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March 27, 2018 at 8:59 pm #84646wvParticipant
I wonder how Aaron Donald feels about Suh coming in?
I wonder if Aaron Donald will report to camp or sit out again. Or worse.
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vMarch 27, 2018 at 9:21 pm #84652InvaderRamModeratorI wonder how Aaron Donald feels about Suh coming in?
I wonder if Aaron Donald will report to camp or sit out again. Or worse.
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vthe rams consulted not only donald but other players on defense. i think the rams approached this the right way. does this mean it’ll work? no. but i think bringing the players in was the right approach.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-sean-mcvay-20180327-story.html
The Rams sought feedback from Donald, Peters, Talib, defensive lineman Michael Brockers and safety Lamarcus Joyner while pursuing Suh, McVay said. Donald, 26, also communicated with the 31-year-old Suh during the process, the coach said.
“The mutual respect that exists between those two players was imperative and really paramount to even pursue this in the first place,” McVay said. “They felt good about it.
“And I think the one thing you feel so good about Aaron Donald is he said, ‘Hey, the guy’s a great football player. If he can help us win let’s get him on board.'”
April 1, 2018 at 9:03 pm #84768znModeratorUh, is @AaronDonald97 the best defensive player in the league because he trains against actual knives? š® (via @2_10ths) pic.twitter.com/3PgJAjqBUk
— The Checkdown (@thecheckdown) April 1, 2018
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The knives aināt real hahah
— AD_99 (@AaronDonald97) April 1, 2018
April 2, 2018 at 12:16 am #84772InvaderRamModeratori just wanna say that i’m glad aaron didn’t say lol.
April 2, 2018 at 2:15 am #84778znModeratorIn case you were thinking this is dangerous, these are fake knives. Just take a minute to appreciate the hand work and fluidity. Beast!! When hard work meets talent.
— Chris Long (@JOEL9ONE) April 2, 2018
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Aaron Donaldās scary-looking workout was real, but the knives apparently were not
It would seem that Aaron Donaldās training session, video of which caused quite a stir Sunday, was not an April Foolsā Day prank. However, the Rams defensive lineman eventually acknowledged that the knives involved ā yes, knives ā were not āreal.ā
That information undoubtedly came as a relief to the Rams and their fans, not to mention anyone else who has enjoyed watching the 2017 NFL defensive player of the year wreck opposing offenses. Until his clarification, it sure looked like Donaldās frightening workout was meant to provide an exceedingly painful incentive for him to keep swatting away the arms of his training partner.
The knives aināt real hahah
— AD_99 (@AaronDonald97) April 1, 2018
Okay, so the knives were not, in fact, a threat to leave Donald bleeding all over the turf while learning how to defeat blockers.
In retrospect, the Rams would have been looking daggers at anyone even thinking about putting their star defensive player in that much actual peril during an offseason workout. Nevertheless, itās not hard to imagine that even props-department knives could produce an effective psychological reaction, and they certainly did on the Internet, which had some sharp takes on the video.
If the video wasnāt as scary as it initially appeared, the thought that Donald is working hard to get better has to be legitimately terrifying to the Ramsā opponents. Statistics rarely do justice to interior defenders, but Donald still racked up some impressive numbers in 2017 with 32 tackles, 11 sacks, five forced fumbles and one pass defensed, and of which came in just 14 games.
In 2018, Donald will be paired with the Ramsā most recent acquisition, Ndamukong Suh, giving offensive linemen twice as many nightmares. The former Dolphins and Lions star figures to occupy his share of blockers, allowing Donald even more chances to slice through lines and carve up quarterbacks.
In the meantime, take it from Eagles defensive lineman Chris Long, who would know a thing or two about how much value Donald got from his training session, to point out that the blades involved were the only dull aspect to the video.
April 2, 2018 at 8:03 am #84785wvParticipantFake knives?
How disappointing. This league has become so politically correct and soft.
I remember when Deacon used swords coated with poison.
