Three people were shot, two fatally, during protests Tuesday night in Kenosha, Wis., over Sunday’s police shooting of Jacob Blake.
In a statement, the Kenosha Police Department confirmed two people had been shot and killed and one shot with non-life-threatening injuries. No further details were released.
Earlier, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth told the Kenosha News newspaper that at least one man opened fire on protesters with a long gun. Beth said both the shooter and one of the people killed were white males, though he could not say whether the person killed was an adult.
The third night of protests began peacefully with most protesters dispersing after the city’s 8 p.m. CT curfew. Wisconsin Public Radio reporter Rachael Vasquez said a small group of protesters arrived later and threw objects at police.
The Kenosha News reported scuffles that did not result in gunfire took place between armed men and a group of Black Lives Matter protesters.
The Kenosha Police Department said the shooting occurred about 11:45 p.m. CT.
The protests began Sunday evening after a Kenosha police officer shot Blake seven times in the back during an encounter. Blake, who is Black, is said by his family to be partially paralyzed and is hospitalized in serious condition.
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The #Kenosha shooter openly collaborating with the police earlier.
The police say “Thank you” to him and his other militia buddy, and offer him water. pic.twitter.com/chUjteQwdN
— Friendly Antifa Union Rep (@savantifa) August 26, 2020
Here, a militia member says cops told them they would "push" the protestors towards them because they knew they could handle them. pic.twitter.com/S6lzmJfOJe
— Rebecca Kavanagh (@DrRJKavanagh) August 26, 2020
August 26, 2020 at 2:50 pm #120040znModeratorA 17-Year-Old Aspiring Cop Has Been Charged With Murder In Kenosha
Police arrested Kyle Rittenhouse, a onetime police cadet, whose social media accounts indicated an affinity for the “Back the Blue” movement.A 17-year-old aspiring cop has been arrested and charged with first-degree murder for his alleged role in a shooting during a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Tuesday night that left two dead and one injured.
The suspect was identified as Kyle Rittenhouse, of Lake County, Illinois. Prosecutors in Lake County filed the charges at noon Wednesday, and labelled him a fugitive who “fled the state of Wisconsin with intent to avoid prosecution for that offense.”
Tuesday was the third consecutive night of angry protests in Kenosha since police shot Jacob Blake, a Black man, leaving him paralyzed.
Rittenhouse, clad in a green t-shirt, a cap emblazoned with an American flag, and carrying an assault rifle, was seen on video at various points of the night. In several graphic videos, he’s seen opening fire on protesters; one was shot in the head, another in the chest. The victim who survived was shot in the arm.
While it’s not immediately clear why Rittenhouse, a former police cadet, was at the protest, his social media indicates an affiliation with “Back the Blue,” a pro-police movement. In recent months, pro-cop vigilantes have been showing up heavily armed at protests across the country to defend public property, often warmly received by local law enforcement.
Police interacted with the alleged gunman at various locations in Kenosha throughout the night. In one video, Rittenhouse is seen chatting with police who gave him a bottle of water and thanked him for being there.
He was also seen in the vicinity of a group of armed militiamen, who had tasked themselves with protecting a gas station from damage. Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth acknowledged their presence in an interview with Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, but said he wasn’t sure if the suspected shooter was affiliated with them.
The shooting started around 11.30 p.m., hours after the curfew, when a heated confrontation broke out between protesters and the militia men near the gas station. Around that same time, gunshots rang out by an auto-body shop, a few blocks away.
Video shows a group of people running down the street, including the man in the green t-shirt who appears to be being chased. He and his pursuer briefly disappear behind parked cars and then gunshots are heard. “He’s got a gun, he shot him,” the person recording the video is heard saying. Other videos from the scene suggest that there may have been additional gunfire from another direction.
Video shows protesters surrounding the victim, who is lying on the ground between two cars. Multiple people are using their phones as flashlights, trying to figure out where he’s been shot. “In his head, in his head — put pressure on it — put pressure, come on,” one woman says, while holding his head near a bullet wound and telling him “keep your eyes open.”
Video from another angle shows the man in the green t-shirt standing there, on the phone. “I’ve just killed somebody,” he says into his phone, as he starts to move away.
Soon after, another video shows a crowd chasing the suspect down the street. “What did he do?” someone asks. “He shot someone!” someone else replies. The man appears to trip and fall. Two protesters run towards him, he sits up and shoots them both. One person lies motionless in the street. “Medic!” someone in the crowd cries out.
