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June 10, 2022 at 12:09 am #139239znModerator
As the 1/6 Committee hearings draw near, we must understand the whole story of January 6th.
In our new @BrookingsGov report, we offer a guide, including potential federal and state criminal charges for Trump and his allies. đ https://t.co/lawfhxJRO6
— Norm Eisen (@NormEisen) June 6, 2022
June 10, 2022 at 12:10 am #139240znModerator“Tonight, I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible: There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.”Liz Cheney at the January 6 hearing…June 10, 2022 at 12:11 am #139244znModeratorThe panel shows never-before-seen video footage from the January 6 riot.
This was no tourist visit.
(CW: Violence) pic.twitter.com/UKWMgnWK3h— CAP Action (@CAPAction) June 10, 2022
June 10, 2022 at 12:55 am #139245waterfieldParticipantI doubt Trump will be indicted and if he was I don’t believe-if a jury followed the law -he would be convicted. Caveat-I don’t know what evidence will be forthcoming in the hearings but given what Cheney’s opening said would be proved-I don’t see it.
Yes-a conviction can be based on circumstantial evidence-but unless the evidence shows conduct BEFORE June 6th by the President that is close to giving the signal to go ahead and storm the Capital I doubt a prosecuting attorney would want to take the case. To me the point of these televised hearings is to show how terrible the President was during the events along with some of his closest advisors and he should never be considered when it comes to 2024. And of course maybe to save Congress in November.
June 10, 2022 at 1:21 am #139246ZooeyModeratorI don’t expect anything from these hearings other than standard-issue talking points.
June 10, 2022 at 3:41 am #139251znModeratorTasing and assaulting Officer Fanone who nearly died on January 6th. These are the traitors who Kevin McCarthy defends and gives cover to.#SubpoenaTraitorMcCarthy. pic.twitter.com/iils193gBp
— Bruno Amato (@BrunoAmato_1) October 26, 2021
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"Nothing has prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day."
–Michael Fanone, now-retired Capitol police officer pic.twitter.com/TjaffBgTO4— Mike (@UmustBkiddingME) December 29, 2021
June 10, 2022 at 9:30 am #139254Billy_TParticipantA sane society would have arrested Trump on January 7th for seditious conspiracy. It was beyond obvious even then that he attempted a coup, and was all too close to making it happen. We’ve learned a ton more since then that just confirms the existence of the plot and how extensive it was.
By not arresting him, this society is basically saying it’s okay for the incumbent president to use all the levers of power to remain in power, because that’s what he did. The only thing that prevented it from being successful were the few people in key places who said No. As in, he tried to get the military to seize the voting machines; he tried to get the DoJ to claim the election was rigged; he tried to strong-arm key states to find non-existent votes and/or replace legit electors with fake ones. And, he tried to get white supremacist militias to stop the electoral count.
I honestly don’t see how anyone, at this point, is still defending him. People like Greenwald, for instance, who has gone over to the Dark Side and is Tucker Carlson’s stooge now.
IMO, no one can say this is some kind of Democratic Party show. The vast majority of the evidence against Trump comes from Republicans, especially Republicans who worked for him. That was the case in the impeachment hearings too.
June 10, 2022 at 9:36 am #139255Billy_TParticipantAlso, Trump knew he lost. He was told by his inner circle, again and again, that he lost. But he still lied to his “base” and is still lying.
There is more than enough evidence to indict and convict Trump (and his helpers) of seditious conspiracy. Time for the DoJ to do its job.
June 10, 2022 at 11:05 am #139256waterfieldParticipantThe case that is the strongest against him is not the break in but the many efforts he made to invalidate the election results. This is the face of overwhelming evidence provided to him that there was “no there,there”.
June 10, 2022 at 11:49 am #139257Billy_TParticipantThe case that is the strongest against him is not the break in but the many efforts he made to invalidate the election results. This is the face of overwhelming evidence provided to him that there was âno there,thereâ.