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vApril 4, 2018 at 12:02 pm #84903znModeratorApril 4, 2018 at 8:03 pm #84924znModeratorFinding comps for Rams’ Suh-Donald pairing is not easy
Alden Gonzalez
LOS ANGELES — Only 21 defensive tackles have been named first-team All-Pro by the Associated Press on at least three occasions.
Two of them now play for the Los Angeles Rams.
When Ndamukong Suh signed a one-year, $14 million contract to join the team that employs Aaron Donald, he didn’t just form what might be the game’s most menacing pass rush; he became half of a duo that might turn out to be unrivaled throughout NFL history.
With Ndamukong Suh joining Aaron Donald, the Rams’ pass rush will be the first of its kind. AP Photo/Wilfredo Lee
Suh and Donald have combined for six All-Pro selections. In no other instance have two defensive tackles with at least three All-Pro selections each been teammates, at any point in their careers. There have been six instances when two defensive tackles with at least two first-team All-Pros resided on the same team, but only two of those duos were part of the same defensive line after they had already accomplished that feat.In other words, comps for the Suh-Donald pairing are a rare find.
There were potentially great ones that were painstakingly close to forming but didn’t. Bob Lilly retired the year before the Dallas Cowboys drafted Randy White in 1975. Charlie Johnson’s last season came right before the Minnesota Vikings selected Keith Millard in 1985. Cortez Kennedy hung them up right before John Randle joined the Seattle Seahawks in 2001. And Suh — set to be introduced by the Rams on Thursday morning — officially left the Detroit Lions two days before they traded for Haloti Ngata.
Now he forms an even greater pairing, and we tried to come up with similar ones:
Alex Karras and Roger Brown: Brown is involved in the only two defensive-tackle pairings that involved each member already being named first-team All-Pro at least twice. The other took place with Merlin Olsen for the Rams from 1967-69. But this one with Karras lasted longer, from 1960-66, for the Lions. It encompassed Brown’s first seven seasons, which saw him get invited to five Pro Bowls. Karras — also a professional wrestler and actor — was invited to four of them during that time, even though he missed an entire season serving a gambling suspension. The Lions never made the playoffs with them as teammates; this would become a theme.
Rosey Grier and Olsen: While Karras and Brown were doing their thing along the interior in Detroit, Grier and Olsen were doing it in L.A. The two were teammates from 1963-66, the early stages of a devastating defensive line that would eventually be called “The Fearsome Foursome.” Olsen, one of the greatest defensive tackles ever, spent all 15 of his Hall of Fame seasons with the Rams, making the Pro Bowl in all but one of them. His second, third, fourth and fifth year — from 1963 to 1966 — came alongside Grier, a two-time Pro Bowler who joined him after seven seasons with the New York Giants. The Rams won only 22 of 56 games with Grier and Olsen, but it surely wasn’t on them.
William Perry and Steve McMichael: Perry, whose massive frame made him “The Fridge,” soaked up most of the fame. But McMichael was a steady contributor for Chicago Bears teams throughout the 1980s, one of which won it all behind one of the most dominant defenses ever. That 1985 Super Bowl-winning season was Perry’s first. He and McMichael were teammates for eight full seasons, six of which saw the Bears reach the playoffs. Perry and McMichael combined for 94 sacks from 1985-92, and 65.5 of them came from McMichael, a two-time All-Pro (and, strangely, another professional wrestler on this list). Their combined weight topped 600 pounds, in case you’re wondering.
April 5, 2018 at 12:44 am #84931znModeratorWhat I expect to see new from Aaron this year:
I think this is the year he figures out that all that work and all those tactics to get around linemen isn’t worth it when all you really have to do is pick the guy up and throw him at the quarterback.
April 6, 2018 at 8:53 am #84955znModeratorChris Long@JOEL9ONE
In case you were thinking this is dangerous, these are fake knives.from Krav Maga training has Rams All-Pro Aaron Donald dodging knives
One very important note: The knives are not real. They’re meant for training and are made of a hard rubber that won’t penetrate the skin. The man wielding those knives, with thick pads on his arms to sustain the blows from Donald’s lightning-quick hands, is Al Carson, better known as “Poodie.”