That victim survived and was seen later being treated for a bullet wound in his arm.
The apparent shooter, meanwhile, was seen on video walking away from the scene — his AR-style rifle clearly visible, his hands above his head. But Kenosha police who were responding to the reports of gunfire showed no interest in arresting or even questioning the man.
Instead, they asked him for directions. “Is someone injured, straight ahead?” an officer asks him via loudspeaker.
“Get out of the road,” said another.
He even approached an idling police car, going up close to the window, but then appeared to change his mind and walked away.
Brent Ford, 24, a photographer, witnessed the entire scene. “He had his hands up and they told him to get out of there, even though everyone was yelling that he was the shooter,” Ford told VICE News. “The police didn’t seem to hear or care what the crowd was saying.”
Ford said many in the crowd were armed — not just the militiamen who were standing guard outside a nearby gas station. For example, members of the Socialist Rifle Association, an armed leftist gun group, were present. Other protesters had pistols in holsters. “I had kinda gotten the feeling the police were overwhelmed and didn’t really know what they were doing most of the night,” said Ford.
Ford had also observed that the militiamen seen earlier appeared to be getting special treatment from the police. “One of the police in the Bearcat was yelling over the LRAD [a speaker system] for everyone, press and protesters to disperse,” said Ford. “I noticed that group of armed, I guess militia or citizens, at the gas station behind the police lines weren’t getting told to leave the area, and it kind of struck me as weird.”
The shooter has meanwhile been hailed as a “hero” by the far-right. “That boy is a patriot,” one person wrote on the imageboard 4chan. “Well he became a man today, that’s for sure,” another commented.
August 26, 2020 at 4:52 pm #120044znModeratorThe Police Chief of Kenosha says: 17yr old white male took AR-15 to a protest, to resolve the issues. This is an ABSURD and DANGEROUS for him to say. 😡😡😡 https://t.co/jSJZvVLbUQ
— shannon sharpe (@ShannonSharpe) August 26, 2020
August 26, 2020 at 5:13 pm #120045wvParticipantShannon has certainly done some good work on the tee-vee.
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August 27, 2020 at 3:29 am #120056znModeratorKenosha Police Chief Blames Protesters for Their Own Deaths, Defends Vigilante Groups
On Wednesday, 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse was arrested in Illinois on charges of first-degree murder after allegedly shooting and killing two protesters the night before during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in response to the shooting of Jacob Blake earlier this week.
During the Kenosha Police Department’s first press conference in response to the Blake shooting and subsequent protests, Chief Daniel Miskinis blamed the unidentified victims in Tuesday night’s shooting for their own deaths, saying the violence was the result of the “persons” involved violating curfew:
Persons who were out after the curfew became engaged in some type of disturbance, and persons were shot. Everybody involved was out after the curfew. I’m not going to make a great deal of that, but the point is the curfew is in place to protect. Had persons not been out involved in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened.
“It is the persons who were involved after the legal time, involved in illegal activity, that brought violence to this community,” Miskinis added later, seeming to blame protesters who were on the streets because a member of Miskinis’ department, who was identified late on Wednesday as Officer Rusten Sheskey, shot Blake seven times in the back as his children watched. *
Miskinis would not give the names of the “persons” who were the victims of Wednesday’s murders, but did say they were “a 26-year-old Silver Lake resident and a 36-year-old Kenosha resident.”
In describing the shooting of two protesters, Miskinis also declined to call it a homicide and instead referred to it by various euphemisms often used to describe killings by a police officer, which Rittenhouse is not. He said that the shooter “was involved in the use of firearms to resolve whatever conflict was in place” and that there was a “disturbance that led to the use of deadly force.”
Additionally, Miskinis refused to comment on the video of Blake’s shooting, but offered that there may have been a reasonable explanation for the man being shot seven times in the back, which has reportedly left him paralyzed and in critical condition. (The officer has been put on administrative leave and has not been fired or arrested.)
“I’m not going to address that because it is one snippet of a very large situation and much as what’s happened across this nation for a long period of time, it’s focused on what you see in this much of an incident,” Miskinis said, apparently alluding to other police shootings of unarmed Black men. “It’s unfair to everybody involved, whether you’re the person using force or the person being arrested that the picture isn’t painted.”
