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June 13, 2020 at 9:08 pm #116496znModerator
from Marcy Winograd, on Facebook
Below is an interview I did with Phoenix Goodman. I was not at the BLM protest in Santa Monica and am simply relating what Phoenix wrote to me. If what he describes is true (and again I was not there), then we need a full accounting and change in leadership at the SMPD.
When the police closed in on both sides, did they use a net to kettle you? How did they round you up? How many of you do you think?
“The police stood shoulder to shoulder, shield to shield from one end of the sidewalk to the other on both sides, creating an airtight wall of officers that no one on the street could escape from. For about 20-30 minutes in this position, they received orders every few minutes to take steps forward, tightening the gap. For the entirety of this time, trapped individuals like myself, who had not been rioting or looting, but merely standing peacefully and chanting/holding signs were begging to be let out to go home.
We were all ordered to stand back and helplessly await our fate. It was a dramatic scene, people screaming to be let out, a girl having a panic attack, medics who were not protesters but simply there to administer medical help were begging to be let out. Finally, the police all decisively moved in from both sides and grabbed everyone that was trapped, detaining all of us and confiscating all our possessions. I was told that I was being temporarily detained and not being arrested. They did not read us any rights and did not tell us what we were being arrested for, even when we asked them.”
Where did they take you to?
“They boarded us onto a police bus and hauled us to a holding center at the Santa Monica airport. They took all of our names and had us wait for hours, until around midnight we were put on various buses and dropped off at various locations around the city. When we got off the bus, everyone was told that they would not be receiving their possessions. At this point, we were notified that we had been arrested for the 6pm curfew.”
What time did they dump you out in the street without your wallet and keys?
“They dumped us on the street at approximately midnight with no phone to call anyone, wallet to buy anything, or keys in case we could make it to our home or cars. They said we could pick our things up the next morning at the police station, which was miles away. The only thing any of us could do was find kind strangers on the street to borrow their phones or simply walk to the station and wait until morning.”
Anything else?
“I got to the station at 8:30, the time they had said it would be available. At the entrance, the officer notified us that it would be a week before we could pick up our belongings. Since people had just gone through all that, and had somehow found a way to make it there the next morning, and then told that our phone, wallet and keys wouldn’t be available for a week, regardless of the officers the night before telling us it would be available at that time, people got livid. The Lawyer’s Guild representatives told them that they could not do this. At this point I got R’s number. When I got back that morning is when I sent that original message. A few hours lady I contacted R and she notified me that between the pressure from them and the disaffected people causing a scene they finally caved and started releasing people’s belongings.”
Also, I’ll point out this irony; we were arrested for curfew and then dumped on the street in the middle of the night during that same curfew.”June 13, 2020 at 10:20 pm #116501znModerator“The protesters had to deescalate the police”: Demonstrators are the ones defusing violence at protests
Protesters describe the excessive force they’ve seen police use in cities across the country.The police response to protests across the country has been strikingly similar.
In Philadelphia, police cornered peaceful protesters on the side of a highway and tear-gassed them en masse. In Portland, Oregon, law enforcement used what’s known as a sound cannon — or a Long Range Acoustic Device — to send a piercing signal through a crowd of demonstrators. And in Washington, DC, National Guard officers flew military helicopters over protesters on the ground, an intimidation tactic aimed at getting them to leave.
At demonstration after demonstration, officers have met peaceful protesters, who are condemning the police killing of George Floyd, and police violence more broadly, with disproportionate and brutal force, often for no reason but to “disperse” a crowd. The approach has only illustrated how quick police can be to use violent tactics, particularly against black individuals.
The irony of this dynamic isn’t lost on protesters: By responding with brutality in demonstrations about police brutality, police are effectively helping activists make their point.