Carson, 49, is a longtime police officer who teaches law enforcement and civilians a fighting system called Krav Maga, which was originally developed by the Israel Defense Forces. Carson learned the techniques from a man named David Kahn, the U.S. chief instructor of Krav Maga and a former football player at Princeton. Kahn began adapting the principles of Krav Maga for football players, and Carson, who is also an assistant football coach at a high school near Pittsburgh, began doing the same for professional athletes a couple of years ago.
“We teach them to attack the attacker,” Carson said, “or a counter to the counter.”
Carson has spent the past two months working with Donald, taking him through a variety of Krav Maga drills three times a week, immediately after he finishes his high-intensity training with Brown.
“I am very, very impressed with Aaron,” Carson said. “His hands are just — theyāre at a different level compared to the average NFL player. And his eye-and-hand-and-feet coordination are just superior to a lot of the NFL players that Iāve trained. I can truly understand why he is the best defensive player in the NFL, because heās a different breed. When God made Aaron Donald, he only made one of him.”
The viral video of Donald dodging knives is only a sampling of a larger concept that, in theory, provides defensive linemen with the hand skills to shed blocks as quickly and as forcefully as possible.
Brown, who trains Donald through his company, 2/10ths Speed & Agility, is searching for unique ways to challenge Donald and the other NFL players who regularly train with him. His system puts linemen through drills traditionally reserved for skill-position players, giving them superior footwork for their positions. But Brown was looking for ways to also speed up his players’ hands, and this year he called on Carson to implement an unconventional system.
Donald embraced it.
“Aaronās a fast learner,” Brown said. “Yeah, heās quick, his first step. Heās explosive, heās strong. But Aaronās anticipation is the No. 1 thing that separates him from everybody else. He anticipates snaps; he anticipates how people are lined up.”
And he anticipates knives.Donald, who will team up with another dominant interior lineman in Ndamukong Suh this fall with the Rams, has been named first-team All-Pro after each of his past three seasons. Donald’s 39 sacks from 2014 to 2017 led all defensive tackles. His 91 total pressures this past season, a measurement used by Pro Football Focus, led all players.
But part of Donald — a part Brown sees often — believes he hasn’t yet played his best football.
“He’s even more motivated now,” Brown said, “and I think his goal is to become the best defensive lineman in the history of the game. We donāt know if heās going to get there yet, but I think thatās his goal.”
April 9, 2018 at 9:05 pm #85034nittany ramModerator#MondayMotivation brought to you by @AaronDonald97 š³ pic.twitter.com/sj0H5tP5ij
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) April 9, 2018
April 9, 2018 at 9:34 pm #85037znModerator#MondayMotivation brought to you by @AaronDonald97
Thanks!
April 9, 2018 at 9:39 pm #85038InvaderRamModeratori bet he’s a great hugger.
but seriously. i’ll be pissed if they don’t extend this guy. let’s get this contract done already and then move on to cooks.
April 10, 2018 at 9:44 pm #85050znModeratorAaron Donald on verge of being highest-paid defender?
Chris Wesseling
As Tinsel Town’s Showtime Rams dominate the NFL’s offseason news cycle, inquiring minds want to know how the organization will squeeze Aaron Donald’s impending mega contract into a salary cap suddenly saturated with star power.
General manager Les Snead assured reporters last week that a new deal for Donald has already been budgeted into the team’s financial plans.
The Rams front office is under no illusion that the most valuable non-quarterback in the league will sign for anything less than top dollar.
Appearing on The MMQB Podcast with Peter King, Snead casually acknowledged that Donald is poised to supersede new teammate Ndamukong Suh as the game’s highest-paid defender.
“The nice thing about Ndamukong,” Snead offered, “at age 31 and somebody who’s been the highest-paid defensive player in football, winning was very important in this phase of his career.
“He’s well aware that when you can partner, be beside someone who is on the verge of being the highest-paid defensive player in football, then that’s a really good thing. I guess you’d say two is better than one.”
