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    The Peter King article.

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    “The key is Higbee,” Gurley told me at his locker after the game. That’s Tyler Higbee, the Rams’ Bavaro-like 255-pound tight end. “Higbee’s a beast.”

    On this play, Gurley is split left in the slot, and he runs out just past the line, then does a crosser to the right. The Packers’ precocious inside linebacker, Blake Martinez, spies Gurley and makes a beeline for him. But here comes Higbee. All he wants to do is “accidentally” knock the Gurley cover guy off his course. Higbee puts an “accidental” shoulder into Martinez, and suddenly, Gurley is wide open. Martinez, who would have been hopelessly behind Gurley, now covers Higbee, hoping one of his mates sees the legal pick play…..

    …McVay, afterward, didn’t want to give away the store, but he did tell me, “That was by design.” Of course it was. So many things the Rams do are by design, ghost-like maneuvers you don’t see clearly but when they’re over, you wonder, “How’d that happen?”

    At his locker, Gurley was almost sheepish about it, like his coach. “Their guy [Martinez] was off me a little bit,” Gurley said. “My job is just be patient and then go across, come underneath him. It was wide open. We were practicing this play for probably a month.”

    “A month?” I said.

    “Yeah,” he said. “Never called it once. Not in a game. Just in practice. In practice, our guys haven’t been able to pick it up, not one time in practice. We’re like, ‘Yeah, this is gonna work.’ “

    “You mean the pick part of it?” I said.

    “Yup,” he said. “It’s a natural pick. Higbee’s the best. He’s one of the best shift blockers in the league. He does a lot of great stuff that gets unnoticed on this team. He’s our sixth offensive lineman and he’s always doing great job in play action passes, everything. His work does not go unnoticed by his teammates—tell you that.”…see link
    link:https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/29/rams-packers-todd-gurley-fmia-nfl-week-8-peter-king/?cid=rotoworld

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    Link: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/placebo-myths-debunked/
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    Placebo effects are largely misunderstood, even by professionals, and this leads to a lot of sloppy thinking about potential treatments. This problem has been exacerbated by the alternative medicine phenomenon.

    Several decades ago, the proponents of so-called CAM promised that if only their preferred if unconventional treatments were properly tested medical science would discover how effective they are. “Effective” (or more precisely, “efficacy”) has a specific definition in medical science – it means that a treatment has been found to perform statistically significantly better than placebo in a blinded controlled trial. Several decades and thousands of studies later, the most popular CAM modalities (homeopathy, acupuncture, reiki, manipulation for medical indications, and more) have been shown to be no more effective than placebo. This means they don’t work.

    Not to be deterred by reality, CAM proponents simply shifted the goal posts. Now many of them are saying that placebo effects are real, and therefore being as effective as placebo means that their treatments “work.” As part of this strategy they have promoted and amplified common myths about placebo effects. Let’s take a closer look at these myths and show why they are wrong.

    Myth #1 – “The” placebo effect
    The first and overriding myth about placebos is that there is one placebo effect (singular). This confusion is understandable, because scientists often refer to “the” placebo effect. However, they are referring to what is measured in the placebo arm of a clinical trial – that net effect (the difference between baseline or no treatment at all and a placebo treatment) is the placebo effect for that study.

    There are multiple placebo effects contributing to that difference, however. Anything that might give the appearance of an improvement will contribute to the measured placebo effect. These placebo effects include: Regression to the mean – when symptoms flare, they are likely to return to baseline on their own. If you take any illness that fluctuates in severity, any treatment you take when your symptoms are at their peak is likely by chance alone to be followed by a period of less intense symptoms.

    Similar to this but distinct is the reality that many illnesses are self-limiting. If you have a cold, you will likely get better even if you do nothing – so anything you do will be followed by improvement. There is also bias in perceiving and reporting subjective symptoms. People want to feel better, they want to think that the treatment is working, and they may want to please the researcher or their physician. Further, researchers and doctors want their treatments to work.

    There are also many possible non-specific effects just from the act of being treated. Hope can be a very positive emotion, and that alone may make people subjectively feel better. Subjects in a trial are also getting medical attention, and are likely paying more attention to their own health. They are likely to be more compliant with other treatments.

    The treatment under study itself may have several components, some specific and some non-specific. Do people sometimes feel better after a session of reiki or acupuncture because they were laying down listening to music and smelling incense during the treatment? How much of a relaxation effect is at play? Does it matter if you actually stick the needles in alleged acupuncture points (the answer is no)?

    Myth #2 – Placebo effects can cause healing
    Because it is often believed that “the” placebo effect is one thing, that one thing is often believed to be a real mind-over-matter physical healing. There is no evidence to support this interpretation, however. In fact researchers looking for that real healing effect of placebos have only demonstrated that it doesn’t exist.

    Part of the problem here is that the term “healing” is vague. It does not have a specific definition, but the implication is that biological repair is taking place. In practice researchers distinguish objective vs subjective markers of improvement. Subjective just means that the patient feels better in some way, per their own report. They rate their own pain, for example. An objective outcome is something measurable, like blood pressure, survival, or tumor burden.

    A systematic review of cancer research, for example, found that placebo interventions resulted in minor improvements in subjective symptoms, but no improvement in the cancer itself.

    Placebo effects break down into several categories. One category is illusory – the misperception of improvement through regression to the mean or biased reporting. The second category is non-specific effects, such as emotional comfort from a practitioner, relaxation, or improved self-care or compliance. This third category is comprised of effects which can plausibly result from psychological interventions only. These relate mainly to stress, depression, anxiety, and the perception of pain and similar subjective symptoms. There is a mind-body connection – it’s called the brain.

    There is, however, no magical control of your brain over biological or physiological processes that are not networked with the brain through nerves or hormones.

    Myth #3 – Animals and babies cannot have a placebo effect
    This myth results from the false assumption that in order to have a placebo effect you need to believe that you are taking an active treatment. It is the belief that is causing the effect, and therefore it is a prerequisite. The logic then follows that animals and babies, who cannot know they are receiving a treatment, can therefore not have a placebo effect. Any improvement in this context, therefore, must be a physiological response to the treatment itself.

    It should already be obvious, however, that these assumptions are incorrect. There are many sources of placebo effects that do not depend upon the subject knowing they are being treated, such as regression to the mean, the self-limiting nature of many ailments, and non-specific effects or benefits from simultaneous interventions.

    Further, however, someone has to determine that the animal or baby has improved. That person is vulnerable to biased perception and reporting, and will also contribute to any measured effect.

    This means that studies of treatments in animals or babies still need to be properly controlled, and whoever is assessing the outcome needs to be properly blinded to treatment allocation.

    Myth #4 – Fanciful or alternative treatments yield better placebo effects
    Desperate to salvage a role for their preferred but ineffective treatments, many alternative practitioners will argue that their real expertise is in maximizing placebo effects. OK, sure, the scientific evidence shows that my treatment is no better than placebo, but placebo effects are real, and I am very good at eliciting them. This is the “placebo medicine” gambit.

    I have already debunked the first part of that claim. There is also no evidence for the second part, that alternative practitioners elicit more of a placebo effect. What the scientific evidence shows is that all interventions will produce some placebo effect, depending mainly on the outcome to be followed. The more subjective and amenable to variables such as mood, the larger the measured effect will be.

    The existence of a placebo effect does not justify using inactive or pseudoscientific treatments. You can elicit the same effects from science-based interventions. Related to this is the notion of placebo effects without deception. This is certainly possible, if you include all the non-specific and statistical effects, but most patients would likely not be happy to be receiving a treatment that they were told was completely inert, just so it may bias their perception of their symptoms. All pseudoscientific treatments, even if they are justified through placebo effects, are given with a generous helping of deception, which violates patient autonomy.

    The other variable that seems to be important, but requires further study, is the therapeutic relationship between practitioner and patient. Having a positive relationship may enhance the measured placebo effect, but that may be just another measure of bias.

    In any case, anything useful about placebo effects can be had with a positive therapeutic relationship, using science-based interventions, and following the ethical requirements of informed consent and patient autonomy.

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    Q&A: Rams cap guru Tony Pastoors on offseason deals, the Jared Goff ‘high-class problem’ and ‘more work to do’

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    https://theathletic.com/594953/2018/10/19/qa-rams-cap-guru-tony-pastoors-on-offseason-deals-the-jared-goff-high-class-problem-and-more-work-to-do/

    There​ is a classic​ scene in the movie “Swingers”​ where​ Vince Vaughn’s character introduces Jon​ Favreau’s character​ as​ “The guy​ behind the​​ guy behind the guy.”
    Ironically, that line aptly describes most NFL front offices these days. The Rams included.
    Out front, we always see general manager Les Snead or head coach Sean McVay or COO and executive vice president of football operations Kevin Demoff. And while the trio is largely responsible for the Rams’ undefeated start through the first six weeks of the season, there exists a guy behind the guy behind the guy, someone who largely operates behind the scenes without much fanfare or recognition.
    But he’s just as important to the whole operation as Snead, McVay and Demoff.
    Tony Pastoors — a quiet, measured 31-year-old former Dartmouth football standout — holds the title of vice president of football and business administration. And with a professional inscription as impressive as that, you can only imagine how wide and deep his responsibilities run.
    But for the purpose of brevity, all you really need to know about Patoors is that he’s the Rams salary cap guru and their chief contract negotiator.
    And while Snead and his staff are in charge of identifying and acquiring all the players and McVay and his staff are entrusted with coaching them up and Demoff and owner Stan Kroenke decide what the budget looks like each year, it is Pastoors who somehow makes it all work within the NFL’s incredibly complex and excruciatingly difficult salary cap.
    So if you’re a Rams fan looking to thank anyone for the incredible offseason the franchise achieved in which it rewarded Aaron Donald (six-year $135 million extension), Todd Gurley (four years, $57.5 million), Rob Havenstein (four years, $32.5 million), added Ndamukong Suh for $14 million, acquired Brandin Cooks and gave him a five-year $34 million extension and traded for Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, then Pastoors is your guy. He made it all work under the cap.
    And keep in mind Pastoors also preserved financial flexibility moving forward to take care of Jared Goff, who is creeping into that rarified air occupied by franchise quarterbacks and will need to get paid like one sooner rather than later.
    With an eye on the present and the future, Patoors helped lock in the Rams’ incredible young core. He also left plenty of room to supplement it in such a way that, provided they keep making sound personnel decisions, it will leave the Rams as playoff contenders over an extended window.
    “His job is to make sure that, ‘Hey, not only can we have Christmas but we can have birthdays and next year’s Christmas and next year’s birthdays and so on and so forth,’ ” Snead said.
    Demoff, a fellow Dartmouth alum, brought Pastoors to the Rams in 2010 after he graduated. Pastoors’ role continued to grow and evolve until Demoff finally handed over contract negotiating responsibilities to him in 2015.
    “I always knew I wanted to work in sports,” Pastoors said. “I’m a passionate sports fan and always loved the team aspect and being around a team. And wanting to help build a team.
    “I don’t know that I ever dreamt about negotiating contracts. I think that’s just one of those things, it’s just how the world worked out. I had an unbelievable mentor in Kevin to learn from and over the years, kind of helped to take things off his plate more and more and more until one day he kind of looked at me and said, ‘Hey go for it.’ ”
    Along the way, Pastoors has cultivated a much-needed calming presence in the often volatile and emotional world of pro football in which the desire to win now must be balanced with the bigger picture. What might look great today could cause major ramifications tomorrow.
    “He’s a great compass,” Snead said. “Because he’s the one who will constantly remind us of our philosophy that was designed and put together during the calm moments and not during the storm when we’re irrational or emotional.”
    “When all four of us are together he’s going to listen like 95 percent of the time,” Snead added. “But then when he does say something, it’s absolutely worth listening to.”

    Pastoors sat down with The Athletic to talk about his role, the Rams’ offseason and how things look moving forward.

    In your role as the salary cap manager and contract negotiator, do you ever have to play the role of the parent having to tell the kids they might not be able to get that one big present they were hoping for?

    I hope that’s never happened (laughing). No, honestly I think that’s probably a lot of Kevin’s role. At the end of the day, that’s big picture. And while I certainly do that, part of what I always strive to do is to make sure you never have to say no. And be in a position where you always have the flexibility to do those kinds of things. Now, I don’t want to say I’ve never said no. But certainly, and I think Les and Sean have an unbelievable understanding of all this, there are tradeoffs to everything we do. So yes, we may be able to do this, but we’re not going to be able to do this, this or this. Fortunately, to this point, we haven’t had to say no too much, but I think a lot of that is because of their understanding.

    It would seem in your world with managing a salary cap that you’re constantly thinking one year, two years, five years down the road. Is that accurate?

    That’s probably more of how I operate than say Sean and Les. Especially during the season, right? Coach lives in a week-to-week, so Sean is only thinking right now. And certainly Les goes right along with that. What do we need this week? Especially in season, they’re pretty focused on the now. Every once in a while you’ll be able to get Les out and have a bigger picture conversation. But if you want to talk about the future or planning right now with Sean, it’s probably not an ideal time. So yeah, it’s pretty much how I function. I have to look ahead.

    I’m constantly trying to plan years out in advance and forecasting where we’re going to be. And obviously it looks nice right now, but realistically how much is it going to be that way? In a perfect world, it’s ‘Hey, this is what we’ll look like in ‘19, this is what we’ll look like in ‘20.’ But obviously, there’s hundreds of variables in between that will change all that. So at times you kind of feel like you plan ahead only to throw it all away anyway.
    But, no, right now I’m not looking much at all at 2018. We’re done and gone there. We’re looking ahead to 2019, 2020 and 2021 and trying to figure it out and make sure we’re continually set up for success.

    You were front and center in an incredibly successful — and I’m sure stressful — offseason. Let’s start with the Aaron Donald situation, which for obvious reasons dominated the news. It took more than a year to get that done. As the person in the thick of those negotiations, can you shed any light on what the primary sticking point was?

    There’s so many — especially deals of that magnitude — there’s just so many little nuances that go into it. Obviously, the dollar amount is what everyone will fixate on or the guarantee amount. But the structure and how the mechanisms in that contract work and when the guarantees fully vest and what does that mean from a financial standpoint for the club and things like that, all of those things get played into it. And since it had been a while since a top-notch defender was done like that, I think it further complicated things.
    And so, trying to put Aaron in a position where he felt appreciated and he felt the contract was commensurate with his play and do it in a structure that we were able to actually deal with and handle today, tomorrow and two or three years from now — right? — you can’t just do a deal and say, “Hey, you’re the highest paid defensive player, great, let’s just move on.” I mean, that deal is going to, we’re going to feel that for years to come. And if he keeps playing the way he plays I don’t think we’ll have any issues with it, right?
    But just making sure we’re set up for success because this is one of those games where it’s not just about that one guy. There’s always going to be 53 guys and so how do you manage all of that and, like I said, if things continue to progress and go the right way, hopefully, we’re looking at another big contract for a quarterback here soon. And so how does all that fit in? And how do we spread these things out and manage them over the years?

    Staying on 2018, it was a pretty active offseason with the trades for Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib and Brandin Cooks and adding Ndamukong Suh and extending Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley and Rob Havenstein and Cooks. It really could not have played out much better. What do you attribute the smoothness to?

    I think it starts and ends with (Rams owner) Stan Kroenke. Players have taken note, right? And so, we had a pretty successful year a year ago and have an unbelievable young head coach who the players really, really respect and love and that gets around pretty quick. I think all of those things made the offseason much easier than it probably could have been.
    Not to say it was easy by any stretch. It’s never easy getting some of those things done. But between Kevin and Les and Sean and the support we have around here, we were able to get things done. And we were fortunate we worked with some really good agents on the other end who were willing to work with us and, at times, were willing to be creative.
    We’re not always the most simple “this is how we do things” (franchise). We have no problems looking at things differently and creatively. And so we were pretty fortunate in that sense.

    From the outside looking in, the perception is you guys were much more aggressive this offseason in adding players. Fair? And if so, what was the motivation?

    I don’t know that we were more aggressive this offseason than we’ve ever been. I think it was just, probably, it just came across as a little different. And people probably pay a little more attention because you are 11-5 and you are in Los Angeles and you have Sean as your head coach and Les. And things are going the right way and people kind of sensed and felt that.
    But with every move, there’s a tradeoff and so we’ve been fortunate in that we’ve had a lot of good players. And some of them left in free agency and so, OK, how do we supplement some of that? And we trade away players too, right? We acquired an Aqib Talib and a Marcus Peters, but we also traded away a former defensive captain and former first-team All-Pro.
    So things went in and things went out. That’s where the notion that we were ultra-aggressive, it probably just manifested itself in a different way than it had before. But I think every offseason you go into wanting to try and better your team.
    That said, even with all the moves you made, this wasn’t a one-and-done situation. The long range has been protected.
    The notion that we pushed all the chips in and went all in (this year), I mean, I understand where it comes from. It’s just not how we’re set up at all.

    You mentioned the possibility of a big contract soon for your quarterback, Jared Goff. For whatever reason, there is a certain line of thinking that it’s so hard to build a Super Bowl contending team while paying a quarterback big money. It’s almost like some people think it’s impossible to do so. Where do you fall in that regard, especially as someone who manages the salary cap and negotiates contracts and who has a young, high-level quarterback who will eventually be paid as one?

    I’m actually going through Super Bowl teams in my head and, aside from Russell Wilson on a rookie deal and, obviously, Philadelphia was different last year because of the quarterback injury. But aside from those two examples, I’m pretty sure they were all veteran quarterbacks or guys that were not on rookie contracts.
    Matt Ryan was on a $20-plus-million contract when he played in a Super Bowl. Cam Newton, when he played in a Super Bowl, was on his second contract. Obviously, Peyton Manning was well-paid in his Super Bowl appearances. Ben Roethlisberger, aside from maybe his first one, was on a big contract. Eli Manning was on a second contract. Aaron Rodgers was on a second contract. Drew Brees was not on a rookie deal when he won a Super Bowl. And obviously, Tom Brady has been on a few contracts.
    And so the notion of, your (only or best) shot is when your quarterback is on a rookie deal has been disproven regularly. And certainly you have the ability to do some things, and you try to stagger some of these things in how and when people are paid in preparation for assuming a quarterback contract.
    That position is just different. That’s the one position in this game you can’t truly scheme away from. If the best pass rusher is on one end, well, you can run away from him. The best receiver, you can double cover him. The quarterback is getting the ball on every play, and there’s nothing you can really do to stop that. And certainly, there are defensive coordinators over the years that have shown ways to slow it down or maybe affect it. But you can’t stop — whether it’s Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers or whoever from getting the snap from center and doing what they do. And so that position is different. It’s paid what it is for a reason. And I don’t think it’s a hindrance to pay a quarterback.
    If you’re paying a quarterback, it means you’ve got a quarterback. And if you’ve got a quarterback, you’ve got a chance. Otherwise, you’re looking for one. And we did that for a number of years. Some unfortunate injuries and (other factors), and so you were looking.
    Obviously, Jared has demonstrated over the last year plus he is truly in command of this offense and what he’s done so far (this year) speaks volumes to who he is as a player and the work he’s put in and the relationship he has with Sean and the work they’re doing together. Really, that offense as a whole. But it’s a great problem to have. A high-class problem. Worrying about paying a quarterback? Great. That means we’ve got one. We can figure out the rest.

    Does having an owner with the resources of a Stan Kroenke help when it comes to managing the salary cap? The way you can structure contracts and pay them out?

    Not really because there’s such parity in the NFL and you have the hard salary cap. In the NBA, you have a luxury tax in which the big-market teams can go above and beyond because of their local TV deals. Baseball you can do the same. But with it being a truly hard cap, it makes it a pretty even playing field across the board and between all the owners and the teams. With the CBA and the minimum spend thresholds over four-year periods and everything like that, we’re all pretty much living in the same world. And so, I don’t know that it gives us any sort of advantage.
    I think the advantage we have from our owner — and I truly believe we have an unbelievable advantage having someone like Mr. Kroenke. I mean it’s right there on the wall (pointing to a wall-sized rendering of the new $4.5 billion stadium the Rams are building in Inglewood). What he’s doing here in Los Angeles — players and coaches and media and people are taking note. What he’s doing here is special and unique and it’s probably once in a lifetime. And to be able to be a part of it is pretty cool. I think our players see that every day and we’re fortunate to have a guy like Sean, but to me, it all starts and ends with Stan.

    You seem like a very laidback guy. But as someone who negotiates contracts, that can be a pretty volatile, emotional world. How would you describe your demeanor as a negotiator?

    I try to be laidback. I’m not sure you’ve ever seen Kevin or Les on game day but … someone needs to be laidback. Or at least calm.
    No, I think that’s, I think by nature I’m a little more tranquil, but I certainly can get excited at times. I think anyone can. But that’s something I’ve learned over the years and something I learned from Kevin. And certainly something you learn from Stan. I mean, he’s as even-keeled as they come. Obviously, those two have been pretty successful in what they’ve done, so you try to imitate some of that. And obviously, you see Sean on the sidelines in the way he handles himself.
    I don’t know that getting into an argument is going to help either side. It doesn’t mean I always agree, but there are certain ways to communicate that in a respectful manner and not get everybody all up in arms.

    Sean McVay has talked about still evolving as a play caller. Do you feel the same way managing a salary cap and negotiating contracts?

    If you’re not learning and evolving, you’re probably in trouble. I think it’s with everything we do. You want to look at it and go back and, “OK, what did we do well? What did we do not so well?” And for me, it’s always keeping an eye on what’s going on around the league. It’s not just our deals we look at, it might be others.
    And I’m just a fan of sports and building and managing teams. No different than Sean being a fan of great coaches. I’m a big sports fan. So whether it’s the NBA or the NHL, MLB, NFL or even some of the soccer stuff now. You follow that stuff. You keep tabs on it. A big contract comes in, and how do these things get done? And so it’s always been interesting to me how things get done, how they’re put together and how do people build teams. Whether it’s this sport or another sport.
    What the Warriors have done is really, really impressive. Being able to put that team together with, and while everyone talks about “Oh, they went and bought Kevin Durant in free agency,” but that team was essentially put together through the draft. And you kind of forget about that. Look, a few years prior to that, Oklahoma City with James Harden and Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant you kind of look back and go, “Whoa.”
    And so, how do those teams get put together? How do you keep those teams together? And that’s the hardest part. And we have one here in the NFL that somehow does it year in and year out in New England. How do they continually have such success? So certainly you keep tabs on all that stuff and try to learn from them. And even in the business world. I mean, I look at that (the rendering of the new Inglewood stadium) every day, right? And how that came to be and everything that went into it.
    That will make an unbelievable book someday. But just being able to see how that all came about, there’s so many different ways to learn.

    Obviously, the CBA is incredibly complicated. Are there elements in there that would take you by surprise?