The 7-point plan. Or, as Navarro bragged about on the TV, the Green Bay sweep. It was extensive, and included pulling the levers of power at Homeland Security, the DoJ, and the Military, with 11th hour personnel changes, strong-arming, legal-quackery, etc. Martial Law was on the table. Seizing voting machines. Declaring the election null and void, and so on. State, local, Federal officials involved. Fake electors and so on. America came very close to an actual fascist coup being successful here. We also came very close to dozens of reps and senators being assassinated.
What would the conversation be today if they hadn’t removed congress, the VP, and staff in time?
June 10, 2022 at 3:34 pm #139263waterfieldParticipantThe real question I have is how do people fall into such hate and anger? Whatever the reason is why haven’t seen this behavior in past close elections ALA Bush v Gore? What has happened that so many of us believe in unfounded conspiracies. Maybe we just have too much internet.
June 10, 2022 at 4:28 pm #139264Billy_TParticipantThe real question I have is how do people fall into such hate and anger? Whatever the reason is why havenât seen this behavior in past close elections ALA Bush v Gore? What has happened that so many of us believe in unfounded conspiracies. Maybe we just have too much internet.
We’ve always had quacks and tin-foil hat types, obviously. But, yeah, the Internet has helped them find each other, brainstorm, organize. But the real difference this time, IMO, is Trump.
No other politician has ever lied so often, so brazenly, or with so little concern for how those lies harm others. But more important than anything else: Trump is the first human being I can remember who just kept rising from the dead, with a ton of help, scandal after scandal. He’s the first who didn’t just quit when faced with the exposure of his lies and all the rest. So he’s set a deadly template for others who follow. Instead of bowing out when lies, corruption, scandals come to light, just claim it’s all “fake news,” or “the deep state did it.” Lie about the lies, endlessly. Never stop. Never back down.
Largely because of Trump’s psychotic behavior, America no longer seems to agree about a blue sky being blue now, and that’s the recipe for fascism on a silver platter.
June 10, 2022 at 8:35 pm #139267znModeratorKey takeaways from the Jan. 6 committeeâs primetime hearing
Members of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol had said they would document a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, with President Donald Trump sitting in the very center.
During its first primetime hearing, the committeeâs presentation emphasized that Trump â contrary to every public statement he made, every tweet he sent, every plea he made to his supporters â knew that he had lost the 2020 election.
In video after video, the committee showed an array of people who had told Trump that he lost.
There was Trumpâs own Attorney General William Barr, the countryâs top law enforcement officer. Barr talked to Trump on Nov. 23, Dec. 1 and Dec. 14.
“I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the president was bull—-. And I didn’t want to be a part of it,” Barr said in an interview.
Trumpâs senior re-election campaign adviser Jason Miller described a scene shortly after the election.
“I was in the Oval Office and at some point in the conversation, the lead data person was brought in and I remember he delivered to the president in pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose,” Miller said.
A campaign lawyer told how he had reported back to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that no allegation of significant fraud held up.
Not even Trumpâs daughter Ivanka said she believed the lie of a stolen election. She said she respected Barr, “so, I accepted what he was saying.”
And yet, despite the chorus of voices, Trump insisted the opposite was true.
“Donald Trump and his advisers knew that he had, in fact, lost the election,” said committee vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo. “But despite this, President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information to convince huge portions of the U.S. population that fraud had stolen the election from him.”
And on the basis of that lie, Cheney said, people stormed the Capitol.
Perhaps the most emotionally compelling moment of the evening was the testimony of Capitol Police officer Caroline Edwards. The chaos of the assault has been seen many times, but Edwards was there at the first breach of the Capitol perimeter. She was knocked unconscious, recovered and ran to hold the rioters as they came up the Senate steps.
At one moment, Edwards turned and took in the scene around her.
“I could not believe my eyes,” Edwards said. “There were officers on the ground. They were bleeding, they were throwing up. I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people’s blood. I was catching people as they fell. It was carnage. It was chaos.”