“The continuity across these spaces, the cruelty, the egregious militarized force, it forces you to come to the conclusion that this is systemic,” says Krystal Strong, 35, a member of Black Lives Matter in Philadelphia, who recalled watching a young black man get rammed with a police bike at a recent demonstration. “It’s not just Minneapolis. It’s not just Chicago or LA.”
Vox spoke with 10 protesters in seven cities — and nearly all of them had either directly witnessed or been subject to police violence while participating in marches and rallies in recent weeks.
“It’s affirmed that policing is brutal,” says Melina Abdullah, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Los Angeles, of her experience. “If I were the police, strategically I would say at a police brutality march, don’t be brutal. It’s just not smart; it’s bad optics.”
Police have escalated the violence at protests
The protesters who spoke with Vox all had a common experience: Regardless of the demonstration they attended — whether it was a peaceful march or a rally that included graffiti and property damage — the police were the ones who escalated the situation. And across the board, that response was seen as entirely disproportionate to the activity that may have prompted it.
During a peaceful protest in Toledo, Ohio, 29-year-old attorney Matthew Ahn said he saw police shooting wooden bullets directly at people, severely injuring at least two individuals. “One of the projectiles hit someone directly in the foot and broke multiple bones in his foot,” he said. “There were several puddles of blood left where he was.” Throughout a day of demonstrations, Ahn — who attended the protests in a personal, not professional, capacity — says police shot pepper balls, rubber bullets, or wooden bullets at protesters seven different times.
In Los Angeles, Abdullah described watching a state highway patrol car plow into a crowd of protesters and knock a man out in the process. “We didn’t know he was alive at the moment,” she says. “He was unconscious.”
And in Washington, DC, Allison Lane, a 34-year-old podcaster and bartender, recalled being among more than 100 protesters who were “kettled” by police into a residential neighborhood.
Last week, roughly 70 protesters, including Lane, were taken in by a resident named Rahul Dubey, who housed them for an entire night as police waited outside to arrest people for curfew violations. “Police officers were pepper-spraying wildly at people who were trying to get inside the home,” she said. “The scene inside … is people pouring milk into their eyes, using eyewash bottles.”
These incidents are among hundreds that have occurred in the past few weeks as thousands have taken to the streets to protest the police killings of black people, following Floyd’s death. A Twitter thread that’s since gone viral includes more than 200 video clips that capture police tear-gassing, shoving, and beating protesters with batons — and those are simply the offenses that have been taped.
Such acts of police violence have contributed to a number of injuries — rubber bullets have blinded multiple individuals, while beatings have resulted in broken bones — and one death. In Louisville, Kentucky, where officers still haven’t been charged in the shooting death of Breonna Taylor, police shot and killed David McAtee near his business when he was out past curfew in early June.
“The protesters had to deescalate the police”
Demonstrators emphasize that they now go into marches expecting violence because of how law enforcement has behaved up to this point.
“I didn’t expect anything but violence — that’s all we’re thinking about,” said Lane.
Given the precedent for police behavior, protesters have been told to prepare and steel themselves for such treatment. Organizers encourage protesters to inform friends and family about where they are and set up a phone tree of emergency contacts. Additionally, demonstrators have been urged to dress in long-sleeved shirts and pants and to bring goggles in case tear gas or pepper spray is used.
Multiple organizers told Vox they try to protest with medical support directly on hand, to deal with both the exhaustion that protesters may experience and potential injuries that could result from police activity. “We now only do marches with medics present, and that’s been very helpful,” Abdullah, the Los Angeles BLM organizer, told Vox. As the New York Times reported, there’s been a surge of medical professionals and volunteers getting training to serve as “street medics” following the police violence at many demonstrations.
There have been some changes in how police have responded since the start of the protests more than two weeks ago. As cities have lifted curfews, and demonstrations have fluctuated in size, the police reaction has become less confrontational, in some instances. Protesters have speculated that this shift was due to the poor optics police had encountered, particularly when it came to high-profile incidents like the tear-gassing of peaceful demonstrators in front of the White House.