    There’s always going to be something. But you always want to continue to learn. And I would never say, “Oh, I’ve mastered the salary cap” and this is easy or anything like that. Because there’s a lot that goes into it and a lot of preparation for everything we do and a lot of planning and forward thinking.
    And I think the other part of it is, while the salary cap — and people kind of get fascinated by it and talk about how teams manage it — but at the end of the day there’s real money behind it. And it’s not my money. So I will always be, probably, overly careful and overly cautious or at least try to be. Because you take very seriously the responsibility of taking care of, or spending, someone else’s money. And like I said, it begins and ends with Stan, and for him to give us these resources and allow us to compensate our players well, it’s a responsibility you don’t take lightly.

    With the NFL salary cap as hard as it is, does it get frustrating at times knowing you simply have to come to grips with making difficult decisions?

    It certainly can be frustrating, but I think what you always want to do is set yourself up and set the organization up to be flexible to adapt. And you never want to disappoint anyone. Whether it’s the coaches or the players. But inevitably someone’s maybe not going to feel valued the way they think they should.
    But we’re pretty fortunate, and at the end of the day you can always manipulate salary caps. And Kevin will tell you, it’s like a credit card, right? You can pay it all now or you can pay it over time and feel the pain little by little. And for the most part, we’ve always tried to take as much pain in the here and now. Now, obviously, when you do a deal like Aaron Donald or Todd Gurley you can’t exactly do that. And so, there’s some elements of where we deviated a little bit from how we’ve done things in the past.
    But at times you have to be willing to do that for exceptional players like that. And when you have the Offensive and Defensive Players of the Year, you’re probably going to have to do that. And we’re unbelievably fortunate because of everything Mr. Kroenke allows us to do and the resources he gives and the support he provides everyone in this building. It really makes a lot of it manageable.

    Trades can happen in a variety of ways — quick process, prolonged — and as the salary cap guy you probably have to have answers quickly in order to give Les a sense of what can be accomplished or not. In the case of, say, the Marcus Peters trade, how did that play out?

    That one actually came about pretty quick. But I think it was no secret to anyone that one of the places we looked at this offseason to improve was at cornerback. And we had a guy (Trumaine Johnson) who was on two franchise tags and we’re making a decision about financially how does it work potentially putting a third tag and what does his free agency number look like and all those different things.
    You lean on the scouts as far as what does the draft look like? Where we’re picking, what are the chances we can get a guy who can come in and play right away? And we fill those things in. OK, if he’s not a right-away day-one starter and he’s a year or two away, what do we do this year? How do you fill that spot? So you’re looking at all these different scenarios and all these different ways to address it.
    And so when Kansas City reached out, it was a pretty quick conversation. Les came over and said, “OK, what’s the contract look like?” And it’s a rookie deal. So you knew financially that it fits. Especially at that time of the year. And from there, Les and Sean sit down and go through the player and watch tape together and that kind of stuff. And all the while you’re trying to figure out what’s the ask. What do they really want? And what are we willing to give up in exchange for a player like this? And obviously a player like Marcus’ caliber, they don’t come cheap.
    And then just finding a way to get that deal done — obviously not having a 2018 second-rounder, you had to look ahead to 2019. You put that deal together and you’re able to when Les and Sean and everyone kind of signs off and Les and we’re constantly bouncing off, “OK, what exactly does the compensation look like?” And when Les finally gets us to a place where we’re all like, “OK.” At that point, you just wait for the trade papers.

    But making a trade like you did for Marcus Peters, there are financial considerations looming in terms of his next contract. How much is that talked about?

    Yes, you have to look at everything. You can’t just say, “Hey we’re going to make this trade and it’s all going to work out and life is good.” You have to look at: What does this mean a year from now? Two years from now? What’s the fifth-year option number? What does the franchise tag potentially looks like? How does that fit if that’s the road you have to go down? Are you able to actually do that?
    And then for us, once that deal was done, OK, how do you address the other (cornerback) side? And credit to Les and credit to our scouts, they were able to scour college, pro, everything. And there aren’t enough guys on the planet that can go outside and play corner. There just aren’t.
    So to be able to acquire two good ones (Aqib Talib being the other) in one offseason is a credit to those guys. And trying to figure out how to actually make it work, I’m just trying to hold up my side of it.

    And almost simultaneously, here comes a trade for Brandin Cooks for a first-round pick knowing he was set to become a free agent at the end of the year. Can you shed light, from your end of things, how that that all played out?

    There was some interest last year. Obviously, he was traded to New England, so it’s a guy you kept tabs on.
    When we went into free agency, we were unsure where we were going to end up with (Sammy Watkins), and when that got to a point where it’s just not looking good, it’s going to end up here, you kind of go back to work and say, “OK, what are our other options? What does the draft look like? Who are the other free-agent options? Who can you potentially trade for?”
    And so you kind of talk through that list and then Les kind of reaches out to New England and obviously the whole story of Sean and Bill Belichick at a clinic together. Then it’s how does it all work? And the thing that made that one a little tougher is we were courting Ndamukong Suh at the time.
    So, trying to balance, “Hey, where can we go on Ndamukong?” And … “if this is where Ndamukong’s number grows to or this is where that market heads, you can’t fit this in too.” And so if this is going to come, then Ndamukong has to be between this and this. And how does it all balance itself out?
    And during the offseason when Sean’s not in game-plan mode — he’s in the office and he’s grinding on tape and doing all that kind of stuff — we’re constantly talking as a group. And Kevin will be here as well. And so what does it look like moving forward.
    And so then, when you formulate all that stuff you kind of run it up the flagpole and get Stan’s perspective on it as well. Which is always invaluable. Especially this offseason, the support. Obviously, he was a major part of last season. He’s been a major part of every offseason but obviously this year incredibly so.

    It just seems like there was an urgency. Not to say there wasn’t one when you were making the climb up, but winning the division and the goal line being within arm’s reach, it just seems like there was an urgency during the offseason to close that gap.

    Last year just felt different for everybody. And wanting to build on that and from the day the season ended, 11-5 was fun, it was great, but it’s not good enough. And so how do we take those next steps and Mr. Kroenke is a major part of that process with us.
    And so, as we went through everything this offseason for him to be supportive and part of it and, really, in a lot of regards the driving force behind all of this, that’s where we have such an advantage with him. We wouldn’t get Suh if Stan is not a part of this. And that’s where it’s so awesome to have an owner like that.

    It almost seems like, at the beginning of Suh’s free agency you guys couldn’t be serious contenders considering everything else that was going on. But you stayed patient and it just seemed like his market eventually fell into your world.

    Yeah, sometimes I think being patient is just fine. It’s not always hurry up so you get something done. And so you make decisions. And again, a lot of that comes from the guidance of guys like Kevin and Stan.
    So while, yeah, it would have been great if we were able to get it all done a year earlier or six months earlier or whatever it may have been, the process had to play out.
    It’s no different than players, right? Sometimes you’d love to, say, “I wish we would have done Aaron’s deal a year earlier.” It would have probably caused me a lot less stress and him a lot less stress and Les and Sean and our fanbase a ton less stress. But sometimes it just doesn’t work out that way. And being patient is never a bad thing. And sometimes things fall to you, sometimes things don’t. But I think people, players especially, they see and they know what’s going on here. And so sometimes we can afford to be patient and things work themselves out.
    You don’t get any of these deals done, whether it’s trades or extensions or anything like that, without a buy-in from players. We can offer a lot of these guys whatever it is, but if this isn’t where you want to be or this doesn’t feel right, it’s probably not going to work out for anybody. And that’s something we’ve been extremely fortunate with.

    Do you give yourself a chance to celebrate or is it always onto the next one?

    This offseason, it definitely felt like, “OK, we’re on to the next one.” But it’s exciting, obviously. And I don’t want to take away from that. To be able to extend a guy like Todd Gurley and keep him in a Rams uniform for a long time is really exciting for our fans and our coaches. For the city of Los Angeles. And so, I don’t want to take that away and I never would.
    But I don’t know if it was last season, and kind of the mentality of this offseason, but we feel like we’ve got more work to do. There’s unfinished business. And so it was — it’s great to get those things done because I hope it sets us up for years to come. But at the same time, while an NFC West championship last year was a great first step, it’s not the ultimate goal.

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    The​ announcers were too​ dim-witted to notice​ but​ the Broncos​ wisely​ letting Todd​ Gurley​ run​ the​ ball up and​ down the​​ field resulted in the Rams being below average in scoring points.

    I wondered about this during the game. I remember Belicheat talking about how they wanted the Rams to run in the Super Bowl. I remember him saying that they felt if Marshall Faulk got over 100 yards, then the Pats would have a chance.

    What made me wonder about that was that for all the success Gurley was having on the ground, then play action should be working, but it wasn’t. Whenever they showed a replay of one of Goff’s incompletions it seemed like every Rams receiver was locked up with a defender. Play action passing isn’t going to be effective when the defense ignores the “play action” part – which is what a defense can do if they aren’t vested in stopping the running game.

    So, what do the Rams do if other teams try to limit their scoring by giving them the running game and taking away the pass?

    Then they need to take what the defense is gives them. Run it. But scoring TDs in the redzone becomes more of a priority, so McVay can’t be as impatient as he was against Denver. And the defense needs to get off the field. They have to tighten up the pass defense.

    And that might not be as difficult as it seems.

    I don’t think the Rams pass defense was that bad against Denver. Hill gave up a coupla big plays, but that last Denver drive to get to within three points never should have happened. A Denver receiver committed a blatant pass interference penalty against Hill that the refs completely missed. Then there was the phantom facemask penalty on Countess, and the bad interference penalty on Shields on what was arguably an uncatchable ball. The Broncos likely don’t score if they weren’t aided by those bad calls and non-calls.

    The biggest problem with the Rams pass defense is the lack of a pass rush. Sure, Donald and Suh are great at hurrying the QB, but the QB just rolls away from pressure and finds a receiver. They need to find an edge rusher that can keep the QB in the pocket. Hopefully Ogbonnia Okoronkwo can help. The fact that Matt Longacre sees extensive playing time as an edge rusher is an indictment of the talent the Rams have at that spot.

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    https://theathletic.com/589786/2018/10/14/week-6-scouting-notebook-tarik-cohen-david-njoku-level-up/

    Michael Salfino

    The​ announcers were too​ dim-witted to notice​ but​ the Broncos​ wisely​ letting Todd​ Gurley​ run​ the​ ball up and​ down the​​ field resulted in the Rams being below average in scoring points. The object of defense is to limit points, not shut down the running game. I’ve said for a couple of weeks now that this was how defenses should play the Rams. This will catch on. Todd Gurley will run wild. But that Rams passing game and receivers will be less productive and thus total Rams points will decrease.
    My analogy with this approach is that the Rams are Mr. Freeze and defenses are Batman. Does Batman want Mr. Freeze to just shoot him (analogous to quick touchdowns via the air) or laboriously try to kill him by making him into a snow cone (the slow death via the running game). Like Batman, a defense can avoid the slow death. Here’s a photo to help you understand these advanced football concepts.
    Finally, the Rams had 17 third downs. They converted eight. But the key is getting Los Angeles into third down. Against the Vikings when they lit it up, they had seven third downs (and converted just one).
    The Vikings are the poor-man’s Rams in that you want to dare them to run not only because their passing game is so deadly but because they seemingly can’t run. That changed today when Latavius Murray romped for 155 yards. If you can wait like three weeks, buy Dalvin Cook.

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    Sean McVay’s harsh self-critique reveals just how accountable Rams really are

    https://theathletic.com/589867/2018/10/15/sean-mcvays-harsh-self-critique-reveals-just-how-accountable-rams-really-are/

    DENVER​ — Maybe the​ craziest part of​ all​ is that,​ as​ much as​ Twitter​ was​ @-ing​ Rams head coach​ Sean McVay​​ wondering why he wasn’t just feeding Todd Gurley every time the Rams sniffed the red zone on Sunday, no one was criticizing McVay louder or with more frequency than McVay himself.
    It happens like that sometimes, even for an offensive wunderkind like McVay, whose Rams improved to 6-0 with a much closer than expected 23-20 win over the Denver Broncos. Frankly, they pulled off the victory somewhat in spite of their 32-year-old head coach.
    “I thought I put us in some horrible spots throughout the game [by] really getting impatient, forcing things that weren’t there,” McVay said. “The players bailed me out finding a way to get a win.”
    That seems odd considering the Rams just completed a two-game road sweep in two of the most difficult places for visiting teams to win in the NFL — Seattle and Denver — and did so in wet, cold and very un-L.A.-like weather conditions while digging deep into their depth chart to overcome the losses of some key starters for long stretches of both games.
    But these Rams are an accountable bunch, and it starts at the very top. So while everyone was celebrating another big road win, McVay was kicking himself for making it harder than it should have been.
    “We were able to stay ahead of the chains,” he said. “Really with an exception of some things with me putting us in bad spots.”
    That might be pushing it a little bit. Especially since no one is more responsible for the franchise’s dramatic turnaround than McVay, whose creativity, passion and offensive genius have turned the Rams into one of the most dangerous teams in the NFL.
    But then, the criticism was mostly self-directed.
    In fact, McVay chastised himself after his Rams survived the snow, frigid cold and stubborn Broncos. The way he sees it, he got a little too cute and a tad too aggressive on a couple of early red-zone trips that resulted in field goals instead of touchdowns and turned a potential blowout into an eventual nail biter.
    And as the Rams’ play caller, the blame falls squarely on his shoulders.
    “The cold didn’t really dictate the play selection,” McVay muttered afterward. “If anything, the cold might have just affected my brain with some of the decisions I made.”

    The play calling did seem a bit curious considering the Broncos opted to over-defense Jared Goff and the passing game while blanketing the second and third levels and bringing plenty of heat with the pass rush duo of Bradley Chubb and Von Miller.
    The Broncos did so knowing full well it might mean Gurley going off.
    “Today, that was kind of part of our game plan, try to make them run the ball, really,” Broncos cornerback Chris Harris said. “Their offense has been putting up 40 points per game, so we just tried to figure out a way to slow them down.”
    Defending the Rams these days has become a dangerous game of pick your poison. The Broncos decided if anyone on the Rams was going to beat them, it was going to be Gurley.
    “One of the centerpieces of what makes us so special on offense is that week in and week out we see teams and defensive coordinators that (decide) either Todd’s not going to beat me or I’m going to let Todd get off and stop them from throwing the football,” Rams left tackle Andrew Whitworth told The Athletic.
    Or as Goff explained it: “We had a good feeling we were going to get some removal up front on some of these guys if they wanted to play a little bit deeper like they did in the secondary, which is fine. They were having a hard time stopping the running. Today we were able to run home. It is a testament to up front what we were able to do so. Todd, just being the guy he is, he’s the same guy every week and today we got to see it in full-force.”
    Gurley ran for a career-high 208 yards and two touchdowns on 28 carries, averaging 7.4 yards per carry. It was a spectacular performance that thrusts him back into the MVP conversation.
    And it was evident very early that Sunday had all the characteristics of one of Gurley’s signature-type games as he kept gashing the Broncos for big chunks of yards.
    “It was obvious when we’re carrying the ball [and] getting five, 10 yards per carry,” Gurley said.”Obviously you want to go with what’s working and that’s what we did today.”
    Gurley’s numbers could have been more pronounced — and the path to a Rams win much, much clearer — had McVay remained disciplined at some critical junctures and simply pounded the Broncos with his reigning Offensive Player of the Year.
    “You ride the hot hand, right?” Rams center Jon Sullivan said. “No matter what, we’re going to execute the plays that are called. We trust Sean. That’s never going to change. I’m not going to say at times we weren’t lobbying to keep running that thing.”
    But McVay got away from the run game at times. He admits it probably cost the Rams.
    “The players will look at themselves as well, but there was a handful of plays that I really thought I didn’t do a very good job for us today,” McVay said.
    The first curious decisions came on the Rams’ first drive of the game when they threw six straight times only to stall at the Denver 8-yard-line and settle for a 26-yard Cairo Santos field goal. The second head scratcher took place on their next possession when Gurley ran five times for 43 yards but, with the Rams facing a third-and-2 from the Broncos 22, McVay opted against another Gurley run in favor of a short pass to Robert Woods that fell incomplete. Out came Cairo again for a 39-yard field goal to make it 6-0.
    Only it felt like the Rams should have led 14-0.
    The third curious play call might have been the most egregious. Leading 13-3, the Rams got the ball at the 50-yard line with 39 seconds left in the first half after the Broncos were thrown for an 11-yard loss on fourth down. Denver smartly over-defended the long pass on the back end and brought pressure off both edges and along the interior of the line. The situation was ripe for a screen pass or a draw play to Gurley to beat the heat or a short-to-intermediate pass to work the sideline to get the Rams into field goal position.
    Instead, the Rams tried to push the ball downfield with slower developing pass concepts, resulting in Goff getting sacked on two of his three pass drops to negate any chance for a field goal attempt.
    McVay fumed at himself.
    “I think that’s where I’m most bothered is because of the decisions where I put our guys in those spots where you can stay ahead of the chains,” he said. “Some of those third downs or even the two-minute at the end of the half, I thought I did a poor job of running plays that give us the best chance to execute. That’s something I’ve got to do a much better job of.
    “Fortunately, with the way the team and the players played, coaches doing a good job, you can learn being able to win in a tough atmosphere on the road. Those are some things that you can’t wait to go back, look at the tape and think about why some of the decisions were made.”
    The Rams are 6-0 as the league’s lone undefeated team. So it’s sort of a new world problem, right?
    That said, McVay shouldn’t beat up himself too much. After the Broncos cut the lead to 20-13 in the fourth quarter, he called nine runs as part of a 13-play drive that took 5:39 off the clock and resulted in a field goal for a 23-13 lead with 3:15 remaining.
    McVay’s players urged him to go easy on himself.
    “I thought he was great today. He may say differently, but I thought he did a great job,” Goff said. “There are just things to learn from the win. We hold ourselves to such a high standard that if we do not turn the ball over and score 30 points, it does not feel the same.
    “I think as the rest of the night goes on, I think that mood may shift. A win is a win and we are 6-0 overall. We are lucky to be in this position but have worked to be here. It’s a great road win.”

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    Hmmm, well I’ll need to verify the legitimacy of that source.

    I’ve never heard of this “LA Times”.

    And the name ‘Gary Klein’ sounds made-up to me.

    Yeah sorry the link takes you to the wrong post. It’s the post before the one the link prefers (ie. it’s the one before the Klein article post).

    That post contains IMO the best analysis of what’s wrong with the D we’ve seen yet. Here’s the key line, from VB: “Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined.”

    And…screw the link, here’s the whole post:

    from Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore

    My personal feeling is Peters isn’t totally healthy, and some of what he usually can do from an athletic standpoint he just isn’t able to do right now. I think he might have to make an adjustment to compensate – which I believe he has to some extent. But if I’m a fan, I remain patient. When it’s all said and done he’s going to be fine

    The defensive struggles against the Seahawks, I felt, was related to honoring Russell Wilson and dealing with him and some guys trying to do too much. They got burned in the counter game as a result. Once they started playing more disciplined and focusing on their individual assignments it got better. That said they have to do a better job tackling. They were attacking much too high on runners I felt

    They need to play the full game the way they play the fourth. They’ve only given up three points in the fourth quarter over the last three games. Only six all together.

    No question the Seahawks were taking advantage of the Rams aggressive rush.

    This is what Michael Brockers told me when I asked him basically about that very thing:

    “Definitely got to have great assignment on your end because it’s like we have to squeeze a box on him. I said it before you have to kind of collapse on him and if you don’t collapse on him you leave that open and he’ll take advantage of it. His guys do a great job of doing the scramble drill and you know, getting open when he gets to moving around. It’s definitely a strategic way to rush Russell Wilson.”

    “Yeah, because we got everything together. We got on the sideline, came together, and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a hell of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys most importantly. It’s just about playing defense. Executing the defense, the way we should. Everybody tries to play the game within the game and I think that was a big deal with me today is trying to read what I’ve got and play off of it and stuff like that. As long as we do what we practiced and win our gaps, execute, and just dominate, I think we’ll be fine.”

    “Personally for me. I feel like I was just trying to get out there and get to the quarterback or make plays in the back field, stopping the running stuff. Just doing way too much when I could’ve just been doing my job and everything would’ve handled itself.”

    Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined. They just need to get off to better starts

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    Rams HC McVay, RGC Kromer, QBGoff, – 10/10/18

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    Rams Head Coach Sean McVay – October 10, 2018

    (On an update on WRs Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp)

    “Yeah, they’re progressing along in the protocol, making positive steps in the right direction. We’ll have a little bit more of an update if they’re on track to play, but everything is good. No setbacks or anything like that. They’re progressing in the right direction.”

    (On if Cooks and Kupp will practice today)

    “No, just because of the way that you have to go through it. They were able to take part in the walk-thru. They won’t practice today, but they just took part in – today is a big mental day for us anyways. We kind of alleviate the physical toll on these guys. So, they were able to take part in that part just now.”

    (On if he expects WRs Josh Reynolds and KhaDarel Hodge to step in if Cooks and Kupp are unable to play on Sunday)

    “Yeah, it would be those guys that did a nice job stepping in last week. But, unless there’s any setbacks, as long as they continue to take steps in the right direction, we feel good about those guys being ready to go.”

    (On if there’s something to be said about the defense knowing how to close games in the second half and fourth quarter)

    “Yeah, for sure there is. I think (Defensive Coordinator) Wade (Phillips) said it the other day – good teams plays their best in some of those pressure situations and I think that’s what you’ve seen from our defense. It’s a real credit to those guys. Certainly, the goal is to always play those complete games, but the other guys get paid too. There’s been some really good stuff that’s been done on the other side that you definitely don’t want to take credit away from, some of the things that these offenses have done. I know the work that our guys put in week-in, week-out. I know the work that the coaches put in to put in a game plan that’s conducive for putting our players in good spots. Our goal is to start fast and finish strong. That’s something that’s going to be a great challenge against an offense that presents a variety of problems in the run game, guys that make plays in the pass game. So, it’s a great challenge for us this week.”

    (On WR Josh Reynolds suffering injuries in both of the past two training camps, if that set him back both years and how he’s seen him progress since he got drafted)

    “Yeah, it’s hard to say. Certainly, hurting that ankle this past year, it definitely set him back in terms of just getting the reps. But in terms of the confidence, I thought (WR) Josh (Reynolds) took a lot of really good steps in the right direction with the offseason program that he had, the comfort level. Even though he had his shoulder injury where he wasn’t totally full speed, he was able to get out there, do a lot of the reps. He was intentional about learning the system in the meetings, where he’s got some position flex where he can really play all of our receiver spots because, really, (Wide Receivers Coach Eric) Yarber teaches concepts as opposed to just single spots. When those guys have a big picture understanding, it helps them to have a little bit more versatility and flexibility with some of the positions that we’re playing them at. Really, we’ve got such confidence in those three – have played so well that his opportunities have been limited, but to his credit, when his number was called this past week he did a great job delivering. It was the same thing when last year he got a couple opportunities. So, you never want to see guys get injured, but we do – like we’ve mentioned before – we feel like Josh is a starting-caliber player. We feel like he demonstrated that the other day and continues to take steps to get better.”