And in keeping with the committeeâs theme that Trump denies the reality of everything around the election, the committee played an excerpt from a Fox News interview he gave July 11, 2021.
“These were peaceful people, these were great people,” Trump said. “The crowd was unbelievable. I mentioned the word love, the love in the air, Iâve never seen anything like it.”
The pivotal role of the Proud Boys
The Proud Boys were a well-armed, organized group that were the first to breach the police line at the Capitol.They were the first to shatter a window that gave the crowd free access to enter and roam through the building.
In a recent indictment, the groupâs leader and four others were charged with seditious conspiracy. In the weeks before the attack, the group assembled paramilitary gear and supplies, including concealed tactical vests, protective equipment, and radio equipment.
What the committee added was video and testimony from documentary filmmaker Nick Quested, who was with the Proud Boys that morning. Quested said he was with about 200 Proud Boys who made their way up to the Capitol.
One thing caught Quested off-guard. He met up with the group at 10:30 in the morning, well before Trump spoke at the rally on the White House Ellipse.
“They were starting to walk towards the Capital,” Quested said. “There was a large contingent, more than I would expect, and I was confused to a certain extent. Why we were walking away from the president’s speech, because that is what I felt we were there to cover.”
But as the governmentâs indictment made clear, as did video clips from members of the Proud Boys themselves, they werenât there to listen to Trump. They were there to assault the Capitol.
Cheney said the next hearings, coming up June 13 and June 15, will focus on Trumpâs efforts to convince Americans that he really won the election and his attempts to replace the attorney general.
June 11, 2022 at 11:11 am #139276Billy_TParticipantGood article by Woodward and Bernstein, comparing Nixon and Trump. It’s long, so I won’t post the entire thing. But you can view it by copying and pasting the link on https colon slash slash www dot printfriendly dot com.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/05/woodward-bernstein-nixon-trump/
Excerpt:
As reporters, we had studied Nixon and written about him for nearly half a century, during which we believed with great conviction that never again would America have a president who would trample the national interest and undermine democracy through the audacious pursuit of personal and political self-interest.
And then along came Trump.
The heart of Nixonâs criminality was his successful subversion of the electoral process â the most fundamental element of American democracy. He accomplished it through a massive campaign of political espionage, sabotage and disinformation that enabled him to literally determine who his opponent would be in the presidential election of 1972.
With a covert budget of just $250,000, a team of undercover Nixon operatives derailed the presidential campaign of Sen. Edmund Muskie of Maine, the Democratsâ most electable candidate.
AdvertisementNixon then ran against Sen. George McGovern, a South Dakota Democrat widely viewed as the much weaker candidate, and won in a historic landslide with 61 percent of the vote and carrying 49 states.
Over the next two years, Nixonâs illegal conduct was gradually exposed by the news media, the Senate Watergate Committee, special prosecutors, a House impeachment investigation and finally by the Supreme Court. In a unanimous decision, the court ordered Nixon to turn over his secret tape recordings, which doomed his presidency.
These instruments of American democracy finally stopped Nixon dead in his tracks, forcing the only resignation of a president in American history.
Donald Trump not only sought to destroy the electoral system through false claims of voter fraud and unprecedented public intimidation of state election officials, but he also then attempted to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to his duly elected successor, for the first time in American history.
Donald Trump and Richard Nixon shake hands at a gala in Houston in 1989. After the 2020 election Trump would embrace, with shattering consequences, one of Nixonâs adages: âA man is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.â (Richard Carson/Houston Chronicle/AP)Trumpâs diabolical instincts exploited a weakness in the law. In a highly unusual and specific manner, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 says that at 1 p.m. on Jan. 6 following a presidential election, the House and Senate will meet in a joint session. The president of the Senate, in this case Vice President Mike Pence, will preside. The electoral votes from the 50 states and the District of Columbia will then be opened and counted.
This singular moment in American democracy is the only official declaration and certification of who won the presidential election.
