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May 13, 2016 at 10:33 am #43989bnwBlocked
Good paying one earner family supporting jobs takes the biggest bite out of poverty. Keeping the baby’s dad in the home is the other. There was a time in this country when both of these were the norm rather than the exception. That time saw the expansion of the middle class and the contraction of the poor in the nation. There’s other behaviors for success that help too but good paying jobs and the nuclear family are the beginning.
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May 13, 2016 at 12:06 pm #43992ZooeyModeratorGood paying one earner family supporting jobs takes the biggest bite out of poverty. Keeping the baby’s dad in the home is the other. There was a time in this country when both of these were the norm rather than the exception. That time saw the expansion of the middle class and the contraction of the poor in the nation. There’s other behaviors for success that help too but good paying jobs and the nuclear family are the beginning.
I think that is exactly right. Somewhere in the 80s, through a unlikely combination of the women’s movement, and a reborn drive for material prosperity, dual income families became increasingly common, and eventually became the norm. At the same time, unions started taking a beating in public perception and suffered a loss of power. Because families were earning more, it became easier to get workers to compromise on wages. Blend those ingredients, and let simmer through tax cut after tax cut on the wealthy, and eventually you arrive in a place where families wakes up one day and realize they NEED two incomes in order to live the same lifestyle that one income provided for three decades of growth post WWII.
To fight poverty, we need jobs that pay better for everybody. The working class needs a pay raise. A big one.
And I will just add…the 50s and 60s were the time of the highest tax rates on the wealthy. And far from destroying the economy as most of America defends as a Truism Beyond Question, higher tax rates on the wealthy created the strongest working and middle class families this planet has ever seen.
May 13, 2016 at 1:08 pm #43995bnwBlockedNice post though the effect on poverty of taking the dad out of the home is well documented. I like your women in the workforce lowering overall wages. Add illegal aliens and outsourcing overseas and negative pressure on wages is assured. Plus the cost of living still rises.
The tax rates on the wealthy were much higher back then but almost no one paid those rates as there were loopholes which were taken to great advantage. US manufacturing didn’t have much competition on the world stage since WW2 devastated both europe and asia manufacturing. Now with the ease of investing anywhere in the world via stock exchanges the wealthy can and do keep substantial wealth offshore working elsewhere. That is why Trump wants to make it easy for corporations and the wealthy to bring that money back to the US to invest in US job creation.
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May 13, 2016 at 1:24 pm #43997ZooeyModeratorNice post. The tax rates on the wealthy were much higher back then but almost no one paid those rates as there were loopholes which were taken to great advantage. US manufacturing didn’t have much competition on the world stage since WW2 devastated both europe and asia manufacturing. Now with the ease of investing anywhere in the world via stock exchanges the wealthy can and do keep substantial wealth offshore working elsewhere. That is why Trump wants to make it easy for corporations and the wealthy to bring that money back to the US to invest in US job creation.
Right, and I wouldn’t expect that pulling out the Eisenhower tax code from 1952 and dropping it on the country today would work at all. The economy is dynamic, and it changes all the time, so tax codes, as well as import/export tariffs, and the myriad of other ways the game is managed are in constant motion, and need constant maintenance.
So…I am not simply saying, “Tax the rich.” It isn’t that simple, and I don’t think anybody argues that it is. But corrections of some kind need to be made. Maybe a $15 national minimum wage is part of that equation. Maybe increased taxes on specific types of capital gains. I don’t know. I’m a high school teacher, not a tax attorney, nor a professor of economics. All I know is the playing field needs to be tilted somehow so that all that prosperity that has been almost entirely absorbed by Wall Street gets significantly redirected towards the workers who are sacrificing to create that prosperity.
May 13, 2016 at 8:47 pm #44001wvParticipantJust somethin i read.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/04/24/bernies_greatest_legacy_suddenly_its_ok_to_question_capitalism/Bernie’s greatest legacy: Suddenly, it’s OK to question capitalism!
Sanders will never be president, but he unveiled an explosive political truth: Capitalism has eaten democracy
Andrew O’HehirBernie Sanders is not going to be president. But in defeat he has accomplished something extraordinary, probably something more important than anything he could have achieved in four or eight frustrating years in the White House. For the first time since the end of the Cold War — and perhaps since the beginning of the Cold War — large numbers of Americans have begun to ask questions about capitalism. Questions about whether it works, and how, and for whose benefit. Questions about whether capitalism is really the indispensable companion of democracy, as we have confidently been told for the last century or so, and about how those two things interact in the real world.
Bernie Sanders did not invent those questions or cause them to emerge, to be sure. They have emerged from a whole range of objective conditions and subjective perceptions, including the dramatic worsening of economic inequality, the near-total paralysis of our political system and the awakening of an entire generation of young Americans, supposedly from the non-poor classes, who have graduated from college tens of thousands of dollars in debt. But Sanders has served as an important channel or catalyst for such questions and the shift in consciousness they represent. He or his advisers appeared to see or sense a rising current of discontent that took nearly everyone else by surprise.