    (On if there’s anything he can do to prepare the team to potentially play in the snow in October)

    “Not really. I think, really, they’ve got to play in that as well. You’ve got to adjust. There’s a couple different things just menu-wise with your play selection that you want to be aware of, but it’s just like anything else. They’ve got to deal with those elements as well. Out here in southern California, unless we want to go to an ice rink, I don’t think we can really mimic and emulate that.”

    (On the weather concerns him at all regarding LB Mark Barron being able to play)

    “Really, until you brought it up, it could potentially just because of what occurred last year in Tennessee. It’s a good point and that’s something that we do want to think about as far as just making sure that we do all the little things to try to manage and make sure that’s not an issue. But, could it come up? Maybe it could, but I think (LB) Mark (Barron) would probably give you a better answer in terms of just how that cold affects his body.”

    (On concerns for K Greg Zuerlein kicking in those conditions and if he’s still a possibility to play this week)

    “He’s probably another week away. I thought (K) Cairo (Santos) did a nice job last week. Obviously, the thing that says as much as anything is the ability to respond. Missed the extra point, but then he makes a game-winning field goal. We always talk about the response and that was something that was instrumental obviously in getting that win the other day. But, I think the biggest thing is, talking to (Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel) ‘Bones’ and even talking to (K) Greg (Zuerlein), and as you continue to try to get more familiar – especially with the history of this injury with regards to kickers. The last thing you want to do is rush them back where they could potentially have a setback. The confidence that we do have in Cairo enables us to be a little bit more patient than maybe we would otherwise.”

    (On if the offense’s ability to get ahead dictates the way their defense plays because opposing offenses are always trying to catch up and if that makes it difficult on the defense)

    “Well, these five games have kind of provided a little bit different approach in each of the games. We were behind at the half against the (Oakland) Raiders. We had a lead for the entire game against the (Arizona) Cardinals and then it was kind of back and forth in those other two. Then, obviously playing from behind towards the end of the game against the (Seattle) Seahawks where you’ve got to kick a field goal with a few minutes left. So, I think the guys have done a good job. We always talk about playing complementary football. That’s one of the things as a coaching staff we try to make sure that we collaborate on is, offense, defense, special teams – what are the things that their phases do well? What do we need to do in order to be able to try to accomplish a win and put our guys in good spots? But, we always try to talk about playing complementary football. I think to the defense’s credit, when we’ve needed a stop at the most important times throughout the course this year, they’ve delivered in a big way. We always want to try to play those complete games in all three phases, but we know that that’s easier said than done. But, I think those guys have done a nice job and we always talk about playing that complementary football. I don’t know if that answers – hopefully that answers your question a little bit.”

    (On if they anticipated DB Blake Countess providing a big lift as a kickoff returner and what that has provided for the team)

    “He did a nice job. I thought there were some really good setups on the returns. He hit it. He had good ball security. Then (OLB Matt) Longacre got involved a little bit as well and got a couple returns. So, (DB) Blake (Countess) did a nice job. Going back to Auburn, he has some history returning kicks. You can see he hits that fearless. He’s got the speed to be able to press it and set some of those returns the right way and that’s what you want from a kick returner. He’s demonstrated that and we’ll continue to move forward with him. Obviously, he plays a valuable role on (special) teams and some other phases and on defense as well.”

    (On how he felt he did with red zone play calling this past week)

    “I think really, the first one, you’re disappointed because after an efficient run on first down, then you probably should’ve run it again, especially when you get a three-man rush and a loaded zone kind of look behind that, that leads to a turnover. You just want to make sure, ‘Alright, are you doing things that put our guys in good spots?’ Later on, then when we didn’t punch it in from the one (yard line) right there, that’s something that we can learn from in terms of they played a little bit different defensive structure than what they had shown. It was kind of the same look that they played later on when we ran the (quarterback) sneak. But I thought our players did a really good job after those first two, getting four conversions in a row where you end up going four for six. The goal is to always come away with points most importantly, but prefer touchdowns. I think you just want to continue to learn. One of the things that I’m not afraid to admit is that this is only the fourth year that I’ve done it. By no means do I have all the answers or the solutions. You try to look at yourself critically, and that really goes for all of us as coaches is figuring out, ‘Alright, are we making decisions’ – and it’s not so much the result as much as, ‘Alright, was this in alignment with what we think is best?’ If it works out – and sometimes there’s a lot of situations, more times than not – where I get lucky because the players end up bailing you out. So, that’s where some of those situations as far as remaining patient, are we getting good removal in the run game and if that’s the case then you want to be aware of that, but you also want to have that unpredictable element as well.”

    (On if play calling is something that you get better at with experience or if it’s something where you can really study it)

    “Yeah, I think experience is so valuable. If there’s one thing that I’ve learned is if you try to learn from your mistakes and make sure that you put those things in the memory bank, that’s really valuable. I think that’s one of the things that’s been as humbling and as eye opening as anything else. You always sit back and you hope to be able to get a chance to call plays and, ‘Oh yeah, you can do it,’ or whatever and then when you actually get into that role, it’s a little bit more humbling than what you thought. You’ve got to make sure that you’re adjusting, you’re able to adapt. You’re making sure that, ‘Alright, are you playing the game within the game beforehand so that you’ve got those decisions already made before, but then you’re also ready to adjust if they do something that’s different than what the film had said and kind of what you were planning on with regards to your game plan.’ I thought our coaches did an excellent job, in the second half especially, when you lose two key players like (WR) Brandin (Cooks) and (WR) Cooper (Kupp), to have their guys ready. Then, for the players to be able to adjust and adapt and still have a productive second half says a lot about the coaches and then obviously the players’ ability, most importantly, to handle that.”

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    Rams Run Game Coordinator Aaron Kromer – October 10, 2018

    (Opening statement)

    “Hey guys, I would like to start by just saying this first. We’ve had a good start but I feel like on our offense, especially the offensive line, that we have a lot of things that we can work on and that we can get better at. We left some plays out there, blocking scheme – wise. I think we blocked the right guys, we did the right thing, but it just didn’t quite finish out all the run plays like we wanted to in the last game. Had a couple pressures on the quarterback that I think we can get back. But, that’s where I think we are right now as an offensive line.”

    (On the offensive line being graded as one of, if not the best offensive line this season and if there’s anything they’re doing different this year or if the players are just clicking more in their second year together)

    “I think it’s clicking in the second year. I believe that it’s a case where these guys understand what we’re trying to get done. I said this two weeks ago, that they have a better understanding of what’s happening, and where the quarterback is in pass-protection downs and what the runner’s intent is in the running game. I think when everybody does that then you have a chance to, whoever’s grading, grade out better than you think. Like I said, I still think we can get a lot better and keep improving as the year goes on. That’s always the goal, by the end of the year to be better.”

    (On playing a team that didn’t have the greatest run-game defense last week and how they approach that)

    “I think in general, in last week’s game the Jets made some big plays that I think some guys were just out of position and didn’t make the tackle. I think they’ll get that fixed. I think it’s more than just a normal, they just rushed for 300 yards. They broke out some really big plays, where you get one guy slightly out of position and that’s how it works. That’s professional football league defense. So, I’m sure they’ll get that fixed and it’ll be a tough road for us. They have two talented players on the edge, they’ve been good in the middle. I think that was just a blimp on the radar for them.”

    (On the final possession of the Seattle game where the punt team came out and then they decided to go for it on offense and if he was on the phone with Head Coach Sean McVay saying they should go for it)

    “That’s a good question. I had nothing to do with it (laughs). Honestly, what was happening was a decision was being made by the head coach, the players came off just as (Head Coach) Sean (McVay) has said. The players came off with full confidence that they could get that yard to gain and I believe at that point it convinced the coach. There was no need to ask anyone else. When the guys doing it think they can, there’s a great chance that they’ll get it done.”

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    Rams Quarterback Jared Goff – October 10, 2018

    (On how he felt he played against Seattle and what he thinks he can improve on moving forward)

    “I felt like we did a lot of good things offensively and moved the ball pretty good. Again, I say it almost every week, you always want to finish in the red zone and that’s a lot to do with me there with that turnover there. Just finishing with touchdowns as much as we can and continue to take care of the ball.”

    (On how irreplaceable players like WRs Brandin Cooks and Cooper Kupp are)

    “They’re great players. They’re tremendous players and guys that I think would start on any team in the league, which makes them so special. I think more than anything, you miss their intellect and how smart they are. That’s not taking away from what they can do physically obviously, but they’re just so smart and get everyone lined up and are always on top of everything, understand the whole play. It’s hard to replace, but like you said, I think (WR) Josh (Reynolds) and (WR) KhaDarel (Hodge) did such a great job filling in. Hopefully, I’d like to get those two guys back this week.”

    (On the offensive line)

    “They’ve been tremendous. They’ve been really, really good all five weeks. They’ve kept me clean, they’ve kept the holes big for (RB) Todd (Gurley II) and they’re probably the number one reason we’ve been able to be so successful up to this point is their work up front. There hasn’t been a better group in the league I don’t think.”

    (On what he has seen from Broncos QB Case Keenum since he was last with the Rams)

    “Well last year, obviously the run he made with the (Minnesota) Vikings. That was so cool to see with him coming into the season, I don’t think expecting to play, and then all the circumstances that happened there. Then he finishes out the season with such a great year. Everything he did there was so great to see. You just seem him continue to get comfortable. I think from the year I was with him until now, I think – just like I have – we’ve both grown and gotten so much better. You see him more comfortable and just continuing to get better and it’s rare that that happens. But, I think that’s such a testament to the guy he is that this late in his career that he’s able to continue to get better and continue to improve. It’s awesome to see.”

    (On if there’s anything he can do mentally or physically to prepare for playing in the snow and the cold in Denver)

    “No. Just try to stay warm. If it is going to be cold, try to stay warm and do your best. I know that equipment will get us ready with a lot of stuff. Can’t really replicate that weather out here too well. Right now, it’s pretty nice. So if it is cold, we’ll play in it and if it’s not we’ll play in it and adjust accordingly. Yeah, I don’t know.”

    (On if he always has to know where Broncos OLB Von Miller is on the field)

    “Yes and no. I think on certain plays ‘no’ and some plays ‘yes.’ If it’s a known passing situation, knowing where a guy like that is that’s had so much success in those situations is, is important. But, I trust (T) Rob (Havenstein) and (T Andrew Whitworth) ‘Whit’ – whichever side he decides to play this week. I trust both those guys tremendously and what they’re done this year and through their whole careers has earned that trust and we feel good about both matchups. Not taking away from (Broncos OLB) Von (Miller) though. He’s a tremendous player.”

    (On RB Todd Gurley II’s ability to block for him and how much does that help what they’re able to do as an offense)

    “I think the ability to keep him in on third downs is huge. It’s just rare a back can run the way he does and then be so good in protection, so smart and understand the protection fully and then catch out of the backfield as well. All those things put together, he’s a three-down back. He’s a guy that we can leave him in there on third downs and be comfortable with him picking up linebackers and picking up corner blitzes and everything.”

    (On if he thinks Coach McVay has improved as a red zone play caller)

    “I think he’s a great play caller in any situation. We’re all trying to improve in every situation. Like I just said a minute ago, I’ve thrown three interceptions in the red zone and that’s definitely not helping us out. We’re all trying to improve and I think that’s really great when you can see a coach take ownership in things, especially if it’s not his fault. It’s awesome to see and I think it trickles down through the team.”

    (On if he thinks McVay is overly critical of himself)

    “Yes. Yeah, I do. He’s been great. We can be great, we can do a lot better as well.”

    (On what he’s seen from WR Josh Reynolds and his growth since last year and what he’s seen from WR KhaDarel Hodge)

    “(WR) KhaDarel’s (Hodge) a guy who’s — I don’t think he was on a team before we got him in camp, and that’s crazy to me because he was so good in the preseason and has been great with us so far. He’s good on special teams and is smart and strong and fast and all that. He’s been great. And then (WR) Josh (Reynolds), yeah, seeing him grow over the last year has been awesome. He came in learning a lot of things last year, just seeing him become more of a pro and a guy that I can trust down in and down out. Last year, he had to play a few games last year when (WR) ‘Rob’ (Woods) got hurt. Had some big plays against the Saints, probably could of had a couple touchdowns if I threw a better ball on a couple of things. He’s been great, he’s a guy that we trust. If he’s the one that has to go at any time, at any game we feel totally comfortable with it.”

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    #Rams have signed former #Saints fourth-round OT Rick Wagner to their practice squad.

    Rams sign Rick Leonard (not Wagner) to practice squad

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    Rick Leonard
    No. 73 – Los Angeles Rams
    Position: Offensive tackle
    Height: 6 ft 7
    Weight: 311 lb
    College: Florida State
    NFL Draft: 2018 / Round: 4 / Pick: 127

    Career history
    New Orleans Saints (2018)*
    Los Angeles Rams (2018–present)*

    New Orleans Saints
    Leonard was drafted by the New Orleans Saints in the fourth round, 127th overall, of the 2018 NFL Draft. He was waived on September 1, 2018 and was signed to the practice squad the next day. He was released on October 2, 2018.

    Los Angeles Rams
    On October 9, 2018, Leonard was signed to the Los Angeles Rams’ practice squad.

    Rick Leonard has the size (6’7″, 311 lbs) NFL teams want, but he’s a raw prospect who will take a patient coaching staff to mold him into a contributor. He’s a converted defensive lineman who has the speed and power to become an NFL offensive lineman, but his technique and fundamentals are still far behind many of his peers.

    Pos: Big-bodied tackle best on the strong side. Blocks with proper lean, keeps his feet moving and stays square. Strong at the point, effective with his hands and blocks with leverage. Displays terrific vision and awareness, keeps his feet moving and plays with a nasty attitude. Explosive at the point and fires off the snap into blocks.

    Neg: Lacks footwork and overall agility. Does a bit of bending at the waist. Cannot slide off the edge and overextends in his attempt to stop pass rushers.

    Analysis: Leonard showed development last season and has the underlying ability to eventually develop at the next level but will need time to finish his game. He’s likely headed for the practice squad this fall.

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    from Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/578588/2018/10/09/rams-live-qa-vinny-bonsignore-answers-your-questions-on-tuesday-oct-9-from-noon-to-2-p-m-pt/

    (this is in 2 threads but that’s okay, this is just a time when something belongs in 2)

    My personal feeling is Peters isn’t totally healthy, and some of what he usually can do from an athletic standpoint he just isn’t able to do right now. I think he might have to make an adjustment to compensate – which I believe he has to some extent. But if I’m a fan, I remain patient. When it’s all said and done he’s going to be fine

    The defensive struggles against the Seahawks, I felt, was related to honoring Russell Wilson and dealing with him and some guys trying to do too much. They got burned in the counter game as a result. Once they started playing more disciplined and focusing on their individual assignments it got better. That said they have to do a better job tackling. They were attacking much too high on runners I felt

    They need to play the full game the way they play the fourth. They’ve only given up three points in the fourth quarter over the last three games. Only six all together.

    No question the Seahawks were taking advantage of the Rams aggressive rush.

    This is what Michael Brockers told me when I asked him basically about that very thing:

    “Definitely got to have great assignment on your end because it’s like we have to squeeze a box on him. I said it before you have to kind of collapse on him and if you don’t collapse on him you leave that open and he’ll take advantage of it. His guys do a great job of doing the scramble drill and you know, getting open when he gets to moving around. It’s definitely a strategic way to rush Russell Wilson.”

    “Yeah, because we got everything together. We got on the sideline, came together, and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a hell of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys most importantly. It’s just about playing defense. Executing the defense, the way we should. Everybody tries to play the game within the game and I think that was a big deal with me today is trying to read what I’ve got and play off of it and stuff like that. As long as we do what we practiced and win our gaps, execute, and just dominate, I think we’ll be fine.”

    “Personally for me. I feel like I was just trying to get out there and get to the quarterback or make plays in the back field, stopping the running stuff. Just doing way too much when I could’ve just been doing my job and everything would’ve handled itself.”

    Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined. They just need to get off to better starts

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    I really hesitate to tout current PFF rankings for #LARams offense (Whitworth, Saffold, Blythe, Havenstein all top 3; WRs all Top 16; Goff No. 2)… …when Todd Gurley is ranked 20th among RBs.

    With Rams getting flexed out of SNF at SF, looking at future attractive matchups that could get flexed into prime time.

    at NO, at CHI stand out.

    But a lot plays into that, including network protection, caliber of alternative games.

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    Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/578588/2018/10/09/rams-live-qa-vinny-bonsignore-answers-your-questions-on-tuesday-oct-9-from-noon-to-2-p-m-pt/

    My personal feeling is Peters isn’t totally healthy, and some of what he usually can do from an athletic standpoint he just isn’t able to do right now. I think he might have to make an adjustment to compensate – which I believe he has to some extent. But if I’m a fan, I remain patient. When it’s all said and done he’s going to be fine

    The defensive struggles against the Seahawks, I felt, was related to honoring Russell Wilson and dealing with him and some guys trying to do too much. They got burned in the counter game as a result. Once they started playing more disciplined and focusing on their individual assignments it got better. That said they have to do a better job tackling. They were attacking much too high on runners I felt

    They need to play the full game the way they play the fourth. They’ve only given up three points in the fourth quarter over the last three games. Only six all together.

    No question the Seahawks were taking advantage of the Rams aggressive rush. This is what Michael Brockers told me when I asked him basically about that very thing: “Definitely got to have great assignment on your end because it’s like we have to squeeze a box on him. I said it before you have to kind of collapse on him and if you don’t collapse on him you leave that open and he’ll take advantage of it. His guys do a great job of doing the scramble drill and you know, getting open when he gets to moving around. It’s definitely a strategic way to rush Russell Wilson.” “Yeah, because we got everything together. We got on the sideline, came together, and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a hell of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys most importantly. It’s just about playing defense. Executing the defense, the way we should. Everybody tries to play the game within the game and I think that was a big deal with me today is trying to read what I’ve got and play off of it and stuff like that. As long as we do what we practiced and win our gaps, execute, and just dominate, I think we’ll be fine.” “Personally for me. I feel like I was just trying to get out there and get to the quarterback or make plays in the back field, stopping the running stuff. Just doing way too much when I could’ve just been doing my job and everything would’ve handled itself.”

    Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined. They just need to get off to better starts

    They wanted Cooks last year, but keep in mind they didn’t have a first-round pick in the 2017 draft. The Patriots gave up and first AND third round picks for Cooks and the Saints fourth-round pick in March. It wasn’t until later that summer they gave up their 2018 second-round pick for Sammy. The draft picks in question were two different drafts. The Patriots dipped into their 2017 draft capitol for Brandin. The Rams, because of the Goff trade, didn’t have as many picks to work with. The pick they gave up for Sammy was in 2018. In the end, it kind of all worked out. Who knows, maybe they don’t add Woods in 2017 or don’t draft Cooper Kupp in 2017 if they make a trade for Cooks in March of 2017.

    Obo can start practicing next week. The Rams have three weeks to decide if he is healthy enough to be activated to the 53 or just put on IR. I don’t think they take the full three weeks

    I thought the Cooks non-call/miss was really bad. I didn’t get the sense anyone felt it was intentional. But there was a sense the referee missed it and under the rule of the law it checked off all the boxes on a head-to-head call.

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    G Austin Blythe, Los Angeles Rams, 83.7 Overall Grade

    One of the men keeping Goff clean against the Los Angeles Chargers pass-rush was right guard Austin Blythe. Blythe did not surrender a single pressure in 38 pass-blocking snaps and was one of three Rams offensive linemen to accomplish that feat. He was also very effective in opening lanes for Todd Gurley, recording a run blocking grade of 77.2.

    Lance Zierlein: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/austin-blythe?id=2555180

    AUSTIN BLYTHE

    6’2″
    291LBS.

    Blythe comes from an NFL offensive line factory where he started 4 years at both guard and center.

    OVERVIEW

    In the sports world, Iowa is primarily known for two things: producing NFL offensive linemen and high-level wrestling. Blythe, a Williamsburg, Iowa native, is a perfect example of how those things go hand-in-hand. He was a two-time all-state pick in football (123 career tackles, 40 for loss, 14 sacks) and three straight heavyweight wresting titles (setting a state record with 143 pins) in a state that takes the sport very seriously. He put those skills to use in his redshirt freshman season, starting nine games at right guard but missing two due to injury. Blythe didn’t miss any more games during his three final years with the Hawkeyes, starting all 40 games at center. He gained recognition for his play each year, garnering consensus honorable mention All-Big Ten honors as a sophomore and second team All-Big Ten accolades from league coaches in 2014 and 2015. Blythe was even named as a Rimington Trophy finalist this season.

    PRO DAY RESULTS
    40-yard dash: 5.37 seconds
    Vertical: 31 inches
    Broad jump: 8 feet, 3 inches
    Short shuttle: 4.5 seconds
    3-cone drill: 7.53 seconds

    ANALYSIS

    STRENGTHS Four-year starter featuring durability and leadership qualities. Has played center and both guard spots which gives him a mental head­start. Controlled glider up to inside linebackers and plays with plus body control. Patient, confident run blocker who consistently lands his blocks in the center of his targets. Keeps his feet grinding after contact to generate movement and prolonged engagement as a blocker. Sticks to opponents like a shadow and is always bodied up near his man. Excellent outside zone blocker. Uses feet and upper body strength to run gap­-shooters up the field past the quarterback. The Hawkeyes love pulling him and using as lead blocker in space. Technician able to snap and step quickly on reach blocks. Sinks hips and can anchor up against bull rushers. Good functional strength for his size. Played in over 96 percent of team’s offensive snaps over last three years.

    WEAKNESSES Undersized by every standard that NFL teams use for centers. Lack of length and mass is a legitimate concern moving forward. Has played both guard spots and center, but size likely limits him to center only in the league. Teams may view him as fit for zone specific teams which could limit his draft stock. Catches pass rushers rather than punching. Will have to adjust to defensive tackles using length to disrupt his task. Tape shows potential mental mistakes in protection against blitzes.

    BOTTOM LINE Played with consistency throughout his stint as a four-year starter at Iowa and his 2015 tape is solid from start to finish. While his lack of physical traits could hurt where he is taken in the draft, his functional strength, technical savvy, athleticism and body control should not be ignored as he has all the makings of an eventual NFL starter.

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    Jared Goff quietly leads Rams to perfect 3-0 start

    Michael Silver

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000966111/article/jared-goff-quietly-leads-rams-to-perfect-30-start

    LOS ANGELES — The black Range Rover pulled toward the road connecting the northwest corner of the Coliseum to the City of Angels, creeping up alongside what was left of the friends and family section at the end of the locker-room tunnel. The man in the passenger seat was clearly in a hurry Sunday evening, what with a short week officially having begun, but suddenly the car came to a stop, and the tinted window on the driver’s side slid down to reveal the face of the NFL’s hottest young coach.