In a deception that exceeded even Nixonâs imagination, Trump and a group of lawyers, loyalists and White House aides devised a strategy to bombard the country with false assertions that the 2020 election was rigged and that Trump had really won. They zeroed in on the Jan. 6 session as the opportunity to overturn the electionâs result. Leading up to that crucial date, Trumpâs lawyers circulated memos with manufactured claims of voter fraud that had counted the dead, underage citizens, prisoners and out-of-state residents.
We watched in utter dismay as Trump persistently claimed that he was really the winner. âWe won,â he said in a speech on Jan. 6 at the Ellipse. âWe won in a landslide. This was a landslide.â He publicly and relentlessly pressured Pence to make him the victor on Jan. 6.
On that day, driven by Trumpâs rhetoric and his obvious approval, a mob descended on the Capitol and, in a stunning act of collective violence, broke through doors and windows and ransacked the House chamber, where the electoral votes were to be counted. The mob then went in search of Pence â all to prevent the certification of Joe Bidenâs victory. Trump did nothing to restrain them.
June 11, 2022 at 12:55 pm #139279Billy_TParticipantJune 12, 2022 at 10:35 am #139288Billy_TParticipantWhat do you guys think should happen to Trump, regarding his (ongoing) coup attempt?
June 19, 2022 at 8:57 pm #139367znModeratorNoted without comment: Insurrection. pic.twitter.com/eCEaTY7K4Y
— franklin veaux (@franklinveaux) June 19, 2022
June 19, 2022 at 8:59 pm #139368znModeratorWhat do you guys think should happen to Trump, regarding his (ongoing) coup attempt?
My off the cuff sense of things is that he can’t be pinned to anything indictable when it comes to 1/6. I am not looney enough to think that means he’s innocent. Others may know more about this.
But there are other criminal prosecutions not involving 1/6 at work so they could get him on something eventually.
July 14, 2022 at 7:04 pm #139667znModeratorâThe US Secret Service erased text messages from January 5 and 6, 2021, shortly after they were requested by oversight officials investigating the agencyâs response to the US Capitol riotâŚâ 1/ https://t.co/KKeInTvoib
— Rex Chapmanđđź (@RexChapman) July 14, 2022
July 16, 2022 at 11:52 am #139703znModeratorFLASH: Feds to seek sentence of 15 years, no monetary fine for first Capitol riot defendant convicted at trial
Guy Reffitt of TX, who was convicted of multiple counts & was accused of carrying gun while confronting police
They seek multiple prison terms (concurrently 15 years) pic.twitter.com/LiqogXnDhr
— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 15, 2022
July 23, 2022 at 2:10 pm #139758znModerator<section class=”article__header”>Jan. 6 rioter who pleaded guilty dies by suicide ahead of sentencing
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A Pennsylvania man who last year pleaded guilty to multiple charges in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol attack killed himself last week while awaiting trial.
As the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported, the Mercer County Coronerâs office confirmed on Tuesday that Matt Perna had died by suicide. He was 37 years old.
Pernaâs family said he died of a âbroken heart,â and partly blamed the government and the prosecution for his death, per the Post-Gazette.
âHis community, which he loved, his country and the justice system killed his spirit and his zest for life,â Pernaâs obituary read, according to the outlet. âThe constant delays in hearings and postponements dragged out for over a year. Because of this, Mattâs heart broke and his spirit died and many people are responsible for the pain he endured.â
According to court documents, Perna travelled to Washington, D.C., from Pennsylvania on Jan. 6 to attend the âStop the Stealâ rally that preceded the attack on the Capitol.
At around 2:47 p.m., Perna, who was wearing a âMake America Great Againâ sweatshirt, entered the Capitol through the Senate Wing door and stayed inside the building for about 20 minutes, taking video of the crowd while inside, per court documents. Following the Capitol breach, Perna uploaded a video on social media saying, âThe purpose of today was to expose Pence as a traitor.â
Pernaâs family said he went to the rally on Jan. 6 to âpeacefully stand up for his beliefsâ and claimed that he was âushered inâ by police officers, according to the Post-Gazette, though prosecutors accused him of entering a building he knew he did not have permission to enter.
