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  • #98146
    wv
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    I aint crazy about his foreign policy in general, but he’s better than Trump.

    #98156
    JackPMiller
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    I like Bernie, but I don’t see him coming out of the list of Democrats. I don’t see Biden or Beto winning either the democratic nomination either. Kamala Harris is the one to keep an eye on. I feel she is the legit favorite, along with Sherrod Brown and Amy Klobuchar. A Kamala Harris/Amy Klobuchar ticket would scare Trump.

    #98165
    wv
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    #98173
    Zooey
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    Prognosticating…

    Bernie disrupted Democrats. There are 204 candidates running now, and they are all taking planks from Bernie.

    But…there’s Bernie.

    So…why vote for an Imitation Bernie when there’s Bernie?

    The only reason to do that is that you think Bernie is Too Radical, and you want Bernie Lite because you fear Bernie is too radical. Or you like the Radical, but think somebody else is a better Bernie than Bernie is.

    Of the Bernie Lite candidates, Warren has the best credentials. That is to say that every other candidate has moved Left from their own historical record. Warren is who she is. Bernie Lite. Everyone else is pretending to be Warren, basically. Warren is who she is…she’s never faked it. She is a liberal Democrat. Booker, Harris, Gillebrand, and the other 199 candidates are all pretending to be liberal Democrats, but all of them have voting records that prove they aren’t, or just “saw the light.” So there is Bernie, and everybody competing to compete against Bernie. And of all of those, I think Warren has the most street cred.

    But she isn’t going to light a fire under enough people, though. She’s professorial…which I don’t care about, but other people do. She will fire up a bunch of women who still have their knickers in a twist because they think Bernie and the Male Bastards killed off St. Hillary, but that just isn’t going to be enough, imo. She will contend, but the passionate, get-off-the-butt, door-to-door passion is still behind Bernie. It just is.

    Harris is formidable. I’d hire her as my personal lawyer in a second. She’s smart, and tough as nails. But her record is compromised, and she and Warren will split the women vote for long enough for Sanders to take the lead in delegates.

    Biden can screw it all up if he enters, but I think the energy of the Democrat party has moved away from the Old Answers, and Biden epitomizes that. His opportunity was 2016, and he sat it out.

    Bernie already did this. He learned from his previous run, and he just doesn’t get drawn into the bullshit stuff. He stays on message. And they aren’t going to be able to dig up anything on him that is new. He already weathered the only semi-scandal they could find about his wife, and I just don’t think dirt will stick to him. They can attack him on Age, but he could kick Trump’s ass in a one-on-one athletic match of any kind, so there just isn’t anything there that is going to stick, I don’t think.

    I think he has to be the favorite for the nomination in spite of the pissed-off-Hillary types. There will be noise. There will be ugliness. But he has the passion and the numbers, I believe.

    So I think Bernie Sanders…who is SO far to the Left that he is practically Dwight Eisenhower…is the likely nominee.

    One other thing. I have noticed a Hegelian dialectic with presidents. Seems to me Americans tend to vote for a President who is strong where the previous president was weak. Trump’s biggest apparent weakness is he is completely full of shit. I think everybody sees that. Bernie has authenticity up the wazoo. He is constitutionally unable to lie. He has been consistent for 40 years, or more. He’s just honest. If nothing else. And I think that’s where voters will ultimate lean.

    #98177
    wv
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    Ive noticed when the usual-tv-comedians (colbert, trevor, etc) show graphics on the Dem field of candidates — they always have K.Harris in the center and in front. Not surprising. The new Hillary. The choice of the
    powers that be.
    Kinda like Chalabi.

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    #98181
    Billy_T
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    So I think Bernie Sanders…who is SO far to the Left that he is practically Dwight Eisenhower…is the likely nominee.

    I like that. It’s amazing, isn’t it? AOC is calling for 70% on money made above 10 million. Ike had a top rate of 91% on money made above 200K. Of course, that’s likely in the millions after inflation by now, though it’s pretty difficult to make exact translations between 1960 and today. But his top rate was higher, regardless. AOC’s proposal supposedly makes her a “commie.”

    Sheesh.

    Another irony. Warren used to be a Republican.

    Agree about the Hegelian dialect thing too. Though I wonder how that will impact 2020, exactly. I knew, for instance, before the 2016 election, that it was madness to run another Clinton, a dynasty candidate, the insider’s insider, when the electorate was in such an anti-establishment mood. Well, that is, anti-establishment for Americans, which usually just means voting for yet another elite/member of the ruling class, etc. So will they be pining for one of the old guard to make them feel comfortable again after the madness of Trump?

    #98183
    Zooey
    Moderator

    Agree about the Hegelian dialect thing too. Though I wonder how that will impact 2020, exactly. I knew, for instance, before the 2016 election, that it was madness to run another Clinton, a dynasty candidate, the insider’s insider, when the electorate was in such an anti-establishment mood. Well, that is, anti-establishment for Americans, which usually just means voting for yet another elite/member of the ruling class, etc. So will they be pining for one of the old guard to make them feel comfortable again after the madness of Trump?

    That struck me as the other dialectical outcome, but I am all but ruling that out (pending a response to Biden, but…) because the one pulse right now that is beating the most strongly in this country is complete irritation with the awareness that the government is not representing us. That transcends party affiliation, and that is where the greatest animus is. I think we are in a pivot point in the US, and that pivot is between total authoritarianism and a jerk back towards democracy. I don’t see Status Quo of Politicians Pretending to be Of The People as an outcome. I really don’t. I think Biden would get a ton of money and media backing and fizzle. I don’t think the choice is between Trump and What We Had. It’s a choice between Trump and What People Want.

    That’s the way I see it.

    And I would suggest that that’s the way the Democrat Party sees it too, or else we wouldn’t have 203 Democrats suddenly pretending to care about people.

    #98184
    zn
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    #98189
    JackPMiller
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    It is not always about money. It is about votes.

    #98191
    joemad
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    The only reason to do that is that you think Bernie is Too Radical, and you want Bernie Lite because you fear Bernie is too radical. Or you like the Radical, but think somebody else is a better Bernie than Bernie is.

    You missed one… people think he’s too old…. and he kind of is…. 77

    and that’s too bad

    #98199
    Zooey
    Moderator

    The only reason to do that is that you think Bernie is Too Radical, and you want Bernie Lite because you fear Bernie is too radical. Or you like the Radical, but think somebody else is a better Bernie than Bernie is.

    You missed one… people think he’s too old…. and he kind of is…. 77

    and that’s too bad

    I think his age is only going to matter to people who don’t want him to win, anyway. People who support Sanders can see he is in pretty good shape. I think 80 is the new 70, anyway, personally. My dad is 90, and he’s still going strong.

    Meanwhile…this is from Daily Kos, apparently. I would think they must be having shit fits over there. I may have to go peek in on them to see how they are handling the news.

    #98259
    wv
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    Ronda rousey supports Bernie.

    #98276
    JackPMiller
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    The only reason to do that is that you think Bernie is Too Radical, and you want Bernie Lite because you fear Bernie is too radical. Or you like the Radical, but think somebody else is a better Bernie than Bernie is.

    You missed one… people think he’s too old…. and he kind of is…. 77

    and that’s too bad

    Actually he will be 80 if he wins. Same goes with Joe Biden if he enters and wins in 2020 as well.

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