Anybody's wife, daughter, girlfriend, etc march today?

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  • January 22, 2017 at 2:31 pm #64121
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    zn wrote:
    wv wrote:

    See, i think ‘what screws over the left’ is that there ISNT one.

    There’s Dems and Reps.

    Jill got one percent of the vote. One percent.

    Where’s ‘the left’ ?

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    I’m a lifelong leftist. And I didn’t vote for Stein. It’s a mistake to characterize the left by who they did or did not vote for in THIS election.

    There is a left in this country, as you know. And for a ton of reasons it does not reduce to who voted for Stein. That just feels like more of the left purism I am complaining about. It goes like this–to ME the left equals these stances, and these actions, and to me that means voting for Stein, and if you didn’t you aren’t.

    See my Monty Python vid a few posts back.

    Making it personal, you’re really saying if I didn’t vote for Stein in your eyes I can’t call myself a leftist?

    Yet…I am a leftist.

    I didn’t vote for Stein either and yet I consider myself a leftist. It was a matter of pragmatism for me. Trump had to be defeated at all costs and a vote for Stein wasn’t going to accomplish that.

    I probably would have voted for Stein under different circumstances but I am at odds with her on one of my core issues that keeps me from being “all in” for her or the Green Party. She is anti-science in that she only believes the science that supports her agenda. She ignores or denies the science that doesn’t.

    But this is a just another example of the diversity of views among leftists that zn and Billy are talking about.

    January 22, 2017 at 2:45 pm #64123
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    Nah, I’m not saying anyone who didnt vote for Stein is not a leftist. Of course zn and nittany are leftists. Duh. I could have added all the usual ‘qualifiers’ to that post, but i didnt think i needed to.

    I stil stand behind my statement there’s no real left in this country. I dont mean that to be taken ‘literally’. There’s a small left in this country.

    If you take the Jill voters and add
    the ‘informed leftists who voted for Hillary for strategic reasons’
    how many voters do we end up with? Whats the percentage of ‘leftist voters’ in this country? I say its less than ten percent of the voters. Probly less than eight percent. Maybe less than five percent.

    Thats what i mean when i say ‘theres no real-left in this country.

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    January 22, 2017 at 3:06 pm #64124
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    wv wrote:

    Whats the percentage of ‘leftist voters’ in this country? I say its less than ten percent of the voters. Probly less than eight percent. Maybe less than five percent.

    Thats what i mean when i say ‘theres no real-left in this country.

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    Well, for every action, there’s an equal and opposite reaction. Maybe four years of Trump will drive enough young people to the left to get something started that can become politically relevant in this country.

    My wife and some of her “bus-mates” that went to the Women’s March are talking about starting a political action group called “Karen’s Voice”. Although not specifically a leftist group many of its ideals will dovetail with leftist ideology. Perhaps we’ll see a lot of grassroots efforts like this spring up over the next four years.

    “Fantasy. Lunacy.
    All revolutions are, until they happen, then they are historical inevitabilities.”
    ― David Mitchell, Cloud Atlas

    January 22, 2017 at 5:02 pm #64129
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    wv wrote:

    Nah, I’m not saying anyone who didnt vote for Stein is not a leftist. Of course zn and nittany are leftists. Duh. I could have added all the usual ‘qualifiers’ to that post, but i didnt think i needed to.

    I stil stand behind my statement there’s no real left in this country. I dont mean that to be taken ‘literally’. There’s a small left in this country.

    If you take the Jill voters and add
    the ‘informed leftists who voted for Hillary for strategic reasons’
    how many voters do we end up with? Whats the percentage of ‘leftist voters’ in this country? I say its less than ten percent of the voters. Probly less than eight percent. Maybe less than five percent.

    Thats what i mean when i say ‘theres no real-left in this country.

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    v

    But. So what else is new. Yeah we’re a minority. But that’s been true all along.

    Still there are signs of progress. I know it’s dark irony to say there’s progress in the Trump Era, but…I cannot imagine Sanders doing as well as he did in any prior election year.

    January 22, 2017 at 6:18 pm #64133
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    zn wrote:

    Third, we weren’t discussing the marches anyway

    …

    I opened this thread about the marches. I simply added that the women accompanying my wife were all smart and from all sorts of political backgrounds. I don’t recall writing anything about a “war”. Maybe my post wasn’t relevant to your discussions with BT but I thought it was relevant to the subject of the thread I started namely women we know that went to the marches.I guess I don’t understand why the attack by you. Oh well/

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    January 22, 2017 at 6:48 pm #64136
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    Billy_T wrote:

    A list of favorite signs, from the WaPo:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/21/my-favorite-signs-at-the-womens-march-on-washington/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0ea02e2690b0

    #FreeMelania
    No Country for Dirty Old Men
    Sad!
    Resistance is Fertile
    Too Worried to be Funny
    If Mom’s Not Happy, Nobody’s Happy
    I Have a Vagenda
    Manchurine Candidate
    Orange Is the New Fascism
    There Is So Much Wrong It Cannot Fit on This Sign
    Super Callous Fragile Ego, Trump You Are Atrocious
    Super Callous Fascist Racist Extra Braggadocious
    Actuaries Against Repeal and Delay
    Leave it to the Beavers
    Viva la Vulva
    (Older woman’s sign:) I Can’t Believe I’m Still Protesting This S—
    J Edgar Comey
    (On image of President Trump as a scarecrow:) If He Only Had a Brain
    (On a drawing of ovaries:) Grow a Pair
    This P—- Grabs Back
    Donald You Ignorant Slut
    Melania, Blink Twice if You Need Help
    Impeach Trump, Convert Pence
    #emoluments
    Sorry World, We’ll Fix This
    (On needlepoint:) I Made This So I Could Stab Something 35,000 Times
    Patriarchy is for D—-
    There Will Be Hell Toupée

    Update, 5:30 p.m.: A few more from your responses on social media:

    I know signs. I make the best signs. They’re great. Everyone agrees.
    I (heart) Journalists.
    Vaginas Brought You Into the World. Vaginas Will Vote You Out.
    I Wish My Uterus Shot Bullets So the Government Wouldn’t Regulate It

    ————
    some of those signs are pretty funny

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    January 22, 2017 at 7:59 pm #64138
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    waterfield wrote:

    I guess I don’t understand why the attack by you. Oh well/

    It wasn’t an “attack”. I was just confused about what you were trying to say and read you in a more negative light than you intended. Just some mutual misreading but my fault for escalating. So let’s let it go. Deal?

    January 22, 2017 at 8:07 pm #64139
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    I had a couple of relatives march in Calgary.

    This is a bus of Canadian marchers on their way to DC. It gave me a chuckle.

    January 22, 2017 at 9:54 pm #64152
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    zn wrote:

    So maybe the better thing to do is what bt just did…say, well, this in reality is the alliance and it includes these views and those views, though speaking for myself I am from this particular faction of that alliance, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans.

    Well, if we can’t blame the Romans, we can at least pin all of this division on Brenda Warner. And if not her, Yoko!!


    McCartney sings The Long and Winding Road, 1976
    (I saw him at the Capital Center during that tour. Amazing concert!)

    January 22, 2017 at 11:11 pm #64157
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    “These women are from different states and never met till today. They practiced this song online.”

    January 22, 2017 at 11:25 pm #64158
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    zn wrote:

    “These women are from different states and never met till today. They practiced this song online.”

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=zLvIw8J8sWE%3Ffeature%3Doembed

    Wow. That is soooo good. Beautiful song, voices, lyrics, people. Their inner and outer beauty shines through.

    Thanks for posting that, ZN. Great way to end a Sunday.

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