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March 17, 2017 at 7:11 pm #66385
wvParticipantMarch 17, 2017 at 7:45 pm #66386wvParticipantBern talks about the difference tween ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ at about the nine minute mark. Sounds a lot like our ‘liberal’ vs ‘leftist’ discussions way back when.
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vMarch 17, 2017 at 8:18 pm #66387
znModeratorBern talks about the difference tween ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ at about the nine minute mark. Sounds a lot like our ‘liberal’ vs ‘leftist’ discussions way back when.
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vHe makes way too much sense.
He should’ve run for president.
March 18, 2017 at 10:51 am #66403
Billy_TParticipantBern talks about the difference tween ‘liberal’ and ‘progressive’ at about the nine minute mark. Sounds a lot like our ‘liberal’ vs ‘leftist’ discussions way back when.
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vOn that particular section. I think the “liberal” view is basically correct (but woefully incomplete) on matters of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. etc. Basically. But wildly wrong on matters of economics, empire, the surveillance state, etc. One could even think of “liberals” as “conservatives without the bigotry” from that angle. Which is why the typical American food fight between “liberals” and “conservatives” is basically so mindless — and fundamentally truncated. We don’t get the option of liberal on matters of race, gender and sexuality, and leftist on economics, empire, the surveillance state, etc. etc. We’ve never, ever had that option in our entire history. Which is tragic.
I’m gonna start another thread later on the real underlying fault line, IMO. The thing we never talk about in America. Which is the battle between “individualism” and the “common good,” with both those things always already being wildly mischaracterized and misunderstood, thus preventing that discussion in the first place. As in, America basically has been forced into the “individualism” paradigm, while falsely believing there is some huge difference between “conservatives and liberals” on that issue.
In reality, the differences are minor, and they’re really both on the same side of that debate, essentially, with no time given to those who see “the common good” as providing (ironically) the best possible foundation FOR “individualism,” etc.
March 18, 2017 at 12:50 pm #66406wvParticipantIf you skip to the 51 minute mark or so, and listen for about five mins
to the part where he mentions educating the public and he sez he’s ‘open to ideas’ on how to get thru to the brain-washed masses — itz purty telling.w
vMarch 18, 2017 at 2:03 pm #66416Billy_TParticipantCorporate media.
Something still very striking about our news services. Even now, even with the acknowledgement that Trump is a liar, I still almost never hear the usual calls for “moderation,” “meeting in the middle,” “finding the center” that are perpetually lobbed at Democrats. The nagging news nannies of Versailles always, always do this when the Dems even hint at being even slightly left of center with their policies. But I’ve yet to hear any of those pundits call for moderation now.
And they all seem to have gotten the memo to never talk about tax increases as a way to reduce deficits, much less balance the budget. Or, tax increases to pay for the programs likely under the axe this time. It’s always “Gotta deal with entitlements!”
“That’s a good pet, newscaster! That’s a good boy!”
March 19, 2017 at 9:26 am #66461znModeratorEveryone loves Bernie Sanders. Except, it seems, the Democratic party
A new poll found he is the most popular politician in America. But instead of embracing his message, establishment Democrats continue to resist him
Trevor Timm
If you look at the numbers, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America – and it’s not even close. Yet bizarrely, the Democratic party – out of power across the country and increasingly irrelevant – still refuses to embrace him and his message. It’s increasingly clear they do so at their own peril.
A new Fox News poll out this week shows Sanders has a +28 net favorability rating among the US population, dwarfing all other elected politicians on both ends of the political spectrum. And he’s even more popular among the vaunted “independents”, where he is at a mind boggling +41.
This poll is not just an aberration. Look at this Huffington Post chart that has tracked Sanders’ favorability rating over time, ever since he gained national prominence in 2015 when he started running for the Democratic nomination. The more people got to know him, they more they liked him – the exact opposite of what his critics said would happen when he was running against Clinton.
One would think with numbers like that, Democratic politicians would be falling all over themselves to be associated with Sanders, especially considering the party as a whole is more unpopular than the Republicans and even Donald Trump right now. Yet instead of embracing his message, the establishment wing of the party continues to resist him at almost every turn, and they seem insistent that they don’t have to change their ways to gain back the support of huge swaths of the country.
Politico ran a story just this week featuring Democratic officials fretting over the fact that Sanders supporters may upend their efforts to retake governorships in southern states by insisting those candidates adopt Sanders’ populist policies – seemingly oblivious to the fact that Sanders plays well in some of those states too.
Sanders’ effect on Trump voters can be seen in a gripping town hall this week that MSNBC’s Chris Hayes hosted with him in West Virginia – often referred to as “Trump country” – where the crowd ended up giving him a rousing ovation after he talked about healthcare being a right of all people and that we are the only industrialized nation in the world who doesn’t provide healthcare as a right to all its people.
But hand wringing by Democratic officials over 2018 candidates is really just the latest example: the establishment wing of the party aggressively ran another opponent against Keith Ellison, Sanders’ choice to run the Democratic National Committee, seemingly with the primary motivation to keep the party away from Sanders’ influence.
They’ve steadfastly refused to take giant corporations head on in the public sphere and wouldn’t even return to an Obama-era rule that banned lobbyist money from funding the DNC that was rescinded last year. And despite the broad popularity of the government guaranteeing health care for everyone, they still have not made any push for a Medicare-for-all plan that Sanders has long called for as a rebuttal to Republicans’ attempt to dismantle Obamacare.
Democrats seem more than happy to put all the blame of the 2016 election on a combination of Russia and James Comey and have engaged in almost zero introspection on the root causes of the larger reality: they are also out of power in not the presidency, but both also houses of Congress, governorships and state houses across the country as well.
As Politico reported on the Democrats’ post-Trump strategy in February, “Democratic aides say they will eventually shift to a positive economic message that Rust Belt Democrats can run on”. However: “For now, aides say, the focus is on slaying the giant and proving to the voters who sent Trump into the White House why his policies will fail.”
In other words, they’re doubling down on the exact same failing strategy that Clinton used in the final months of the campaign. Sanders himself put it this way in his usual blunt style in an interview with New York magazine this week – when asked about whether the Democrats can adapt to the political reality, he said: “There are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats.”
In the long term, change may be coming for Democrats whether they like it or not. Sanders loyalists are quietly attempting to take over many local Democratic party positions around the country. While Ellison lost the race for the DNC chair, it was incredibly close – closer than Sanders came to beating Clinton. And Sanders’ supporters are already organizing primary challenges to incumbent Democrats who aren’t sufficiently opposing Trump.
One thing’s for sure: Democrats who refuse to change do so at their peril.
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