At the marches where law enforcement has taken a more aggressive approach, the escalation by police often came with little warning, protesters say. It can be chaotic, frightening, and overwhelming.
“There were many moments where we grabbed each other, where we pulled each other to safety. It’s a moment-to-moment reevaluation of the situation,” says Strong.
In some instances, protesters have called on white allies to put “white bodies to the front” when it appears that police are advancing on a crowd, because it’s less likely law enforcement will use fatal force on white activists. “I don’t think I was ready for how scared I felt,” said Steven, 25, a white protester in Washington, DC, who was tear-gassed and shoved by police multiple times on June 1.
Ultimately, many protesters note that they’ve been forced to deescalate police rather than the other way around — and they warn that activists should be ready to do just that. During a demonstration outside Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti’s house on June 2, for example, Abdullah says protesters were the ones who actually defused the tension.
“The protesters had to deescalate the police,” she said. “The protesters who were in front of the police began to just sit down to create almost a human fencing around the rest of us to prevent the police [from] being able to run in.”
The actions protesters have witnessed have further confirmed their views of police
For many protesters, the treatment they’ve witnessed only reaffirms the views they held about police.
“For them to be so brutal and repressive and terrible at these marches just affirms to me that policing in this country can’t continue to exist in its current form. You can’t tinker around the edges; it’s in the DNA,” says Abdullah.
Activists say the protests have strengthened their resolve to hold police accountable and to push for policy changes that fundamentally upend the current system. A major rallying cry at many of these protests has been a call not simply to reform the police but to defund the institution. The justification for this effort is straightforward: States and cities can reduce funding for the police and instead transfer that money to social services programs like food aid and education — to better address the core causes of both inequities and crime.
In Los Angeles, activists have urged officials to consider what they’re calling the “people’s budget,” which would reduce the allocation for law enforcement entities from roughly 54 percent of the city’s general fund budget to 6 percent.
The role that the protests have played in further highlighting police abuses has parallels in history: Nonviolent protest as a means to raise awareness of state violence was also a key goal of civil rights protests led by Martin Luther King Jr. and demonstrations against British rule by Mahatma Gandhi in India.
During the protests in the 1960s, the marches drew attention to police violence — as did the horrific treatment of protesters by police. “Aggressive dispersion tactics, such as police dogs and fire hoses, against individuals in peaceful protests and sit-ins, were the most widely publicized examples of police brutality in that era,” Katie Nodjimbadem writes for Smithsonian Magazine.
“Even back in the 1960s, when Dr. King was marching, part of the reason for the march was to expose the brutality,” Abdullah emphasizes.
There are legal actions protesters can take to hold police accountable
There is legal recourse for protesters who have suffered injuries at the hands of police, but there have historically been some pretty big obstacles to getting accountability.
Such barriers are largely due to the protections that police have in the case of civil lawsuits, because of a legal doctrine known as qualified immunity: In order to even go to trial with an allegation of police misconduct, an individual needs to show not only that it was a violation of their civil rights, but also that there’s precedent for that same action being considered unlawful in prior cases.
This shield has enabled police officers to avoid liability on many acts of misconduct in the past, including shootings, theft, and property damage.
Still, experts tell Vox that protesters have plenty of grounds to pursue legal action — and already, there have been multiple cases in the past month where the officer involved faces criminal charges.
“Police officers have the right to use force in a number of situations, but they never have the right to use excessive force or brutality. That is always illegal,” says University of Chicago law professor Craig Futterman, who founded the Civil Rights and Police Accountability Project.
Protesters have three avenues they can take, Futterman notes: They can file a civil lawsuit against a specific officer for violating their constitutional rights, they can register a complaint with the city or police station involved, or they can report the incident to a district attorney, who could then file a criminal lawsuit.