âFor this act he has been persecuted by many members of his community, friends, relatives and people who had never met him,â Pernaâs obituary read, according to the outlet.
Perna pleaded guilty to all four charges he faced, including obstruction of an official proceeding, in December. His sentencing had been set for April 1.
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July 23, 2022 at 2:10 pm #139759znModeratorJan. 6 rioter who pleaded guilty dies by suicide ahead of sentencing
A Pennsylvania man who last year pleaded guilty to multiple charges in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol attack killed himself last week while awaiting trial.
As the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported, the Mercer County Coronerâs office confirmed on Tuesday that Matt Perna had died by suicide. He was 37 years old.
Pernaâs family said he died of a âbroken heart,â and partly blamed the government and the prosecution for his death, per the Post-Gazette.
âHis community, which he loved, his country and the justice system killed his spirit and his zest for life,â Pernaâs obituary read, according to the outlet. âThe constant delays in hearings and postponements dragged out for over a year. Because of this, Mattâs heart broke and his spirit died and many people are responsible for the pain he endured.â
According to court documents, Perna travelled to Washington, D.C., from Pennsylvania on Jan. 6 to attend the âStop the Stealâ rally that preceded the attack on the Capitol.
At around 2:47 p.m., Perna, who was wearing a âMake America Great Againâ sweatshirt, entered the Capitol through the Senate Wing door and stayed inside the building for about 20 minutes, taking video of the crowd while inside, per court documents. Following the Capitol breach, Perna uploaded a video on social media saying, âThe purpose of today was to expose Pence as a traitor.â
Pernaâs family said he went to the rally on Jan. 6 to âpeacefully stand up for his beliefsâ and claimed that he was âushered inâ by police officers, according to the Post-Gazette, though prosecutors accused him of entering a building he knew he did not have permission to enter.
âFor this act he has been persecuted by many members of his community, friends, relatives and people who had never met him,â Pernaâs obituary read, according to the outlet.
Perna pleaded guilty to all four charges he faced, including obstruction of an official proceeding, in December. His sentencing had been set for April 1.
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July 24, 2022 at 7:47 am #139769znModeratorAfter Thursday's primetime January 6 hearing, a group of GOP MAGA extremists harassed former DC Police Offer Fanone â a man who had protected our Capitol during the insurrection. Texas Paul reacts and exposes the roots of these right wing conspiracy movements. pic.twitter.com/xxevU64Jc2
— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) July 23, 2022
September 5, 2022 at 1:27 am #140432znModeratorJust going to re-up the video of Jan. 6 rioter Ryan Nichols confessing on video in the third person while wielding a deadly or dangerous weapon. He is not being held pretrial for âprotesting,â no matter how many times people say that. pic.twitter.com/hBz6Mp7OKM
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) September 4, 2022
September 11, 2022 at 12:39 pm #140552znModeratorRE: Republicans allied with tRump to "overturn Biden's election" & who may have organized Reconnaissance tours.
This informative article reveals whom the Jan. 6th Committee is investigating: Greene, Boebert, Gosar, Brooks, Biggs, Gohmert, and Cawthorn.https://t.co/XlYzoFO3vM
— âŽď¸âŽď¸âŽď¸ Dr. Mike Davis đđđ (@FrankMikeDavis1) September 11, 2022
October 18, 2022 at 6:58 pm #141277znModeratorFBI SA Hilgelman finally completed her testimony. She presented a veritable mountain of Oath Keepers text messages & Signal group chats that were sharply incriminating of the defendants. It was unavoidably tedious testimony . . . like watch REALLY incriminating paint dry.