Video taken on Tuesday before the shooting showed Rittenhouse gathered with what appeared to be members of armed militia groups. Those vigilante groups had gathered on Tuesday night, it was reported by CNN and the Verge, in response to calls on Facebook for “any patriots willing to take up arms and defend our city tonight from the evil thugs.”
When asked about the vigilante groups, Miskinis defended them as civilians out to protect property and “exercise their constitutional right.”
“Across this nation there have been armed civilians who have come out to exercise their constitutional right and to potentially protect property,” he said. “Am I aware that groups exist? Yes, but they weren’t invited to come.”
Miskinis’ views of the gathering of vigilante groups that reportedly led to the killing of two local men appears to be very much in line with those of his department. Before the shooting, officers in armored vehicles could be seen giving water to armed men gathered with the alleged shooter and telling them, “We appreciate you guys, we really do.” After the killings, the alleged shooter walked slowly past a series of police vehicles with his arms raised and was allowed to simply walk away. (It’s not yet clear what the officers knew about the shooting at the time, but the shots were audible in nearby footage.)
When asked why his officers had given the armed men water and thanked them, Miskinis said, “Our deputies would toss a water to anybody” and “You’re asking me to tell you what one person did. I can’t tell you that.” In explaining why his officers were able to show such restraint with Tuesday’s shooter, he blamed the “high stress” situation on the scene and possible “tunnel vision” on the part of his officers.
“I’m not making an excuse. I’m just telling you from personal experience what could have done that,” he said.
Toward the end of his comments, Miskinis was asked about the vigilante groups and again compared them to the protesters who had violated curfew, saying both sides were to blame.
“It’s no different than those on the protesters’ side who are walking around armed and those who are counterprotesters, or those who are just witnessing, to be armed, so I’m not going to address any more issues relative to that,” he said.
When asked if he wanted the vigilante groups to be present again after Wednesday night’s curfew, Miskinis refused to reply.
“I just said I’m not going to answer any more questions,” he said.
When asked again, he again refused to say. “I’m done talking about that,” Miskinis said.
At the end of the press conference, Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian clarified whether the city wanted armed vigilante groups patrolling the street after the killing of two civilians. “No, I don’t need more guns on the street in the community,” he said.
August 27, 2020 at 7:02 am #120058znModeratorAfter Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, the St. Louis Police union petitioned the NFL to have Rams players suspended for making a protest gesture entering the field. Six years later, players cancelled a slate of NBA playoff games to protest police brutality.
— Full Dissident (@hbryant42) August 26, 2020
August 27, 2020 at 10:12 am #120064znModeratorAugust 27, 2020 at 10:14 am #120065znModeratorAugust 27, 2020 at 11:48 am #120068JackPMillerParticipantLet’s not forget about Trayford Pellerin, either. He was shot and killed, hours earlier, than Jacob Blake, by police in Lafayette, Louisiana. Trayford was shot 11 times, by police officers. These officers are out of control. This is why #BlackLivesMatter.
August 27, 2020 at 12:19 pm #120071ZooeyModeratorFrom CBS Sports
August 27, 2020 at 6:43 pm #120079znModeratorOriginally posted by Jack in a different thread.
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August 27, 2020 at 7:14 pm #120089znModeratorA witness who saw Kenosha police shoot Jacob Blake says he was checking on his 3 kids when he went back to the car
https://news.yahoo.com/witness-saw-kenosha-police-shoot-210339919.html
Witnesses who saw a Kenosha, Wisconsin, police officer shoot Jacob Blake on Sunday told Insider what they saw happen.
One man said he thought Blake was going back to the vehicle to check on his three young sons in the back seat.
While that man now says he thinks the officer was justified in shooting Blake, several other neighbors who witnessed the shooting disagree and say police used unnecessary force.
Visit Insider’s homepage for more stories.
Witnesses who saw a Kenosha, Wisconsin, police officer shoot Jacob Blake on Sunday speculated that the 29-year-old father was checking on his three young sons when he opened the driver’s side door of his SUV seconds before getting shot.
“Knowing Jacob, that’s what he was doing. His kids are his priority. He wanted to make his kids safe,” Dan Stone, who lives across the street from Blake and was there when he was shot, told Insider.
Stone, 68, said he has known Blake for about five years and referred to him as a “family man” who “took care of his family.”
“The kids were screaming in the back seat, like any normal little kids would be. They sense that,” Stone, who has lived in the neighborhood for 21 years, said.
