A truly original and excellent book: Martin Hagglund's This Life.

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    Billy_T
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    I think it’s a seminal work of philosophy, and while everyone should read it, IMO, leftists should, especially.

    http://www.martinhagglund.se/

    Full title:

    This Life
    Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom

    Will do a summary tomorrow, or the next day, with main impressions, etc.

    I can’t remember the last time a book of philosophy and criticism had me so much in agreement with its author.

    Just brilliant.

    #100355
    Billy_T
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    Since this is a work of non-fiction — of philosophy and political economy — I can safely cut to the end without spoiling it. Hagglund makes the case for democratic socialism, but defines it in a unique way. The journey to that point, however, is everything.

    As mentioned above, I can’t remember another book that made me feel so much in sync with an author. I loved the way he gets to democratic socialism as a necessary foundation for the kind of society we all should want. I love that he takes us on a journey from Abraham and Isaac, through Augustine, all the way to Kierkegaard, Hegel, Marx, Proust and Hayek, plus a host of others.

    His is primarily an immanent critique of both religion and capitalism, and why it’s necessary to critique both at the same time — borrowing a page from Marx who did this too. His main focus is on the finite nature of everyone’s life, and how this makes all life so precious, and how the quest for “eternal life” ironically goes against that sense of preciousness, diminishing the import of our one and only life in the Here and Now.

    For him, and for me, capitalism is all too similar. While he doesn’t say this explicitly, he implies what I have long felt: That the faith we have in capitalism is religious, not rational, and the faith we have in the “invisible hand” and “the markets” is religious, not rational. Hagglund goes deeper by showing how incompatible it is with both democracy and personal emancipation, with developing our selves to the fullest extent, because we’re means to an end (profits), not ends in themselves.

    #100356
    Billy_T
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    A key takeaway is his discussion of the realm of necessity versus the realm of freedom. In economic terms, “socially necessary labor time” versus “socially available free time.”

    He reminds us that technological improvements — time-saving, labor-saving improvements — would convert into more socially available free time, if we were not under the thumb of capitalism. Using my own words/deductions, mixed with his ideas, this is because capitalism and capitalists convert those gains into profits instead. As in, we still work the same number of hours, if not more, even though socially necessary labor time has been reduced. Capitalists increase their profits when this happens. We the people don’t get to convert this into more time to become who we are, or find out who we ought to be.

    Also, Hagglund isn’t talking just about leisure time, per se (or necessarily) when he talks about “socially available free time.” He’s far more concerned with increasing the time (and tools) available for people to discover what it is they should do with their lives. Not just how to put bread on the table and roof over our heads. But what it is . . . for lack of a better expression . . . finding our bliss (Campbell). Hagglund doesn’t word it thusly, but that’s basically the gist. And, by bliss, I mean our chosen life’s work, not “hobbies” or momentary passions.

    Again, this is a truly important book, and in my not so humble opinion, a must-read for leftists, especially.

    #100924
    zn
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    For him, and for me, capitalism is all too similar. While he doesn’t say this explicitly, he implies what I have long felt: That the faith we have in capitalism is religious, not rational, and the faith we have in the “invisible hand” and “the markets” is religious, not rational. Hagglund goes deeper by showing how incompatible it is with both democracy and personal emancipation, with developing our selves to the fullest extent, because we’re means to an end (profits), not ends in themselves.

    Yeah I have always thought that, good to see it get well-articulated. I have some friends who happen to be left economists and they reinforce the point that the whole “markets” rhetoric and libertarian dedication to them has the same status as a religious view, it’s not real social science.

    #100933
    Billy_T
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    For him, and for me, capitalism is all too similar. While he doesn’t say this explicitly, he implies what I have long felt: That the faith we have in capitalism is religious, not rational, and the faith we have in the “invisible hand” and “the markets” is religious, not rational. Hagglund goes deeper by showing how incompatible it is with both democracy and personal emancipation, with developing our selves to the fullest extent, because we’re means to an end (profits), not ends in themselves.

    Yeah I have always thought that, good to see it get well-articulated. I have some friends who happen to be left economists and they reinforce the point that the whole “markets” rhetoric and libertarian dedication to them has the same status as a religious view, it’s not real social science.