— Glenn Kirschner (@glennkirschner2) October 18, 2022
November 14, 2022 at 10:49 pm #141682znModerator24 police officers have been charged with Jan. 6 attacks, and dozens identified as at the Capitol. Some wanted things to go further. âKill them all,â Peter Heneen, a Florida sheriffâs deputy, texted . The capital streets needed to ârun red with the blood of these tyrants.â https://t.co/if5cYcv0vG
— Gail Mellor, 81,282,903 were right (@authorpendragon) November 14, 2022
November 30, 2022 at 1:37 am #141886znModeratorAdam Parkhomenko@AdamParkhomenkoAssociated Press is reporting Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has been convicted of seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 trial***Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes guilty of Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/29/rhodes-oathkeepers-sedition-verdict-jan6/
A federal jury on Tuesday convicted Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and a top deputy of seditious conspiracy for leading a months-long plot to unleash political violence to prevent the inauguration of President Biden, culminating in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.
The panel of seven men and five women deliberated for three days before finding Rhodes and lead Florida Oath Keeper Kelly Meggs guilty of conspiring to oppose by force the lawful transition of presidential power. But three other associates were not convicted of the historically rare and politically freighted sedition count. All five were convicted of obstructing Congress as it met to confirm the results of the 2020 election. Both offenses are punishable by up to 20 years in prison.
Rhodes, 56, in a dark suit and black eye-patch from an old gun accident, looked down briefly upon hearing his verdict on the central charge, then leaned back in his chair as others were read.
James Lee Bright, one of Rhodesâs attorneys, said Rhodes received a fair trial, but would appeal and testify on behalf of other Jan. 6 defendants âif asked.â Bright and Edward L. Tarpley Jr, another Rhodes lawyer, said that while the acquittal of defendants on 11 of the 28 counts was not a clean sweep for the Justice Department, they expected the government to take the verdict as a sign to press forward âfull-steam aheadâ in future prosecutions.
Rhodes and his co-defendants were the first accused of seditious conspiracy and the first to face trial and be convicted on any conspiracy charge to date in the massive Jan. 6 investigation. He is the highest-profile figure to face trial in connection with rioting by angry Trump supporters who injured scores of officers, ransacked offices and forced lawmakers to evacuate the U.S. Capitol.
Rhodes and followers, dressed in combat-style gear, converged on the Capitol after staging an âarsenalâ of weapons at nearby hotels, ready to take up arms at Rhodesâs direction in an attack on the âbedrock of democracy,â the government charged. Rhodesâs defense said he and co-defendants came to Washington as bodyguards and peacekeepers, bringing firearms only in case Trump met their demand to mobilize private militia to stop Biden from becoming president.
Analysts called the outcome a vindication for the Justice Department.
âThe juryâs verdict on seditious conspiracy confirms that January 6, 2021, was not just âlegitimate political discourseâ or a peaceful protest that got out of hand. This was a planned, organized, violent assault on the lawful authority of the U.S. government and the peaceful transfer of power,â said Randall D. Eliason, a former federal prosecutor who teaches law at George Washington University.
âNow the only remaining question is how much higher did those plans go, and who else might be held criminally responsible,â Eliason said.
In a statement, Attorney General Merrick Garland hailed the verdict and praised prosecutors and agents on the case.
âToday the jury returned a verdict convicting all defendants of criminal conduct, including two Oath Keepers leaders for seditious conspiracy against the United States,â Garland said. âThe Justice Department is committed to holding accountable those criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy on January 6, 2021.â
The verdict in Rhodesâs case likely will be taken as a bellwether for two remaining Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy trials set for December against five other Oath Keepers and leaders of the Proud Boys, including the longtime chairman Henry âEnriqueâ Tarrio. Both Rhodes and Tarrio are highly visible leaders of the alt-right or far-right anti-government movements, and were highlighted at hearings probing the attack earlier this year by the House Jan. 6 committee.