    “Your son balled today,” Sean McVay said, gesturing toward a smiling man standing alongside an adjacent fence. And as Jerry Goff accepted the coach’s praise of his son, Jared, the Los Angeles Rams’ third-year quarterback, the proud papa felt compelled to pay his respects to the play-calling prodigy who is the NFL’s reigning coach of the year.

    “He’s lucky to have you,” Goff told McVay.

    “I feel that way about him,” McVay replied.

    A few seconds later, McVay’s girlfriend, Veronika Khomyn, pulled the Range Rover out of the lot, leaving behind a 35-23 victory over the Los Angeles Chargers that pushed the Rams to 3-0 and decided the Fight For L.A. by unanimous decision.

    If you’re inclined to assume this was nothing more than simple pleasantries being exchanged in the ebullient wake of the team’s best start in 17 seasons, you’re missing the message behind McVay’s glowing assessment of his quarterback: Goff is not the product of his system. He is the pulse of it.

    “Saying he’s a system player — that’s just disrespectful,” McVay told me after the game, still steamed over a question suggesting as much that he’d received in a press conference last Wednesday. “It’s a total discredit to a great player. Those who know, know. Flip the tape on. People who know what it looks like to play the quarterback position at a high level know what they’re seeing.”

    “I know this: I wouldn’t want to be working with anybody else other than Jared Goff right now.”

    Flip on the tape. Go ahead. Start with the third-and-8 shotgun snap from his own 47-yard line that Goff received with 12:51 left in the third quarter and the Rams up 21-13. McVay had called a play anticipating zone coverage, but the Chargers went with a man-to-man alignment, and the designated man-beater target (receiver Robert Woods) wasn’t able to run the route of his choosing.

    As second-year wideout Cooper Kupp patiently explained to me later, “Robert had bad leverage on the route. He wanted to go inside, but (the defender) was inside. I was maybe the third or fourth read, but it all broke down, and I just tried to keep it alive.”

    With pressure closing in, Goff slid forward in the pocket, and slightly to his right. Defensive end Issac Rochell was coming from Goff’s left; defensive end Melvin Ingram swooped in from the right. And closing in quickly from behind Goff, blitzing linebacker Uchenna Nwosu dove into the back of his legs.

    “I had gone through all my reads, four or five of them, and I was completely off schedule,” Goff said later. “Then Cooper flashed — that was just him being a football player — and I was able to get it there.”

    Said Kupp: “It was 100-percent off schedule. Like, double off-schedule. But he got me the ball, and that definitely doesn’t happen if Jared’s not willing to hang in there as long as he did.”

    What happened was that Goff zipped a glorious dart toward the right sideline that Kupp caught in-stride at the Chargers’ 30. Cornerback Trevor Williams, who trailed Kupp by a step, grabbed the receiver from behind, but Kupp kept right on churning forward, and by the 20 he had shed Williams completely, continuing on his way to a 53-yard touchdown pass.

    It was one of many, many impressive throws by Goff on a day when he, and the Rams’ offense, put up some strikingly prodigious numbers.

    Goff completed 29-of-36 passes for 354 yards and three touchdowns, with another scoring throw overturned by a replay review that ruled receiver Brandin Cooks had been stopped at the 1-yard line. He did get dinged for an end-zone interception, with Chargers rookie safety Derwin James making a nice read on a corner throw intended for tight end Gerald Everett.

    No worries: The Rams’ Cory Littleton responded by blocking a Drew Kaser punt in the end zone, with teammate Blake Countess recovering for a touchdown. And Goff, after a Chargers touchdown drive, responded by completing his next six passes to set up Sam Ficken’s 46-yard field goal on the final play of the first half.

    “This guy’s a total stud,” McVay said of Goff after exiting the locker room long after the game. “I think people don’t realize how calm he is. On the touchdown to Cooper he has four guys on him, two guys practically hanging on him, and he makes a play. He’s fearless, man. It’s hard enough to make plays in rhythm, and when things look the way you want them to look. But when things break down and he can still keep plays alive and make big-time throws… well, that’s a whole different level of good.”

    It’s early — and the Rams have the sure-to-be-peeved-in-the-wake-of-a-brutal-home-loss-to-Buffalo Minnesota Vikings coming to town for a stiff Thursday Night Football test — but McVay’s offense, the league’s best in 2017, appears to be even better this year.

    On Sunday, Goff and friends put up 521 yards of offense, the most by a Rams team since an overtime game in 2006 — and the most in four quarters of football since 2000, the heart of the Greatest Show On Turf era. Additionally, L.A. had 33 first downs, the most by any NFL team since the Saints midway through the 2015 season.

    Goff became the third quarterback in league history to complete consecutive games with at least 350 passing yards and a completion percentage of 75 or above. And the Rams, not coincidentally, are 3-0 for the first time since 2001.

    So yeah, the system is tremendous. Goff, however, is far more than a nondescript administrator.

    “That dude’s a freaking monster,” said Russell Okung, the Chargers’ veteran left tackle. “And I think what makes him a monster is he’s incredibly consistent. Consistent players do the best in this league. You know what to expect every time. He takes the easy throws when they’re there, and then when he does go over the top, those (receivers) make plays.

    “In this league, that’s a winning formula. Don’t give me the flashy guy; give me the guy who you can depend on every time.”

    Right now, the metaphorical flashbulbs seem to be focused on a slew of other prolific and promising young quarterbacks, from Patrick Mahomes, to Carson Wentz, to Deshaun Watson — and to Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold and the other members of the current rookie class.

    Goff, for whatever reason, seems to get lost in the wash, even as he cleans up in Tinseltown.

    “People don’t talk about him,” said Andrew Whitworth, the Rams’ All-Pro left tackle. “From the start, people were saying he was overdrafted, and now I think they’re sitting there waiting for the opportunity to say that maybe they were right. Yet he’s done nothing but continue to prove them wrong, and he’s getting better and better.

    “You feel the command, and his poise is what blows you away. Week after week; good play, bad play; he comes back, explains to us what happened and tells us what we need to do next. He can literally communicate so calmly in the moment, and it’s mind-blowing how relaxed he is on the football field.”

    Not surprisingly, Goff had a relaxed response to the notion that he’s getting less hype than some of his contemporaries.

    “No idea,” he replied. “Look — with a great running back (Todd Gurley, who ran for 105 yards and a touchdown Sunday) and a really good defense, that can happen. I don’t know if they’re talking about me. I also don’t care. If we’re 3-0, it’s all good.”

    Moments after McVay’s Range Rover pulled away from the Coliseum on Sunday evening, Goff’s mother, Nancy, took her son’s indifference a step further.

    “We love it,” she said of the relative lack of attention her son’s exploits are generating. “That’s the best– because then you can sneak through the back door. The worst is when they do the whole ‘Mr. Perfect’ thing, like (when Goff was a Cal junior) before (the Golden Bears played) Utah — and then, five interceptions. Right now it’s quiet, and we’re winning, and it couldn’t be better. This is exactly where he wants to be.”

    Soon Jared emerged from the locker room, and he and his parents headed out in the L.A. twilight. Nobody followed. Rest assured, they like it that way

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    The Rams’ New Wrinkle, and Why the NFC West Might Already Be Won

    The offense has opponents playing on their heels, and the defense is more than holding up its end of the bargain through three season-opening wins. Things will get tougher for the Rams, but with the 49ers losing their quarterback, the Seahawks trying to find their way and the Cardinals flopping, those challenges probably won’t come from within the division

    ANDY BENOIT

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/24/los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-jared-goff-nfc-west-jimmy-garoppolo-knee-injury-acl?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&__twitter_impression=true

    Right around kickoff in their Battle for Los Angeles against the Chargers, the Rams unofficially clinched the NFC West. It happened the moment when, 1,600 miles east in Kansas City, 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo planted his left foot and lowered his shoulder along the sideline at the end of a scramble, his left knee buckling; the fear is a torn ACL. The Niners, regarded as the Rams’ greatest challenger entering this season, had also lost their second most important offensive player, tailback Jerick McKinnon, to a similar injury in a late summer practice. Now they’re a team with few skill position weapons, an improving but work-in-progress defense and no quarterback. See you in 2019.

    Don’t say this to Sean McVay, though. Prior to the season, he and I were discussing the NFC West teams. He lauded the Niners and Cardinals, and when I absentmindedly dismissed the Seahawks as a rebuilding team trending in the wrong direction, I got admonished. “Any team that has Russell Wilson you have to consider dangerous,” he said.

    O.K., fair enough. But Seattle’s offense has always been a week-to-week proposition and, now, so is the defense. It hammered a downtrodden Cowboys offense on Sunday, but for this season’s long-term, there remain major concerns about the pass rush and secondary. And even greater concerns pock a now 0-3 Cardinals team that is averaging 6.7 points per game and just coughed up a two-touchdown lead to the Bears at home.

    During McVay’s first offseason as the Rams head coach, people would ask him how he was liking his new job. His answer was always: “Couldn’t be better—we’re still undefeated.” Then he’d smile. But this past offseason, his stock answer reversed. At any mention of his team—and especially its litany of headline-generating moves—he quickly said, with no smile, “We haven’t won a game.”

    With the 35-23 handling of the Chargers on Sunday, they’ve now won their first three. Their offense, which has gained a year of experience in McVay’s scheme plus an elite playmaker in wideout Brandin Cooks, looks even more dangerous than the one that led the league in scoring last year. It’s certainly more innovative. McVay and his staff have discovered the power of jet-action. More than any team now, the Rams put a receiver in fast motion before and/or during the snap. One defensive coach told me this offseason that dealing with jet-action is “an absolute bitch.” At least half a dozen other defensive coaches echoed this. Jet-action messes with a defense’s gap assignments. McVay builds run and pass plays that exploit this. And to ensure the defense keeps reacting with its gap assignments, he regularly hands the ball to the jet motion man. Wideouts Cooks, Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods all have multiple carries this year.

    Right now, defenses don’t have an answer for it—just like they didn’t have an answer last year for L.A.’s play-action game, which remains strong. Constantly facing defenders who are put in assignment conflicts, Jared Goff, somewhat quietly, is becoming one of the NFL’s most proficient QBs. He’s completing 70.3% of his passes and averaging 9.32 yards per attempt, with a passer rating 111.0. Maybe he is a system QB. But sharply orchestrating the smartest system in football makes you a bona fide star.

    On film, Goff appears to be dripping with confidence. He’s become more patient working into his progressions, waiting the extra half-beat to let second-window throws unfold. Against zone coverage, he’s throwing to spots, trusting that a receiver (and, also, not a defender) will be there. Against man, he’s throwing with pinpoint accuracy to defeat even the tightest coverage. (As John Madden used to say in one of his video game’s automated voiceovers, “There’s no defense for a perfect throw.”) Playing with this mix of aggression and patience requires a quarterback to make throws with defenders in his face—something Goff did willingly, but too often ineffectively, his first two seasons. Now, he’s become adroit here, using his 6′ 4″ frame and high release point to make contested throws look easy.

    McVay is aware that his young team has not yet faced much adversity. It stayed healthy last year, performed well on the road (even on cross-country and international trips), handily won a bunch of Sunday afternoon games and played in a distracted city that’s still rediscovering its passion for pro football. The Rams shrunk a bit in the bright lights of the playoffs, losing at home to the Falcons, but by then outsiders had already declared their season a roaring success.

    Things will get harder. They have to. Maybe even as soon as this week. Star corners Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib left Sunday’s win with injuries. Either or both could be unavailable Thursday night against a Vikings team that boasts two of football’s best wideouts, Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs. Those Vikings, despite their embarrassing no-show against an untalented but impressively tenacious Bills team on Sunday, have the defense best equipped to contest with this high-flying Rams offense. The showdown, being FOX’s first Thursday Night game, will be hyped. The Vikings have played regular season contests on such stages before. The Rams have not.

    Adversity could be on the immediate horizon. Still, it’s nothing compared to the type of adversity that comes from having a rebuilding offense, or a retooling defense. Or, certainly, from having an injured quarterback. In 2012, the Broncos won the AFC West by a whopping six games. In 2015, the Panthers won the NFC South by seven games. In 2007, the undefeated Patriots won their division essentially two times over, finishing nine games ahead of the second-place Bills. The Rams, with some help from the NFC West, are positioned to join this group of dominators.

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    Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore on the biggest NFC West threat, Sunday’s Coliseum crowd, Jared Goff’s critics

    Alex S.How do the Rams feel in division after the thumping of AZ?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Alex S. Good. But no one is focused on what they’ve done. Sounds like a cliche but it’s about what’s ahead. Two tough games looming

    robert S.Are the 49ers the only nfc west team that is even a threat this yr? Az looked bad as did Seattle,last night?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Barring any injuries, yes. And I question just how big a threat they really are, to be honest. The Rams are a very, very good football team. It’s going to take a max effort from the other team and breakdowns on their part to get them this year. That can and probably will happen at some point. But you better be ready to take advantage

    Cesar C.Any update on Ogbonnia Okoronkwo ? I’m not sure if anyone asked yet, I’m just excited to see him rush QBs

    Cesar C.And yes, i copied and pasted his name

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. working off to the side during practice. We’ll see where he’s at when he’s eligible to come off IR. But could be a redshirt year for him

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. No explanation needed!!! Ha

    Andy H.What’s the consensus across the NFL about Goff? The local guys have been killing him with their hot takes. Thanks!

    Vincent Bonsignore @Andy H. Mostly good. But there are some people who stupidly and prematurely went out on a limb on him early and haven’t brought themselves to come around yet. But the people who know, know.

    robert S.I have seen theories and studies that say it is better to go for 2 after every td. Any way McVay does that since it worked last week?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I’m going to ask this week. Jared told me: “It’s basically just another short yardage play.” He didn’t even know where exactly the ball was lined up – the 2 or the 3. But they certainly showed they can go get those two when needed

    Cesar C.I can’t see the games here in Chicago other then the nationally televised games, but is Kelly getting any touches? He ran hard in preseason. I’m curious to see what he could do with the first unit. I thought he would get an extended look when Gurley left against Arizona

    Vincent Bonsignore @Cesar C. He hasn’t been on active roster yet for a game. Keep in mind blocking is hugely important at that position – especially on third downs as Todd and Malcolm show – so he could be going through a learning curve on that end. They like him a lot, though. Just need to be patient.

    Rick P.Any news on a permanent training facility/home office?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Rick P. Nothing new. But I’d imagine by this time next year we’ll have clarity, if not sooner

    Jed K.
    How is Sam Ficken’s range? I saw him hitting a 65-yarder on his Instagram. That was just during practice though. What would be a realistic range during game time?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Jed K. I’d say 55

    Vincent Bonsignore And that is pushing it

    tim S.
    Do you think the Rams could/should sign Blythe to a team friendly extension? Also, would Sam Shields be given a big workload if anything happened to Peters or Talib?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @tim S. He’s under contract through 2019. So no need just yet

    Benjamin M.Has anything in practice, or in offensive focus changed since LaFleur left?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Benjamin M. No, not really. With or without him there were going to be new wrinkles, add ons, this year

    robert S.
    Charger game is first real test. What is the plan to stop Phillip Rivers? Without Bosa rams can probably score but Rivers is a gunslinger and will take chances. And he has decent receivers

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. I agree. Chargers have a lot of talent and present a host of issues on both sides of the ball. Marcus Peters has Rivers’ #, so we’ll see if that continues

    Christopher W.
    Obviously this isn’t your call to make, but can you think of any reason the Rams elect to start Brown over Blythe, outside of injury?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Christopher W. If they earnestly feel he’s the best option, then he gets the nod. That’s how it always has to work.

    robert S.
    Any chance rams can go 16-0? They would probably be favored against any team now

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. Always a chance. But man…..that’s hard to do

    Robert A.
    The rams seem a bit then at back up wide receiver with both Cooper and Thomas on IR. Any chance Hodge gets called up?
    If not, who replaced Thomas on special teams?

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Robert A. I expect more moves between now and tomorrow and yes, WR is a position I’m keeping an eye on

    Robert A.
    Any news on Barron, hoping he is ready to go for the vikings game. We could definitely use him in that one.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Robert A. Week to week proposition

    robert S.
    A note of caution. Rams started 1969 season 11-0, then lost the final 3 games to Minnesota, Detroit and Baltimore Colts. Then lost heartbreaker of a playoff game to vikes. We gotta keep it uo

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Yes you have to play through the finish line

    Talfourd K.
    I saw M. Christian had 30 snaps on D against Cardinals. I have not watched the tape to track him, but does that mean he is essentially playing Mark Barron’s role at ILB? I’d love to hear more about how Wade is working him in . I saw Robey had 29 snaps, so it would seem we played a lot of D with 3 CB’s and either 3 S’s or, again, Christian as an ILB.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Talfourd K. Yes they bring him in as a hybrid LB/S who can run support nut also cover.

    robert S.
    Why isn’t Roman Gabriel’s #18 retired? I love Kupp but it bothers me to see him wear it. Roman was mvp in 1969 and was a dominant qb as well as my childhood favorite. My dad took me to Coliseum in 1969 for my first game as an 11 yr old and was in awe of Romam

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. Not sure why. But at this point, it would be hard to justify taking it off Cooper.

    robert S.Do you ever hear from any st Louis reporters? Most said rams were hopeless. Now what do they say?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I have not heard from any of them. I mean, it was hard to see all this coming after 2016. But the Rams felt very strongly in Goff and McVay. It probably happened quicker than even they expected. But they felt they’d get here with those two as the lynchpins and Los Angeles as the backdrop.

    Talfourd K.
    Per your point about Kelly and blocking, both Gurley and Malcom had a few dominant blocks against the Cardinals that I saw on Twitter.

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @Talfourd K. I wanna say Todd was darn near perfect on pass blocks last year. He’s really good at it. And Malcolm is solid across the board. Very reliable backup.

    robert S.
    Vinny would you take the rams and give up 6.5 pts? No hemming and hawing!

    Vincent Bonsignore
    @robert S. I do think they win by more than a TD

    Rahim A.How’s Everett coming along. Are their still some health issues going on. Also was there anything linking Rams and Josh Gordon. Did FO put any feelers out?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Rahim A. Getting better and working his way back by the day. I expect him to be a bigger part of the game plan moving forward.

    robert S.How long will Ficken be with the team?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Until Greg is fully healthy

    Kolby M.Might be completely off topic but is there any updates on Okoronkwo? Another weapon coming off the edge would be nice since Ebukam looks like he’s taken a couple steps this year

    Vincent Bonsignore @Kolby M. He works to the side every day. We’ll see when he’s eligible to come off the IR. But might be looking at a redshirt year for him

    leslie C.Great win by the rams, however it seems injuries to the back up wrs may be a concern. Do the rams activate someone from the practice squad or keep 4? Do they have a wr who could fill in at either slot or on then outside?

    Vincent Bonsignore @leslie C. I think they are comfortable with the four they have for now

    robert S.Vinny do you think rams r satisfied with backup qb? Heard a lot in preseason. I don’t have confidence in Mannion. Rg3 anyone?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Yes, kind of. But confidence has a lot to do with belief that DSean McVay will coach the back-up up and put him in good position

    Tom T.Vinny, are the Rams tight ends out of favor or is this part of Sean McVay’s plan to alter his play calling this season?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Not at all. Gerald has been working his way back from a shoulder injury, so he fell behind a little bit. He showed what he can do on Sunday. Plus, it’s tough getting them out of 11 personnel. They are so good out of it

    V S.The team chemistry seems very strong. A lot of big names putting egos aside. How much of that is coming from respect for coaches? What could cause the chemistry to breakdown? How much do players appreciate things like the day off last week and being treated like adults?

    Vincent Bonsignore @V S. It’s partly the coaches but it’s also reflective of how smart this team is. It kind of reminds me of some of the Lakers teams I covered – Fox, Fisher, Kobe, later Pau. Super, super smart.

    robert S.Also expected to see Mannion and reserved maybe midway thru 4th qtr Sunday. Why risk injury when game is in hand?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. Those are always tough calls when to bring a guy in and what purpose it really serves

    Tom T.Is Jim Hill the “Helen Thomas” of the Rams Press Corps? He seems to ask the first question in every press conference.

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Always!!!!!!!

    Tom T.Watching the Bears on MNF last night. It was interesting seeing all the jet sweeps and even a touchdown on a shovel pass. It looked very Rams-like. Do Nagy and McVay have any
    connection?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Tom T. Reid, Andy.

    Vincent Bonsignore Nagy is a longtime Reid guy.

    Mayumi S.What do you think about Goff’s accuracy?
    I think he should hit the TD PASS to Woods. His long passes are quite overthrown. Should be adjusted soon?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Mayumi S. Excellent accuracy. Excellent vision. He just rushed the throw on Woods, I don’t read anything into that. Don’t agree on the overthrows. He puts it there

    Ryan M.You do you think the best edge rusher is other than Ebukam? I havent been as impressed by Easley as some writers are. Who do you think takes the majority of snaps at OLB opposite of Ebukam?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Ryan M. As a standup rusher, yes, Easley is showing up pretty well. Franklin-Myers is pretty good out of a stance as a rotation guy. He’s got a nice natural rush skill set.

    robert S.There are very few charger fans around here yet. I would expect that the crowd this week will be 90% plus ram fans. Thoughts?

    Vincent Bonsignore @robert S. I think there will be more Chargers fans then you might think. Keep in mind, the prices to StubHub are very high because of the lack of seats. A Chargers fan who won’t pay that price at StubHub might be ok with paying less to see them at the much bigger coliseum

    Matt Y.Hey Vinny, I have a couple questions for you. Is Wade looking to coach for a few more years? Are the Rams grooming someone on staff to learn from him and replace him eventually. Also, any word on the naming rights for the stadium? Farmer’s Field seemed like a thing for a couple years and ground was never even broken. I’m surprised a sponsor hasn’t jumped at the chance to get a couple years of publicity during construction.

    Vincent Bonsignore @Matt Y. 1: Wade hasn’t indicated anything about wanting to step down any time soon. But at his age, it won’t be a surprise whenever he does announce he’s stepping down or planning to. Aubrey Pleasant is someone they really like. Joe Barry – their LB coach – is a former defensive coordinator. So there are candidates on staff. 3. They are sorting through various offers. I’m told no shortage of interested companies looking to come on board. I expect it to break reacords

    Daniel R.How have ticket sales gone for this sunday? Last weekend was surprisingly very full and mostly rams fans. I’m guessing near capacity for this weekend?

    Vincent Bonsignore @Daniel R. I expect mid 60,000’s throughout the season. Packers-Eagles will probably get into the 70,000s. Vikings maybe too, although Thursday night might dissuade some people

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    Los Angeles Rams HC Sean McVay

    (On if he’s getting to the point that it’s time to go play)

    “Yeah, you know guys are excited. We’ve got about 48 hours out now, so got to do a good job just kind of resting their minds, resting their bodies, getting ready to go and making sure that we’re ready to go at kick off. It’s going to be a long wait, but we’ve got to be patient and peak at the right time.”

