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March 18, 2019 at 7:24 pm #99066znModerator
From Facebook:
Jane: this isn’t a random, innocuous statement. It’s racist code.
David: Its racist CODE??? What is wrong with You?
Jane: This phrase has circulated in white supremacist and neo Nazi websites and subreddits since the early 2000s. It’s calculated to seem harmless to normal people who don’t hang out on 4chan spouting racist remarks. On the surface, there is not much to argue about, since obviously no white person had a say in being white or not. Posters with it started turning up in college campuses in late 2017 with the express intention of trolling liberal college students into responding, such as by calling it racist. But it was started by racists with the goal of discrediting anyone who criticized and, more to the point, normalizing a white supremacist meme. You can see how successful this tactic has been if you read the New Zealand shooter’s “manifesto,” which incorporates memes like this alongside more explicit racist statements. Again, the goal is to normalize attitudes most people would otherwise reject. Pictures like this come across people’s Facebook, Twitter, and instagram feed, and a lot of people have the reaction you do. What’s the big deal? And then share it.
David: I’ve had a damn GUT FULL of this pure bull shit. Daily.
Jane: No that’s not the point. The statement itself is harmless, but it doesn’t exist by itself, but as part of a larger culture of such statements. This one can be traced directly to a subreddit conversation about convincing other people to buy in. Most people who read and share this online don’t think much about it and certainly don’t identify as white supremacists, but they are sharing white supremacist content.
The upshot is that the movement has a bigger online footprint than it would otherwise. The shooter’s manifesto included a series of in jokes for the amusement of others who hang out in these Internet forums and recognized them. This is what I mean by code. We have to get past everyone thinking that talking about race means you’re being called racist. You’re not, but we all need to see how these tropes are being used, because we have multiple examples now of people using them as they are shooting others.
Me: My compadres and allies in spirit all know this but for the sake of those who still have doubts, here goes. Hazarding an analogy, imagine I am out in public with my daughters, and some guy says something harassing and sexist to them. They comment on how ugly the remark was and offer some observations about who would say such a thing and why. Then imagine I rebuke them by saying, you know it’s okay to be male. My daughters being who they are would of course point out that “it’s okay to be male” is a non sequitur, relevant to nothing. IE no one is going around saying it’s not okay to be white. Context and the origins of this meme aside, proclaiming it’s okay to be white is a defensive non sequitur responding to criticisms and protests aimed at existing racism. The issue with a white racist is not being white per se, it’s being racist.
March 18, 2019 at 7:39 pm #99067ZooeyModeratorRight. The second I saw that, I thought, “Who said it wasn’t?”
It’s a straw man. Nobody ever said it isn’t okay to be white. It’s a statement calculated to make it look like white people are on the defensive. They are being victimized because of their race.
March 19, 2019 at 3:25 pm #99093joemadParticipantMohan Sudabattula, a senior at the University of Utah, shows posters he found on campus from the white nationalist group Patriot Front.
White Nationalist Groups Increase Recruiting And Propaganda Across The West
March 19, 2019·12:08 PM ET
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Authorities are looking into whether the suspect in last week’s terror attack on two mosques in New Zealand was inspired by an emerging, European-based breed of white nationalism. The identitarian movement, formed in France in 2016, broadly believes that white people in Europe and North America are being displaced by non-European immigrants.
Over the past few months, groups affiliated with similar ideas have protested and put up posters across college campuses in California, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado and Montana. Their members are mostly anonymous, and they espouse racism and hate online.
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University of Utah senior Mohan Sudabattula recently found white nationalist posters hanging from the side of the art building on campus. The first-generation son of immigrants from southeastern India was surprised but not shocked. He had seen similar posters — the red, white and blue lettering — popping up all over campus.
Sudabattula snapped a couple of pictures and sent them to friends. Then he tore the posters down and stuffed them in his pockets.
When he got home he hid them in a dorm bathroom cabinet for a week, until he agreed to show three to a reporter.
The posters were from a white nationalist group called Patriot Front. Sudabattula shuffled them in his hands. One had a map of the United States on it with the words “Not Stolen, Conquered.”