    Agreed. If it wouldn’t break trust with your friends, any books, articles from them you’d recommend?

    Another big take for me from the book, which is again something I saw before I read it. Hagglund just articulates better than I have:

    It’s not just “neoliberalism” at fault here. Hagglund does really well in showing how it’s fundamental to capitalism to just start out with all the wrong rationales for an economy, and none of the right ones. He narrows this critique down a bit when he talks about Naomi Klein, whom he respects, especially for her environmentalism. But he says her concentration on “neoliberal” capitalism is misguided. The issue is deeper, rooted prior to any ideological innovations on top of the capitalist foundation. And he faults even his fellow socialists for concentrating on more equitable “distribution,” seeing that, too, as missing the point.

    Any economy with the goal of making individuals richer is fundamentally, irremediably wrong-headed. I’ve always thought this, and that it’s pure madness as rationale. Produce things that we need, that solve problems, that go toward the common good, yes. Produce to make a few people rich?

    Insanity.

    And changing the rationale for the existence of the economy can’t help but change the results for the better — including better for the planet by far.

    Hagglund takes it further, though, and touches on something I hadn’t given as much thought to as I should. The economy should also be in the business of radically reducing our socially necessary labor time, converting this to radical increases in our socially available free time.

    Capitalism denies us these gains, because it converts them into profits for the few.

    In short, as he says, we need a complete revaluation of values, not just the end to neoliberalism.

    #100935
    Billy_T
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    On the distribution angle, which I’m less sure of, as far as accurate interpretations (of his book) go:

    I think he sees this as a kind of Catch-22, and yet another major reason to dump capitalism altogether. Capitalism’s Grow or Die imperative, its need to endlessly expand capital resources, makes it somewhat counterproductive to tax and redistribute after the fact, which pushes it to screw workers and consumers even more (my inference). As in, it’s not set up to be the source for distributing more equitably to society. Its entire game is the concentration of more and more and more capital in just a few hands. Public redistribution plans mess that up and force capital to be even more aggressive in turn.

    He definitely sees the social democratic model as preferable to what we have here now. I think he much prefers his Nordic model roots to his current location in that regard. But he also thinks it’s a short term answer and all too precarious.

    The real answer is to make “redistribution” unnecessary up front, which I’ve always felt as well. Make the economy function up front as it should, so the government doesn’t have to redress inequality later, etc.

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    #101041
    zn
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    If it wouldn’t break trust with your friends, any books, articles from them you’d recommend?

    I’m afraid I don’t ask for much in the way of reading material from those guys. We tend not to talk shop. There’s kids with soccer injuries to discuss, things like that, and so on. Anyway. You know who I generally read on economics when I have time? Stiglitz. Who you of course know.

    #101055
    Billy_T
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    If it wouldn’t break trust with your friends, any books, articles from them you’d recommend?

    I’m afraid I don’t ask for much in the way of reading material from those guys. We tend not to talk shop. There’s kids with soccer injuries to discuss, things like that, and so on. Anyway. You know who I generally read on economics when I have time? Stiglitz. Who you of course know.

    Understood. Soccer injuries. Perhaps there’s a way to analogize from that to democratic socialism. Who knows?

    ;>)

    I like Stiglitz. He’s an excellent economist. But he’s basically in the camp of “Save Capitalism from itself,” like Robert Reich — and well before him, Keynes.

    As you know, I’m for full repeal and replacement of capitalism with what Hagglund calls democratic socialism. I’m not stuck on the label, but I do think these fundamental pillars need to be in place, regardless:

    1. Democracy extended to include the economy
    2. All workplaces fully democratized
    3. We the people own and hold the means of production in common, as co-owners and coequals, directly. Not through “the state.” Not via any political parties or other proxies. But directly. Under a new constitution.
    4. Power dispersed away from any “centralized” organizing principle. Back to communities, and individual shop room floors . . . all of these linked, federated.
    5. The “Commons” would include the means of production, schools, libraries, museums, parks, hospitals, transportation hubs, etc. but not one’s home or the “stuff” inside it. The Commons would end where your yard begins, etc.

    For starters . . .

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