Another longtime resident, Annie Louise Hurst, 80, was sitting in a chair in front of her home when the shooting happened. Her house is diagonal to Blake’s, and she said she screamed when she saw an officer shoot him.
“He was just walking and opening the car door and trying to get in. He wasn’t aggressive or nothing,” Hurst told Insider, adding that she didn’t know Blake very well but they would greet each other in passing.
Hurst, who’s lived in her home since 1967, said she believed Blake and his sons were celebrating one of the boy’s birthdays on Sunday. A man who said he was Blake’s friend told a local news reporter the same.
A graphic video circulating on social media shows Blake walking away from police officers and attempting to get in his vehicle when an officer grabs his shirt and shoots him from behind. Seven shots can be heard.
Arlene Archilla, who lives two doors down from Hurst, had come home right before the shooting. Afterward, she said, the children were distraught.
“I [saw] one of the children laying down in the grass and [having] a panic attack,” Archilla, 44, told Insider.
The shooting left Blake with a severed spinal cord that has paralyzed him from the waist down, according to civil-rights attorney Benjamin Crump, who is representing Blake’s family in this case.
The Kenosha Police Department said in a statement that it was responding to a “domestic incident,” which Blake’s neighbors said he was trying to de-escalate.
“Jacob was breaking up a fight between two girls,” Stone said.
When Insider spoke with Stone, a former Chicago police officer, on Tuesday, he said the “police shouldn’t have shot” Blake, adding, “They should’ve brought him down to the ground. Scrapes and cuts are a lot better than getting shot.”
The Kenosha Police Department hasn’t released the name of the officer involved in the shooting. Initially, Stone said he thought the officer may have been a “rookie who didn’t know what he was doing,” suggesting that new police-academy graduates should “wait at least a year” before getting a weapon.
But on Wednesday, Stone expressed a different opinion.
“Thought he was a rookie, and he wasn’t and has been on the force for a long time,” Stone said. “He got nervous, that’s all. Just like any other cop would get nervous.”
In the video of the shooting, it’s difficult to hear whether the police told Blake to stop before shooting him, but Stone said they did and Blake didn’t listen.
“If a police officer wants you to stop, stop. They’re there to do a job. Don’t get rowdy with them. Don’t get smart with them. Just stop and listen to what they’ve got to say. Bottom line. That goes for me also,” Stone told Insider on Wednesday.
But Hurst and the other witnesses Insider spoke with said they thought the Kenosha police officers responded excessively.
“They could’ve apprehended him better than that. They didn’t have to shoot, in my opinion, that little man,” she said, suggesting that officers could’ve tackled him to the ground.
Archilla, like Hurst, referenced Blake’s small stature, calling him “skinny,” and said the officers’ response didn’t make sense given what was happening.
“He didn’t have to shoot him seven times. Not even once,” Archilla said.
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Aisha I. JeffersonThey all said they didn’t see Blake carrying any type of weapon in his hands during the confrontation.
“Jacob didn’t have nothing in his hands,” Stone said. “He didn’t have a knife in his hands. He didn’t have a gun in his hands. He had his hands in his hands. And he was just trying to save his kids, probably.”
Since Blake’s shooting, protesters have gathered in Kenosha each night to denounce racism and police brutality.
Three people were shot, two fatally, during clashes between protesters and armed civilians late Tuesday night despite the city being under a mandatory 8 p.m. to 7 a.m. curfew. A 17-year-old was arrested Wednesday and charged with first-degree murder in those shootings.
Several businesses and government buildings have been vandalized, prompting a small group of armed people to defend private and public property around the city. Wisconsin is an open-carry state.
“Because these officers made a bad decision, everybody has to pay for it,” Archilla said.
August 29, 2020 at 11:48 am #120143znModeratorJacob Blake and Kyle Rittenhouse: Should police have used different tactics?
Two incidents have turned Wisconsin into the latest epicentre of America’s police protests. What can the footage from two different shootings tell us about US policing?
The first saw Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old black father, shot several times by a white officer, leaving him paralysed in hospital. The second followed in the unrest sparked by Mr Blake’s shooting, where white 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse allegedly shot and killed two protesters.
We asked two law enforcement experts for their take on the viral footage: New York Law School criminal law Professor Kirk Burkhalter, who served 20 years in the New York City Police Department, and Brennan Center national security fellow Michael German, who was an FBI agent for 16 years.
First, let’s break down the two videos.