    (On how much practicing this weekend and at night will help on Monday)

    “I think it wIll based on kind of what I’ve learned, but I think the players are best served to answer that. I know that earlier on you know you feel a little bit kind of sluggish and tired and you feel like you’ve adjusted a little bit. But most importantly, this has been for our players and if they’re feeling good, if their bodies are ready to go in and kind of peaking at that time – just based on when we’ve been practicing and how we’ve adjusted things, then that’s kind of the goal of all of this.”

    (On if there’s any update on LB Mark Barron)

    “Yeah, he’s the same status. We listed him as doubtful for the game. So, it’s not looking great, but we’ve still got some time being that it’s a night kickoff and different things like that, so we’ll see. But if he’s not able to go, we’ve got a lot of confidence in those guys that’ll be stepping up and looking forward to seeing them compete, if that’s the case.”

    (On how WR Pharoh Cooper looks as a punt returner and a wide receiver)

    “He’s done a good job. I think one of the things that stood out about (WR) Pharoh (Cooper), really since we got here as a staff and just taking (Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel) Bones’ advice and listening to (General Manager) Les (Snead) and those guys – and I remember even evaluating him coming out of South Carolina – just a good football player. One of those guys that just finds a way to get it done. He’s breaking tackles, working edges on people and he’s gotten better and better as a receiver – he really plays in that slot position for us. But, he can do a lot of different things for you. Then, as a returner, you see the production that he had last year. He’s consistently fielded the ball for us and made good decisions and now really, it’s going to be about translating that into the games where it’s most important. It’s always hard – just based on the way that we’ve practiced teams in some of these settings – practice special teams is what I’m talking about, in these settings. But, he looks like he’s progressing. I think he’s got an ownership of what we’re trying to get done and we expect him to do well again this year.”

    (On if the trainers think they can get Barron to 100% or if they think it’s something that will be week to week)

    “It’s really a tough thing because it’s kind of an uncharted territory in terms of just the way that achilles responds. Sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn’t. Last year, like you mentioned, it kind of flared up based on – I don’t know if it was the weather, there was just the pounding of the games that took a toll on him. But, we all know what a tough competitor Mark is and how much he’s persevered through some of these injuries. But if he’s not able to go, then we’ve got a lot of confidence in (LB) Ramik (Wilson) to be able to step up and do some good things. But, there’s not a tougher person than Mark Barron. So, you know if he’s not able to go, then it’s bothering him.”

    (On if there will be a guy that plays a similar role as Former Rams WR Tavon Austin did last year)

    “Yeah, you’ll have to see on Monday night. We’ll see. Wish nothing but the best for (Cowboys WR) Tavon (Austin). He did give us a different element – being able to do some different things, specific to his skillset. Pharoh’s a guy that definitely provides a similar skillset, things like that, but we’ll see.”

    (On how well DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Aqib Talib and CB Marcus Peters are grasping the new defense)

    “I think they’ve done a great job. One of the things that’s consistent about all three of those guys and really (CB) Sam Shields, you can add him into the mix and Ramik Wilson for that for that – these guys play football. They’ve played a lot of football, so they’ve been exposed to some different systems. Aqib has some history playing under (Defensive Coordinator) Wade (Phillips) in Denver. I think they’ve all got a great feel for the game. They’ve got a understanding of where they fit within the framework of the calls specific to different situations and I think that’s why you see those guys have had such great production throughout their careers. We’re looking forward to seeing them all play together. It’s been good to get (DT) Aaron (Donald) back as well. It’s going to be a great challenge. There’s a lot of things that I know (Head) Coach (Jon) Gruden will do an excellent job presenting from an offensive standpoint. They’ve got a great quarterback in Derek Carr and some elite playmakers to be able to get the ball to, tough offensive line. So, it’s going to be a great challenge and hopefully our guys will be ready to go.”

    (On how much of a challenge it was to come up with new wrinkles for the offense)

    “I think the biggest thing is every year, whether you look at yourself from a self-scout standpoint and you try to make sure that you evolve and you adapt. The league, especially just from a defensive coaching standpoint, they do such a great job of presenting a variety of looks or adjusting based on year-to-year. Some of the trends that inevitably come up within the framework of a season or over the last couple years, so we try to be mindful of that. You know part of that is studying yourself, but then part of that is also not being afraid to study some other people. There’s a lot of really good coaches around this league and in college as well, that we’ve studied some different tape. It’s about if it fits our players. We’re certainly – I’m not afraid to steal a play from somebody if we feel like it fits us. All these plays, I can promise you that not a single play we run we were the first ones to do it. It’s all kind of going back from just adjusting it off of what other people have previously done. That’s why you feel fortunate to have been exposed to a lot of good coaches that teach you and then you try to adjust to your players.”

    (On if he’s planning on watching games tomorrow and if so, does he think he’ll see a lot of plays from the Rams offense being stolen around the league)

    “Well, I don’t think it’s really our offense. I think maybe it’s a couple plays, like I’ve said, that’ve been run before. It wasn’t like we were the first ones to invent it. A lot of the stuff that we’re doing has been a collaboration of our coaching staff. (Run Game Coordinator) Aaron Kromer has great ideas. (Pass Game Coordinator) Shane Waldron, (Quarterbacks Coach) Zac Taylor, (Wide Receiver Coach Eric) Yarber, (Running Backs Coach) Skip Peete – everybody’s contributing to what we’re really trying to get done offensively. It’s been really a unique situation of work with such a great group and let’s figure out how we can adjust to our players. When you’ve got good players like we do, it makes it fun. Definitely want to watch those games – get some stuff done –because I still am a fan. Can’t wait to see some of these guys compete but it’ll feel like probably an eternity sitting around all day on Monday waiting to play. I’m talking to myself as much as anything saying don’t be too early.”

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    Rams Outlook As We Approach Week One…

    1.) Some may not like the fact the first team offense did not see any action all preseason, but the manner in which McVay and his staff did devote the playing time for the preseason contests led to some important depth roles seeing plenty of live snaps which gave the coaching staff and players competing for spots every opportunity to earn their roles. Don’t believe any of the players released can complain they did not get a fair shot to rise on the depth chart.

    2.) Expounding on the topic above, the snaps the first year players received in camp and the preseason contests were invaluable for the 2018 season. Many played above the level that was anticipated when drafted. The play of Noteboom was especially impressive. As was the play of Lawler, Kiser, JFM, and Kelly. Think all four of those talents played as if they were day 2 talents in the draft.

    3) Very anxious to get a look at the 2018 first team offense. The 2017 offense was the beneficiary of being able to catch defenses without a lot of tape to develop their game day plans and schemes. The design of the offense was also heavily influenced by returning talent from the prior regime, as well as Lafluer as the OC and Olsen as the qb coach. The one package the offense executed well under the prior regime, jet sweeps and wr screens, became a weekly staple. The addition of Cooks gives them a talent in these packages who was more productive than any talent Rams had in 17 to execute them.

    Now that we are entering the second season of the McVay era, with McVay adding talent since his arrival that fits his vision for this offense I am very anxious to see the new packages which were influenced by Kromer on the ground and Shane Waldron in the air packages. Assume the misdirection, sweeps and screens remain a staple. You simply do not add a talent like Cooks then remove one of the strengths of his addition.

    4.) With the defense Snead and Company has assembled for Wade, to the NFL I say let them play or put them in dresses and change the entertainment focus to a miss universe contest. Seriously though, this defense has been assembled in a fashion that is both built to defend against the NFL game that is currently being played through the air, but has a yesteryear tenacity with talent that can get after a qb and get into the backfield to blow up runs before they develop. If they do find a seam, we have some new hitters in Kiser, Wilson and some improved returners like Hagar to lay some wood. And lets not forget the tad undersized but extreme thumper that is Mark Barron.

    Staying on the Barron theme, he could be a huge beneficiary if Wade decides to give him the freedom to green dog all season. Barron has the veteran savvy and Wade allowing this would not shock me. With the front four opposing offenses have to concern themselves with that includes two talents inside that require extra attention, Barron could end the day early for all 16 qb’s Rams face in 2018.

    5.) The rb depth canned be summed up in one word, impressive. McVay has options to keep Gurley fresh for the November/December portion of the schedule when pounding the rock becomes imperative.

    Would love to see a Malcolm Brown/Kelly duo develop into a Rocky Bleier role early in the season, closing out 3 score leads in quarter 4, keeping Gurley’s legs fresh so Rams can ride Gurley from November on all the way to the Super Bowl!

    6.) Rams went heavy at Safety both on active roster and PS. Certain Bones tagged a couple talents at key contributors on teams as he seeks to replace the speed needed now that players are prohibited from getting a running start. But with Joyner playing on tag and the Rams resigning the talent they have this offseason, think the preparation for his departure has begun.

    I have an appreciation of the play, hard work and effort of the undersized Joyner, hard not to root for a player of his physical stature who plays much larger on game day. However never got the feel Joyner is the prototypical talent Wade seeks at the Safety position. If someone steps up and gains Wade’s trust on the backend during this season, I would not be shocked if the phasing out does not occur during the 2018 season. One look at the offseason focus of the defense tells us Wade is seeking to improve upon the no fly zone he had in his Denver defense.

    7.) The Rams have also added 2 TE’s to the practice squad in Coble and Hemingway. McVay is being extremely patient with Hemingway’s recovery, hoping he regains the explosiveness McVay saw briefly last camp. If Hemingway does regain that explosiveness look for him to be added to the active roster shortly thereafter. At 246lbs, think McVay would love to add what he could offer in the short yardage packages and sealing the edge assignments in three TE look.

    Think Coble played himself into a position on the PS during camp and the preseason contests. McVay is a huge believer in his ” we improve daily” philosophy and Coble simply showed too much improvement to abandon his development. In fact one has to wonder how tough a decision it was to decide between Mundt and Coble for the third TE on the active roster?

    TE is a position I will be watching closely early in the season. Mundt was pleasant surprise when aligned as the Joker in the preseason, but at only 233, not a lot of beef to serve as the inline and H positions. The number of pass attempts thrown the 3rd TE’s way during the 2017 season could be counted on one hand. Anxious to see who McVay/Kromer has targeted to serve blocking specialist from the position in 2018. Could we actually see the 6 olineman packages McVay was known to use during his tenure in Washington?

    8.) During his college career Jared Goff improved each and every season. In 2017 there was a lot of national hoopla made over McVay calling the plays for Goff from the sidelines. In season two under McVay I expect Goff to have developed a full understanding of the McVay offensive concepts resulting in increased precision.

    Often these improvements cannot be visualized by the naked eye, but reduction of fractional seconds in play execution can be large on game day. The opponents best pass rusher cannot disrupt, the second/ third reads recognized more rapidly, the spots on the field where the ball needs to be delivered become second nature, the game slows allowing for recognition of previously unseen opportunities (back shoulder throws etc..)

    In order for the Rams all in philosophy of the front office for the 2018 season to be a success, we need for Goff to take these steps forward, with his amount of growth equaling the growth he displayed each season during his college career.

    One of the areas I will be watching early in the season is Goff’s growth when is called upon to roll left. A new wrinkle in his 2017 play as I believe I can state factually Goff was never called upon to execute a roll left during his short tenure under Fisher (at least not in live gameday action). Goff showed improvement in this area as the 2017 season progressed, but now has had a full offseason to improve his footwork on this design. The roll left is an important part of McVay’s dual TE packages.

    9.) My apologies for the length of this thread but I simply cannot end this thread without giving credit to the entire Rams Front Office responsible for the Football Operations. Les Snead and company are hot at the moment and longtime fans of the organization should relish the work being done not only in the scouting and selection of talent from the college ranks but also on the professional side, scouting the talent to be free agents or made available via trade etc..

    The just concluded draft was especially impressive. The talent the Rams were able to add to the roster without having a day one selection could be the most important of all drafts towards the assembling of a dynasty. Very important pieces in completing a roster filled with star talent and star level cap hits.

    GO RAMS!!

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    Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
    Trade official, source tells ESPN:

    Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.

    Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.

    So Bears get back second-round pick, too

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    Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN
    No logical reason for #raiders to make this “football” move. No salary cap reason either. This has to be a cash issue. You do not let guys like @52Mack_ out the door. Their loss is #bears gain. 🤷🏾‍♂️

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    People are lazily making it seem like #Raiders decided they’re better off w/o Mack. They decided they’re better off w/o Mack at the number his demands rose to & what meeting it would have meant to ability to build a balanced roster.

    My sense: Mack/camp were always going to wait out Donald’s situation before getting serious. It was the benefit of Mack making $14m to Donald’s $7m this year. Better position to be patient

    Aaron Donald deal changed dynamics. Raiders could have met/topped, but ultimately decided adding 2 1sts/spreading Mack money around was wiser approach

    #Raiders decided they’re better off moving Mack at that # for draft capital & better financial flexibility to construct that balanced roster. No guarantees picks pan out. But also no guarantee you can build a consistent contender while devoting so much cap space to a LB

    they’ve always been willing to make him highest paid defensive player of all time. But that threshold moved to another level with Donald deal. Topping that new number wasn’t prudent in #Raiders eyes compared to the draft capitol and $$ flexibility gained in trade

    #Rams are in a different place roster wise. It’s just a better roster across the board with more cost-certainty moving forward.

    It helps #Bears had the cap space to meet Mack’s demands and the willingness to give up two first round picks. That situation may never have presented itself to #Raiders again

    Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
    “Two first rounders is too much to pay for Mack”

    Ok… would you trade the last two first rounders your team picked for him?

    99% of you would say yes

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    Jim Trotter@JimTrotter_NFL
    Going forward, each time I hear Gruden say he wants players who have great character and talent, who don’t miss games, who are bad-asses on the field but gentlemen off it, who are great teammates and leaders, I’m going to post a picture of Khalil Mack.

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    Dan Wiederer@danwiederer
    When Matt Nagy gathered his team Friday for an important announcement, one player shouted from the back: “Have we all just been traded for Khalil Mack?”

    Prince Amukamara: “It was awesome. I was cracking up.”

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Trying to envision what my life would be like right now if the Rams had traded Aaron Donald for two first-round picks. It’s not a pleasant thought.

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    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Who woke up happier than Sean McVay? Aaron Donald is back for the Rams, and Khalil Mack is gone from Raiders.

    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    It’s hard to reach an agreement when refusing to negotiate with Khalil Mack’s agent.

    Joey Bosa has the same agents as Aaron Donald. He’s eligible for a new contract after the 2018 regular season ends. If the Chargers wait until 2020 when he’s in his option year, more than $25M per year & over $100M in guarantees wouldn’t be a surprise.

    Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
    One observation that stood out to me after Aaron Donald signed yesterday: Sean McVay, a giddy kid earlier in the week after he learned Donald’s deal was close, returned to football-only mode. He was a freight train in motion, geared toward Oakland.

    Aaron Donald took a brief pause Friday when talking to reporters about what his six-year, $135 million contract extension meant to him and his family. Donald said when he started in the NFL he never imagined he’d one day become the highest-paid defensive player in league history. “My ultimate goal was always to make it to this point and be able to retire my mom and dad,” Donald said. “So, to have an opportunity to call them and tell them that they don’t have to work another day in their life, that was the best feeling ever to me. So, thinking about it I get a little emotional. My mom and dad are just happy. Told them they can just relax, it’s on me now. So, like I said, God is good and I’m just blessed

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    Three-and-out. #LARams

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    In reply to: on the Donald talks

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    from The five players still holding out and the dynamics of each situation
    Here’s what’s likely in store for Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Earl Thomas, Roquan Smith and Le’Veon Bell

    Joel Corry (former sports agent, NFL contracts and salary cap expert for CBS sports)

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-the-five-players-still-holding-out-and-the-dynamics-of-each-situation/

    Holdout dynamics

    A holdout is ultimately a test of both sides’ resolve. Once a player misses the beginning of training camp, there usually isn’t much dialogue between a player’s agent and the team early on when there is a contract impasse. Teams typically approach a holdout as if the player is injured, look for replacements at his position either internally or from available free agents and evaluate how the team performs with him absent.
    Most holdouts don’t mind missing the daily grind of training camp but as the regular season gets closer, a player may start having second thoughts about his decision. If meaningful dialogue on a new contract resumes, it may not be until the middle of the preseason. There were hardly any conversations with the Buccaneers during most of McCardell’s holdout because both sides were firmly entrenched in their positions.
    Savvy teams will refrain from talking to the media about the player, besides an obligatory statement about being unwilling to publicly comment on a player who isn’t in training camp or that the player’s contributions are valued and welcome him returning to the team when he is ready to honor his contract. In most cases, fans don’t take a player’s side in a contract dispute with a team. The public has difficulty relating to a player being unhappy with what is a lucrative contract in their eyes or rejecting a substantial offer. Unusual circumstances are required for public sentiment to be with the player.
    A major obstacle a player must overcome is a team’s concern about establishing a precedent of giving into a player’s demands for a new contract through a holdout. Although teams should be able to easily make distinctions based on each player’s particular circumstances, they don’t want to send a signal to the other team members that they could get rewarded by holding the team hostage. This is especially the case when there is a new owner, or new general manager or new head coach with a hands-off owner. Along those lines, some teams have a philosophy that meaningful dialogue about a new contract won’t occur while the player is a holdout.
    Prominent players at impact positions have the best chance of success provided they remain patient and give the impression that they are willing to continue their absence into the regular season. Once a player decides to end an unsuccessful holdout, some teams will reduce the fines accumulated as a gesture of goodwill, especially with a player who is one of the most important players on the team or a veteran that commands a lot of respect among his teammates. The Rams waived Donald’s training-camp fines, didn’t recover his signing bonus they were entitled to collect and opted against voiding his contract guarantees with last year’s holdout.
    The longer a holdout drags on, the more of a distraction it can become with coaches and teammates being constantly asked about it by the media before and after games and practices. It also helps to be on playoff contenders/teams with Super Bowl aspirations or teams where the head coach or general manager is on the hot seat. Pressure may be put on ownership to do whatever it takes to get the player back into the fold as the regular season approaches. Smith’s holdout was aided by Jacksonville’s first-team offense struggling to move the football without him (16 punts in 17 offensive possessions).

    Aaron Donald, DL, Rams

    Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff has characterized the contract standoff the Rams are having with Donald for a second-straight year as a fundamental disagreement on value. General manager Les Snead painted a rosier picture Wednesday when talking to a group of reporters at the team’s hotel in Baltimore, where the Rams play their first preseason game on Thursday. He said the parties are in the same “zip code.”
    The Rams are reportedly willing to make Donald the NFL’s highest-paid defensive player (which is currently Broncos linebacker Von Miller at $19,083,333 per year and $70 million in overall guarantees) and a charter member of the $20 million-per-year non-quarterback club. It is my understanding that at least restoring the traditional financial relationship between the highest-paid quarterback and non-quarterback, which existed under the current CBA before salaries for passers dramatically increased over the last year, is important to Donald’s camp. A deal averaging more than $23 million per year with $85 million in guarantees where $65 million to $70 million fully guaranteed at signing would recreate the balance.
    Snead’s comments are encouraging for a long-term resolution before the Rams’ regular-season opener against the Raiders on Sept. 10. The Rams’ Super Bowl aspirations would be likely diminished without the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year’s services.
    The Rams won the battle in a contest of wills when Donald ended his lengthy holdout last year without getting a new contract. If history repeats itself because talks breakdown where Donald plays out his rookie contract, he won’t have to worry about not qualifying for unrestricted free agency. From a practical standpoint, the Rams would use a franchise tag on Donald in lieu of a giving him a first-round restricted free agent of tender of $7,581,200 at a 10 percent of this year’s salary. The first-round pick compensation for Donald as a restricted free agent wouldn’t be enough to deter another team from signing a player of his magnitude to an offer sheet with a player-friendly structure and money that could make the Rams uncomfortable. The same risks wouldn’t exist with a non-exclusive franchise tag requiring two first-round picks as compensation for an unmatched offer sheet.

    Khalil Mack, DE, Raiders

    NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport reported during his recent visit to Oakland’s training camp that there haven’t been contract discussions since February and the Raiders don’t currently have an offer on the table for their best player. General manager Reggie McKenzie refused to negotiate with left tackle Donald Penn last year while he was holding out. Penn signed a new deal shortly after ending his holdout. The lack of any negotiations for such an extended period of time don’t suggest that Oakland would be willing to take a similar approach with 2016’s NFL Defensive Player of the Year if he reported to camp.
    Mack’s agent, Joel Segal, has also demonstrated an ability to play hardball. He navigated running back Chris Johnson through a successful holdout in 2011 that lasted until the Titans gave his client a four-year, $53.975 million contract extension in early September.
    Mack ending his holdout before Donald would be surprising since a new Donald deal should serve as a baseline once negotiations eventually resume. It’s fair to wonder whether the Raiders will be able to afford Mack, provided a Donald deal brings more clarity to the marketplace since a more concerted effort hasn’t been made to sign him and Mark Davis is reportedly among the NFL’s most cash-poor team owners. If the intel I received on Gruden still holds true, he probably wouldn’t relish having to deal with a disgruntled Mack playing on his fifth-year option.
    Mack’s situation could have some residual effects. Segal also represents 2015 fourth-overall pick Amari Cooper. A bounce-back season by Cooper will put Segal in position to demand top wide receiver money for him. Segal is also 2016 first-round pick Karl Joseph’s agent.

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    Nittany you’re in the medical industry.

    How accurate a picture is that?

    ..

    It’s an accurate depiction of the direction US healthcare is going.

    I’m on several committees at the hospital in which I work and everything we do is geared towards patient satisfaction.

    My wife is a physician. She pointed the article out to me. Her pay is directly tied to patient satisfaction. Her performance can be reviewed by patients after their visit. She’s actually rated by the number of stars she receives, where the patient can give her 1 to 5 stars depending on their level of satisfaction. On the surface this doesn’t seem like a bad thing, but the problem is that what makes the patient happy might not be what’s in the patient’s best interest. For example, when patients feel sick, they want an antibiotic. An antibiotic may not be warranted, but it doesn’t matter, if the patient doesn’t receive an antibiotic, the physician might get a bad rating. So the physician is under pressure to prescribe an unnecessary drug. Physicians know the ramifications of improperly used antibiotics (increased resistance) and are cautioned by their employers not to prescribe them when not necessary, but at the same time the employer is going to base the physician’s job performance, salary, and even employment on patient satisfaction. It puts be physician in a no-win situation. And this is just one example.

    Of course, the bottom line is, the patient may not be receiving the best possible care.

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    A doctor’s take on one of the problems with healthcare in the US.

    Link: https://opmed.doximity.com/death-by-patient-satisfaction-169e6c21887d

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    Bucky Brooks

    from http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000941322/article/earl-thomas-potential-landing-spots-darrelle-revis-true-legacy?campaign=Twitter_atn

    Explaining the Rams’ decision to immediately lock up Cooks.

    Much to the surprise of Rams fans patiently waiting for the team to lock up reigning Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald on a blockbuster deal, Los Angeles just inked newcomer Brandin Cooks to a five-year, $81 million contract extension before he’s even taken a snap for the team.