After several generations in which a capitalist economy dominated by the neoliberal policy prescriptions of tax cuts, deregulation, privatization and fiscal austerity has been understood as the natural order of things — and as the oxygen necessary to nourish democracy around the world — the Western world’s entire leadership caste has been startled to encounter a resurgence of systematic nonbelief. To the bankers and politicians, it feels almost as if a crusty old Vermonter had come close to stealing a major-party presidential nomination on a platform of Flat-Earthism, or by professing that the moon landing was a fake. (Those politics, to be fair, are largely confined to the other party.)
For many decades, all lingering remnants of nonbelief in the goodness and naturalness and blessedness of capitalism have been endlessly derided and driven to the margins of political discourse, which now looks like an admission of weakness or the work of a bad conscience. In the United States, “socialism” became a bad word, apparently poisoned forever by the disastrous failures of Eastern-bloc Communism. (While the situation has always been different in Europe, most of the so-called socialist parties have drifted steadily rightward and embraced market ideology.) Pockets of socialist or Marxist thought could be found in the groves of academe, layered in dust, but in the realm of politics those terms belonged only to zealots and weirdos. Cornel West’s pre-Bernie quest for an alternative radical politics, for instance, led him into the arms of Bob Avakian and the Revolutionary Communist Party, a tiny Maoist sect that has haunted the far left since the mid-’70s.
In its eagerness to avoid all such associations, the Democratic Party has spent the last few decades prostrating itself before the temple of Big Money — a process greatly accelerated under the husband of its current frontrunner — and renouncing any semblance of class-based politics or egalitarian economics. You can almost understand why West found Avakian’s revolutionary fantasies refreshing, or at least honest. (The six-hour videos are tough to take.) What the Sanders insurgency has exposed, even more clearly than usual, is that the Democratic Party does not represent the material interests of most of the people who vote for it. (This is of course even more true of the Republican Party.) Those who insist, in tones resonant of “get off my lawn,” that it’s time for Sanders voters to grow up and support Hillary Clinton in the name of party unity are missing the point of the 2016 campaign, perhaps deliberately.
That Clinton is preferable to Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in the near term, for most Sanders supporters, is not in question. But the assertion that we need to get over all this nonsense about “free stuff” and get back to real politics is itself a tactic of warfare, in an overarching conflict that will long outlive this particular nomination battle. The division between Clinton and Sanders is more than symbolic or semiotic, as the 2008 division between Clinton and Barack Obama largely was. Hillary Clinton stands with and for capitalism, forcefully and forthrightly. Sanders’ position is more paradoxical, perhaps of necessity, but let’s put it this way: He stands outside capitalism and to some degree against capitalism, far more so than any American presidential candidate of living memory.
The Sanders campaign was an attempt to seize power in the Democratic Party, largely from outside, and renounce its allegiance to capitalism and its subservience to the entire package of economic, ideological and military imperialism sometimes called the “Washington consensus.” The true danger that campaign presented to the American political establishment lay not so much in Bernie Sanders himself — an unlikely candidate, and a less likely nominee — as in the
heretical ideas it embodied, which may now prove difficult to contain.I never thought that Sanders had any realistic shot at beating Clinton. (He got closer than I ever expected.) Furthermore, I was never convinced that was a viable solution to any of our problems. Sanders calls himself a socialist, at least sometimes, and within his coy or imprecise rhetoric about “political revolution” you can discern an awareness that revolutions don’t start from the top, and that their goals cannot be achieved by electing a new figurehead. I voted for Sanders in the New York primary, for all the good that did anyone, but Hillary Clinton’s supporters have had a viable case all along that given the system we have, she makes a more plausible chief executive for the corroded American republic.
The problem, of course, is precisely that: The system we have doesn’t work. Maybe it used to work a whole lot better than it does now, and maybe it just looked that way — that’s a tendentious historical debate that speaks to important underlying questions, but we’d better set it aside for now. But almost no one, across the ideological spectrum, will try to convince you that the interlocking systems of American politics and the American economy are functioning smoothly for the benefit of all. Reckoning with that political and material reality has required impressive rhetorical agility from Clinton, who more than any other current or former 2016 candidate stands at the intersection of those systems and represents their promise of stability and order. But then, no one has ever accused her of an unwillingness to change her mind, or an inability to mold her language to the moment.Last week I took a first stab…… see link
May 14, 2016 at 11:10 am #44021bnwBlockedStopped at an intersection today I noticed the people in the next lane laughingat something in front of their car. I realized it was a bumper sticker that read –I’m Ready for Hillary 2016. I had to laugh too.
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May 18, 2016 at 3:45 am #44208MackeyserModeratorI never thought I’d see the day when America would seriously dislike a white female politician more than a black male politician.
But, man, the minute she’s in the WH if she gets there, they’re going to be looking to impeach her. They’ll threaten to, but she’s the Republicans best friend.
Well, the first two years, mostly it’ll just be to obstruct like mad, get MASSIVE turnout in the midterms and then prepare to actually win the WH in 2020 in a census year with even more state houses firmly Republican.
I expect them to have tons of investigations.
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May 18, 2016 at 7:23 am #44211bnwBlockedSo Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Email scandal, Clinton Foundation run as a slush fund and blaming and attacking female victims of Bill’s sexual predation are all a
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