That makes sense. Over the past two years, Donald has surpassed a suddenly snakebit J.J. Watt as the dominant defensive force, featuring unparalleled speed off the snap.
The Rams have made it clear that Donald’s contract extension is a top priority, with team sources assuring NFL Network’s Steve Wyche that no player acquired this offseason will upset the budget already set aside for the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
Here’s where it gets tricky, though: Donald isn’t the lone upper-echelon defensive star in search of a market-setting contract.
Raiders pass rusher Khalil Mack, the 2016 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, is also seeking a lucrative new deal.
Whereas Donald spent last summer as a training-camp holdout in search of a pay day, it’s fair to wonder if his representatives will switch gears this time around, waiting for Mack to set a market soon to be surpassed by his counterpart in Los Angeles.
April 12, 2018 at 3:08 pm #85088znModeratorfrom NFL Draft Rumors
ALBERT BREER
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/12/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-rumors-quarterback-mmqb
Itāll be interesting to see which deal gets done firstāone for Rams DT Aaron Donald or Raiders DE Khalil Mack. Both are expected to get past Ndamukong Suhās non-QB record of just under $19.1 million per. The question is who tops whom, something those in the agent community are watching since Donald is repped by CAA and Mack by fellow titan Lagardere. āThe agents are in an armās race,ā said another prominent agent. āAnd theyāre backed by two of the biggest companies in sports entertainment, so money isnāt relevant to them. Looking like they won is.ā The two direct agents, by the way, are Todd France (Donald) and Joel Segal (Mack), both of whom have pretty impressive client lists.
3. Part of the issue for Mack may be the Raidersā willingness to hand over a big number in fully guaranteed money, since they arenāt as cash-rich as some other franchises and those dollars have to be fully funded. Suhās 2015 deal still has the highest full guarantee for a defensive player in NFL history, at just under $60 million. Denverās Von Miller is second at $44 million.
April 13, 2018 at 11:19 am #85099znModeratorHere’s what Aaron Donald told Sean McVay about adding Ndamukong Suh
Cameron DaSilva
Here's what Aaron Donald told Sean McVay about adding Ndamukong Suh
One of the hurdles the Los Angeles Rams had to get over in order to sign Ndamukong Suh was ensuring that Aaron Donald was OK with the move. Thatās not to say he could have prevented the team from inking Suh, but upsetting him by signing an outside free agent to a contract worth double his salary wouldnāt have been wise long-term.
Fortunately, Donald gave Les Snead and Sean McVay the green light after he was approached about the possibility of Suh joining the Rams. That came as no surprise, knowing Donaldās personality and demeanor, but the Rams were right to ask him before making a splash like that.
McVay and Snead shared insight on Donaldās response to the Rams hosting Suh, but we never heard it from his mouth. On Episode 3 of āBehind the Grind,ā Donald spoke on the situation.
āCoach McVay called me and was asking me about it and asked how I would feel about it, and I said, āHey, if he can come in and do what heās been doing and making plays, bring him in, Coach! Weāre trying to win a Super Bowl.ā
The idea of adding Suh to a defensive line that already featured Donald and Michael Brockers seemed like a pipe dream. After all, the Rams didnāt exactly have the most money to offer and play a scheme that Suhās never been in.
However, the former Lion and Dolphin put money aside and focused on winning, which is something the Rams did plenty of a year ago. Heās excited about playing with Donald, and the feeling is mutual.
āYou got Brock on the other side. You got Suh, and then you got myself,ā Donald added. āAnd I know theyāre going to bring some new, good edge rushers in to help us, too. So Iām excited to work with him, play with him, build a brotherhood with him, so weāre gonna see.ā
The Rams still have plenty of work to do in the draft ā particularly at linebacker ā but theyāre in great shape at this point in time. Simply having Donald, Suh and Brockers on the same defensive line, to go along with Aqib Talib, Marcus Peters and Lamarcus Joyner in the secondary, gives them one of the top defenses in the NFL.