What do we see in the Blake video?
In a bystander-filmed clip of the police shooting, Mr Blake is seen walking around to the front of his vehicle. One of the two officers following him at this point has a weapon drawn. It is unclear what the police officers said before the shooting.
What do we know about Jacob Blake’s shooting?
Blake opens the door and leans into the car. The officer grabs his shirt and opens fire. The other officer also draws his gun.
Seven shots can be heard in the video, as witnesses scream.
Just before the first video that was released begins, police reportedly wrestled and tased Mr Blake. Investigators said a knife was later uncovered from the floor on the driver’s side of Mr Blake’s car.
What can we see in the Rittenhouse videos?
Mr Rittenhouse has appeared in a number of different videos from Tuesday night’s Kenosha protest. In one, he speaks to police, who offer him water.
Later, he is seen in footage running from a group of people, one of whom appears to fire into the air.
Who is US teen accused of Wisconsin protest murders?
Mr Rittenhouse appears to shoot a man who tries to assail him. As he flees and is chased again, he falls to the ground and shoots again. A man falls to the ground, and many shots can be heard.
Following this incident, Mr Rittenhouse approaches police vehicles with his arms in the air, his weapon slung across his chest.
A bystander calls out that the teenager “just shot” people, but the police vehicles pass by to attend to the injured protesters.
Should police have responded differently?
With Jacob Blake…While there is no specific rule for every single scenario, both experts note that as far as we know, Mr Blake was not being arrested or wanted for any heinous crime (like mass murder).
The whole encounter played out in around seven seconds.
“The effort to prevent him from getting into his car and driving away is what led to the violence,” says Mr German. “They had his licence plate number, if they needed to go arrest him later, he would be easy to find.”
Prof Burkhalter adds that in the moments leading up to the shots, officers “passed through several decision points where, arguably, they could have made more effective decisions”, like tackling him or tasing him again.
“When someone resists arrest and they attempt to walk away, which happens often…that in and of itself is not carte blanche to use deadly physical force, period.”
The retired detective adds that if Mr Blake threatened deadly force, drawing weapons could be justified. But he says it’s “particularly disturbing” that an officer grabbed his shirt with one hand and fired with the other.
“It didn’t appear to be life threatening at that particular point and holding someone in place so you can shoot them, unless they are actually armed at that time, seems wildly problematic.”
There’s also a lack of situational awareness, Prof Burkhalter points out, calling it “an absolute miracle” that none of the seven shots ricocheted to strike the children in the car.
…and Kyle Rittenhouse?
Prof Burkhalter begins: “It is absolutely ridiculous that, confronted with this person, the police would not take action.”
Rendering aid, he says, is of course the number one priority.
“However, there were a significant number of police officers on this street. I would guess that some of those officers could have rendered aid and others could have pursued this man.”
And as Mr German notes: a rifle shot is loud. For officers to respond and see anyone walking towards them with a rifle is a “serious violation of police safety protocol”.
“To let that person go behind the police line is astonishing,” he says.
How do the responses compare?
There are clear differences for Prof Burkhalter. One man who may or may not have been reaching for a knife was “corralled, [an officer] holding his shirt like he’s some type of animal” and shot multiple times, he says, while the other was walking down the street with an assault weapon.
But while a lot of emphasis is placed on the actions of a single officer, Prof Burkhalter says “there’s often a lot of blame to go around”. In both incidents, he asks: “Where is the supervisor who was responsible for these actions?”
Letting an armed individual walk behind the line of cars “is astonishingly dangerous for the police officers themselves,” Mr German points out.
These two incidents highlight the ways “police are trained to be afraid of certain situations and not others,” he says.
The first shooting took place in broad daylight on a residential street. The second, in the middle of the night in a chaotic civil unrest environment.
“The situations are just so opposite in how the police should have responded compared to how they did.”
So how should police training change?
Mr German criticises the development of a “warrior cop mentality” in the last two decades – the idea “that police officers in their daily work are at extreme threat from the communities they serve and…treat very incident as one that could end their lives”.
He says research shows that fear of death creates a mind-set that “demonises out-groups”. Acknowledging the existence of conscious biases and racism will be key to reforming US law enforcement, he says.
And there’s another problem Mr German – who did undercover work with far-right groups – has seen play out in recent years.
White supremacist groups and armed militias have been seen interacting with police at protests. “It’s astonishing that even at the leadership level, they don’t recognise the danger they’re putting their officers in by suggesting those far-right militants aren’t the bigger threat,” he says.