In recent weeks, there have been at least two cases where such legal recourse has been effective: In New York City, the district attorney has charged a police officer with assault for shoving a protester during a demonstration in Brooklyn, and in Buffalo, New York, the district attorney has charged two police officers, who were filmed pushing an elderly man to the ground, with assault. The ACLU and Black Lives Matter are among those working with protesters to advance legal actions on this front.
But while the outcome of a lawsuit could help increase police accountability, it doesn’t do much in the near term for protesters fielding medical bills and injuries.
“In terms of compensation from the city or the police department, the only way would be to file a lawsuit, which would take time,” University of Memphis law professor Steven Mulroy tells Vox. He notes that legal advocates could put pressure on police departments to more quickly cover these costs without going to court. “A lawyer could send a demand letter — if you provide this amount to defray the medical expenses, we’ll hold off on pursuing a lawsuit,” he says.
Such accountability, while important, isn’t enough to fix the systemic nature of these abuses, though. To do that, protesters emphasize that the dem
July 23, 2020 at 6:40 pm #118313znModeratorFrom Facebook
Erik Michael Swan
I wouldn’t usually post something like this, but I have a front row seat to current events and feel like I need to speak out.
I live less than two miles from the Justice Center in downtown Portland, where the majority of the racial justice protests and demonstrations have taken place. These protests have been going for over 50 days straight as of today.
Anyone who calls these protests “riots” or the protesters “violent anarchists” is lying to you. How do I know this? Because I’ve had protesters march down my street, because I’ve SEEN THEM MYSELF.
I feel safe around the protesters. It’s been the cops who have instigated and escalated the violence, again and again. They have tear gassed people dozens of times, choking people out of their own homes, and pulled them out of their cars into clouds of tear gas. They shot Donovan La Bella in the head with “non-lethal” projectiles while he was holding a speaker playing music, fracturing his skull and hospitalizing him. They’ve pulled people’s masks down and pepper sprayed them in the face.
Earlier on, the people of the city demanded the police stop tear gassing its own citizens exercising their right to assembly. The city revised their protocol and restricted the police’s usage. What happened after that was that the police began declaring riots on flimsier and flimsier pretenses. Claiming protesters had a “pipe bomb” when no one has been charged with possession of one and the police have not produced any evidence. Items they have claimed were thrown at them and used to declare a riot: a can of white claw, a can of beans and (I am not making this up) a half-eaten apple.
So who is on the streets in Portland? It’s beyond the scope of this post to really cover the different factions that have played a part. There have been windows broken, plenty of graffiti and some robberies and vandalism of property downtown (that was earlier on in the protests, since then whatever damage has occurred has been primarily on the Justice Center and Federal Courthouse). Protesters and local organizers have condemned the damage.
But the people on the streets are not violent anarchists. They are from all walks of life. They are peaceful people exercising their freedom of assembly to protest racial injustice. They are mothers, fathers, sons and daughters of our community. They are people who’ve experienced injustice and brutality in this very city, which the cops so eagerly demonstrate every day.
And now we have unmarked federal agents roaming the city, grabbing peaceful protesters for no cause, dragging them to the courthouse and apparently releasing them as soon as they ask for a lawyer. No charges have been made and these agents refuse to identify themselves or the agency they work for.
I don’t think it can be understated what that has done to galvanize the movement in this city. The Trump administration couldn’t have done anything better to solidify popular support for the protesters’ cause. For every person they take, 10 more join the protests.
This is not an exaggeration. These are literal fascist tactics taking to our streets right now based on lies and propaganda. And what is their reasoning? Vandalism and graffiti of a federal building? For that they deploy unmarked federal agents to abduct people at random?
There are no violent riots in Portland. I don’t fear my fellow citizens of this community. I fear the police. I fear the government agents who are silently stripping our constitutionally protected rights to assemble, to free speech, against search and seizure… the list goes on. But what’s happening in this city should leave every American horrified at what we’ve become. If we let this go, they will only come for you next.
The lines are clear here. Don’t listen to the lies. Stand with the people of Portland.