    “Brandin Cooks has shown himself to be a class act on and off the field since the first day he joined our team,” head coach Sean McVay said in a statement. “He’s a proven professional in this league and signing him to a long-term contract was always our goal.”

    Wow!

    My surprise isn’t a dismissal of Cooks’ talents as a frontline receiver, but I’m a little shocked his new team made such a hefty commitment before his debut season in L.A. Despite racking up three 1,000-yard campaigns and 27 touchdowns — while averaging 14.1 yards per catch — during his first four NFL seasons, Cooks hasn’t put up a yard for the Rams. We aren’t exactly sure how he’ll fit into this scheme, which has already posted big numbers without a household name on the perimeter. Now, that’s not a slight to Robert Woods or Cooper Kupp, but neither is necessarily regarded as an A-level playmaker. The team’s passing game is more systematic than player-driven.

    That said, the system does call for a speed receiver with fine route-running ability and catch-and-run skills. After Sammy Watkins’ departure, the team needed a long-term solution in this area. That’s ultimately why the Rams valued Cooks at a premium, despite only having seen him perform in offseason workouts.

    “Cooks is a more complete player than Watkins,” a Rams official told me. “He is a better route runner and he has a little more position flexibility. … He gives us an opportunity to create more mismatches on the perimeter. That should lead to more points.”

    To that point, Cooks has been miscast by some observers as a one-trick (field-stretching) pony. When I look at the tape, I see a legitimate WR1 with big-time playmaking ability in an offensive scheme with a history of elevating playmakers (see: DeSean Jackson under McVay in Washington). Cooks has 20 receptions of 40-plus yards in his brief career, including 18 over the past three seasons. That’s the kind of production that catches defensive coordinators’ attention and leads to fewer defenders in the box. Great news for Todd Gurley. In addition, Cooks’ presence on the perimeter should prevent opponents from squeezing Woods and Kupp with exotic coverage tactics. This will enable Jared Goff to continue stringing together completions on easy throws to his No. 2 and No. 3 receivers at short and intermediate range.

    But how do the Rams plan to negotiate with Gurley and Donald after tossing this chunk o’ change at Cooks? Well, remember, the Rams have a Pro Bowl quarterback playing on a cheap rookie deal, which frees up significant cap dollars to lock up emerging stars on the team.

    As the Rams look to dominate the NFC with their version of the “Big Three” (Goff, Gurley and Cooks), the decision to immediately lock up their new pass catcher could prove to be quite a wise investment when we look back at the move in a few years.

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    Matt Waldman’s RSP NFL Lens: Rams WR Josh Reynolds is Still Worth Your Attention

    MATT WALDMAN

    link: https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2018/07/03/matt-waldmans-rsp-nfl-lens-rams-wr-josh-reynolds-is-still-worth-your-attention/

    Matt Waldman’s Rookie Scouting Portfolio still believes that second-year Rams receiver Josh Reynolds is a talent that will blossom into an NFL starter.

    As with any segment of life involving human beings, you have to account for fickle and impatient behavior from sports fans. If the player isn’t good immediately, something must be wrong with him. If something is wrong with him, it’s easier to write him off than having even the slightest emotional or intellectual investment to keep tabs on his development with an open mind.

    Robert Woods was “just a guy” in Buffalo until he wasn’t last year in Los Angeles. Emmanuel Sanders was an athletic reserve who might contribute low-end starter production in an offense loaded with talent until he went to Denver and earned 256 receptions, 2,571 yards, and 20 touchdowns in 3 years.

    Marvin Jones earned 18 receptions for 201 yards and a touchdown as a rookie. Antonio Brown earned 16 catches for 167 yards and didn’t score a touchdown as a rookie. Mike Wallace was the talk of Pittsburgh and even fellow rookie Sanders out-played Brown.

    Josh Reynolds had 11 receptions for 104 yards and a touchdown as a rookie. His most impressive play last year didn’t even happen during the regular season:

    It may not count, but plays like these are evidence worth filing away in the mental Rolodex. So should the fact that later in the same drive, Reynolds beat single coverage up the left sideline for a touchdown a go route.

    Brandin Cooks, Robert Woods, and Cooper Kupp will start for the Rams in 2018. However, Los Angeles still has plans for Reynold’s future. Although Kupp has some red-zone chops, Reynolds has the best skillset to replace Sammy Watkins on fades and slants in this area of the field. Cooks has proven that this is not his game.

    Expect Reynolds to earn excellent matchups in four-receiver sets as well as red zone sub-package opportunities. He may not deliver starter production in 2018, but he’ll continue flashing starter potential.

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    The Many Problems With ‘Moneyball’

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/09/the-many-problems-with-moneyball/245769/

    Michael Lewis’s book-turned-movie made a legend out of Oakland A’s general manager Billy Beane. But does his record match the hype?

    The film Moneyball is—just like the 2003 bestseller by Michael Lewis it’s based on—an idealized version of what happened with Billy Beane and the Oakland A’s in the early part of the last decade. Beane is credited with adapting baseball analyst Bill James’s statistical concepts into practical application. James, a lucid and witty writer with a refreshingly iconoclastic view of baseball history, had argued for years that on-base percentage (OBP, which measure a batter’s ability to reach base by hit or walk) was much more significant than mere batting average (BA, which only measures hits). James also stressed the relative value of slugging average (SLG, which measures a batter’s total bases per at-bat) and dismissed the more traditional baseball stats such as stolen bases and bunts.

    James long ago won over the smart guys, in whose ranks this writer regards himself. The cult of professional statisticians that followed in James’s wake came to be known as “sabermatricians” as nearly all of them are members of SABR, the Society for American Baseball research. But a myth has built up around Moneyball the book, a myth largely propagated by the smart guys who want to see their most cherished beliefs about baseball transformed into hard reality. The myth says Beane single-handedly changed the game by recognizing the value of sabermetrics. But the myth doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

    So popular has Moneyball proved since its publication that few have bothered to notice some of its very fundamental flaws. Throughout the book, Lewis makes it clear that he doesn’t understand baseball.

    His first important error is his misunderstanding of the competitiveness of the sport by the end of the 20th century. In the preface to Moneyball he writes, “For more than a decade, the people who run professional baseball have argued that the game was ceasing to be an athletic competition and becoming a financial one. The gap between rich and poor in baseball was far greater than in any other professional sport and widening rapidly.” Lewis is correct if he’s talking about the salaries paid by the richest and poorest teams, but he’s not correct if he’s talking about the competition in the ballparks.

    He writes:

    At the opening of the 2002 season [the year Lewis’s focus is on in Moneyball] the richest team, the New York Yankees, had a payroll of $140 million while the two poorest teams, the Oakland A’s and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, had payrolls less than a third of that, about $40 million. A decade before the highest payroll team, the New York Mets, had spent about $44 million on baseball players, and the lowest based payroll team, the Cleveland Indians, a bit more than $8 million. The growing disparity meant that only the rich teams could afford the best players. A poor team could afford only the maimed and the inept, and was almost certain to fail. Or so argued the people who ran baseball.

    And I was inclined to concede the point. The people with the most money often win.
    From an historical standpoint, Lewis is, well, way off base. By the end of the 20th century baseball had achieved a greater level of competitive balance than at any time in the game’s history. As I noted in my 2002 book, Clearing The Bases, “In the year 2000, for the first time ever, not a single team in baseball history finished above .600 or below .400 … as the twentieth century went on, the difference between the best teams in baseball and the worst teams narrowed, and by the year 2000 it was smaller than at any other time in baseball history.”

    Simply put, in 2000 the average difference between the worst and best teams was 20 percentage points; ten points plus or minus is all that was needed to close the gap between the team with the best record in baseball, the San Francisco Giants at 97-65 for a won-lost percentage of .599, and the worst, the Philadelphia Phillies and Chicago Cubs, tied at 65-97 for a .401 mark. In a bit of irony that Lewis did not notice, the team with the best record in 2000 was a small-market team, the Giants, who were right across the Bay from Oakland, and the two teams with the worst record were from huge markets, Philadelphia and Chicago. (By the way, the small-market Giants won the World Series last year.)
    Competition looked uneven by the year 2000 because the Yankees, an organization shrewdly built on both developing players and buying free agents, had won four World Series from 1996 through 2000. But the Yankees had pretty much dominated baseball since the 1920s. The point is that by the year 2000 many more teams had a chance to make the playoffs, and, as Billy Beane himself was fond of saying, “The postseason is a crapshoot.”

    But Moneyball doesn’t just get the state of present-day baseball wrong; it also misrepresents the history of the sport. Baseball didn’t become a game of “moneyball” in 2002—it has always been a game about, for, and dictated by money.

    Moneyball doesn’t give you a picture of what baseball in general and the Oakland A’s in particular were like before the game entered the era of free agency and before Billy Beane is said to have changed the game. As I wrote in an article for the Wall Street Journal last week, “In the 26 seasons before Beane became general manager of the A’s in 1998, Oakland was the biggest winner in baseball, with six pennants and four World Series victories. The Yankees, by comparison, won five pennants and three World Series over that span.”

    Three of those Oakland pennants—1972, 1973, and 1974—came when the irascible Charles O. Finley was the A’s owner. Finley had few resources but was an amazingly shrewd judge of talent; Marvin Miller, founder of the player’s union, called Finley “absolutely the best judge of baseball talent I’ve ever seen.” Part of Finley’s wisdom was investing whatever money he had in his farm system, particularly the Birmingham A’s of the 1960s, who produced Reggie Jackson, Rollie Fingers, Bert Campaneris, and other mainstays of his later big-league championship teams. Finley whipped the big boys with patience and smarts, beefing up his minor league affiliates at a time when the richer, arrogant Yankees allowed theirs to decay. It can be argued that Finley thrived before the era of free agency, which drove up salaries and made it more difficult for small-market owners to compete. The problem with that is that the A’s had another three-year dynasty after the advent of free agency, from 1988-1990, in which they dominated the American League, going to the World Series for three straight seasons.

    The point is that in baseball there have always been factors that mitigate domination by the richest teams. There’s no denying that the Yankees, Phillies, and Red Sox, with the highest payrolls in baseball, have definite advantages. But the Phillies, though they are the largest single-market team in baseball and don’t share their territory with another major league team (as do the Yankees with the Mets, the Cubs with the White Sox, and the Dodgers with the Angels) were the worst team in either league until the last few years. (When Philadelphia won the World Series in 1980, they were the last of the original 16 teams to win the championship. When they won in 2008 it was only for the second time in the franchise’s history.)
    Injuries, bad luck, front-office stupidity, sentimental weaknesses that result in signing older players to multi-year contracts, and just plain dumb luck have always been among the reasons why just pouring money into a major-league team doesn’t automatically result winning a pennant. And while baseball doesn’t have a salary cap and a fair revenue-sharing program like the National Football League, contrary to Lewis, its free market has produced a fairer system in terms of giving most teams a chance to win than the other major sports.

    However far back you want to take the comparison, from the first Super Bowl in 1967 to the present, or just from the start of the new millennium, baseball has had more different playoff teams and more different champions than professional football.

    The real problem with Moneyball, however, is not Lewis’s failure to understand baseball history. It’s his failure to see what was going on right in front of his and Beane’s eyes in 2002. In their book, The Beauty of Short Hops: How Chance and Circumstance Confound the Moneyball Approach to Baseball, Sheldon Hirsch and Alan Hirsch point out perhaps the biggest hole in Lewis’s analysis. They write that Moneyball

    distorts the reason for Oakland’s success. The team thrived primarily because of superb pitching. During its turn of post-season appearances, the A’s were second to third in the league in fewest runs allowed, whereas in some of these seasons, they finished in the bottom half in runs scored. At the heart of the pitching staff were three dominant starters: Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, and Barry Zito. All three wee early-round draft picks, highly scouted, and well regarded—Mulder and Zito were selected in the top ten of their respective drafts. This was hardly a case of Beane’s spotting sleepers … because of nuanced numbers. Indeed, Michael Lewis does not suggest that sabermetrics had anything to do with Beane drafting the three studs who led Oakland to greatness. Indeed, he virtually ignores them. Lewis devoted a few paragraphs to the Big Three (making the strained claim that Beane appreciated them for quirky reasons), quickly dropping them and transitioning to an entire chapter on … Chad Bradford.
    Bradford was indeed one of Billy Beane’s quirkiest pitchers and one of his most unusual finds. If you saw him pitch, you’d never forget him—his right-handed delivery was so sidearm that some called it “underarm.” Some swore that his knuckles actually grazed the ground. Few teams took Bradford seriously because of his unorthodox delivery, but he proved to be a pretty good relief pitcher with an ERA of 3.26 for 12 seasons.

    “One can understand,” the Hirsches write, “why Lewis, ever the gifted storyteller, devotes more than 40 pages to this relatively anonymous relief pitcher. Which is fine, except that Moneyball implies that Bradford played a crucial role in Oakland’s success. In a typical season, Zito, Mulder and Hudson gave the team more than 650 quality innings and roughly 50 wins, whereas Chad Bradford never won more than seven games and topped at 77 innings. What about saves? Bradford recorded hardly any because Oakland never trusted him to be their closer. In a book ostensibly written to explain a team’s success, Michael Lewis treats three dominant pitchers as an afterthought and obsesses about a pretty good middle-reliever.”
    Alan and Sheldon Hirsch highlight an unfortunate truth about Moneyball, namely that what does not fit Lewis’s narrative—that Billy Beane’s revolutionary use of baseball statistics changed the game—tends to be left out entirely.

    At the beginning of the hoopla for Moneyball the movie a week or so ago, a former Phillies relief pitcher, Mitch “Wild Thing” Williams, identified something else Lewis overlooked on MLB.com: “What Oakland won they didn’t win because of sabermetrics. They won because of Mulder, Hudson, Zito and Tejada.”

    Shortstop Miguel Tejada more or less slips through the pages of Moneyball with little notice; you’d scarcely know that he batted .308 that season with 34 home runs and 131 RBIs. He simply wasn’t Billy Beane’s kind of player. Though his OBP was a respectable .354, you get the feeling that he just didn’t reach base the right way—the “moneyball” way. In one passage, Beane dismisses him altogether. “Oh, great,” he says with real disgust, “Here comes Mister Swing-At-Everything.” Mister Swing-At-Everything did reach base 204 times with hits, but that’s not the Billy Beane way.

    Tejada and third baseman Eric Chavez drove in 240 runs between them, but Moneyball glosses over that fact as if the A’s would have found a way to get those 240 runners home anyway. Runners like catcher-turned-first baseman Scott Hatteberg. No doubt making a strong contribution to the A’s division championship, Hatteberg batted .280 with 15 home runs. His .374 OBP was 20 points higher than Tejada’s and 26 higher than Chavez. But his OBS—on-base percentage plus slugging average, a useful stat which measures not only how often a hitter gets on base but his power as reflected in extra base hits—was 54 points lower than Tejada’s and 53 lower than Chavez’s. But Hatteburg reached base the Beane way by walking 68 times, so he gets the lion’s share of the ink in Moneyball.

    As the movie implies, Hatteberg’s story is something of a Cinderella tale, and Beane deserves all the credit for recognizing his usefulness. He had posted on OBP of .367 in 2001 with the Red Sox, but neither the book or the movie tells the whole story. As Sheldon and Alan Hirsch put it,

    A large part of Beane’s genius, and Lewis’s telling, concerned knowing when to obtain and release players; he buys low and sells high. But the opposite was the case with Hatteberg. Beane signed him for $900,000, but after three seasons had to pay him $2,450,000. Beane lost interest in him, and Cincinnati signed him to a one-year contract for the bargain basement price of $750,000. Moneyball claims Beane succeeded on a low budget because of mega-efficiency, but Hatteberg reflects Beane at his least efficient; at Cincinnati, Hatteberg’s productivity per-dollar was astronomically higher than at Oakland.
    By the way, The Beauty of Short Hops, though it punctures gaping holes in Moneyball, has all but been ignored by the baseball sports establishment, just as the truth of the numerous Bill James-derived statistics that Beane used were previously ignored by the old baseball establishment.
    Moneyball ends with the story of Jeremy Brown, one of eight players who Beane was obsessed with at the time Lewis was writing the book. Brown, an overweight catcher for the University of Alabama, couldn’t run or field his position very well but had a remarkable talent, at least at the college level, of getting on base, often by drawing walks. Beane chose Brown with the 35th pick in the amateur draft. In 2008, after accumulating just 10 at-bats in the major leagues, Brown gave it up and retired.

    “It turned out the scouts were right,” write the Hirsches, “to compare Jeremy Brown to Babe Ruth because both were fat and walked a lot was like comparing Manute Bol to Wilt Chamberlain because both were tall and blocked shots .. Michael Lewis, caught up in a theory and a story, found their merger in this improbable spectacle. If Jeremy Brown didn’t exist, Beane and Lewis would have invented him. In fact, that’s exactly what they did.”

    None of Beane’s other 2008 draft picks panned out, either.

    Perhaps the bitterest irony, one that still hasn’t gotten across with most of the sports media, is who sabermetrics actually did end up helping. The subtitle of Moneyball is “The Art of Winning an Unfair Game.” As a long, feel-good story in the September 26 Sports Illustrated details, the team that seems to have benefited most from the study of sabermetrics is the Boston Red Sox, who hired Bill James as an advisor in 2004. It was, of course, long overdue that major league front offices should recognize James’s genius, but surely Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, a James aficionado, would have made use of his talents with or without Billy Beane’s relative success in Oakland. And it certainly must be acknowledged that the Red Sox, with enormous resources at their disposal, had the money to pursue and sign high-pried free agents who the A’s and other low budgets teams could not.

    With James on board, the Red Sox finally broke the so-called “Curse of the Bambino” and won two World Series in 2004 and 2007—though they won in 2004 in the most improbable of ways, coming back from a 0-3 deficit to the Yankees in the ALCS, just as they had lost the ALCS to the Yankees in the most improbable fashion the previous season when their ace, Pedro Martinez, melted down and lost a sizeable lead in the deciding game.

    So while baseball is left to sort out for itself exactly what the true impact of sabermetrics is, it’s always good to remember that no set of statistics has ever been invented that predicts the future so well as it predicts the past. As I write this, the Red Sox—2011 payroll estimated at $161.7 million—are a horrendous 6-18 in September and are in a fight for their lives for the wild card spot in the AL playoffs with the same Tampa Bay Rays—payroll approximately $41.1 million—that Michael Lewis thought back in 2002 could no longer afford to be contenders.
    Lewis’s misunderstanding of baseball has led a legion of sportswriters and fans to revere Billy Beane. But does the record support the hype? To answer that question, we have to confront the A’s dismal post-season performance—a factor Beane (and Lewis) prefer we dismiss.

    “Anyone,” Beane told an ESPN reporter years ago after an A’s loss in the 2003 postseason, “who wants to diminish our accomplishments by focusing on the playoffs is foolish and ignorant. That’s not respectful to the players on this team.” Well, yes and yes. Most veteran baseball observers would agree that it’s the regular season that shows a team’s true strengths (and weaknesses) and that postseason success in baseball is not so certain as in football or basketball, where, generally, the team that’s supposed to win does win. But even in a crapshoot—and Lewis, as well as Beane, uses the term to define the postseason—the dice should eventually roll your way. Is there anything to be said about the repeated postseason flubs of Billy Beane’s best Oakland teams?

    Let’s review. From 2000-2003, the A’s lost in the first round of the playoffs, the American League Division Series, each year. Their collective record for those four series was 8-12. Even more stunning, given their success during the regular season, the A’s were an eye-popping 0-9 in potential clinchers—games that would have won the series and sent them on to the next round of playoffs.

    Some of their errors and miscues are among the most famous in 21st century major league baseball. In 2000, the A’s won 91 games over the season to the Yankees’ 87 but lost in the final game of the ALDS when Terrence Long, not known for his defensive skills, misplayed a long fly ball in the first inning, allowing the Yankees to clear the bases and blow the game open. The next season, the A’s once again outplayed the far richer eastern devils, winning 102 games to the Yanks’ 95. One of the key plays in the series came in game three when Derek Jeter streaked all the way across the field to snag a weak throw down the first base line and flip it to Jorge Posada, who tagged an unbelievably lazy Jeremy Giambi, who had forgotten to slide. In game five, the A’s led 2-0 in the bottom of the second when three Oakland errors led to two unearned runs that were the difference in the 5-3 win; one of the errors was by Jason Giambi at first base. Giambi was probably one of the worst fielding first basemen in baseball; the only reason he was playing the position that day was because he couldn’t play DH because his brother, the even worse fielding Jeremy, was in that slot.

    In 2002, the A’s faced the equally small market Minnesota Twins in the ALDS. Oakland was easily the better team, winning 103 games to the Twins’ 94. But in game four, the A’s fielding unraveled with two errors leading to five unearned runs in an ugly defeat. One error was committed by the normally sure-handed Miguel Tejada, but the other was by the usually unsurehanded Scott Hattesberg who was in the lineup because Beane loved his ability to get on base, not for his fielding skills. (As Lewis puts it, infield coach Ron Washington “was the one coach in baseball who could be certain that his general manager wouldn’t be wasting any money on fielding ability.”)
    The next season the A’s won three more games (96-93) than the big market Boston Red Sox. But in game three, perhaps the worst in Beane’s career, they committed four errors, capped off by Tejada and Eric Byrnes taking the team out of scoring opportunities with bone-headed base running. (Base running is low on Beane’s list of priorities.)

    What’s interesting about these four series is that three of them were against much larger-market teams. Each year Oakland demonstrated that they had the talent to win more games than the big guys, but each time they couldn’t play the “small ball” required to clench the key games that would have given them the series. You can call it a crapshoot, but all this is reflective of talents that Beane was largely indifferent to, namely fielding and base running, the kind of small things that get overlooked when a general manager is obsessed with large concepts like on-base percentage. And yet they are skills that don’t require a great deal of money to work on.

    Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci wrote in 2003 that “There are real reasons why the Athletics don’t get it down in October, and they have nothing to do with shooting craps. Beane’s teams don’t catch the ball well enough … and, as one Oakland source put it, ‘We’re the worst base running team in the league.'”

    Crap shoot? Perhaps, but the first front office official in baseball to studybaseball statistics had, perhaps, a better explanation: “Luck,” said the legendary Branch Rickey, a full half-century before Beane, “is the residue of design.”

    Curiously, Beane has been given a free pass by baseball writers for his team’s wretched postseason performance. Even more curious is another problem with Beane’s Oakland A’s that has gone almost complete unnoted. Front offices all over the major leagues have been sharply criticized for wearing blinders on the subject of performance enhancing drugs, yet drug use by the A’s in the Moneyball era has drawn practically no attention from anyone, especially Michael Lewis.

    We now know now that their best player and the 2002 American League MVP, Miguel Tejada, was on steroids from 2001-2003—he’s admitted it. We don’t know if Jeremy Giambi was doing anything more potent than marijuana at this time, though he later said he used anabolic steroids similar to those his brother Jason admitted to using in both Oakland and New York. We know that reserve outfielder/third baseman Adam Piatt dealt drugs when he was with Oakland from 2000-2003 (there even copies of two checks Tejada wrote him for the PEDs).