US white supremacist propaganda ‘rose in 2019’
For Prof Burkhalter, it’s time to throw out the book on policing altogether, and pen a new one for the 21st century.
In lieu of six-month academies, he suggests officers have a more undergraduate-style training: two years where trainees learn from department personnel and civilian academics about history, psychology, immigration law, sociology, and participate in on-the-street training with guided reflections.
Policing standards should also be set at the national level, and there should be a national registry. Pay increases could also help attract a wider range of prospective candidates, he adds.
With this dream in mind, Prof Burkhalter thinks the movement to defund the police – that is, to cut police funding and redistribute money to social programmes – “would only compound the problem”.
“Revising departments and the training, the education that I’m talking about – that requires funding.”
August 30, 2020 at 4:28 am #120175JackPMillerParticipantAugust 30, 2020 at 8:00 am #120178znModeratorThis is why Jacob Blake had a warrant out for his arrest
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
The cops involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake — which touched off a fresh wave of angry, anti-police sentiment across the country — were attempting to arrest him for violating a restraining order stemming from an alleged sexual assault, The Post has learned.
Blake, 29, was forbidden from going to the Kenosha home of his alleged victim from the May 3 incident, and police were dispatched Sunday following a 911 call saying he was there.
The responding officers were aware he had an open warrant for felony sexual assault, according to dispatch records and the Kenosha Professional Police Association, which released a statement on the incident on Friday.
That police union statement also claimed that Blake was armed with a knife at the time of the shooting — and had put one cop in a headlock and shrugged off two Taser attempts while resisting arrest.
Blake, who was paralyzed in the shooting, had been handcuffed to his hospital bed due to the warrant, which was vacated Friday, according to a statement released by his lawyer, Benjamin Crump. His restraints were removed, but he is still facing the criminal charges, Crump said.
Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her.
The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said “I want my sh-t,” the record states.
She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges.
The officer who took her statement said she “had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her.”
The alleged victim said Blake “penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent” and she was “very humiliated and upset by the sexual assault,” the record states.
She told police she “was upset but collected herself” and then allegedly ran out the front door after Blake, the complaint says. She then realized her car was missing, checked her purse and saw the keys were missing and then “immediately called 911,” the complaint alleges.
The alleged victim told cops she has known him for eight years and claims that he physically assaults her “around twice a year when he drinks heavily.”
Police filed charges against him for felony sexual assault, trespassing and domestic abuse in July when a warrant was issued for his arrest.
On Sunday, within three minutes of responding to the 911 call, Blake was shot 7 times in the back as he attempted to get into his car.
Calls to Blake’s fiance, Crump and the Kenosha Police Department have gone unreturned.
August 30, 2020 at 8:51 am #120182Billy_TParticipantI’m not seeing these things as at all in opposition:
Being appalled that a kid gets to carry an AR-15 down the street, and being appalled that the police protected him, worked with him and other right-wing lunatics against peaceful protesters.
To me, the logical and obvious reaction is to see them as part of greater (ugly, deadly) whole that props up, supports and literally weaponizes white supremacy in America. In fact, America’s radically permissive gun policies protect and enable white supremacists more than any other group — in conjunction with police forces they’ve infiltrated — and no other portion of the populace utilizes those policies to a greater degree. And they repeatedly tell us why they stockpile weapons, and the record tells us they’ve followed through on their beliefs/threats/paranoid delusions.
Again, it’s not either/or. It’s both/and.
August 30, 2020 at 9:10 am #120180wvParticipantThis is why Jacob Blake had a warrant out for his arrest
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/
The cops involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake — which touched off a fresh wave of angry, anti-police sentiment across the country — were attempting to arrest him for violating a restraining order stemming from an alleged sexual assault, The Post has learned.
Blake, 29, was forbidden from going to the Kenosha home of his alleged victim from the May 3 incident, and police were dispatched Sunday following a 911 call saying he was there.
The responding officers were aware he had an open warrant for felony sexual assault, according to dispatch records and the Kenosha Professional Police Association, which released a statement on the incident on Friday.
That police union statement also claimed that Blake was armed with a knife at the time of the shooting — and had put one cop in a headlock and shrugged off two Taser attempts while resisting arrest.