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July 25, 2020 at 10:14 pm #118425znModeratorfrom Facebook
“Professor Maureen Healy is the chair of the history department at Lewis and Clark College. She teaches Modern European History, with a specialization in the history of Germany and Eastern Europe (and the rise of fascism). She was shot in the head by federal agents on Monday night and is recovering from the injury and the concussion, but shared a statement of her experience, and gave permission to share this.
—Statement by Maureen Healy, July 22, 2020
Since June, I have been attending peaceful protests in Portland neighborhoods in support of Black Lives Matter. I have gone with family and friends.
I am a 52-year-old mother. I am a history professor.
I went downtown yesterday to express my opinion as a citizen of the United States, and as a resident of Portland. Of Oregon. This is my home. I was protesting peacefully. So why did federal troops shoot me in the head Monday night?
I was in a large crowd of ordinary folks. Adults, teens, students. Moms and dads. It looked to me like a cross-section of the City. Black Lives Matter voices led the crowd on a peaceful march from the Justice Center past the murals at the Apple store. The marchers were singing songs. We were chanting. We were saying names of Black people that have been killed by police. We observed a moment of silence in front of the George Floyd mural.
I wanted to, and will continue to, exercise my First Amendment right to speak. Federal troops have been sent to my city to extinguish these peaceful protests. I was not damaging federal property. I was in a crowd with at least a thousand other ordinary people. I was standing in a public space.
In addition to being a Portland resident, I am also a historian. My field is Modern European History, with specialization in the history of Germany and Eastern Europe. I teach my students about the rise of fascism in Europe.
By professional training and long years of teaching, I am knowledgeable about the historical slide by which seemingly vibrant democracies succumbed to authoritarian rule. Militarized federal troops are shooting indiscriminately into crowds of ordinary people in our country. We are on that slide.
It dawned on me when I was in the ER, and had a chance to catch my breath (post tear gas): my government did this to me. My own government. I was not shot by a random person in the street. A federal law enforcement officer pulled a trigger that sent an impact munition into my head.
After being hit I was assisted greatly by several volunteer medics. At least one of them was with Rosehip Medic Collective. To take shelter from the teargas I was hustled into a nearby van. Inside they bandaged my head and drove me several blocks away. From there my family took me to the ER. I am grateful for the assistance, skill, and incredibly kind care of these volunteer medics.
We must take this back to Black Lives Matter. Police brutality against Black people is the real subject of these peaceful protests that have been happening in my city and across the country. What happened to me is nothing. It is nothing compared to what happens to Black citizens at the hands of law enforcement, mostly local police, every day. And that is why we have been marching. That is why I will continue to march.”
July 26, 2020 at 9:55 am #118432ZooeyModeratorJuly 26, 2020 at 9:57 am #118434ZooeyModeratorIn Portland, the Hockey Stick Brigade is now in force, smacking tear gas canisters back in the direction they came from: the illegal occupying army.
Photo by Nathan Howard
July 26, 2020 at 9:59 am #118435ZooeyModeratorPosted by a resident of Portland, OR
While I’ve been sort of following the ongoing events in Portland, I was floored by the information I recently received from my father-in-law, Alden Roberts. It is incredibly important that people know what is happening in Portland, because it is very scary and has very real implications for our entire country.
By way of context, Alden is a general surgeon, retired as the Chief Medical Officer of a hospital in Vancouver, Washington, and just finished his term as the Chairman of the Washington Medical Commission (the state agency that licenses and oversees all doctors in the state). I share this information to emphasize that he is a community leader, a very smart, educated, and informed person, and is not one to exaggerate or spread misinformation.
Here’s what he has observed in Portland over the past few days:“1. The protests are confined to a 2 block radius around the courthouse, and if you’re 4 blocks away, you can’t tell anything has been happening. There is nothing going on outside of that region, and Portland is functioning as normally as the Pandemic will allow. It is not burning, nor is it out of control.
