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August 6, 2017 at 9:25 am #71964wvParticipant
bernie:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/sanders_launches_new_medicare_for_all_digital_campaign_20170802
“…The positive response follows months of signs that Americans and their lawmakers are embracing Medicare for All. The Pew Research Center found in June that 33 percent of citizens supported government-funded healthcare for all Americans, up five points since January and 12 points since 2014. Fifty-two percent of Democrats supported the plan.
Senators including Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kirsten Gillbrand (D-N.Y.) have also spoken up in favor of Medicare for All, with Warren urging her party to strongly endorse government-run healthcare while Republicans attempt to do away with the Affordable Care Act….”
August 6, 2017 at 9:29 am #71965wvParticipantOnly 33 percent. Think about that.
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vAugust 6, 2017 at 10:47 am #71967wvParticipantNoam on health care:http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/41488-noam-chomsky-on-how-the-united-states-developed-such-a-scandalous-health-system
“….All of this is part of the background for the US departure in health care from the norm of the OECD, and even less privileged societies. But there are deeper reasons why the US is an “outlier” in health care and social justice generally. These trace back to unusual features of American history. Unlike other developed state capitalist industrial democracies, the political economy and social structure of the United States developed in a kind of tabula rasa. The expulsion or mass killing of Indigenous nations cleared the ground for the invading settlers, who had enormous resources and ample fertile lands at their disposal, and extraordinary security for reasons of geography and power. That led to the rise of a society of individual farmers, and also, thanks to slavery, substantial control of the product that fueled the industrial revolution: cotton, the foundation of manufacturing, banking, commerce, retail for both the United States and Britain, and less directly, other European societies. Also relevant is the fact that the country has actually been at war for 500 years with little respite, a history that has created “the richest, most powerful and ultimately most militarized nation in world history,” as scholar Walter Hixson has documented.
For similar reasons, American society lacked the traditional social stratification and autocratic political structure of Europe, and the various measures of social support that developed unevenly and erratically. There has been ample state intervention in the economy from the outset — dramatically in recent years — but without general support systems.
As a result, US society is, to an unusual extent, business-run, with a highly class-conscious business community dedicated to “the everlasting battle for the minds of men.” The business community is also set on containing or demolishing the “political power of the masses,” which it deems as a serious “hazard to industrialists” (to sample some of the rhetoric of the business press during the New Deal years, when the threat to the overwhelming dominance of business power seemed real)….
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…..Why aren’t Americans demanding — not simply expressing a preference for in survey polls — access to a universal health care system?
They are indeed expressing a preference, over a long period. Just to give one telling illustration, in the late Reagan years 70 percent of the adult population thought that health care should be a constitutional guarantee, and 40 percent thought it already was in the Constitution since it is such an obviously legitimate right. Poll results depend on wording and nuance, but they have quite consistently, over the years, shown strong and often large majority support for universal health care — often called “Canadian-style,” not because Canada necessarily has the best system, but because it is close by and observable. The early ACA proposals called for a “public option.” It was supported by almost two-thirds of the population, but was dropped without serious consideration, presumably as part of a compact with financial institutions. The legislative bar to government negotiation of drug prices was opposed by 85 percent, also disregarded — again, presumably, to prevent opposition by the pharmaceutical giants. The preference for universal health care is particularly remarkable in light of the fact that there is almost no support or advocacy in sources that reach the general public and virtually no discussion in the public domain.
The facts about public support for universal health care receive occasional comment, in an interesting way. When running for president in 2004, Democrat John Kerry, the New York Times reported, “took pains… to say that his plan for expanding access to health insurance would not create a new government program,” because “there is so little political support for government intervention in the health care market in the United States.” At the same time, polls in the Wall Street Journal, Businessweek, the Washington Post and other media found overwhelming public support for government guarantees to everyone of “the best and most advanced health care that technology can supply.”
But that is only public support. The press reported correctly that there was little “political support” and that what the public wants is “politically impossible” — a polite way of saying that the financial and pharmaceutical industries will not tolerate it, and in American democracy, that’s what counts.