April 14, 2018 at 2:13 am #85116znModeratorAaron Donald-Khalil Mack debate
Bucky Brooks
THE DONALD-MACK DEBATE: Is inside or outside pressure more valuable?
We keep talking about the NFL being a quarterback-driven league, but this offseason could change that narrative when the past two Defensive Player of the Year recipients sign deals that pay them “quarterback money” for their dominance as disruptive pass rushers.
Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack are each on the verge of breaking the bank. Both fifth-year pros, Donald and Mack are in line for lucrative contract extensions following a series of spectacular campaigns that confirmed their status as elite players. This will put pass rushers in the spotlight, forcing executives to think deeper about the value of particular quarterback hunters in the team-building process.
For years, general managers, personnel execs and scouts ranked pass rusher as the second-most important position in football, with most citing defensive end/outside linebacker as the marquee spot on defense. But lately, with pass-rushing defensive tackles or inside sub-package rushers taking over games in critical moments, I sense that sentiment changing. Teams are increasingly looking to win with A-gap (space between the offensive guard and center) pressure, due to the chaos and disruption at the point of attack. For immobile quarterbacks, in particular, pressure from the middle of the line completely disrupts their timing in the pocket and blurs their vision and/or blocks available passing lanes.
That’s why I’m fascinated to see the numbers Donald and Mack will tally at the end of their negotiations, because it will shed light on just how valuable executives view premier inside and outside pass rushers at the moment. From a contract perspective, each player is looking at a deal that should feature somewhere around the $60 million guaranteed Ndamukong Suh received as part of his six-year, $114 million contract in 2015 and the $70 million in guarantees included in Von Miller’s six-year, $114.5 million deal in 2016.
NFL Network’s Steve Wyche says Mack is seeking guarantees in excess of $65 million. Meanwhile, Donald’s apparently on the verge of becoming the highest-paid defensive player in the league. Based on their production and performance as disruptive sack artists, they are certainly worthy of getting deals that place them near the figure commanded by top quarterbacks: $20 million-plus per season. Mack has amassed 40.5 sacks in four years, including 36.5 over the past three. He also has added nine forced fumbles as the Raiders’ designated pass rusher. Donald has been just as productive as a disruptor, with 39 sacks and nine forced fumbles to his name. He has also delivered 108 QB hits during that span (compared to 84 from Mack), while amassing 72 tackles for loss (Mack has 68) as a destructive force on the interior.
Given Mack and Donald’s emergence as elite defenders in a league full of blue-chippers, it is not surprising that executives are looking for clones at their respective positions. With that in mind, I thought I would pose a question to a handful of my scouting buddies to see how they view pass rushers, and more specifically, what kinds of pass rushers they prefer. Would you want to build your defense around an inside or outside pass rusher? Here are some of their responses …
AFC assistant general manager: “I’m old school, so I’m going to go for the edge rusher.”
AFC college scouting director: “I would take an inside rusher like [Aaron Donald] or Warren Sapp because they can disrupt the interior line, which will affect both the run and pass. Plus, the pressure in the face of the quarterback is better than an edge rusher because he can be pushed around the edge.”
NFC pro personnel director: “You can’t go wrong with either one, but the inside rusher makes a bigger impact. If you can affect the quarterback immediately up the middle or disrupt the run up the middle, it messes up plays from the jump.”
AFC pro personnel director: “I’ve always been taught that you build your defense from inside out. I’m going to go for the inside pass rusher because he can completely disrupt the game.”
A second NFC pro personnel director: “Philosophically, you would want to take the edge rusher, but Aaron Donald’s success clouds the debate. … It’s easier to create matchup problems on the inside because teams can always turn protections to edge guys and use running backs and tight ends to help the offensive tackle.”
Former NFL vice president of personnel: “Ideally, you would take the edge rusher because they command so much attention. But when you see a guy like Donald dominate from inside, it makes you re-think that a little bit.”