The Justice Department arrested Rhodes in January and Tarrio in June after an internal debate over whether the magnitude and organization behind the Capitol attack merited bringing seldom used seditious conspiracy charges. Bringing the politically charged count posed a higher risk at trial because it required that prosecutors prove the defendants harbored an intent to forcibly oppose the federal government, compared to the charge of conspiring to obstruct a proceeding of Congress.
The Justice Department has argued in related cases that a conviction on either charge should carry the same seven to nine-year sentence under advisory federal guidelines, a potential starting point for the judge in Rhodesâs case. But the department calculated it was worth the risk to try to send a public message by charging the defendants with committing one of the most serious political crimes in a wider attack on democracy.
Rhodes, who was at the Capitol but did not enter on Jan. 6, and Tarrio, who allegedly directed his group from Baltimore, drew heightened scrutiny because of the prominence of their followersâ actions at the Capitol and linkages to violence. Both also claimed ties to a long list of Trump advisers associated with the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election results â including Trump political confidant Roger Stone, âStop the Stealâ organizer Ali Alexander and former national security aide Michael Flynn â while attorney Sidney Powellâs nonprofit raised legal defense funds for Rhodesâ co-defendants.
Though prosecutors sought to prove only that Rhodes plotted with co-defendants to obstruct the presidential transition, both sides acknowledged that he was in contact with Stone, Alexander and Flynn during the post-election period. Oath Keepers provided them with bodyguards and communicated in a âFriends of Stoneâ encrypted chat group ahead of Jan. 6.
After networks declared the election for Biden, on Nov. 7, 2020, Rhodes asked the Stone chat group, âWhatâs the plan?â and shared a proposal for storming Congress. That day and over coming weeks, including in two open letters to Trump, Rhodes spurred followers with growing urgency to be ready for an âarmed rebellion,â organizing members who came to Washington with firearms prepared for violence, according to several who testified.
Meggs, 53, an auto dealership manager from Dunnellon, Fla., echoed Rhodes in messages shown in court, writing to other Oath Keepers: âWe are Militia! We donât have to play by their rules! We make the rules.â He also said he had âorchestrated a planâ with the Proud Boys, having met members of the group during an earlier violent pro-Trump protest in D.C.
Rhodes and co-defendants testified that those plans did not include entering the Capitol, describing it as a spur-of-the-moment decision made without consultation. Distancing himself from the actions of co-defendants, Rhodes called it âstupidâ and âoff-missionâ for co-defendants to enter the building.
But prosecutors said their words and actions demonstrated tacit agreement with an illegal plot proposed in public and private before Jan. 6 by Rhodes, who warned repeatedly that âbloody civil warâ was necessary to keep Trump in office if the election results were not overturned.
And prosecutors homed in on a call between Rhodes and Meggs just before Meggs entered the Capitol with two other defendants â Kenneth Harrelson, 42, a former Army sergeant from Titusville, Fla., and Jessica Watkins, 39, another Army veteran and bar owner from Woodstock, Ohio. Thomas Caldwell, 68, a retired Navy intelligence officer stayed outside the building but hosted other defendants at his farm in Berryville, Va. The contents of the call remain unknown; Rhodes maintains they were unable to hear each other.
Only Meggs and Watkins were found guilty of conspiring to stop the congressional proceeding, but all five defendants were found guilty of obstructing Congress. Meggs, Harrelson and Watkins were acquitted of damaging the ceremonial doors through which they entered the building but convicted of impeding lawmakers by going inside. All were convicted of destroying evidence but Watkins, who was found guilty of a separate rioting count.
Attorneys for Rhodes and the other defendants urged jurors to focus on testimony that there was no specific plan to break into the Capitol, and predicted that lawyers would be parsing the juryâs reasoning for weeks. One noted Tuesday that while the seditious conspiracy conviction will end Rhodesâs military veteran benefits, the acquittal of three other veterans on that count means they can keep them after their sentences.