2. The protesters are absolutely peaceful at the Protests that I have been part of, and with the exception of graffiti, are completely within their constitutional rights to protest. The protests involve singing, chanting, and have used “white walls” to block whites who are trying to disrupt or corrupt the protests. Yes, cursing is rather commonplace. More than ½ of the protesters are white. All are protesting for Black Lives Matter, although the entrance of the federal paramilitary force has brought out a lot of people, including myself, who are incensed at the use of unregulated federal force against law abiding citizen and against the will of the state and local governments.
3. ALL of the protesters are wearing masks to minimize transmission of CoV-2. However, as at times there are 1000 or more of us, it is hard (though not impossible) to maintain social distancing. When the federal paramilitary force is deployed, it becomes impossible.
4. The Police responded unprovoked and were brutal, but nothing like the paramilitary force. There is a court order that forbids the police to use teargas. I was not there when it was just the police.
5. At the protests I have attended, I did not witness any unlawfulness on the part of the protesters. Each time, the federal paramilitary personnel launched an apparently unprovoked attack. There have been no “riots.” The federal paramilitary force has had no training in crowd control, has no oversight, was not invited to Portland by local leadership, does not have any form of identification do not wear name badges, and wears military camo. They are heavily armed with flash-bang grenades, less-lethal bullets, pepper bullets, pepper spray and tear gas. They will pull goggles off of protesters and spray pepper spray into their eyes. They used a baton to beat a US Navy vet, broke his hand and sprayed pepper spray in his eyes because he asked why they weren’t honoring their vow to protect the constitution. During the assault, he stood still and did not resist until blinded by the pepper spray, he turned around and walked away. The “line of mothers” on Sunday was gassed and shot with less-lethal bullets for chanting Black Lives Matter. At least one was pregnant. A protester holding a sign up with both hands was shot in the head with a “non-lethal” bullet and will likely have permanent brain damage. While I have not personally seen this, there are videos of people being kidnapped into unmarked vans by the federal paramilitaries as they left the protests, held for a couple of days, interrogated, then released without charges or explanation. At this time, re-read my first two points. The protests are no threat to Portland and only encompass a 2 block area. They have been peaceful, with graffiti as the only illegal activity. They are well controlled and supported by a cross section of Portlanders. There is no reason for the federal government to be involved, and the excessive force being used appears to be nothing more than a political show of force against US Citizens by the Trump administration.
6. About 3000 protesters showed up last night (July 21); all with masks, very well behaved. Certainly no chaos, no violence on the part of the protesters. I left at 10:30, the paramilitary attacked at 12:30. I spent an hour talking to the medics. They say they are being targeted by the paramilitary personnel. They are often the first to be shot at and tear gassed. When they try to help an injured protester, the paramilitary personnel throw flash-bangs and tear gas at them (they carry gas masks). One of them was beaten, dragged away from the injured person they were treating and arrested. They are from OHSU as well as Portland Fire.
7. The Elk statue was taken down by the Police to “protect” it, but the Elk statue was a favorite of the protesters because it was uncontroversial; so they got a blow-up elk and put it where the real statue used to stand. It’s sort of a rallying point.”
This should concern, if not terrify, all of us. This is an unidentified and unaccountable federal police presence attacking American citizens who are not violating any federal laws. This is literally how the “secret police” in other authoritarian regimes began. The comparison to the early stages of Nazi Germany is NOT AN EXAGGERATION anymore.
July 26, 2020 at 10:24 am #118440wvParticipantPosted by a resident of Portland, OR
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7. The Elk statue was taken down by the Police to “protect” it, but the Elk statue was a favorite of the protesters because it was uncontroversial; so they got a blow-up elk and put it where the real statue used to stand. It’s sort of a rallying point.”
… This is literally how the “secret police” in other authoritarian regimes began…————————-
I just wanna know where one gets “blow up Elk” dolls from.
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