I find it interesting that the overwhelming majority of executives I spoke to preferred the inside rusher over the edge rusher. That’s a drastic philosophical shift from what I was taught when I entered the business. Yet, it falls in line with what one of my old coaches told me as a young player. Dick Jauron, my defensive coordinator with the Jacksonville Jaguars, said a defense should be strong down the middle, and that you need to build it with that premise in mind. He told me that philosophy is true in all sports (point guard and center in basketball; catcher, pitcher, shortstop, second baseman and center fielder in baseball), which is interesting when you consider the entirety of his point.
From a statistical standpoint, the argument doesn’t necessarily hold up when looking at the sack numbers from the 2017 season. The top 23 sack producers were listed as defensive ends/outside linebackers before Geno Atkins appears on the list with 9.0 sacks as a defensive tackle. (Donald is listed as a 3-4 defensive end, but plays inside in the Rams’ nickel rush package.)
That brings me back to my fascination with the Donald and Mack contract negotiations. With the majority of evaluators favoring an inside pass rusher, I’m curious to see which guy lands the bigger deal. Compensation reflects value, so we will soon see if the inside rushers (or edge rushers with inside pass-rush ability) become the new marquee players on the defensive roster.
April 14, 2018 at 11:51 am #85121ZooeyModeratorSo both these guys are going to be fabulously wealthy, and the potential hold up is going to be ego. Yay.
April 15, 2018 at 11:38 am #85145znModeratorAaron Donald not expected to show when Rams begin voluntary offseason workouts Monday
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-offseason-workouts-20180415-story.html
Several new high-profile players, including cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh and receiver Brandin Cooks, can introduce themselves to Rams teammates Monday when the team begins voluntary offseason workouts in Thousand Oaks.
But one of the team’s biggest stars almost certainly will not be part of the greeting party. Defensive lineman Aaron Donald, once again, is not expected to participate in the nine-week program. At least not until he gets a new contract.Donald earned only $1.8 million in 2017 and is due to make $6.9 million this season in the fifth and final year of his rookie deal. But the reigning NFL defensive player of the year is thought to be seeking an extension that would pay him more than $20 million per season.
A Donald absence would be a familiar scenario for second-year coach Sean McVay. Last year Donald sat out voluntary workouts, did not participate in drills during a mandatory minicamp and stayed away from training camp to make a statement about his contract situation ā and to avoid injury.It did not affect his performance: He recorded 11 sacks and helped the Rams win the NFC West and advance to the playoffs for the first time since 2004. So McVay does not figure to worry about Donald’s preparation for the season.
General manager Les Snead has said the Rams and Donald’s representatives have a “timeline” for discussions about a new deal but declined to offer specifics, insisting only that signing Donald remains a priority.
“The goal is still the same,” he said, “Make Aaron Donald a Ram for a long, long time.”
The first two weeks of the offseason program, as mandated by the collective bargaining agreement, can include only strength and conditioning and physical rehabilitation.The next three weeks can include on-field, individual player instruction and drills but none that pit offensive players against defensive players. The final four weeks can include 10 days of organized-team practice, commonly known as OTAs. No live contact is permitted.
Last year McVay had been on the job for not quite three months when the offseason program began. His first task was to lay the groundwork for a new culture while he and his staff taught players new systems on offense and defense.
Now he must build on last season’s success, which included the ascent of quarterback Jared Goff and the rebirth of running back Todd Gurley, the NFL’s offensive player of the year.
The offseason program is expected to help new players get acclimated and, perhaps, provide a proving ground for several returning from injuries or coming back from subpar performances.
Kicker Greg Zuerlein, the NFL’s scoring leader in 2017, underwent back surgery late in the season and was sidelined for the last three games.
Receiver Tavon Austin was not able to participate fully in the offseason program last year following wrist surgery. He suffered a hamstring injury during training camp, lost his job as the punt returner and never found a role in McVay’s offense. Last month Austin agreed to restructure his contract to remain with the Rams.April 15, 2018 at 12:21 pm #85148znModeratorFrom a statistical standpoint, the argument doesn’t necessarily hold up when looking at the sack numbers from the 2017 season. The top 23 sack producers were listed as defensive ends/outside linebackers before Geno Atkins appears on the list with 9.0 sacks as a defensive tackle. (Donald is listed as a 3-4 defensive end, but plays inside in the Rams’ nickel rush package.)