The verdict is the latest hinge-point in the political fortunes of Trump, who has said he would issue full pardons to Jan. 6 defendants. Rhodesâs trial concluded as the former president announced his renewed candidacy for the White House in 2024 after midterm elections in which his party failed to match historical gains in Congress and voters resoundingly rejected his endorsed candidates. Closing arguments began the day Garland named a special counsel to take over the ongoing investigation into efforts to interfere with the lawful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election.
U.S. prosecutors say this image shows Oath Keepers and affiliates of the right-wing group gathered outside of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. (U.S. Attorney’s Office for D.C.)
Two Florida Oath Keepers who pleaded guilty to conspiring to obstruct Congress testified that when they breached the Capitol, it was with the understanding that Rhodes had directed them to stop the election certification by any means necessary, including potentially committing treason and risking death.âThatâs why we brought our firearms,â one said.
Other witnesses recorded Rhodes statements and turned them over to the FBI, saying they quit the Oath Keepers because they wanted no part of his âunchainedâ plans.
âIt sounded like we were going to war against the United States government,â said a former member who recorded a Nov. 9, 2020, online meeting in which Rhodes told 100 Oath Keepers leaders, âWeâre not getting out of this without a fight.â
On the stand, Rhodes said his goal was for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and stay in power with support of private militia. That call never came, and prosecutors argued it would not have been a legal order.
âVenting is not a meeting of the minds. Expressing hatred and anger is not a meeting of the minds in this country,â Rhodes attorney Bright said in closing arguments, describing what he called a lot of âhorribly heated rhetoric and bombastâ by defendants.
âWeâve had 50 witnesses in this case. Not one person has testified that there was a plan,â Bright said.
In closing arguments, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kathryn L. Rakoczy showed jurors a Dec. 10 text message by Rhodes to Oath Keepers attorney Kellye SoRelle, Rhodesâs girlfriend and his post-election liaison to groups working to flip the results, including Trumpâs campaign and the legal team of Rudy Giuliani. Rhodes told SoRelle that if Trump did not act, âwe will have to rise up in insurrection (rebellion).â
In middle of Jan. 6 riot, Oath Keepers chief reached out to Proud Boys
Four days after Jan. 6, Rhodes sought to pass a violent message to Trump â recorded by an intermediary and given to the FBI instead â that it was not too late to use paramilitary groups to stay in power by force. But he also said he wished he had gone further without waiting for the president.
If Trump was âjust gonna let himself be removed illegally, then we should have brought rifles,â Rhodes said. âWe could have fixed it right then and there. Iâd hang f—-ing Pelosi from the lamppost,â he said, referring to House Speaker Nancy A. Pelosi (D-Calif.), in a recording played for jurors.
U.S. Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, who helped defend the Capitol on Jan. 6, said he ran over to the federal courthouse when he heard there was a verdict. He sat sweating in the front row as the verdict was read.
âI was emotional,â Dunn said afterward. âI didnât expect to cry.â
He thanked the jury and the Justice Department for their work on the case.
âI donât look at it like a victory,â Dunn said. âA victory is when you win. This was right. This was about doing the right thing.â
The federal government last brought sedition charges against right-wing militants in 2010. A judge acquitted members of the self-described militia Hutaree in Michigan, saying U.S. authorities failed to prove the group had firm plans to launch attacks in an anti-government uprising.
The government has now secured felony convictions against all 19 Jan. 6 defendants who have gone to trial on felony counts, although juries hung on some charges in two cases.
Overall, about 900 people face federal charges in the rioting, half with felonies such as assaulting police or obstructing a congressional proceeding. About 450, roughly half of the total charged, have pleaded guilty.
December 1, 2022 at 2:03 am #141903znModeratorHarry Litman@harrylitmanAnother big legal setback for Trump. DC judge rejects his claim of absolute immunity in civil lawsuit alleging his conduct on Jan 6 disenfranchised voters, because disruption of electoral vote as alleged isn’t executive action in defense of the Constitution.January 23, 2023 at 6:06 pm #142721znModerator— đBrittneyđ (@AZ_Brittney) January 23, 2023
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