Returning to your question, it raises a crucial question about American democracy: Why isn’t the population “demanding” what it strongly prefers? Why is it allowing concentrated private capital to undermine necessities of life in the interests of profit and power? The “demands” are hardly utopian. They are commonly satisfied elsewhere, even in sectors of the US system. Furthermore, the demands could readily be implemented even without significant legislative breakthroughs. For example, by steadily reducing the age for entry to Medicare.
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Click here now to get the book!The question directs our attention to a profound democratic deficit in an atomized society, lacking the kind of popular associations and organizations that enable the public to participate in a meaningful way in determining the course of political, social and economic affairs. These would crucially include a strong and participatory labor movement and actual political parties growing from public deliberation and participation instead of the elite-run candidate-producing groups that pass for political parties. What remains is a depoliticized society in which a majority of voters (barely half the population even in the super-hyped presidential elections, much less in others) are literally disenfranchised, in that their representatives disregard their preferences while effective decision-making lies largely in the hands of tiny concentrations of wealth and corporate power, as study after study reveals.
The prevailing situation reminds us of the words of America’s leading twentieth-century social philosopher, John Dewey, much of whose work focused on democracy and its failures and promise. Dewey deplored the domination by “business for private profit through private control of banking, land, industry, reinforced by command of the press, press agents and other means of publicity and propaganda” and recognized that “Power today resides in control of the means of production, exchange, publicity, transportation and communication. Whoever owns them rules the life of the country,” even if democratic forms remain. Until those institutions are in the hands of the public, he continued, politics will remain “the shadow cast on society by big business.”
This was not a voice from the marginalized far left, but from the mainstream of liberal thought.
Turning finally to your question again, a rather general answer, which applies in its specific way to contemporary western democracies, was provided by David Hume over 250 years ago, in his classic study Of the First Principles of Government. Hume found
nothing more surprising than to see the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and to observe the implicit submission with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers. When we enquire by what means this wonder is brought about, we shall find, that as Force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. ‘Tis therefore, on opinion only that government is founded; and this maxim extends to the most despotic and most military governments, as well as to the most free and most popular.
Implicit submission is not imposed by laws of nature or political theory. It is a choice, at least in societies such as ours, which enjoys the legacy provided by the struggles of those who came before us. Here power is indeed “on the side of the governed,” if they organize and act to gain and exercise it. That holds for health care and for much else.” see link
August 6, 2017 at 12:56 pm #71973nittany ramModeratorOnly 33 percent. Think about that.
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vYeah, that’s disappointing. I think polls have shown that if you describe to people what single payer is without mentioning the name, they want it by an overwhelming majority. But as soon as you mention the names “single payer”, “universal healthcare”, “socialized medicine”, etc, they lose all interest. Such is the continuing effectiveness of all that BS anti-communist propaganda that began 70 years ago or so.
August 6, 2017 at 1:57 pm #71982znModeratorAugust 6, 2017 at 11:50 pm #72009znModeratorAugust 7, 2017 at 12:13 am #72010Billy_TParticipantZN,
That was good. But he missed an opening. It’s actually another lie to say people used to be able to buy insurance on the individual markets for less. Never happened. Not. Ever. In fact, it was far more money to go out on your own and purchase insurance before the ACA, and I say that as someone who isn’t a big fan of it and buys from the exchanges now — with no subsidies.
Prior to the ACA, if you were self-employed, you paid more for an individual policy. The ACA basically gave/gives people “group rates,” primarily cuz of those taxpayer subsidies. And if you also have pre-existing conditions, your insurance rate now is a fraction of what it was before, if you could even find insurance outside of work. I know this too as a cancer survivor. If I didn’t have it through work in the early years, I was told by Blue Cross and Blue Shield, back in 2003, it would be more than a thousand a month for just me. No ACA and it would be in the thousands right now, if you could even get it.
Single Payer — Medicare for all makes the most sense, IMO – is waaaay better than the ACA. But Republicans want to talk about the system prior to the ACA as if it were nirvana, and it sucked. It was far worse for the vast majority of Americans, especially anyone with pre-existing conditions and/or self-employed. The so-called “free market” never worked for them, and it never will. The conflict of interest between insurance exec and patient is too massive.
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