Too bad this article can’t get the basics right. And it’s Bucky Brooks. Who ought to know better.
The article sets up a debate about which is better to have, an outside rusher or an inside rusher.
Most of the league personnel the writer talks to either outright favor the inside rusher, or say that Donald makes them re-think their former view.
Then it’s time to add up numbers, and, the writer lists Donald as an OUTSIDE guy.
Obviously Donald does not line up at DE (well sometimes but that’s not his base position). He lines up at DT.
So no it’s not true that 23 rushers appear on the list of 2017 sack producers before you get an inside rusher. Donald is tied for 11th. And he’s (obviously, as in duh) an inside rusher.
Brooks writes an entire damm article comparing Mack and Donald, and several of his NFL personnel people choose Donald precisely because he lines up inside, and, he doesn’t even know what position AD plays.
Sigh.
There’s also this. Of the 35 players who got 8 or more sacks last year, only 3 were DTs (Donald, Atkins, Malik Jackson). That;s more or less consistent with what you see every year. What that tells me is this. It’s just *FAR* easier to find an outside rusher than it is to find a generational, transcendent talent like Donald who is an inside rusher.
So if you have a Donald it is not that hard to add an outside rusher to the mix and then you have a tough pair.
It’s next to impossible to do that the other way around. You can feature an outside rusher, but pairing him with an inside rusher of that caliber is pretty much impossible.
So if you had to choose between a top outside rusher and Donald, you take Donald. And then, add an outside rusher. š
It’s extremely unlikely you can do it the other way around.
But one of the team’s biggest stars almost certainly will not be part of the greeting party. Defensive lineman Aaron Donald, once again, is not expected to participate in the nine-week program. At least not until he gets a new contract.
Just sign the man already.
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April 15, 2018 at 10:42 pm #85153znModeratorRams to begin offseason program with Aaron Donaldās contract situation unsettled
RICH HAMMOND
The new-look Rams, brought together during a series of major roster moves over the past two months, will be under the same roof Monday morning. Most of them will be, anyway.
The Ramsā offseason program will begin Monday, and the first two weeks are limited by the NFL to conditioning and rehabilitation work. The entire two-month program is optional, and at least one of the Ramsā top players, defensive lineman Aaron Donald, is not expected to participate at the start.
Donald, last seasonās NFL Defensive Player of the Year, remains in search of a new contract. Donald has entered the fifth and final year of his rookie contract, but for more than a year, he has sought a new contract with the Rams, who periodically have talked with his agent but have not reached a deal.
Players cannot be disciplined for skipping the optional part of the offseason program, but they can be fined if they miss a mandatory mini-camp at the end. The Ramsā mini-camp is scheduled for mid-June.
Donald sat out most of last yearās offseason program and also held out for the entirety of training camp. He returned to the Rams shortly before the start of the season and missed the first regular-season game, but then turned in a dominant season and helped the Rams win 11 games and a division title.
General Manager Les Snead recently said that he expects Donald to become the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL, which would mean a significant increase of his $6.9 million salary for 2018.
Donaldās absence from optional workouts wouldnāt be a dramatic negative for the Rams, given that Donald is known for his fierce workouts when he is away from the team, and because heās already familiar with the scheme of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips.
Donald will, at some point, have to adjust to playing next to one of the Ramsā new additions, defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh, as part of a new-look defense.
The Rams imported Suh and cornerbacks Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib and Sam Shields, and traded two of their team captains and starting linebackers, Alec Ogletree and Robert Quinn. The Ramsā offense returns mostly intact, other than a swap of receivers, with former New England Patriots deep threat Brandin Cooks in and Sammy Watkins out.
April 15, 2018 at 11:48 pm #85157HerzogParticipantSo there canāt be room in this years cap for a raise. Right? I mean in 2018.
