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  • #111495
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    Jacobin writer vs David Frum:

    #111496
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    David Frum (who hates Trump) thinks Bernie is weak with Black Voters.

    I dunno. Could be, but thats easily solved — Pick a Black VP.

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    #111509
    Zooey
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    BERNIE SANDERS LEADS ALL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN SUPPORT FROM NON-WHITE VOTERS, NEW POLLS SHOW

    JASON LEMON

    https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-all-democratic-candidates-support-non-white-voters-new-polls-show-1486807

    Senator Bernie Sanders leads all the Democratic presidential candidates in support from non-white voters and has gained 10 points among black voters, according to new polls released Tuesday.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden has long touted his support from minority–and particularly black–voters to demonstrate his electability for the Democratic party’s nomination. But the candidate’s support has appeared to slide dramatically among all demographics since his fourth-place finish in Iowa last Monday. Meanwhile, Sanders appears to be surging.

    The independent senator from Vermont is backed by 28 percent of black, non-white Hispanic and Asian voters, according to the latest polling data from Monmouth University. Biden came in second with support from 20 percent, or 8 points less than Sanders.

    A separate by Morning Consult, Sanders has gained 10 points in support among black voters, with 27 percent saying they now back the senator, as opposed to the 17 percent who were before the Iowa caucuses. Meanwhile, Biden’s support from the vital demographic has dropped to just 35 percent, which still puts him ahead of Sanders by 8 percent.

    During the 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum held on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Biden insisted that his support from black voters was solid. When one of the interviewers from VICE News noted that Sanders also had significant support, particularly from young black voters, Biden argued this was incorrect.

    “Look, all I know is I’m leading everybody combined with black voters,” the former vice president said.

    But VICE and Ipsos had recently released a poll suggesting otherwise. Their survey found that Biden and Sanders were in a statistical tie, with Sanders slightly ahead. In that poll, 56 percent said they would “consider voting” for Sanders, while just 54 percent said they would “consider voting” for Biden.

    Following Iowa’s problematic results, which led Sanders and former Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana, to both declare victory in the state, Biden has seen his support slide in state level and nationwide polls. Sanders now appears to be the national frontrunner, according to the polling data from Morning Consult and Monmouth.

    Monmouth has Sanders leading Biden by 10 points, or 26 percent compared to Biden’s 16 percent. Buttigieg and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts tie for third, with 13 percent. Morning Consult’s data also shows Sanders in the lead, albeit narrower. The senator has 25 percent compared with Biden’s 22 percent. Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, a billionaire businessman, comes in third with 17 percent.

    As voters in New Hampshire cast their votes in the first primary of the 2020 election season on Tuesday, Sanders is in the lead in all the most recent state-level polls, while Buttigieg is about 7 to 8 percent behind. If either Sanders or Buttigieg manages to pull ahead and win the state by a substantial margin, history shows they stand a chance to be the race’s early frontrunner.

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    Well, i dunno what 28 percent really means, but it dont sound all that good to me.

    Quite a little electoral drama we got goin here in amerika. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings. Ya know. Frodo vs Mordor. Not an easy task. A fool’s hope.

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    #111525
    Zooey
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    No, and this is really the serious, open question about Sanders. The centrists are adding up all the other candidates against Bernie, suggesting that their backers could all consolidate behind whichever centrist survives, and beat Bernie, but there are also polls showing Sanders leading when everyone’s 2nd choice gets factored in. So who knows.

    The thing is, though, that 28% is a lot higher than anyone else. Almost 50% higher than Biden who is 2nd in support.

    Right now, there are a lot of candidates, and the big question is…where will their support end up as they drop out?

    Looks to me like Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar can’t make it past March 3. Maybe not Biden, either. They are all running out of money, so whoever takes 2nd today in Nevada might survive to fight a little longer, but nobody is going to send any more checks to candidates who finish 3rd or lower after today, I wouldn’t think, unless their numbers look good in South Carolina. I read somewhere that Warren and Buttigieg aren’t even going to campaign in California and Texas, hoping to make a dent by winning some of the smaller contests. Like American Samoa, maybe. That would leave Bloomberg.

    I don’t know. My track record reading political tea leaves isn’t great, but that’s what I got.

    #111527
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    No, and this is really the serious, open question about Sanders. The centrists are adding up all the other candidates against Bernie, suggesting that their backers could all consolidate behind whichever centrist survives, and beat Bernie, but there are also polls showing Sanders leading when everyone’s 2nd choice gets factored in. So who knows.

    The thing is, though, that 28% is a lot higher than anyone else. Almost 50% higher than Biden who is 2nd in support.

    Right now, there are a lot of candidates, and the big question is…where will their support end up as they drop out?

    Looks to me like Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar can’t make it past March 3. Maybe not Biden, either. They are all running out of money, so whoever takes 2nd today in Nevada might survive to fight a little longer, but nobody is going to send any more checks to candidates who finish 3rd or lower after today, I wouldn’t think, unless their numbers look good in South Carolina. I read somewhere that Warren and Buttigieg aren’t even going to campaign in California and Texas, hoping to make a dent by winning some of the smaller contests. Like American Samoa, maybe. That would leave Bloomberg.

    I don’t know. My track record reading political tea leaves isn’t great, but that’s what I got.

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    California. Texas. March 3rd.

    …Last year, California’s Primary was later in the year, and Clinton won, right?
    This year, California is on Super Tuesday.

    I assume the Corporate-Centrists are just hoping to muddy the waters and keep Bernie from sweeping thru the primaries. Do him in, at the convention.

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    wikihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday
    …Super Tuesday is the election day early in a United States presidential primary season (February or March) when the greatest number of U.S. states hold primary elections and caucuses. More delegates to the presidential nominating conventions can be won on Super Tuesday than on any other single day….

    2016
    …..The participating states included Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado (with caucuses), Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota (with caucuses), Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, and Virginia. Additionally, Republican caucuses were held in Alaska, North Dakota, and Wyoming.[16][17] The territory of American Samoa held a Democratic caucus.[17]…

    ….The Democratic primaries and caucuses concluded with Bernie Sanders winning Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Vermont; and Hillary Clinton winning Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Massachusetts, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. Clinton received 486 delegates, while Sanders received 321.[18]….

    2020
    Super Tuesday will be on March 3, 2020.[28][29][30] Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia will all hold their presidential primaries on that date.[28][29][30] The Democrats Abroad primary, for Democrats living outside of the United States, will also begin voting on March 3, and conclude on March 10.[31] 1,357 of the 3,979 pledged delegates to be awarded to the candidates in the Democratic primaries will be allotted on Super Tuesday. 1,617 total delegates could be awarded to the candidates.[32][33][34] This is driven in large part by the two most populous states in the country, California and Texas, allotting 415 and 228 delegates respectively on Super Tuesday.[33][34]….

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