The slogan suggests a reference to America’s complicated history of breaking treaties and taking land from indigenous people. The other slogans are more vague.
“The posters are pretty clever with their wording,” Sudabattula said. “They don’t really come off as harmful right out of the gate. But then you go online and the manifesto is a direct call to action against people of color.”
Founded two years ago in the aftermath of the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va., Patriot Front has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of a handful of organizations nationwide that tracks such organizations. According to a new report from the center, white nationalist groups such as Patriot Group are on the rise across the country.
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In recent months, campuses across the west — including the University of Montana, the University of Utah and the University of Denver — have seen a rash of pamphleting, protesting and recruiting efforts by Patriot Front and another white nationalist group, Identity Evropa — recently rebranded as the American Identity Movement. Across the country, the Anti-Defamation League says protests and posterings increased by more than 180 percent in 2018. Universities have condemned their actions.
“These cowardly, faceless and non-university sanctioned tactics are designed to disrupt and frighten individuals and communities, and to garner attention for an insidious ideology that has no place on our campus or in our community,” University of Utah president Ruth V. Watkins said in a statement released in January.
But that attention also seems to spur these groups.
“I’m loving the tears over our latest activism in Utah, but it’s odd because most actions — even those that receive mainstream media coverage — rarely generate this much outrage,” Patrick Casey, executive director of Identity Evropa, wrote in a tweet. “I suppose that means we’ll have to ramp things up in Utah!”
Richard Medina, a geography professor at the University of Utah, believes Identity Evropa and Patriot Front are coming to the mountain west because, while the region is predominantly white, it has a growing Latino and immigrant population.
“They’re focused on the Rocky Mountain region because there’s a lot of change going on,” said Medina, a co-author of a recent study on the geography of hate groups. “Like a lot of these groups, their main motivation is, in some ways, a resistance to change.”
“They’re reframing themselves as victims,” Medina added. “It’s working, sometimes, for young white kids who feel victimized in a lot of other ways. It gives them a group to feel welcomed in.”
Questionable tactics
Patriot Front and Identity Evropa have their roots in the far-right, white nationalist movement known as the identitarian movement that has spread throughout Europe and into the United States. The movement frames changing demographics from immigration as white genocide.
“These people see themselves as victims and that the whole European, white culture and ethnicity is going to go away,” he said.
Medina isn’t sure whether the recruiting tactics at the region’s college campuses will work, though.
“I think they’ve come here because they see some opportunity,” he said. “Whether or not they believe they can recruit some members or whether they can get a message to people that they believe are like-minded, I’m not sure.”
A familiar sense of racism
For Sudabattula, these hate groups might be new to the region, but the racism feels familiar. When he was young, his family lived in Kentucky for a time in the immediate years after the Sept. 11 attacks.
“Things started to get a little stressful at school. My dad was experiencing some workplace hostility,” he said.
To leave that environment, the family moved to a Salt Lake City suburb, to a state that prides itself on being friendly to immigrants and refugees. But even there, he said, some white people he met were tone-deaf.
“‘You’re like the coolest Indian I know,’ implying that everyone else is odd or unusual,” Sudabattula recalled what some would tell him. “Or, ‘Oh, I love your people, your country. I served a mission out there.'”
He says it was subtle and sometimes unintentional — like a little ember of racism in a fire pit. Now Sudabattula believes white nationalists are coming to the west to blow on that ember.
“You have a bunch of people who are now trying to approach passive white folks and they’re basically saying, ‘Look: We all agree on the same thing. We think that minorities are different. But we don’t have to cater to their needs anymore. This is our home and they are coming here,’ ” he said.
Sudabattula said the rise in hate here is scary, and that it’s up to white people in the region to step up and take action.
“At the end of the day, the hate groups look like my friends,” he said. “And my friends, I think, are in a different position to say something.”
This story was produced by the Mountain West News Bureau, a collaboration between Wyoming Public Media, Boise State Public Radio in Idaho, KUER in Salt Lake City and KRCC and KUNC in Colorado.
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