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April 16, 2018 at 3:46 am #85160AgamemnonParticipantApril 16, 2018 at 10:35 am #85168InvaderRamModerator$6,892,000(Donaldās wage this year) ā $775,000(5th year minimum wage) = $6,117,000 X 5years = $30,585,000. The Rams take Donaldās wage this year and convert it to signing bonus. They can do this for 5 years. He gets ~$31 million dollars this year.
sign him already dammit!
pay the man!
i want to see him play his career as a ram.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by InvaderRam.
April 16, 2018 at 10:42 am #85170znModeratorSo there canāt be room in this years cap for a raise. Right? I mean in 2018.
$6,892,000(Donaldās wage this year) ā $775,000(5th year minimum wage) = $6,117,000 X 5years = $30,585,000. The Rams take Donaldās wage this year and convert it to signing bonus. They can do this for 5 years. He gets ~$31 million dollars this year.
Ag’s right of course (though I think it will be 6 years, which just means same thing, different numbers). Plus they can park a big guaranteed hit in 2019, where there;s a lot of cap space.
And they can do the same thing with Cooks.
April 16, 2018 at 11:05 am #85175znModeratorWho’s A More Valuable Player – Aaron Donald or Khalil Mack? –Video
The Good Morning Football Crew discusses who is the most valuable: Aaron Donald or Khalil Mack? 2 of the 3 vote for Mack.
April 16, 2018 at 11:06 am #85176znModeratorAaron Donald Entering Final Season of Rookie Deal āVideo
ESPNās Adam Schefter and Louis Riddick talk about Aaron Donaldās contract situation, his value to the Rams, and his dominance in the NFL
April 16, 2018 at 11:58 am #85180znModeratorsign him already dammit!
pay the man!
i want to see him play his career as a ram.
On this little holdout. It is true that AD showed everyone he could skip all practices and organized activities before the season and still get going.
But it took him a couple of games to get up to speed, though in his case the speed he got up to was really high.
I just think that it allows Wade to see more of what Donald can do and it allows AD to be more in sync with his defense.
Imagine him hitting the season, day 1, ALREADY up to speed.
But all this means is that I would like to see him signed. I have no idea what the holdup is. It could be the Rams, it could be Donald, it could be both, it could be neither. We just don’t know.
See me saying I would prefer to see AD in practicing etc, is not a criticism of anyone, Donald or the Rams, it;s just my way of saying that the sooner they get this done, the better.
April 16, 2018 at 3:00 pm #85188InvaderRamModeratorBut all this means is that I would like to see him signed. I have no idea what the holdup is. It could be the Rams, it could be Donald, it could be both, it could be neither. We just donāt know.
probably silly but i hope that they’re just secretly delaying the signing for purposes of building up hype during the offseason for ticket sales and the new stadium and such. maybe after the draft they announce the donald signing. followed shortly by a cooks signing.
first the trades to aquire peters and talib. followed shortly by signing suh. then the trade for cooks. the draft. and then cap that off with extending the best defensive player on the planet.
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but seriously sign the guy.
April 16, 2018 at 3:40 pm #85190znModeratorfrom 10 NFL Contract Extension Candidates
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/10-nfl-contract-extension-candidates-733/
AARON DONALD, DL, RAMS
Projection: 6 years, $120M, $65M guaranteed at signingDonald has been essentially underpaid since the day he walked into the NFL, as the #13 overall selection back in 2014 has amassed 39 sacks, 148 tackles, & 9 forced fumbles in 62 games. Heās reeled in $10.2M for his efforts, and is set to earn ājustā $6.892M from his 5th-year option in 2018. All signs point to him sitting on the sidelines until a new contract is in place – and rightfully so at this point.
In light of the above, with a $19.5M calculated market value, Donald is projecting toward the highest defensive contract of all-time. Currently Von Millerās 6 year, $114.1M contract ($19M AAV) holds the high mark, including $41.6M thru 2 years, & $60.6M through 3. Donald should be inline to surpass all of these milestones, as well as Ndamukong Suhās $59M guaranteed at signing, and Millerās $70M in practical guarantees.
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