    It certainly isn’t as if there no red flags for Beane to notice. The leaders of the A’s 1988-1990 AL pennant winning teams, Jose Canseco, the self-proclaimed godfather of steroids, and Mark McGwire were rumored to taking some kind of steroids for years. Canseco was back on the A’s in 1997 while Beane was an assistant GM. Perhaps in 2002, when Lewis was writing Moneyball, too little was known about PEDs, but why is there nothing concerning the revelations of drug abuse on the team in subsequent editions?
    In The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, James Stewart patiently tells a reporter the real story about his legend: he didn’t really do what he was famous for doing. The reporter says with a shrug, “This is the West. When the fact becomes legend, print the legend.” Michael Lewis took fact and molded it into a legend. And now, lucky Billy Beane, with Brad Pitt playing him in the highly regarded film version of Moneyball, looks even better on the big screen than he did on the printed page.

    But while Hollywood can create legend, it can’t change the facts. And the fact is that first baseball analysts, then sportswriters, and now Hollywood have bought into the legend.

    #87655

    In reply to: Mr. Rogers

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    Fred Rogers, quiet radical: The misunderstood legacy of “Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood
    Author Michael Long on the iconic television host’s unique brand of pacifism and his gradual embrace of LGBT rights

    https://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/fred_rogers_stealth_progressivism_the_enduring_legacy_of_mr_rogers_neighborhood_partner/

    Michael Long’s new book, Peaceful Neighbor, dares to place Mister Rogers in his social, historical, and political context.

    I say “dares” because this can be more threatening to the reader than she might expect. Not that Long unearths salacious secrets—this isn’t a scandalous tell-all. But those of us who grew up watching Mister Rogers may discover, in reading Peaceful Neighbor, that we were hoping for a hagiography. Instead, Long offers us moments of Rogers being human—and that includes conflicts with cast members, decisions that were not as prophetic or consistent as one might wish in retrospect, and even some insecurities.

    All this from the man who kept blessedly telling kids that they were acceptable just as they were.

    Thankfully, the reader winds up getting a lot more than a hagiography. We get Fred Rogers, the ordained minister, whose television persona was built on a scaffold of theological and pastoral conviction. Without that background, it would be easy to imagine that Rogers came across as he did because he just happened to be a peculiarly benevolent person who was very kind in the way someone else might be very tall, or very tone-deaf. There’s probably some truth to that, but far more interesting are the ways in which Rogers accounted for the kindness he showed people, and wanted them to show each other and themselves.

    At points Peaceful Neighbor felt like it was systematizing Rogers’ theology more than Rogers himself did, but that might also be my own bias. Possibly I missed some of the argumentation in Rogers’ quoted words because they were expressed in letters to friends, and not in a theological treatise. In any case, Long successfully demonstrates that Rogers, who had studied both theology and child development, had put a lot of thought and skill into the things he said to very young children.

    Another major aim of the book is to present Rogers as a radical pacifist—not a wimpy milksop, but a man of great and countercultural conviction.

    I confess that this got my dander up at first. I know a lot of white Christian pacifist dudebros who justify their swaggering and mean-spirited braggadocio by saying that they’re “countercultural.” I wasn’t thrilled that they might try to claim Mister Rogers as one of their own.

    While I still would love to see that distinction developed further—between Mister Rogers’ “radicalism” and the “radicalism” of the self-styled nonviolent revolutionary hipsters for Jesus (and how the former entails a rejection of male privilege that the latter welcomes)—my beef might be with Rogers and not the book’s author. Long shows that Rogers himself worried that people might misunderstand his gentleness as wimpiness. I really would have liked to discover a Fred Rogers that would, upon reading Peaceful Neighbor from his heavenly orange and brown sofa, say something like: “Hey, thanks, but no need to rescue me from criticisms that I’m namby-pamby, or to recast me as more bravely countercultural than people guessed. People who say that are clearly operating out of a restrictive and toxic understanding of masculinity-as-domination that I reject entirely, so who cares about meeting their standards? Now, let’s watch a lecture by bell hooks on Picture Picture.”

    But having read Rogers’ actual words… well, I don’t know. He may not have gotten there.

    Long was kind enough to engage some of these questions over email from Elizabethtown College, where he teaches. If you’ve not read Peaceful Neighbor, the interview below will give you a sense of Long’s scope and style. If you have read it, then Long’s responses will likely give you a sense of his own response to discovering a more complex Mister Rogers than the one we probably carry around in our hearts.

    SMB: Could you begin by situating the book a bit? As I was reading Peaceful Neighbor, I wondered whether it was part of a wider conversation on nonviolence… or maybe even a not-yet-conversation that needs to become a conversation. In some quarters of American Christianity, the loudest calls for pacifism seem to go hand-in-hand with a kind of macho bravado that can alienate everyone who isn’t a white hetero hipster swaggerer into homebrewing, Crossfit, and Jesus. You seem to be offering a different model here—a Christian pacifist who is neither a conflict-averse fussbudget nor an aggressively overcompensating dudebro. Is that fair?

    ML: Yes, that’s fair. The model Rogers offers—one of being peace—is more closely aligned with Zen Buddhism than with the macho form of Christian pacifism that you so accurately identify.

    Thich Nhat Hanh once said that marching in the streets does not create peace. And while I don’t agree with him entirely—marchers did a lot to end the Vietnam War—he is right to suggest that peace has its roots in the quiet compassion of the human heart.

    Compassion is the adjective Rogers used when asked how he wanted to be remembered, and it is the practice that he tried to instill in his viewers so that they would become peacemakers. So rather than donning cut-off jeans and angrily pumping a peace sign while marching in the streets, he quietly modeled compassion as the antidote to violence, This does not mean he rolled over in a namby-pamby way, as the folk singer Pete Seeger once described him.

    Rogers might have sounded and looked wimpy, but he was fiercely dedicated to a pacifism rooted in human dignity for all. The strength of this conviction led him to create a program that sought to undermine an entire society poised to kill. Doing so Rogers felt, as he put it, strong.

    I was surprised to learn that, during the first Gulf War, Betty Aberlin and Fred Rogers had a fairly serious dispute over how to make best use of the platform they had to address the peace they both longed for—with Aberlin wanting to take a much more radical stand. Aberlin appealed to her Christian convictions, as Rogers elsewhere did to his. Was that a big surprise to you as well?

    The dispute between Aberlin and Rogers did not surprise me too much. These two forceful personalities were stylistically different. Aberlin was a street protestor, and Rogers was not. He preferred communicating his views in front of a camera and in the quiet of a studio. Rogers was also much more subtle and indirect in his approach than was Aberlin, though I hasten to add the two respected each other.

    What are some things that did surprise you?

    Perhaps most surprising to me was his suggestion, offered in the late 1960s, that Francois Clemmons, who played Officer Clemmons in the Neighborhood, keep his gay sexuality in the closet.

    According to Clemmons, if he did not stay in the closet, Rogers would remove him from the show. Hearing that counsel from his mentor was a painful and devastating moment for Clemmons. For me, it was surprising, given Rogers’s beautiful words about liking us just the way we are. But I do want to emphasize that Rogers evolved on this issue and that Clemmons came to feel that Rogers eventually understood Clemmons’s sexuality and that he fully welcomed his gay friends when they visited the set. Rogers also supported his local Presbyterian church’s outreach to the LGBT community.

    I was also pleasantly surprised to read letters of protest and dissent written by children viewers of an episode in which Rogers extolled Sea World and its care for the killer whale Shamu, These children had seen the popular movie “Free Willy” and were saddened and disturbed by Mister Rogers’s apparent unwillingness to free Shamu from the confines of the Sea World tank.

    The letters are very touching in the care they express for a killer whale in need of the freedom afforded by a vast ocean. They are also moving in the sense that they are the product of Rogers’s own creation—his handwork in encouraging children to express their feelings, including those of anger and disappointment. The letters of dissent penned by children are the powerful products of Rogers’s work in child development.

    I’m so glad you mentioned Officer Clemmons. I loved how you made him a three-dimensional character, even as I winced as I read his accounts of how his race and sexuality limited his role in the show. Clemmons mentions that he asked, more than once, to play the male lead opposite Betty Aberlin in the operas put on by the Neighborhood of Make-Believe. It sounded as though he was… well, I don’t think he said “dismissed,” but the description made it appear that Fred Rogers was dismissive of the idea, which Clemmons interpreted as Rogers’ hesitancy to show an interracial couple. And then in chapter 10 we learn that Rogers told Clemmons that someone had seen him at a gay bar and that, while Rogers personally had no problem with Clemmons being gay, under no conditions could Clemmons come out. And I guess I want to ask: why? Why did someone who had by then proven he could stand up to politicians, irate viewers, and TV industry people balk at having an out gay man as part of his cast?

    That’s a tough question. Rogers did not allow the politics of his conservative viewers prevent him from developing episodes that were progressive on issues of war, racial justice, feminism, economics, and ecology.

    But, according to Francois Clemmons, Rogers was indeed concerned that he would alienate conservative viewers had he addressed the issue of gay liberation on “Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood.” So what accounts for the apparent inconsistency, that is, Rogers’s willingness to take on, say, the Vietnam War but not gay liberation? To be honest, I do not know have a definitive answer to offer. Perhaps Rogers did not see the type of core support for gay liberation that he saw for other progressive issues, and so was concerned about being too far ahead on the issue.

    But let me stress that this is mere conjecture on my part. This is one of the issues that make me wish he were still around for us to talk with and learn from.

    If he were around today, I would ask him about gender identity as well. I remember his song that went something like “Boys are boys from the beginning / Girls are girls right from the start…” And then later: “Girls grow up to be the mommies / And boys grow up to be the daddies / Everybody’s fancy, everybody’s fine / Your body’s fancy, and so is mine” So it seems like he was operating with a fairly strict gender binary, though I suppose I need to remember that he didn’t write that song in 2015. To use a ripped-from-the-headlines test case, do you think Rogers would be able to accept and celebrate Caitlyn Jenner for who she is?

    My sense is that Rogers had a comparatively fluid notion of gender roles. He was constantly bending gender on his program in the sense that he showed males and females undertaking activities not normally associated with their gender. We can see this especially in his use of the puppet Lady Elaine Fairchilde. “I’m tired of being a lady!” she says at one point, indicating she wants to do work not typically identified as “lady-like.”

    And, indeed, throughout the years Lady Elaine Fairchilde takes on roles that had long been identified as for males alone. For example, years before Sally Ride became an astronaut, Lady Elaine flew to Pluto and even discovered Planet Purple along the way. Lady Elaine is one tough puppet!

    On a similar note, Rogers often showed himself (as Mister Rogers) doing things not historically associated with his gender. And so we can see early episodes in which he is ironing his clothes, cleaning his house, trying on wigs, and playing with dolls. In addition, Francois Clemmons recalls that Rogers encouraged him to get in touch with the feminine dimension of his personality. According to Clemmons, Rogers even wondered aloud whether wearing women’s clothes might help Clemmons explore his feminine side. So it seems that Rogers was quite progressive on the issues of gender and gender roles.

    As I ask these questions, I realize I have two responses to the book. One is: Wow, this is so fascinating because it’s about Fred Rogers yet isn’t a hagiography! How lovely! And the other is: Hey, this is Fred Rogers! I don’t want moral complexity; I want the saint that I have ensconced in a golden halo in my childhood memories. Do you encounter that a lot?

    It doesn’t take a great leap to see Rogers as a saint. He was so patient and compassionate and accepting. But Rogers himself was aware that all of us are morally complex, a beautiful combination of saint and sinner. So writing a hagiography would have been a disservice to Rogers’s own acceptance of moral complexity. It also would have been contrary to his fierce commitment to truth-telling in constructive and positive ways.

    I understand that some readers will no doubt be troubled by some of the things they learn about Rogers. But if they could keep their own moral complexity in mind, perhaps that will make it easier on them. With that noted, though, I must say that in spite of his own shortcomings Rogers still seems to me to be far more saint than sinner—a compelling model for all of us who lack compassion at points and who fail to accept others just as they are.

    #87649

    In reply to: Gluten

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    The only reason you would have to fear gluten is if you have celiac disease.

    Gluten is most likely harmless for everyone else.

    Link: https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/non-celiac-gluten-sensitivity/

    About a third of Americans report that they are trying to reduce or avoid gluten in their diet. If Jimmy Kimmel’s funny stunt is any indication, most probably don’t know what gluten even is. The gluten-free diet has officially become a fad, and “gluten” has been tagged as something vaguely bad that should be avoided.

    About 1% of people have a disease called Celiac, which is an autoimmune reaction to gluten. This is a serious disease that can make people very ill if they consume even the smallest amount of gluten. A diagnosis of Celiac can be confirmed with an antibody test (anti-gliadin antibodies), or, if necessary, a stomach biopsy.

    Gluten is a composite protein composed of two parts, gliadin and glutenin. It is found in wheat, rye, barley, spelt, and related grains. It is a springy protein that gives bread its elasticity. Celiac disease is an immune reaction to the gliadin part of the protein.

    Celiac is fairly well understood and is non-controversial. What is controversial is a disorder known as non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) – believed to be an intolerance to gluten that causes gastrointestinal symptoms. NCGS is controversial, and in fact may not truly exist at all.

    NCGS should be considered a hypothesis, not a confirmed entity, but this has not stopped self-diagnosis and treatment from becoming popular.

    It is sometimes tricky to confirm whether or not a new possible diagnosis truly exists, or if it is just a misdiagnosis of other diseases and disorders. Diseases are usually first recognized by their clinical syndrome, and then later investigation uncovers the cause or pathophysiology of the disease. Often at this stage, when we discover what is happening biologically, diseases are reclassified, and diagnoses are sometimes combined, and other times split apart.

    There are some diagnoses, however, that live on the fringe, never gaining scientific support. Throughout history, it seems, there have always been faddish diagnoses used as popular labels for common symptoms. At the turn of the 19th century “neurasthenia” was a common label for vague or common symptoms. In the mid 20th century syphilis (although a real disease) was often used as a convenient diagnosis for any unexplained symptoms.

    More recently we have chronic Lyme, candida hypersensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, electromagnetic sensitivity, and a host of other vague syndromes.

    Electromagnetic sensitivity is similar to NCGS in that both are believed to be a sensitivity with symptoms resulting from a specific exposure. In both cases, therefore, we can address the core question (does the sensitivity exist) by studying blinded exposures. In the case of electromagnetic sensitivity, when properly blinded those who believe they have this condition cannot detect exposure.

    What about NCGS? It has not been established that NCGS exists, or that people who believe they have this condition actually are responding physiologically to gluten. There are two possibilities that need to be carefully considered. The first is that perceived gluten sensitivity is an observational artifact, a type of nocebo effect. GI symptoms are notoriously sensitive to mood and expectation. There are also generic biases such as confirmation bias that can lead to the perception of false associations.

    It is still not clear, in other words, that there is an actual association between consuming gluten and GI symptoms. Individuals may firmly believe that they have such an association, but we know from countless historical examples and experiments that such firm beliefs can form in the absence of a true association.

    The second possibility that needs to be seriously considered is that in some people who are self-diagnosed with NCGS, they are reacting to something else that is common in gluten-containing foods. If this is the case, then gluten is an innocent bystander. This would be very important to discover, for obvious practical reasons.

    A recent study suggests that this might be the case. Biesiekierski et. al. did a well controlled series of studies in which they challenged subjects with possible NCGS with carefully controlled diets with various amounts of gluten. They found no association between gluten consumption and reported symptoms, arguing very strongly against NCGS as a real entity.

    Their study did, however, suggest another possible culprit – FODMAPs (fermentable, oligo-, di-, monosaccharides, and polyols). These are also common in breads and other foods containing gluten. In the study subjects, GI symptoms improved when FODMAPs and gluten were removed, but then reintroducing gluten had no association with return of symptoms. The authors conclude:

    In a placebo-controlled, cross-over rechallenge study, we found no evidence of specific or dose-dependent effects of gluten in patients with NCGS placed diets low in FODMAPs.

    They were not, however, testing whether or not FODMAPs were a cause of GI symptoms, and so cannot conclude if this is the true cause. A follow up study would need to be done to verify that (perhaps we’ll see a FODMAP-free fad before this science can be done). If true it would explain why some people do have reduction in GI symptoms when they avoid gluten, because they are also avoiding FODMAPs.

    Conclusion

    The best evidence we currently have suggests that NCGS is probably not a real entity. Blinded challenges do not show any correlation, and there is currently no evidence for a specific mechanism. Those who are self-diagnosed with NCGS probably fall into one of three categories:

    1- Borderline true Celiac disease (a small minority that can be sorted out with diagnostic tests)

    2- GI symptoms due to non-dietary reasons with a false association with gluten due to confirmation bias and nocebo effects

    3 – GI symptoms due to some other food exposure. FODMAPs are one possibility, but more research needs to be done.

    The real risk of the gluten-free fad is that it distracts from what is really going on. Popular diagnoses (whether real or not) do tend to attract self-diagnosis, and become an impediment to a more proper diagnosis. There is a tendency to prematurely settle on the popular diagnosis, and then fail to consider all possibilities.

    In the case of NCGS, there may be something else in food to which some people are sensitive. Or, diet may not be the answer at all.

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    The ‘cruel joke’ of compassionate use and right to try: Pharma companies don’t have to comply…

    The ‘cruel joke’ of compassionate use and right to try: Pharma companies don’t have to comply

    From my days in medical school, I vaguely remember learning about lysosomal storage disorders. They occupied at most part of a lecture or two in my second-year pathophysiology course. I memorized a few details about these rare diseases in preparation for my board exam, and then never gave them another thought. These diseases were treated by pediatric specialists and wouldn’t be part of my life as a cardiologist.

    That changed a few weeks ago when my 28-month-old daughter, Radha, was diagnosed with a lysosomal storage disorder. Now I know far more about these diseases than I did in medical school. I’ve also learned a frustrating fact that no medical school teaches its students: While the FDA has a compassionate use program to allow people access to experimental drugs, it can’t compel a company to provide those drugs. The newly signed “right-to-try” law doesn’t either.

    Radha’s birth went perfectly. She was a healthy baby and met all of her developmental milestones — until it came to walking. My wife, Sonal, a pediatric gastroenterologist, recognized this and we had Radha evaluated by several specialists. None thought anything was physically wrong and indicated that she would learn to walk with the help of some physical therapy sessions.

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    They initially helped. Then Radha’s progress slowed. Just after her second birthday, additional testing, including an MRI of her brain and spine followed by a genetic analysis, revealed that our daughter had metachromatic leukodystrophy.

    Related: Trump signs right-to-try legislation, making controversial measure law of the land
    This lysosomal storage disorder is an autosomal recessive genetic disease that interferes with the body’s production of a single enzyme, arylsulfatase A. Not enough arylsulfatase A causes a buildup of fats called sulfatides inside cells. In cells that make myelin, the substance that insulates and protects nerves, an abundance of sulfatides destroys tissue throughout the brain, spinal cord, and other parts of the nervous system.

    Children with the most severe form of metachromatic leukodystrophy develop symptoms like trouble walking or poor muscle tone before the age of 30 months. Once symptoms appear, the prognosis is grim. Radha’s health will decline rapidly over the next three to six months. She will soon lose her ability to move, speak, see, and eat, and will be prone to seizures. The disease will then plateau for several years, leaving her in a vegetative state and unable to communicate. Our only hope is that she’ll always understand us when we tell her we love her, but we may never know. Most children with metachromatic leukodystrophy don’t survive beyond their 8th birthday.

    Because we live in an era of rapid genomic innovation, gene-editing technologies such as CRISPR, proteomics, and rational drug design, I assumed that a disease caused by a single-enzyme deficiency was treatable. In my search for ways to help my daughter, I came across enzyme replacement therapies being developed for a number of conditions, including metachromatic leukodystrophy.

    Shire Pharmaceuticals has developed a therapy for the disease and has even found a way to deliver it across the blood-brain barrier, which is no mean feat. The company has even completed a multicenter Phase 1/2 trial of the drug, called SHP-611 (also known as HGT-1110) in Europe, with what appear to be promising results. There was enough of a signal of therapeutic benefit from this trial to move forward with another one, though it appears to be several months to a year away.

    Children with metachromatic leukodystrophy who were involved in the original trial have access to the drug as part of an extension of the trial. Radha developed the disease too late to take part in the first trial, and too soon to join the second one (if and when it happens).

    Related: ‘Right-to-try’ law intended to weaken the FDA, measure’s sponsor says in blunt remarks
    Even so, that discovery gave me hope. It meant that Radha should qualify for what the Food and Drug Administration calls its expanded access program, also known as compassionate use. It governs the use of an investigational medicine that has not been approved by the FDA outside of a clinical trial.

    Here’s how it is supposed to work. A physician caring for a patient with a terminal illness who has exhausted all other treatment options and isn’t eligible for a clinical trial appeals to the pharmaceutical company to provide an investigational drug that has undergone at least a Phase 1 trial, which studies the safety of a drug. If the pharmaceutical company agrees, the treating physician applies to the FDA for approval for expanded access to the investigational drug.

    Thanks to policy changes at the FDA, it has become easier than ever for physicians seek access to investigational drugs. The application form has been significantly simplified and now only one member of a facility’s institutional review board needs to sign off on the petition. The FDA approves more than 95 percent such requests, and does so swiftly, usually in a matter of a few days.

    Radha’s physicians followed Shire’s protocol for applying for compassionate use exactly as directed on the company’s website. Within a day or two, their request was denied, without any legitimate medical reason given.

    With my daughter’s life on the line, I shamelessly used every contact and connection I have to reach someone at Shire to ask about compassionate use of SHP-611. When that effort yielded no responses, I called and emailed the current and former FDA commissioners, the head of the pharmaceutical trade association, PhRMA, the former CMO of a major pharmaceutical company, and even the dean of the medical school I attended. Most were cordial, even supportive.

    Sonal and I even started a Change.org petition to help us nudge Shire to give Radha and her doctors compassionate access to SHP-611.

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    All of our efforts to get answers from Shire have been repeatedly rebuffed with vague, unsatisfying responses, leaving me to wonder why the company is denying my daughter’s only hope. In fact, Shire has refused to correspond with me directly, and has instructed me to direct questions to it via my daughter’s treating physicians.

    Large pharmaceutical companies are notoriously risk averse when it comes to expanding access to medications that are still in the testing phase. Many refuse to grant access to investigational drugs outside of clinical trials, and efforts to lobby them to release the medication as part of compassionate use are often rebuffed.

    One fear they have is that an adverse event, like an injury or death — even if it is not directly due to the medication — will derail a company’s ability to push a drug forward for FDA approval, something they argue would ultimately undermine efforts to develop drugs that can help other families.

    In response to this fear, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb unveiled an updated policy on reporting adverse events that occur during compassionate use. It now requires reporting “only if there is evidence to suggest a causal relationship between the drug and the adverse event.”