Blake, who was paralyzed in the shooting, had been handcuffed to his hospital bed due to the warrant, which was vacated Friday, according to a statement released by his lawyer, Benjamin Crump. His restraints were removed, but he is still facing the criminal charges, Crump said.
Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her.
The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said “I want my sh-t,” the record states.
She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges.
The officer who took her statement said she “had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her.”
The alleged victim said Blake “penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent” and she was “very humiliated and upset by the sexual assault,” the record states.
She told police she “was upset but collected herself” and then allegedly ran out the front door after Blake, the complaint says. She then realized her car was missing, checked her purse and saw the keys were missing and then “immediately called 911,” the complaint alleges.
The alleged victim told cops she has known him for eight years and claims that he physically assaults her “around twice a year when he drinks heavily.”
Police filed charges against him for felony sexual assault, trespassing and domestic abuse in July when a warrant was issued for his arrest.
On Sunday, within three minutes of responding to the 911 call, Blake was shot 7 times in the back as he attempted to get into his car.
Calls to Blake’s fiance, Crump and the Kenosha Police Department have gone unreturned.
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Sexual assault is a terrible thing, obviously, but the underlying crime really has nothing to do with it. Its not supposed to, anyway. I know it will in the public-mind.
All that matters is the question of ‘Was deadly force necessary?’ At the time.
Did he, or didnt he, have a knife in his hand. Was he swinging it at the cop?
A knife on the floor of the car is not an immediate threat to the cops.So far the media does not seem to have any of the critical facts.
But so far, it ‘looks like’ the cops over-reacted. Imho.
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Sexual assault is a terrible thing, obviously, but the underlying crime really has nothing to do with it. Its not supposed to, anyway. I know it will in the public-mind.
All that matters is the question of ‘Was deadly force necessary?’ At the time.
Did he, or didnt he, have a knife in his hand. Was he swinging it at the cop?
A knife on the floor of the car is not an immediate threat to the cops.So far the media does not seem to have any of the critical facts.
But so far, it ‘looks like’ the cops over-reacted. Imho.
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vThe cop shot him SEVEN times. In the back.
How is this even up for debate?
August 30, 2020 at 11:35 am #120194wvParticipant====================
Sexual assault is a terrible thing, obviously, but the underlying crime really has nothing to do with it. Its not supposed to, anyway. I know it will in the public-mind.
All that matters is the question of ‘Was deadly force necessary?’ At the time.
Did he, or didnt he, have a knife in his hand. Was he swinging it at the cop?
A knife on the floor of the car is not an immediate threat to the cops.So far the media does not seem to have any of the critical facts.
But so far, it ‘looks like’ the cops over-reacted. Imho.
w
vThe cop shot him SEVEN times. In the back.
How is this even up for debate?
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Well, if someone was ‘reaching’ for a gun, in a car, I can see a cop full of adrenaline, shooting over and over and over. Adrenaline. Fear.Will the cop ‘say’ the victim was ‘reaching for something that looked like a gun’ Or a knife? Was the victim ‘saying’ he was ‘going to get his gun and shoot’?
Etc, and so forth.It looks like an over-reaction ‘to me’, but again, there are some critical facts missing.
Its ‘possible’ to shoot someone in the back a lot of times, and still be justified, imho. But the facts would have to be really weird. But its…possible. Thats all im saying. Possible.
I havent seen the video, btw. I doubt if i watch it. I’m burned out on this shit. Capitalism shoots millions of people in the back everyday.
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vAugust 30, 2020 at 11:36 am #120195Billy_TParticipantJudge, jury and executioner. The police aren’t supposed to be all (or any) of that, obviously. So it may well be that Blake is guilty of horrible crimes, but that’s for a jury to decide, under our system.
Echoing what so many have been pointing out, police seem to have no problem waiting for juries to decide when the accused is white — even when he’s a mass shooter. But when he or she is Black, it’s quite different. Same with Native peoples. A bit more so with them, in fact.
America, love it or leave it! As soon as it’s possible, I’m opting for the latter.
August 30, 2020 at 1:21 pm #120199JackPMillerParticipantAugust 30, 2020 at 9:01 pm #120207znModeratorI originally posted this in this thread in the Rams forum: Sports strikes & other sports world responses to Kenosha http://theramshuddle.com/topic/sports-strikes/#post-120164
But that’s a less populated thread so I moved it here.
A lot of people are commenting on this and IMO it’s worth a listen. Ignore who it is, it’s the message.
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