    Pharmaceutical companies also worry that if an experimental medication is given to one patient through compassionate use, it must be given to all patients who request it. In the case of rare diseases like metachromatic leukodystrophy — in the U.S., only about 60 children develop the late infantile form of the disease each year — this could mean that a company would have trouble enrolling enough patients when it eventually opens a clinical trial.

    That’s a valid concern when access to the therapy is not time-sensitive. But in disorders such as the late infantile form of metachromatic leukodystrophy, the disease progresses so fast and irreversibly that patients who are denied access to the medication today will soon be so debilitated that they would not derive any benefit from it if and when it became available via a clinical trial, and so would not be able to enroll in the trial anyway.

    Related: Right-to-try bill headed for vote puts bigger burden on FDA to protect patients, Gottlieb says
    The push for a federal right-to-try process culminated this week with President Trump signing a new law in a ceremony surrounded by patients with life-threatening illnesses and their families. In theory, this law will let patients and physicians bypass the FDA and go directly to pharmaceutical companies for access to investigational therapies that have undergone early testing. But it doesn’t require pharmaceutical companies to accede to these requests.

    This new law requires drug companies to report clinical outcomes and adverse events, though it reduces their implications by stating that the FDA should not use this information to delay or adversely affect the approval of investigational drugs. As a physician, I believe that removing federal safeguards for experimental drugs is dangerous, and I believe that adverse events should be reported to the FDA as a way to prevent them from happening to other patients. As a parent desperate to help his daughter in any way I can, though, I hope this bill will allay Shire’s fears and encourage it to give SHP-611 to Radha.

    I have never been one to malign pharmaceutical companies because I believe they are our best source of new and improved treatments. Yet Radha’s situation has made me cynical of a system in which pharmaceutical companies cater to investors and the physicians who prescribe their products rather than to the consumers of their therapies. I wish I could say that Shire is an outlier, but a quick internet search shows many similar situations where other pharmaceutical companies have denied compassionate use requests for what amount to business decisions.

    Shire’s therapy represents the only reasonable hope for Radha and our family. If the company continues to refuse access to SHP-611 outside of a clinical trial, then why not open a new one? Its previous trial ended 15 months ago and yet there is still no sign of the follow-up trial that Shire claims it is working hard to start as soon as possible.

    Much of what we do in medicine is based on analyses of benefits and risks. Shire has produced a drug that in early testing demonstrated safety with enough benefit to push forward follow-up trials. In Radha’s case, the potential benefits of SHP-611 clearly outweigh the risks, but only if we get the drug to her soon, before her condition deteriorates further.

    Compassionate use and right-to-try are billed as ways to give hope to patients who have exhausted all other options. From Radha’s perspective, they are nothing more than a cruel joke, dangling a potential lifesaving therapy just out of her reach.

    Vibhav Rangarajan, M.D., is a fellow in advanced cardiovascular imaging at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.

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    I am actually taking a couple of months off this summer because I’m fairly burned-out on the opioid situation.

    They say W.V. is ground zero of the opioid crisis.

    I read a report about Seattle that said that opioids can be found in mussels in the bay, due simply to flushing traces that were in waste products.

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    “Pain Killer” Author Barry Meier on How West Virginia Became Ground Zero of Opioid Epidemic

    https://www.democracynow.org/2018/6/1/pain_killer_author_barry_meier_on

    West Virginia had the highest rate of opioid-related deaths in the U.S. in 2016, making the state ground zero for a national opioid epidemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the past two decades. A record number of people in West Virginia died from overdosing on drugs in 2017. Between 2007 and 2012, the three biggest wholesalers of prescription drugs in the U.S. shipped some 780 million pain pills containing oxycodone or hydrocodone to the state of West Virginia alone—433 pills for every man, woman and child in the state. That’s according to Barry Meier, author of “Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic,” published this week in an updated and expanded edition. We speak with Barry Meier, the first journalist to shed a national spotlight on the abuse of OxyContin.

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    AMY GOODMAN: So, let’s talk about ground zero, West Virginia. What was happening in some of these towns, in some of these small, independent drugstores—

    BARRY MEIER: Right.

    AMY GOODMAN: —that were bringing in how much of this drug?

    BARRY MEIER: They were bringing in huge amounts of this drug, I mean, tens and tens of millions of pills, annually, of this drug.

    AMY GOODMAN: How did it start in West Virginia?

    BARRY MEIER: I mean, OxyContin was being distributed to West Virginia, to Virginia and other states. Drugstores were prescribing it. But, you know, you had doctors there that were essentially running what are called pill mills. People would come in to the doctor and say, “Doctor, I hurt, I have pain.” “OK, fine, let me just write you a prescription. Oh, and, you know, OxyContin works really well for me, for my pain.” So, you had these doctors who were writing prescriptions for drugs at the request of the patient, which is, you know, a rare situation. And so then these patients, who are often drug abusers, would go to the pharmacy and get the prescriptions filled. Sometimes I—and, you know, in my travels on this story, I would go to small towns where the doctor had a pharmacy in his office. So he would write the prescription, you’d go next door to a pharmacy that he owned, and they would dispense the drug. So, you know, millions of these pills were being dispensed. They were ending up on the street. And these horror shows of crime and abuse and separated families and everything else would follow.

    AMY GOODMAN: I’m looking at a piece, that you refer to in your piece. This is in the West Virginia Gazette-Mail. And it says, “In Southern West Virginia, many of the pharmacies that received the largest shipments of prescription opioids were small, independent drugstores like ones in Raleigh and Wyoming counties that ordered 600,000 to 1.1 million oxycodone pills a year. Or they were locally owned pharmacies in Mingo and Logan [counties], where wholesalers distributed 1.4 million to 4.7 million hydrocodone pills annually. By contrast, the Wal-Mart at Charleston’s Southridge Centre, one of the retail giant’s busiest stores in West Virginia, [was shipped] about 5,000 oxycodone and 9,500 hydrocodone pills each year.”

    BARRY MEIER: Yeah. I mean, it’s startling. I think what—you know, one of the things that happened when the Justice Department did not crack down, really, on Purdue Pharma is it sent a signal that, “Drug companies, drug distributors, you can ship these drugs in whatever quantity you want, to wherever you want, and the worst that you’re going to face is a fine.” So they viewed it as a cost of doing business. There was never going to be any accountability for the corporate executives. It wasn’t going to be like the dealer or the drug addict who was going to end up in prison. All the corporate executives were going to have to pay was a small fine. And that was going to be a fraction of the profits that they were going to make by shipping huge quantities of the drugs to places like West Virginia.

    AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to continue this conversation with Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic, after this break. I want to ask you about Art Van [Zee], a doctor in Virginia. Stay with us.

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    New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced earlier this year that the city would sue manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids to account for their part in the city’s ongoing deadly opioid epidemic. Firms named in the suit include Purdue Pharma, Johnson & Johnson and McKesson Corporation. The Guardian reports that more than 60 cities are suing Big Pharma over opioids. An explosive New York Times report has revealed that manufacturers of the drug OxyContin knew it was highly addictive as early as 1996, the first year after the drug hit the market. The Times published a confidential Justice Department report this week showing that Purdue Pharma executives were told OxyContin was being crushed and snorted for its powerful narcotic, but still promoted it as less addictive than other opioid painkillers. Purdue executives have testified before Congress that they were unaware of the drug’s growing abuse until years after it was on the market. Today, drug overdoses are the leading cause of death for Americans under age 50. We speak with Barry Meier, author of “Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic.”

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    AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now! I’m Amy Goodman. Our guest is Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic. Tell us the story of Dr. Art Van Zee.

    BARRY MEIER: You know, Art Van Zee is kind of the hero of my book. He’s a man I met him when I was reporting for the Times back in the early 2000s. He’s a small-town doctor. He lives in a town called Pennington Gap in very western Virginia, near the Kentucky border. And I met him. He was a—he’s a gracious, lovely person. He reminded me of kind of a Doctors Without Borders, but here in the U.S., you know, working in Appalachia, in an area that desperately needed medical care.

    He realized that his town was being overrun by OxyContin abuse. He saw kids being addicted to it, went to the hospital on emergency visits. And he decided, eventually, that he had to do something. He couldn’t stand quiet and let this unfold. And he tried to lead a small-town campaign to get the FDA to pull this drug off the market, or at least to crack down on this drug. And Pain Killer kind of follows his saga and the saga of other people in the town, a wonderful nun there by the name of Sister Beth, who sort of try to take on this huge, powerful drug company and hold it to account.

    AMY GOODMAN: And so, what happened to Dr. Art Van Zee?

    BARRY MEIER: You know, Art Van Zee, like Laura Nagel, eventually got shouted down, got ignored. I mean, there was this rather pivotal Senate hearing, where he comes and he pleads with these senators to do something about this drug. And Chris Dodd, the Democratic senator from Connecticut at the time, starts raking him over the coals and sounds like he’s, you know, badgering him with talking points that had been given to him by Purdue Pharma. And lo and behold, when I started looking at campaign finance records and other documents, it turned out that Chris Dodd had met with Purdue Pharma prior to this hearing, and Purdue—and Chris Dodd had gotten a $10,000 contribution from Purdue Pharma shortly afterward. So, Purdue Pharma, you know, was spreading money around and going after its critics and co-opting them throughout this entire period. I mean, the U.S. attorney in Maine, who first sounded a public alarm about this—

    AMY GOODMAN: First one in the country.

    BARRY MEIER: In the country, in 2001. He went immediately onto the payroll of Purdue Pharma and became one of its biggest defenders. In fact, I found documents that suggested that he was discussing a job with them even before he left public office. He swore up and down that that wasn’t the case. But, in fact, there are emails, Purdue Pharma’s own emails, suggesting that he had reached out to them to discuss job opportunities.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain the nature of the settlement in 2007. Can the company—can individuals in the company be held criminally responsible today, what, 200,000 deaths later, in the last 20 years, though they would argue, “That’s not all us”?

    BARRY MEIER: Right. So, the settlement was twofold. The company, Purdue Pharma, as a company, pled guilty to a felony charge called misbranding, which was essentially misrepresenting the drug, and paid $600 million in fines. The three executives, top executives, of the company pled guilty to a misdemeanor version of that charge. It was a sort of weird charge, because it only held him liable in their roles as corporate executives. It did not accuse them personally of any wrongdoing. They paid around—about $34 million in fines. But what we came to discover, and what was in the Times in the other day and in the expanded version of the book, is that the prosecutors on the case wanted to charge them also with very serious felonies, that could have put them in jail, had that case gone forward.

    AMY GOODMAN: And talking about holding people responsible, you write about how those that do drugs together, a husband, could be found guilty of murdering his wife, etc. Talk about that.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, you know, we have a different standard of justice in this country. One standard is for the person who gets caught with, you know, some drugs in their pocket. Another standard is for the person who’s caught selling drugs. And another standard is for the executives of corporations that allow these drugs to get into the wrong hands of people, or knowingly are aware that these drugs are being abused, and don’t say anything. And, you know, there seems to be very little punishment that those kinds of individuals face.

    AMY GOODMAN: But what do people face on the ground, who are doing drugs?

    BARRY MEIER: They face their—they face spending the rest of their life in prison.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain.

    BARRY MEIER: You know, they can be sent away for 10 years, for 20 years. They can have their lives destroyed, whereas the corporate executives don’t see their bonuses going down. They don’t see their lives being ruined. They just go on with their lives.

    AMY GOODMAN: Earlier this year, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced that New York would sue manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids to account for their part in the city’s ongoing deadly opioid epidemic. Firms named in the suit include Purdue Pharma, Johnson & Johnson and McKesson Corporation.

    MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO: This is a man-made crisis if ever there was one, fueled by corporate greed, fueled by the actions of big pharmaceutical companies that hooked millions of Americans on opioids to begin with. And some of them still are addicted to prescription drugs, and others have migrated to heroin. But we know where it began for so many people. And, bluntly, it was so a very few people could profit, and, obviously, the horrible actions of criminals who sell drugs and profit in death, as well. That combination has led to where we are today. We need to remember that those origins at the root of this problem means it’s a problem that can be defeated. We can fight back against the big pharmaceutical companies. We can fight back against the criminals who peddle drugs. We can change in so many ways, including changing the entire culture around this issue, so we can help people.
    AMY GOODMAN: So that’s New York Mayor Bill de Blasio. More than 60 U.S. cities in over a dozen states are now suing Big Pharma over opioids. What does this mean?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, this could have happened a long time ago, Amy. You know, what’s startling to me is, as someone who’s watched this over almost two decades, is the issue of, you know, why did we wait this long to do this. We could have done this in 2003, in 2007, in 2010, in 2012. We have allowed this to morph into this horrible situation. It’s a good thing that it’s happening now. And I really do hope that these cities and states carry through and get to the truth, and not walk away with a simple settlement the way the Justice Department did in 2007. The only way that this problem is really going to be solved is if we really understand what happened, if the truth about what happened comes out. I mean, the fact that, you know, this confidential memo has now come out adds to the truth of what we know.

    AMY GOODMAN: And again, say what is the essential point in this confidential memo.

    BARRY MEIER: The essential point is that Purdue Pharma has claimed, from day one, and still claims today, that it first became aware of OxyContin’s growing abuse in 2000. This memo shows that prosecutors believe that they were aware of the drug’s abuse for years before that and concealed that information.

    AMY GOODMAN: And what about the lawsuits of New York and 60 other cities and towns? What are they trying to accomplish with these lawsuits? What’s the premise of them?

    BARRY MEIER: They’re trying to get money. They’re trying to get money to pay for some of the medical costs that they’ve had to absorb as a result of prescription drug overdoses and addictions. It’s very similar to the tobacco lawsuits, which I also covered for the Times. It’s essentially taxpayers have borne the brunt of the healthcare costs related to prescription painkillers. Purdue Pharma hasn’t paid for it. Johnson & Johnson hasn’t paid for it. These drug distributors haven’t paid for it. They’ve only profited from it. So now these states and towns are trying to recover some of the costs from the people who profited from this trade.

    AMY GOODMAN: Barry Meier, what about the American Medical Association?

    BARRY MEIER: It’s funny you should bring that up. The American Medical Association has been, over time, one of the big stumbling blocks to the solution of this problem. Back in 2001, I met a wonderful doctor, Dr. Nathaniel Katz. And he argued that doctors should be required to undergo some type of mandatory training as a condition for prescribing prescription drugs like OxyContin, like six hours of training, eight hours of training. You could do it on your home. You could do it through some sort of, you know, thing on the internet. Very simple.

    The AMA fought this tooth and nail, as recently as the Obama administration. The White House Office of Drug Policy wanted to propose a law to make this happen. AMA lobbyists came to officials of the White House and to the—you know, to the Obama administration, and said, “If you do this, we will fight you tooth and nail. We will not allow this to happen. This is too much of a burden for our members. They don’t have six hours or eight hours to spend looking at information on how to prescribe these drugs more safely.” So, I think they have a lot on their shoulders here. You know, they basically blocked taking a very simple step, that would have been—would have provided tremendous good for patients and for doctors.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, the Sacklers didn’t put their name on the drug company and are a very secretive family when it comes to that, but very public when it comes to supporting the big museums, like you said, the Met in New York and the Sackler Wing. Do you think, given that these big art institutions and universities around the country get federal funding, that they should have their name stripped from these wings?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, that’s a—you know, that’s really up to the institutions and these medical schools to decide, you know.

    AMY GOODMAN: Explain the medical school connection.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, you know, they fund a lot of medical schools. They fund a lot of educational programs at medical schools. You know, there’s been a lot—you know, there was a wonderful piece that Christopher Glazek did in Esquire and Patrick Keefe did in The New Yorker about the Sacklers. And, you know, I wrote about them extensively in Pain Killer. They’ve now become the face of this problem. And so, you know, museums and—

    AMY GOODMAN: Maybe name the wings after the victims of their drugs.

    BARRY MEIER: Well, either that or have information about their donors.

    AMY GOODMAN: So, next week begins the big push. The White House, in conjunction with the Ad Council, will be debuting public service messages that “should shock the conscience,” they say. What do you think needs to be done?

    BARRY MEIER: Well, I think that we have a two-headed beast that we’re dealing with. One thing that is being done—and, unfortunately, it’s come about a decade too late, but it’s being done now—is a reassessment of the use of drugs like OxyContin in the treatment of medical conditions. As I said, it’s a valuable drug, but there are many other ways to treat pain and treat common types of pain that are just as effective as the use of pain pills. And employers and unions need to make sure that their members and employees are getting the best possible pain treatment, not pills, which are profitable for drug companies and cheap for insurers. So that’s one side of the problem.

    AMY GOODMAN: We have 15 seconds.

    BARRY MEIER: The other side of the problem is the illegal side, and that’s really a law enforcement enforcement issue, you know, cracking down on companies—countries like China and Mexico, that ship the chemicals that are used to make these horrible and dangerous illegal street drugs.

    AMY GOODMAN: Well, I want to thank you for being with us, Barry Meier, author of Pain Killer: An Empire of Deceit and the Origin of America’s Opioid Epidemic, just out this week, updated and expanded, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist formerly with The New York Times.

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    Two Weeks Into OTAs, Lawler Taking Reps with First-Team Defense

    Kristen Lago

    http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Two-Weeks-Into-OTAs-Lawler-Taking-Reps-with-First-Team-Defense/2c9aac86-f610-4b64-86f3-7e7baabe57bb

    It’s not often that a seventh-round draft pick is thrust into the first-team lineup just one month into the offseason program. But such is the case for the Rams’ final draft pick, Justin Lawler, who is up for a tough challenge during the team’s OTAs.

    “It’s been going good. I’m picking up the defense slowly,” he said this week. “As you can see we’ve had some injuries, so I’m going and kinda thrown in with the ones.”

    The injuries Lawler referred to include Morgan Fox and Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, who suffered a season-ending knee

    injury and a foot injury that required surgery, respectively. Both injuries occurred in the offseason program.

    With both out for the remainder of the offseason, Lawler has been asked to step up in their place — something that may have surprised the rookie at first, but was not entirely unexpected.

    “I knew they were thin [and] that’s why they drafted three of us,” Lawler said. “You never wish that upon anybody, but that’s football. It’s next man up. I get hurt, hopefully not, but the next man’s gotta play. That’s football and that’s the business we’re in.”

    Through six OTAs, Lawler has been taking reps with the ones as the club’s strongside linebacker. While at SMU, he played the majority of his time on the weak side, representing yet another transition for the young player.

    But with the help of linebacker’s coach Joe Barry, Lawler is hopeful that he will be able to not only learn the terminology and scheme, but also to improve his technique at a new position.

    “I have to drop a lot more. So, the route combos, the motions, just the communication overall, that’s been the toughest to pick up,” he said. “I’ve got to get better as a pass rusher. Joe B always says that we’re paid to rush their quarterback and that’s something that I’ve gotta refine.”

    Fortunately, Lawler says he has found a mentor in second-year outside linebacker Samson Ebukam — who has experience on the strong side from his first season with the franchise in 2017.

    “He’s helped me out a lot — just in the huddle. Since I’m going and I’m already in the huddle with him, he kinda just says ‘hey, remember this’ or gives me little tips,” Lawler said. “So, he’s been a huge help, just kinda having someone in my pocket to go to on the field.”

    And while it may seem daunting to be competing with and against some of the club’s top players, Lawler believes he is up for the challenge. The outside linebacker said he is happy to be “thrown into the fire” early on, recognizing that it will only help him down the line.

    “That’s the good thing is I’m seeing it now. I’m making mistakes, but I’m trying not to make the same one twice and so it’s good to see it,” Lawler said. “I’m asking them to be patient with me as I pick up the defense, but it’s going well. I’m just getting better everyday, that’s my goal.”

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    Billy: As far as patients losing their doctors I’m not arguing their fears are well founded. I’m just saying they have such fears.

    “Science tells us we’re born with an innate sense of fairness and a desire to share, as studies of small children show again and again.”

    I think that misses my point Billy. Lets even assume that those studies are valid the problem comes when the so called “innate sense of fairness” becomes “unlearned”. Simply put its up to the parent to protect that “innate” sense of fairness and not destroy it. You and I probably know well meaning parents who object to soccer “participating trophies” for young children. The message repeated over and over becomes “its all about you not others”. Its the “show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser” mentality. Take and take because it belongs to you not others. I think in today’s society children as they grow lose sight of the “others”. I guess my point was not so much how one is born but how one learns or “unlearns” as they grow up-which has nothing to do with the form of government or the left or the right. The small puppy you take home is cuddly, sweet, nice and totally loves you and is dependent on you. But you put that sweet puppy in a cage and beat the shit out of the animal day after day after day. On day you reach in to the cage to feed it and he will bite you. Maybe that’s closer to my point.

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    “So why do so many folks think this disgusting health-care system is just fine and dandy?”

    I don’t know. Sometimes I think we look at everything from a political view when stuff can be fairly simple. IMO “so many folks” have their own physician that they favor for a variety of reasons. So the mention of single payer or universal care causes anxiety over the prospect of losing that personal relationship with their doc. I don’t think it has much to do with the bad guys propagandizing the good guys as much as we want it to.

    As far as being selfish I again don’t think the bad guys have caused this. We are born selfish. The baby cries cause he or she wants something. Gimme gimme gimme-until they get it. As the baby gets older the movies, television, etc tells the individual its OK to “gather” stuff and it becomes a matter of entitlement and “what’s in it for me”. The key to having a more compassionate society is to “learn” how to be unselfish. The only way I know how that can be done is through parenting. And good luck with that. But the first thing that needs to be done is to stop blaming big government and the politics for all that ails us. That’s simply an easy answer. The difficult one is how to teach a parent who has been raised with a sense of entitlement to reverse that in their children. And that’s difficult because to do that one has to lead by example. But that’s hard as most of us would rather sit back and say its the smelly leftists or the reactionary right wing or capitalism or corporations or this or that -when the real answer is within themselves. Any change in the form of government or its leaders won’t matter a lick if the “people” have no sense of empathy toward those of less fortune.

    Now enough of my soap box theories.

    Waterfield,

    A Single Payer system won’t take doctors away from patients. Quite the opposite. It will ensure they can continue to see them, while private insurance company after private insurance company says no to their claims.

    And, no, we’re not born “selfish.” Science tells us we’re born with an innate sense of fairness and a desire to share, as studies of small children show again and again. Kids will loudly insist that toys and food are shared equally, and they actually have been observed getting angry when this is not the case.

    This is later beaten out of us via propaganda from above that it’s a dog eat dog world and that we must compete to survive. But that’s just cover for the tiny percentage of humanity that truly is “born selfish” and acts on that. And let’s not forget, locked as we are in a Eurocentric, capitalist mindset, that for our first 300,000 years on this planet, we lived communally, cooperatively, shared pretty much everything. This lasted in some parts of the world well into the 20th century too.

    Btw, babies are born helpless and with the instinct for survival. Of course they’re gonna call for attention and nourishment. Selfishness? No. That’s just the will to survive and the almost instantaneous realization of helplessness and dependency. “Gimme gimme gimme” means “I want to live!”

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